BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:13 AM

Steve Shaw:
First you describe Fallon as a 'Tit fondler'

Then I point out that he only touched a journalist?s knee.

You then claim she was bending to tie her shoelace at the time (presumably to try to claim that his hand may have come into contact with her tit)

When queried on the veracity of this you decide to withdraw into your shell.

I take it then that you withdraw your original claim of Fallon being a 'tit fondler'.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:28 AM

Could you please take this discussion to the thread Sexual Misdemeanours that I opened SPECIFICALLY so this thread was not cluttered up with such posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:43 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:28 AM
Could you please take this discussion to the thread Sexual Misdemeanours that I opened SPECIFICALLY so this thread was not cluttered up with such posts.

Thank you for that polite request.

NO!

This particular discussion was a direct response to a comment made by Steve Shaw:
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 07:08 PM
Patel, liar. Fallon, tit fondler. Johnson, fat buffoon who has threatened the prospects of a Brit jailed in Iran by shooting his silly mouth off. May's second-in-command a hardcore porn addict, even at work. No discipline whatsoever. Not a dickie bird about brexit for about a week or more.,
and so is pertinent to this discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:11 AM

That's you told, Raggytash! 😂😂😂

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:35 AM

No Nigel

It is based on allegations made against the former defence secretary and I opened a thread SPECICALLY to deal with such.

It matters not one jot who brought it up here, but it has no place here.

We are supposed to be adults so saying "please Miss he started it" doesn't wash.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 02:39 PM

So Priti Patel has "resigned." Took long enough, didn't it! I strongly suspect that she didn't even know that the UK doesn't recognise Israel's occupation of a piece of Syria. What she was trying to do secretly was constitutionally impossible, so what was all that about! Now May has another militant brexiteer on the back benches. So we've had Priti, we've had tax-dodging on a monumental scale and we've had institutionalised groping and internet porn-at-work for Theresa's second-in-command (or shall we be charitable and assume that he's given it up?) It's even been suggested that one poor young woman in question can't tell the difference between a dangling tablecloth and a mauler's hand, m'lud!

So what's today's brexit news? Oh, I almost forgot, what with being swamped by these massive diversions, that we're supposed to be leaving the EU and that this distracted and undisciplined shower are in charge of getting us "a deal." If you want to hear about just one of the horrible messes we're in, listen to Radio 4's "Brexit for the Confused" broadcast today. Jesus, we're in deep doodah. Neck bloody deep in the Big Muddy.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 02:44 PM

Personally I think she should have been sacked rather being allowed to resign. Your views may differ.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 04:25 PM

Desperation, oh you know Brexit'll drive you crazy
Your pain makes you hazy and you are lazy at home
And freedom, oh freedom, that's just Labour talkin'
Your prison is walking through this world all alone
Its always rainin but there there's a rainbow above you
just open the gate and let Europe love you again.

excuse me I left the oven on

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 04:31 PM

Not sure which planet your on Donuel, but I'm fairly sure it isn't the same as mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 05:55 PM

She wasn't "sacked" (she was, actually) because a sacked cabinet minister, a bitter brexiteer, which is what Patel is, would be a far worse backbench presence than someone who had just resigned. The whole thing is a shambles, one which none of us should take any pleasure in. A hundred years from now, children in schools will be taught that this was the most shambolic, undisciplined, divided, chaotic and disastrous government that this country has ever endured. If we can actually afford to run any schools by then, that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:18 PM

Broadly, my problem with the resignation is that she has lost the job but is otherwise unscathed. Had she been sacked it would be far harder to give her another cabinet job when the next leader arrives, or a committee chair now, or, come the next election, just automatically reselect her. Those are all things that affect her. Losing this post is by comparison small beer.

And this is not vindictiveness but an attempt to treat the disregard of Parliamentary seriously.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:42 PM

I strongly suspect that she didn't even know that the UK doesn't recognise Israel's occupation of a piece of Syria.

