BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:34 AM

The term boutique Christian springs to mind once again.

Then you are ignorant Dave. Sorry.
Mortal sin has to be grave and committed out of malice.

Neither masturbation nor sex outside marriage can be so described.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:36 AM

"No more to say on the matter." - gnome

Would that that were true but we all know unfortunately that it won't be.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 04:57 AM

"Tell me Shaw, Stu, Carroll what percentage of you yearly income do you give to charity?"
I'll deal fully with this pathetically desperate resorting to a pissing contest on charity later this afternoon
When a society has to resort to charity as part of it's economy it is a sign that it has failed and is no longer fit for purpose
Your failure to respond to the corruption by the wealthy in paying taxes means you are in favour of it - but you've already told us that
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 05:01 AM

Tezza - how much do you give?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 05:41 AM

"the corruption by the wealthy in paying taxes"

But Jom the top 1% of earners in the UK pay an astonishing percentage of the Inland Revenue's tax haul. By the way Jom how are the wealthy corrupted by paying tax?

Do you mean the tax avoidance schemes used by footballers, comedians, "so-called" celebrities and pop stars?

How much do I give Stu?

I sponsor six children in four different third world countries and will continue to do so until they all reach their respective 18th birthdays I have done that now for the past six years, which comes out at around £3,600 per year. In addition to that I support various other charities associated with MND and Cancer via standing orders and the Woodland Trust.

I get regular updates on the progress of the children along with letters and photographs from them - I can see in my retirement what my "excess money" is doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 05:49 AM

"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." [Matthew 6 1-4]

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Stu
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 07:36 AM

Well, colour me impressed Tezza! Good on you for putting your money where your mouth is. I always knew you had a heart ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 07:38 AM

A question was asked, a response was given. What point are you trying to make Shaw? You are proud to make a case that you are no longer a catholic, yet you quote bible verses. What is the point of that?
Are you ashamed that you do not make charitable donations or are you trying to make a big issue out of some one's honest reply to a question? Rather indicates what sort of person you are, does it not?

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 08:06 AM

The devil can quote Scripture for his purpose
That Bill Shakespeare had a suitable quote for (nearly) all occasions.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:21 AM

I have no idea whether his reply is honest or not and I'm not really interested. He certainly doesn't seem to care much about the kids of the poorest people in THIS country, accusing their parents of parasitising the rest of us by living on "handouts" and suggesting that they shouldn't even have had those children. And you will never have the remotest idea about my position regarding "charitable donations." I may not be a regular bible thumper but that's one bit that I do happen to agree with wholeheartedly. This whole section of the thread is the most infantile thing of the many infantile things I've seen on this forum. Playing one-upmanship about one's "charitable donations" is just about as laughable as it gets. Pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:22 AM

Nigel Parsons. I think some of the twists and turns of the threads here would even make the mighty bard run for cover.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:39 AM

Iains:

There is a tide in the affairs of men. Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; Omitted, all the voyage of their life. Is bound in shallows and in miseries (Brutus in Jeremy Corbyn Julius Caesar).

So grab opportunities (such as Brexit) at the right time, when available.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Iains
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 09:45 AM

I am deeply impressed! well quoted sir.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 10:11 AM

Well Brutus helped to murder Caesar, was driven out of Rome branded a murderer, got enmeshed in the ensuing civil war and was defeated in battle alongside his co-conspirator Cassius and killed himself, all within three years of his grabbing of that flood tide in search of fortune that your quote referred to. A good quote all right (it was the play I did for my Eng Lit 'O' Level), but it all led to the sort of outcome we can cheerfully expect from brexit. Disaster, in other words. Happy to finish the tale for you, Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Jacob Rees Mogg.
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Sep 17 - 10:48 AM

Well Shaw I suppose it all depends on how you view children doesn't it.

I see once again you yammer on about "the poorest in the land" - poverty doesn't enter into it as far as child benefit goes - it is one of those "universal" benefits.

One way of viewing children by young teenage girls at one time was if you got yourself pregnant and had the sprog you could then play the system to get the points needed to get a flat where you and your mates could hang out. No real interest in the child and the child grows up deprived in a single parent "home".

Personal responsibility Shaw something you should have instilled in the students you taught. Shudder to think what it was they took away from school having been under your tutelage.