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Lillian bilocca

GUEST,buspassed 14 Sep 17 - 02:54 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 14 Sep 17 - 07:42 PM
Dave Hanson 15 Sep 17 - 03:27 AM
GUEST,Brimbacombe 15 Sep 17 - 05:23 AM
Steve Gardham 15 Sep 17 - 03:01 PM
GUEST,Malcolm Storey 15 Sep 17 - 08:30 PM
GUEST,buspassed 16 Sep 17 - 06:46 AM
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Subject: Lillian bilocca
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 14 Sep 17 - 02:54 PM

Having failed to obtain a ticket for the forthcoming drama about Lillian Billoca ,a formidable woman who organised a group of women in Hull after three trawlers were lost off Iceland in the winter of '68 to confront the trawler owners over the total disregard for their employees health and safety,I read the Hull Year of Culture publicity material to discover that the Unthanks were supplying the music. So what's happened to the Waterson:Carthy family? Did they turn the gig down? Anybody know the reason for the family being overlooked?


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Subject: RE: Lillian bilocca
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 14 Sep 17 - 07:42 PM

Some Hullites such as myself might ask the same question.

There could be the possibility that the Waterson Family have not been resident in Hull for about forty years and maybe they were not asked.

I would struggle to suggest anyone locally who might have been able to fill the bill and then of course there is showbiz, which I don't even try to understand.

Sufficient be it that Big Lil and her counterparts are being acknowledged.

Now for the deathly silence that usually follows one of my infrequent postings.


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Subject: RE: Lillian bilocca
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Sep 17 - 03:27 AM

The Waterson family may not have been residents of Hull for forty years but The Unthanks [ as much as I like them ] have NEVER been residents of Hull.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Lillian bilocca
From: GUEST,Brimbacombe
Date: 15 Sep 17 - 05:23 AM

If you follow Eliza on Twitter (and I do believe that Eliza and much of her Waterson/Carthy generation have never actually lived in Hull, although they obviously have parental ties with the city) you'll have seen that she's been involved with the City of Culture celebrations in other ways. I've no idea why they weren't used for this, however.


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Subject: RE: Lillian bilocca
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 15 Sep 17 - 03:01 PM

I don't think anyone in this new production has anything to do with Hull, least of all the writer. They just spotted a good story and jumped on the bandwagon. There are already several excellent Hull productions currently on the go in the city including or based on Big Lil's story. It's a free country however, and Hull doesn't have a monopoly on its own heritage. I shall be supporting the other production at Hull Truck which includes some of the women who fought with Lil.


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Subject: RE: Lillian bilocca
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey
Date: 15 Sep 17 - 08:30 PM

Eliza is very busy so may well have been offered something and declined.

Steve - good on you - is still resident and although I am only less than thirty miles away these days I find it increasingly difficult to get across more than a few times each year (as my children and grandchildren will testify) due to the commitments brought on by retirement.

I know we were all extremely proud at the time that Lil and her friends were getting stuck in to the vested interests and self seeking politicians.

We could do with a lot more of their kind - even more so now where so much of the work for the common good is being constantly eroded by those self same parasites that seek to rule us - and don't get me started on the legal profession!

Soap box retired for the night - sleep well all.


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Subject: RE: Lillian bilocca
From: GUEST,buspassed
Date: 16 Sep 17 - 06:46 AM

I left Hull two weeks after the third trawler was lost so I've been in exile in London some fifty years come next February. Always remember that bus ride from North Hull to Paragon, foggy and getting dark around 2pm like the whole town was wrapped in a shroud and the grief was there on the streets, people comforting others.

Saddest of times but thankfully things have bucked up, this years Culture Fest has been gobsmacking, we've been back four times this year [that's 204 return trips, about 100,000 miles since '68. Anybody top that?] I do seem to remember though that certain members of the fishing community were not happy with Big Lill's activities and she and members of her group were abused verbally and a couple times physically for involving themselves in 'men's business'. She was proved right in the end of course, I think she died before the final struggle with the Trawler owners over their refusal to make redundancy payments as the crews were seen to be self employed!

It's been nice doing business on you!

I shall now go and play '3 day Millionaire' very very loud!


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