It had nothing to do with Israel's annexation of the Golan Heights which is legal when taken in a defensive war for defensive purposes. It was discussions to provide financial aid to the IDF for the treatment of casualties of the Syrian war, a service which they have provided to thousands of victims from all sides in the conflict.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 07:41 PM

Nothing to do with it. Check it out. There is no way under UK law/constitution that aid could be given to an army in occupation of a territory whose occupation we don't recognise. That's not me saying that. That's how it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 07:52 PM

The meetings centered on funding humanitarian aid being provided by the IDF medical corps to victims of the Syrian conflict. The victims are taken to hospitals in Israel where they receive first class medical treatment at no charge. Whether the UK chooses to recognize the legal annexation or not is irrelevant to the victims but hey, let's not pass up any opportunity to demonize Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 07:58 PM

This is not about demonising Israel. It's about the FACT that the UK does not allow aid to go to armies that are occupying territories in occupations that it does not recognise, either in law or in constitution. Do let us know what your problem is with that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:07 PM

Any problem with UK financing "Palestinian" terrorism?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:25 PM

Sir @EricPickles on Priti Patel: "I cannot imagine there would be this kind of fuss if she had met various people of influence in Belgium, if that is not a contradiction in terms"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:42 PM

Would everyone please ignore the addled Ur-Troll Boo-Bad and his predictable Israel bullshit before this thread goes down the drain?

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:46 PM

Yeah, well Eric is about the biggest (and fattest) twat in the UK. Ask anyone in Bude who will tell you that he wouldn't understand democracy if it reared up and bit him on one or two of his exceptionally ample bottoms. Also, bobad, in UK politics he's yesterday's man big time. Even the Tories are embarrassed by him. Do try to keep up.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:56 PM

Bobad is "commenting" (in his usual bigoted way) on issues that we can't help. It's dead simple. We don't recognise the occupation of the Golan Heights. As such, we can't give aid to the occupying power. That is not my opinion, not anybody's opinion. That's the way it is. I can't do anything about it, Eric fatty Pickles can't do anything about it, and Priti Patel has, belatedly, realised that she can't do anything about it. There is simply no mudcattiferous point to make on the matter. No doubt boobs will keep trying. Maybe he should start another thread on it if he feels so miffed.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 03:58 AM

Nigel Farage walks into a bar, and up to the landlord, who is serving.
Nigel : Pint of best bitter please?
Landlord: That'll be three pounds twenty.
Money & beer change hands and Nigel moves aside to allow room for more customers.

Jeremy Corbyn walks in, and approaches the landlord:
Jeremy: I'll have a pint please?
Landlord: Five pound please?
Jeremy pays up, sees the money go in the till and is handed a pint of water.

Jeremy ponders this, and spots Nigel drinking a good pint. He goes over.
J C: Hi, Nigel, what are you drinking?
N F: That's kind of you, but I've already got my pint of best bitter.

Jeremy beckons the landlord to try again.
J C: A pint of best bitter please?
L: Five pounds please?
Jeremy pays up, and receives his beer (the head may be a little large, but he doesn't complain)

A couple of minutes later Nigel finishes his pint and beckons the landlord.
Nigel : Pint of best bitter please?
Landlord: That'll be three pounds twenty.
Money & beer change hands.

Jeremy has watched this exchange and approaches the landlord.
J C: Why have you just charged Nigel three-twenty when you charged me five pounds?
Landlord: He wouldn't have paid it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 04:05 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:35 AM
No Nigel
It is based on allegations made against the former defence secretary and I opened a thread SPECICALLY to deal with such.
It matters not one jot who brought it up here, but it has no place here.
We are supposed to be adults so saying "please Miss he started it" doesn't wash.

The fact that you have opened a new thread about the subject doe not prevent it also being discussed here. It has as much to do with this subject as your current discussion of the sacking (or otherwise) of Priti Patel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 04:16 AM

Nigel Farage walks into a bar. Landlord says fuck off you racist bigot.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 04:27 AM

Nigel's joke was much wittier.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:01 AM

Mine isn't a joke. Farage is.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:25 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:56 AM

You'd have thought, wouldn't you, that Tory brexiteers like our Nigel would have learned by now, especially in light of the last election, that taking Jeremy Corbyn for a fool is an extremely unwise tactic. Exactly the thing that lost Theresa her majority. We should encourage them to keep it up, Dave. The next election may be closer than they think.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 06:05 AM

