BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 17 - 09:10 PM

Gotcha at last, Nigel, though I wasn't even trying. You are firmly in the Iains/Woodcock swamp. Enjoy the wallow! Jayz, do I need those emojis!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 02:29 AM

"No king, no country"? No, we don't have a 'king' at present, we have a queen. And we are still a country, no matter how much you try to belittle us.
Are you 'British'? if so you obviously have no pride in this, our nation

I always find lines like this worrying. They bring to mind Samuel Johnson's "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" and Owen's

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.

To be clear: I am not calling you a scoundrel, Nigel, not am I saying that Brexit can be meaningfully compared to the first world war. Patriotism can be a great and noble thing.

But it can also be exploited. It is always, I think, an appeal to the emotions and it is very easily used to hide the weakness of an underlying argument.

And my experience, so far as it goes, it is most used so that a person can say 'I am Patriotic and you are not'. Which amongst other things fails to grasp that different people can have different interpretations but both be patriotic.


So let's leave such slurs to one side, please.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:33 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 02:29 AM

"No king, no country"? No, we don't have a 'king' at present, we have a queen. And we are still a country, no matter how much you try to belittle us.
Are you 'British'? if so you obviously have no pride in this, our nation

I always find lines like this worrying. They bring to mind Samuel Johnson's "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" and Owen's

You may have missed the fact that I was responding directly to Steve Shaw's comment: We will be buying stuff from the EU for decades, brexit regardless. We can't suddenly scrap half of our trade. We don't have deals with other potential trading partners and we are a very small fish. No king, no country, no Biggles, no empire, Nige. You have yet to come to terms. Typical Tory.

I did not bring the subject up.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:39 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 26 Nov 17 - 09:10 PM
Gotcha at last, Nigel, though I wasn't even trying. You are firmly in the Iains/Woodcock swamp. Enjoy the wallow! Jayz, do I need those emojis!

As a follow on to you describing my comments as those of a 'loser'?
No double standards here then.

And on the subject of Tariff Free trade: Great. I can't wait to try that Venezuelan Prosecco, that Gambian chorizo, that Mexican bratwurst, that Chilean Camembert, that Falkland Brie, that Peruvian VW Golf, that Indonesian Chianti, that Alaskan ouzo
It may have escaped your notice that Prosecco, Chianti & ouzo are not tariff free. (apart from purchases for personal use brought in by the purchaser) these are all subject to import duty.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:41 AM

No I hadn't missed that Nigel, but you were the one who brought up belittling the country. But it doesn-t matter who said it first: let none of us claim the others are less patriotic just because they think of the term a bit differently.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:44 AM

Is it a coincidence that when defenders of the indefensible find themselves painted into corners they invariably go for the throat and turn these discussions into slanging matches - sure it is!!
Mention bribes to terrorist-linked parties - no response
Raise the question of the long term damage that has been done - no response   
Detrimental effect on industry, wages, standards of living..... the same.
A new three-way stalemate was announced yesterday regarding the Irish involvement in all this.
Liam Fox has announced that the matter of the Irish Border cannot be discussed until the E.U. trade deal is resolved
Ireland's Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said that Ireland will veto any deal that does not guarantee open inland Irish borders.
Arlene Foster, whose party, thanks to a billion pound bribe, has announced that her party will never accept the establishment of a sea border between the Six Counties and mainland Britain.
A fine mess they have got us into - eh what!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:48 AM

I'm very patriotic chap as it happens. Patriots like me want the very best for their country but not at the expense of other countries or the people in them. The EU is about raising the game in all its member countries, many of whom have dismal histories of war and dictatorships in the last hundred years, about maintaining democracy, free movement of citizens and human rights and allowing them to pack a punch when it comes to trade. And the very best interests of this country would be served by our staying in the EU. On the other hand, the brexiteers seem to harbour the delusion that we can return to our pre-EU greatness (a main tenet of the delusion), sweeping across the globe mopping up the trade and showing Johnny Foreigner who's boss (and keeping him out of Blighty into the bargain). There's nothing patriotic about that. It's the path to doom. Patriots don't hack out the path to doom!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:21 AM

Steve
Have you never noticed that to these people, "patriotism" vever extends to the Bristish working man or woman who, more often or not, ther regard as "dole-scroungers" or "militant layabouts who are ruing our country" or "tax evaders" or "malingerers and bed-blockers"...."
As for British working people having a right to a home or a job and choice of employment or a living wage or a decent education for their kids - a "Commie nightmare" to each and every one of these flag-waggers
Offshore accounts and wholesale tax evasion to the extent of £millions - that's part of the British way of life - a tradition even
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:22 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:48 AM
I'm very patriotic chap as it happens. Patriots like me want the very best for their country but not at the expense of other countries or the people in them. The EU is about raising the game in all its member countries, many of whom have dismal histories of war and dictatorships in the last hundred years, about maintaining democracy, free movement of citizens and human rights and allowing them to pack a punch when it comes to trade. And the very best interests of this country would be served by our staying in the EU. On the other hand, the brexiteers seem to harbour the delusion that we can return to our pre-EU greatness (a main tenet of the delusion), sweeping across the globe mopping up the trade and showing Johnny Foreigner who's boss (and keeping him out of Blighty into the bargain). There's nothing patriotic about that. It's the path to doom. Patriots don't hack out the path to doom!

