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Three reactions to Morris dance

GUEST,Derrick 21 Sep 17 - 12:09 PM
GUEST,Wireharp 21 Sep 17 - 01:04 PM
GUEST,bignige 21 Sep 17 - 01:35 PM
Dave the Gnome 21 Sep 17 - 01:43 PM
Brian Peters 21 Sep 17 - 02:21 PM
GUEST 21 Sep 17 - 10:40 PM
rich-joy 22 Sep 17 - 12:03 AM
BobL 22 Sep 17 - 04:07 AM
GUEST,Mike Yates 22 Sep 17 - 05:04 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Sep 17 - 05:41 AM
DMcG 22 Sep 17 - 12:36 PM
selby 22 Sep 17 - 01:14 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Sep 17 - 06:13 PM
rich-joy 22 Sep 17 - 07:10 PM
Jack Campin 22 Sep 17 - 07:23 PM
Dave the Gnome 24 Sep 17 - 03:20 AM
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Subject: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 12:09 PM

Three tribes from different parts of the world were shown BBC film of Morris dancers,this clip shows their reactions.

Rather a long address but works using copy and paste


http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05fz4bsintc_type=singletheme&intc_location=bbctwo&intc_campaign=bbctwohighlights&intc_linkname=vidclip_tribereaction_contentcard14


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: GUEST,Wireharp
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 01:04 PM

"We should be migrating... but we'ew watching TV"
Got to love it!


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: GUEST,bignige
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 01:35 PM

I have long suspected that many Morris traditions are made up, would that be right?


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 01:43 PM

I posted the link on the 'What defines the English' thread as well. But as that has now been closed for bad behaviour I am pleased this one carries it as well.

I did think they could have picked a more spectacular dance but the reactions were still interesting and made a pleasant change from the piss-takes our own media fall back on with English traditions.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: Brian Peters
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 02:21 PM

Enjoyed that and agree with DtG.

"I have long suspected that many Morris traditions are made up, would that be right?"

Yep, somebody definitely made them up at some point in history.


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Sep 17 - 10:40 PM

That was great!!

Whilst on the subject of Morris far from home, how about this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=597ZE3rhfoI

This dance/these costumes seem to me to have things in common with western european Morris dancing!!!

Molinopampa - Peru (Chachapoya)

" Ancash Quenquen, danza típica molinopampina (cultura Chachapoya) "


"The Chachapoyas, also called the "Warriors of the Clouds", was a culture of Andes living in the cloud forests of the Amazonas Region of present-day Peru. The Inca Empire conquered their civilization shortly before the Spanish conquest in the 16th century. At the time of the arrival of the conquistadors, the Chachapoyas were one of the many nations ruled by the Incas, although their incorporation had been difficult due to their constant resistance to Inca troops." WIKI



and still on the subject of non-England Morris :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwXits7B5y8

Early American Morris

from 2013, but no comments yet about who when where - or even what the dances are!

Cheers!
R-J


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: rich-joy
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 12:03 AM

That GUEST at 10.40pm was me -
had a lot of trouble re-setting my Cookie ...........
Chiz!
Rich-Joy


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: BobL
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 04:07 AM

Those are extremely interesting. Personally, out of polite interest I would also like to see the traditional dances of the viewers' cultures.

As regards the Peruvian dancers, I can think of some festivals in England where they would be a lot more welcome than the amplified pan-pipe merchants that occasionally intrude.

The American movie is described as "probably East Coast USA, almost certainly pre WWII, perhaps as early as the 1920s." Well, the CDSS was founded in 1915, inspired by Sharp's work, so maybe we are seeing the fruits of the enthusiasm which fired the first members. Technical details about the film might give a few clues: safety film (better for archiving than inflammable nitrate), and the 16mm format, were introduced in the 1920s for example.


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 05:04 AM

Dave the Gnome mentions the "Englishness" thread which he started and which was removed for "bad behaviour". The thread was removed shortly after I added my pennyworth, and I wonder if this was what caused the removal. If so, then somebody totally misread what I was saying. In this day and age it is wrong, I believe, to think of "Englishness" in terms of Morris Dancing and Maypoles. We are now a multi-cultural society which I, for one, applaud and most of us have moved on from images of "merry England". In my comment I mentioned various restaurants which can be found in any English town - Indian, Chinese, Thai etc. and I wonder if this caused somebody to think that I was being "racist". If so, then they were wrong. I love the fact that today in England I can eat food from all over the world, can watch films that have been made anywhere, can listen to so-called "world" music, can visit art exhibitions of "world" art, etc. etc. Let me repeat, this is happening in England today. This is what makes us English today. And the country is a better place for it.


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 05:41 AM

I am sure it wasn't your contribution, Mike. I said something similar a lot earlier.

DtG


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 12:36 PM

Near Quito there is a monument which is more or less at the Equator ("About 15 miles north of Quito, a yellow line representing the Equator runs up a long, regal walkway to the base of the Mitad del Mundo monument, built in 1979. The thing is, they built the structure several hundred feet south of the true Equator") There are some 10 floors with goods and models of various cultural artifacts. I noticed a little model some 20cm high that was very like an English maypole dance, with the costumes more or less those of morris dancers.


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: selby
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 01:14 PM

Sorry for thread creep


The Englishness thread was mine I inadvertently posted it originally above the line with my cookie not reset therefore as a guest it was removed because it was believed to be right wing after a couple of e mails I reposted with my name and it stayed I do not know why it was removed again as the usual subjects where doing what they do best but hey ho.
Keith


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 06:13 PM

I never thought the Englishness thread was right wing, Keith, and I do not think anyone sensible did. The fact that some right wing nutters hijacked it was unfortunate but, sadly, a fact of life here nowadays.

DtG


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: rich-joy
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 07:10 PM

That's very interesting DMcG, about the QUITO dance artifact.

I notice there are a number of clips on YouTube where the men of GOA in India dance the "Maypole", with intertwining ribbons - don't know how long they've been doing that (i.e. was it a British introduced thing, or an earlier tradition.....)

Cheers,
R-J


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Sep 17 - 07:23 PM

There do seem to be maypole dances in Portugal, perhaps that was how they got to Goa.


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Subject: RE: Three reactions to Morris dance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Sep 17 - 03:20 AM

One more reason that The Sun "newpaper" should only be used for wiping your bum! Did they actualy watch the same clips?

"Tribes from around the world are filmed bursting into fits of laughter when they are shown Morris dancing the first time." Where did that happen? Where did "Pals from Solomon Islands burst into hysterics when they watch Morris dancing for the first time"? Blatant example of the news not being what people expect so they make it up!

DtG


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