Another thing is that Theresa May now has Priti Patel on the back benches. Patel's a vicious, ruthless, highly-ambitious right-wing brexitomaniac who isn't going away. She put profits for tobacco companies above people's lives in a previous incarnation. I've heard her variously described as Tebbit come back from the undead and as Thatcher resurrected. Be very afraid, Theresa. She's now outside the tent and she'll soon be pissing in.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 06:28 AM

From the Guardian website:

...But there is other news around today, not least the resumption of Brexit talks in Brussels. As the Times splash (paywall) suggests, there is a link between the Patel story and the negotiations. EU leaders are worried that May's government is so weak it could collapse, putting the Brexit process in jeopardy. The Times's lead story starts: "European Union leaders are preparing for the fall of Theresa May before the new year, it emerged yesterday, as the prime minister lost her second cabinet minister in a week."

The "Times splash" is a reference to today's Times front page.

"Brexit process?" What's one of them?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 08:58 AM

I was not pointing out Jeremy as a fool, but making a point about the benefits of negotiation before payment.
I suppose I should have realised that it would be lost on certain people.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 09:19 AM

making a point about the benefits of negotiation before payment.?

By rambling on about someone paying ?3.20 for a pint of bitter and someone else paying ?5 for a glass of water? No negotiations were entered into. No point was made apart from that you will never earn a living as a comedy writer. I suspect it was lost on more than certain people.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 09:19 AM

What's lost on you Tories is the urgent need for you to start upping your game rather than try to fool us into thinking that taking the piss out of your opponents will get you anywhere. When it's frighteningly clear that Donald Duck and Goofy could do a better job of running the country and negotiating brexit than this shower, it behoves you to start looking to yourselves. You've got this country into one hell of a mess. Continuing to lampoon someone who you spent months ridiculing, a tactic that seriously backfired, is a waste of your energy and is a sure-fire way of getting him elected. Which could be very soon. It's almost as if that's what you want.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 12:05 PM

Quite right. The tories are a mess, a laughing stock. May is in hock to a bunch of backward religious/nationalist zealots in the form of the DUP and in hock to everyone else in the tory party as well. The foreign office is an utter disaster area, seemingly operating without any respect for the procedures in place and with Boris with his clodhopper fat feet stuck permanently in his fat gob; the family of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe are in despair at his utter incompetence. The only reason he's still in the job is MayBot can't afford to have him loose on the back benches; some consolation for the Ratcliffe family if Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe gets hand a longer sentence because of that gobshite's stupidity.

Luckily, it's not all bad news for the Brexiteer Flying Circus. Many of them have their cash stashed offshore so they won't suffer, that's for the ordinary folk only. The list reads like a Who's Who if complete twats: The Brexiters who put their money offshore

Still no sign of the ?350m per week for the NHS either. Now there's a surprise.

If you voted for Brexit, you'd been done up like a kipper (geddit?).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 12:29 PM

Latest appointment , Penny Mordant....a fine upstanding Brexiteer and a woman into the bargain!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 01:33 PM

Well she went belly-up in that dive that she did. A microcosmic prediction, perhaps, of her imminent fate along with the rest of the shower. We have a lot to worry about.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 05:52 AM

Wot a surprise! This will get the remainders squawking big time!


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/09/brexit-boon-starting-salaries-rise-sharply-supply-cheap-migrant-workers-falls/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:13 AM

Two things struck me straight off:

1. It's reported on Brietbart news

2. Domestic staff do not (normally) get salaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:15 AM

I suppose posting a link from Breibart was an attempt to troll.

Must. Try. Harder.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:19 AM

Blimey, you're really excelling yourself this morning, Iains. First, a load of incontinent bile from the Express (see Paradise Papers thread where I have more to say about that), now proudly linking to an extremist right-wing website? And what's a "remainder" when it's at 'ome?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:19 AM

"2. Domestic staff do not (normally) get salaries."
What part of cuckoo land do you inhabit?

and I suppose anything that does not emanate from the collected works of corbyn, the bbc and gruniard must be false news!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:28 AM

Domestic staff tend to be paid wages, frequently paid on a hourly basis. I do not think I have even heard of domestic staff being salaried.