That is your opinion of what's best for the country.
The majority of the voting public didn't agree with you.
I do not wish to be part of a 'super-state' of Europe (which is where it's heading)
I don't believe that the EU is "raising the game in all member countries" Greece in particular (but not alone) is having major problems because they are shackled to a single currency.
As for 'Democracy' there is nothing democratic about being told to vote again, where a vote goes against the wishes of the bulk of the EU.(ask the Irish)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:32 AM

Steve,
We will have to carry on trading in EU food for decades. With tariffs. Some of which are bloody stiff.

Do you not understand that WE choose what items we apply tariffs to, We choose how "stiff" they are, and the money goes into OUR treasury anyway.

There are special cases like sheepmeat where we need to protect our hill farmers, but we do do need to impose any tariffs on food and no-one has suggested that we will.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:38 AM

Yankee chicken that would be too dangerous to eat were it not for the fact that it had to be washed in chlorine.

No cooking destroys bacteria as you ought to know.
The chlorination, which is not still used anyway, reduces the risk of infection from raw meat, which causes much illness and some deaths in UK every year.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:47 AM

Jim,
Liam Fox has announced that the matter of the Irish Border cannot be discussed until the E.U. trade deal is resolved
Ireland's Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said that Ireland will veto any deal that does not guarantee open inland Irish borders.
Arlene Foster, whose party, thanks to a billion pound bribe, has announced that her party will never accept the establishment of a sea border between the Six Counties and mainland Britain.
A fine mess they have got us into - eh what!!

How can we discuss what kind of border to have until we know what restrictions might need to be enforced.
Britain will not put up border posts. If Ireland/EU want it they will have to supply it, man it and defend it. (An Irish gov. spokesman on R4Today said posts would be attacked by paramilitaries within a week.)

Britain would hardly miss Irish trade, but Ireland's economy depends on ours.
It is not us getting in a fine mess.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:51 AM

The lad shaw is permanently confused: And as I said previously, a Walter Mitty

and I am a biologist!)
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 23 Nov 17 - 11:05 AM

well-educated, harmonica-totin', hanging-in-there Labour Party member, remoaner-in-chief, retired science teacher. In any order you like. Pass the corkscrew.
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 23 Nov 17 - 12:53 PM

for a botanist such as meself
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 22 Nov 17 - 07:19 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:56 AM

Steve,
The EU is about raising the game in all its member countries, many of whom have dismal histories of war and dictatorships in the last hundred years,

Have you not heard that the Far Right is on the rise in Europe, and now is inside the Parliaments of many members including Germany.
Another reason why I want no part of them.

Jim,
Have you never noticed that to these people, "patriotism" vever extends to the Bristish working man or woman

You mean the people whose decision on this you people all deride, Steve calling them "feeble minded" !

All the points you people raise were raised and countered before the referendum decision.
That debate is decided.
If you have nothing new to say then you have nothing to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:02 AM

"Away from a political grouping that is increasingly ignoring it's electorate and having an agenda increasingly driven by jackboots from Germany"

Yet you're happy to be ruled by the tories that is increasingly ignoring their electorate and having an agenda increasingly driven by jackboots from establishment little Englander nationalists, alt-right brownshirts twats like Farage and assorted xenophobes and ignoramuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:02 AM

How can we discuss what kind of border to have until we know what restrictions might need to be enforced

One way would to declare we will not impose any restriction that requires a hard border. You may or may not be prepared to do that, but is perfectly possible. So there is at least one way to progress the talks that the UK could propose that would gwt the talks through the nexr hurdle.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:04 AM

To be fair to Steve Shaw, he can be both a Botanist and a Biologist.

Botany is just one 'branch' of Biology.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:04 AM

"Can you be arsed to give an example of something that you are referring to?"

No.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:19 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:02 AM
One way would to declare we will not impose any restriction that requires a hard border. You may or may not be prepared to do that, but is perfectly possible. So there is at least one way to progress the talks that the UK could propose that would gwt the talks through the nexr hurdle.

Great, then we finally get to the end deal, and EU & UK start imposing tariffs on each others goods. Either party would be able to get around those tariffs by shipping via The Republic of Ireland.