I'm ready to be corrected of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 07:09 AM

Once again, it is worth looking at the primary source without getting bogged down on commentator's interpretation. So here are some extracts from the paper Briebart got excited about:


=======

Report on Jobs: Staff appointments increase at softest pace for six months

?????????

Filed under Press release

Wednesday, 08 November 2017


?Key points:?

?

Growth of staff appointments held back by uncertain outlook and skill shortages
Availability of permanent and temporary workers continues to fall sharply
Starting salaries increase at second-quickest rate since November 2015
?
(Omitted sections)

October data pointed to a further marked decline in the availability of temporary and permanent workers across the UK, with the latter noting the steeper rate of reduction.?

?

...leading to further increase in pay rates

?

A sustained upturn in demand for staff and lower candidate availability led to further increases in pay. Starting salaries rose sharply overall, with the rate of inflation quickening to its second-strongest since November 2015. In contrast, temp pay rates rose at a pace that, though marked, was the weakest since March.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 08:16 AM

Good news: The bloke that wrote Article 50 says it's reversible. We'll loose our rebate (I think) but they'll let us back in. There's a chink of light in the suffocating darkness of alt-right idiocy.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:17 AM

LBC's James O'Brien defending, perhaps surprisingly, The Praying Mantis's role in the utter, disastrous debacle of BrexShit unfolding before our eyes....I do believe he has a point, several points, in fact!

https://www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/10155580033736558/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:33 AM

I wonder if those who said sterling was soaring (or approvingly quoted newspapers that said is was) think 'soaring is the best adjective for the exchange rate since then.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 07:35 AM

That James O'Brien piece chimed with me too. I think that as time goes on it's going to dawn on more and more people that the country is heading for disaster. Our trade with the rest of the world is declining (see this month's figures), we are net importers of goods and always will be, the biggest chunk of our trade is with EU countries and always will be, but even the very best deal imaginable with them will be a damn sight poorer than the one we have now. There is no long queue of countries waiting to buy our expensive goods when countries such as China and India can mop up the customers at half the price and all of the quality. Even with low or no EU tariffs (a pipe-dream), we will be subject to their trading rules in all kinds of ways and we will have no say. I'm betting there there are even people posting to this thread as ardent brexiteers who secretly see the truth, watching the catastrophe unfold as they realise that the EU holds all the cards and is going to give us nothing like the deal we want and desperately need. Pour encourager les autres and all that. There's a lot of hubris around, a lot of people who, if they don't already, are going to realise what a blunder the referendum was and what their decision was. A lot of them will be slow to abandon the hubris, drop the little-Englander Empire guff and finally admit it. The main political parties are paralysed on this. May and Corbyn both know that we are in deep doodah and that the leave vote was a disaster. Neither of them can admit to it because it would make them immediate electoral toast (although it's noticeable that Jeremy Corbyn has quietly dropped his "stand aside and let US do the job" mantra. That's the last thing he wants). We all have to live in this country and nobody wants to see things getting very bad. There will be no triumphalism on the remain side. I'd like to see the main parties get their heads together (the SNP and LibDems are already there) and put up a united front to the people of this country to tell us that we can't go through with this and are abandoning brexit forthwith. It was an advisory referendum after all and Article 50 can be scuppered. You may think I'm bloody loopy. Come back and tell me that in nine months' time if you dare.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 07:45 AM

O'Brein piece is a good summary of the whole situation. How far have we sunk?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 03:06 PM

I wonder if those who said sterling was soaring (or approvingly quoted newspapers that said is was) think 'soaring is the best adjective for the exchange rate since then.

No-one here said it was soaring.
It was me who quoted the reports, but only because they flatly contradicted Rag's statement about growth.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:00 PM

Flatly contradicted :-)

Are you bored professor

What do you make of the full one cent fall since you posted about a half a cent rise.

Taking into account that a half a cent rise is "soaring", according to you, a full cent fall must therefore be plummeting !!

Man the lifeboats !!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:43 PM

Now now, Raggytash, I saw a buzzard soaring downward this afternoon...