Article 50 says that nothing can be agreed until everything is agreed.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:25 AM

Stu,
the tories that is increasingly ignoring their electorate and having an agenda increasingly driven by jackboots from establishment little Englander nationalists, alt-right brownshirts twats like Farage and assorted xenophobes and ignoramuses.

If that was true the electorate would sack them.

"Can you be arsed to give an example of something that you are referring to?"
No.

You mean you can't because you were talking bollocks again.

DMcG,
One way would to declare we will not impose any restriction that requires a hard border.

Britain has said that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:33 AM

If that was true the electorate would sack them.

You mean like in the last election when the electorate reduced them to a minority government but they clung on to power by bribing a sectarian organisation with billions of our pounds?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:44 AM

DMcG,
One way would to declare we will not impose any restriction that requires a hard border.

Britain has said that.

Has it? I must have missed that. I am aware it has said it doea not want a hard border. I was not aware it had given an untaking not to impose any regulations that would require such a border. I would be glad of a link if you had one.

Nigel: i did respond but as usual this phone is hiding the submit button with large texts

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:45 AM

"How can we discuss what kind of border to have until we know what restrictions might need to be enforced."
How can Ireland possibly agree to anything that return to the situation of a hard border and all the economic hardship and possible violence that that entails?
Nobody in either North or South wants any sort of border - the Northern governing party which is keeping the Tories in office refuse to countenance a sea border under any circumstances - Brexit has been shown to be detrimental to their economy
The EU will not "have" to do anything and to suggest that they are committed to doing anything to resolve this is Little Englandism in the extreme -
You people have never lost your Empire "Britannia Rules the Waves" mentality, have you?
THis is England's decision and it is England's mess
Ireland has Europe to trade with - Britain has just guaranteed that they can no longer rely on that
Brexit is a British fuck-up, pure and simple and the solution lies in the hands of a bunch of clowns who haven't even the nouse to hang on to a parliamentary majority
"The lad shaw is permanently confused: "
Will you never grow ip Iians or are you destined to spend your life hurling schoolyard abuse?
Jim Carroll
Yet another stalemate
Scottish Brexit minister Mike Russell has announced that if Ireland can stay in the European Trade Zone, so should Scotland have the same right

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:46 AM

This is now reaching the proportions of low farce
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:47 AM

... so i will post it tonight if the conversation hasnt moved on too much. But in summary i made the point that it was possible, but not whether it was desirable. However I believe the issues you raise will still be there even if we start trade talks immediately and that the only solution will be a hard border. As usual, time will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 06:20 AM

"You mean the people whose decision on this you people all deride, "
I've said what Brexit was sold on Keith - there are no figures available on how many working people voted for Brexit and how many didn't
Disagreement doesn't come anywhere near the constant outpourings of contempt on working people from the Tories
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:34 AM

"The majority of the voting public didn't agree with you."

38% is not a majority. I know I'm only a biologist but my maths seems better than yours.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:34 AM

"You mean you can't because you were talking bollocks again."

No, because debating with you good sir is like sticking forks in one's legs.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:37 AM

I don't think I've ever used the expression "feeble-minded," Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:41 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:34 AM
"The majority of the voting public didn't agree with you."
38% is not a majority. I know I'm only a biologist but my maths seems better than yours.

Nope, either your maths, or your use of English is slipping.
"The voting public" means the public that vote.
38% is not a majority of the available electorate.
52% is a majority of the voting public.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:52 AM

DMcG,
Britain has said that.
Has it? I must have missed that. I am aware it has said it doea not want a hard border. I was not aware it had given an untaking not to impose any regulations that would require such a border. I would be glad of a link if you had one.

It has, and here is confirmation today from a Labour MP.
"We're not the ones who are going to be putting up the physical border. If it ends up with a no deal, we won't be putting up the border, they'll have to pay for it because it doesn't need to happen."
"If it ends up with a no deal, we won't be putting up the border, they'll have to pay for it because it doesn't need to happen."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:52 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:45 AM
"How can we discuss what kind of border to have until we know what restrictions might need to be enforced."
How can Ireland possibly agree to anything that return to the situation of a hard border and all the economic hardship and possible violence that that entails?

Unfortunately Ireland's agreement doesn't seem to be required. The (southern) Irish government have already allowed the EU to negotiate on their behalf. And the EU will go for whatever benefits the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:53 AM

Corrected link,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42137597

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:57 AM

New information for us all to consider: Brexit: Irish border cannot be settled until trade deal agreed, says Fox

I doubt many Brexiteers gave the Irish border much thought when they voted, it wasn't discussed very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:58 AM

Stu,
No, because debating with you good sir is like sticking forks in one's legs.

I did not ask for a debate, I asked for ONE example of what you claimed and you could not give it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:59 AM

Thanks, Keith, but I don't think that says we will not introduce regulations that require a hard border. But why not ask Nigel if that's what he thinks it says, because he was not happy with when I suggested such a commitment it might be a possibility?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:02 AM

Steve, I am sorry.
It was not you but Backwoodsman who referred to Leave voters as "feeble-minded."

You still seem to support his views though. Will you state now that you do not?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:09 AM

DMcG,
Thanks, Keith, but I don't think that says we will not introduce regulations that require a hard border.

Britain says it does not want a hard border so it will not introduce regulations that would require one.

"Ireland should take Theresa May “at her word” when she says the UK Government does not want a post-Brexit hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, a former Taoiseach has said."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/27/take-theresa-may-word-post-brexit-irish-border-issue-former/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:14 AM

I doubt many Brexiteers gave the Irish border much thought when they voted, it wasn't discussed very much

All can about that is that it was mentioned here by, for example, McGrath of Harlow on 2 June 2016 and yours truly on 9th July 2016 where we said we would be in the position we are now.

All dismissed out of hand becauae the border would not be a problwm, naturally.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:15 AM

Sorry, june for both.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:20 AM

Keith
Over a year ago a poll indicated that over one million Brexiters had changed their minds and now wished to remain
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-people-changed-minds-brexit-second-referendum-poll-finds-a7795591.html
Stop avoiding the point - Brexit is a glorious mess.
"Unfortunately Ireland's agreement doesn't seem to be required"
IRELAND CAN BLOCK BREXIT
SCotland is arguing that it can do the same
An utter mess that stands to break up the UK - as prophesied
It also stands to restart the war, if your Little Englander arrogance is typical
But never mind - there's another royal wedding on the way to act as a diversion - isn't there always!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:43 AM

I don't doubt Teresa May does not want a hard border. But no-one has come up with a plausible alternative. So if we follow Liam Fox or allow the talks to collapse, we will end up with a hard border, I predict. "Wanting" is nothing like enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:44 AM

Jim,
I've said what Brexit was sold on Keith - there are no figures available on how many working people voted for Brexit and how many didn't

Steve was clear that it was the "plebs."
"As long as the plebs swallowed it hook, line and sinker and voted leave."

Re. your link, despite the headline the survey did not find that.
The sub heading is more correct, "The majority of people would back a referendum on the terms of the the UK's departure from the EU, a Survation poll found"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:51 AM

DMcG, she said more than just not wanting it.

Same link,
Mrs May said in her Florence speech in September that the UK “will not accept any physical infrastructure at the border” between Northern Ireland and the Republic.


Obviously we have no power to stop EU erecting it on their side.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Martin
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:00 AM

Stikes me ROI is holding the trump card here - they do not want hard border & the EU must listen to them, ROI could stop the UK Brexiting & I sincerely hope that they do!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:05 AM

From: Jim Martin - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:00 AM
Stikes me ROI is holding the trump card here - they do not want hard border & the EU must listen to them, ROI could stop the UK Brexiting & I sincerely hope that they do!

As Jim Carroll's recent link shows, Ireland can block the Brexit talks. This is not the same as blocking Brexit.

The UK is leaving the EU, all blocking the talks will do is ensure that it is a 'hard' Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:07 AM

Ah, but what is physical? ANPR? Drones managed from a fixed headquarters?

Then does a hard border have to be physical at all? It could exist in terms of paperwork and import/export files that have to be submitted for every crossing..

To me a hard border is any system at all in which every movement of goods and/or people is monitored. It is not just border posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:25 AM

"Steve was clear that it was the "plebs."
As much as I usually agree with Steve on this subject, he has as much ida as you and I have of the social structure of the vote
The 'plebs' were sold the vote on the basis that if immigration wasn't stopped their jobs would continue to be at risk - the old racist card made infamous by Enoch Powell
It is a moot point whether, given she shambolic fiasco now entertaining us all and the confirmation by the Government itself that Brexit will lower standards of living and have an adverse effect on the economy for at least a decade, the people who originally voted for Brexit would do so again
"Ireland can block the Brexit talks. This is not the same as blocking Brexit."
At this stage, it seems to add up to the same thing
"The UK is leaving the EU, all blocking the talks will do is ensure that it is a 'hard' Brexit."
Another moot point given that there are now calls for a referendum before everything is finalised
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:37 AM

There is a bit of sleight of hand by the way on this idea that we don't have a border but the EU do.

Imagine the situation that some crime has been committed in NI and the criminals escaped. Do you think we would want to know if they have crossed the border or not? Would you be content if the EU declined to tell us because it is "their hard border"?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:51 AM

"Britain says it does not want a hard border so it will not introduce regulations that would require one."

Britain said that the deficit would be paid off by 2015 but it wasn't.