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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Steve Shaw 25 May 18 - 06:01 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 May 18 - 05:05 PM
Iains 25 May 18 - 05:05 PM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 05:04 PM
Dave the Gnome 25 May 18 - 05:01 PM
DMcG 25 May 18 - 04:45 PM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 04:37 PM
Backwoodsman 25 May 18 - 04:29 PM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 04:24 PM
Iains 25 May 18 - 04:04 PM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 03:51 PM
Iains 25 May 18 - 03:37 PM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 02:37 PM
Iains 25 May 18 - 02:09 PM
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Iains 25 May 18 - 12:00 PM
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Raggytash 25 May 18 - 11:30 AM
Iains 25 May 18 - 11:20 AM
DMcG 25 May 18 - 11:13 AM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 10:59 AM
Iains 25 May 18 - 10:46 AM
Raggytash 25 May 18 - 08:47 AM
Keith A of Hertford 25 May 18 - 07:58 AM
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Jim Carroll 25 May 18 - 05:27 AM
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Raggytash 24 May 18 - 08:37 AM
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Iains 24 May 18 - 07:41 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 May 18 - 06:01 PM

The Coffee Sack in Prestwich was as lovely a place as ever today, but I noticed a slight diminution in the amount of crushed avocado on my sourdough toast under my two exquisitely-poached eggs. I blame brexit. Mind you, the cappuccino was as gorgeous as ever. Best coffee in Prestwich!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 May 18 - 05:05 PM

I will live with just examples of the reasoning, Raggy. It will be better than the nothing we have had up to now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 05:05 PM

Don't let me stop you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 05:04 PM

"Give us a couple of examples of which way you reasoned it may be glorious."

And try to show us now how that reasoning has been justified.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 May 18 - 05:01 PM

We are after all talking about a glorious future event.

In what way is it going to be glorious? That is all we are asking and, to date, no one has provided anything like a sensible answer. When you went into that polling booth and but your mark on that paper you must have thought it through. Give us a couple of examples of which way you reasoned it may be glorious.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 25 May 18 - 04:45 PM

Your logic is faulty.

No, my logic is fine. If you wish, I will write it in formal mathematical predicate logic.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 04:37 PM

I know that Backwoodsman, but unfortunately these silly buggers have dropped the rest of it in the sh*te.

I'll be OK .......... I hope.

Other people, like my son, will suffer the consequences for decades.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 May 18 - 04:29 PM

Raggy, owd lad, they haven't a single clue how the U.K. will benefit after BrexShit because they allowed themselves to be conned into voting Leave by a few sound-bites and bare-faced lies fed to them by a bunch of self-serving charlatans who themselves hadn't a clue how we will benefit (and still don't).

But it'll be alright when we've 'taken are cuntry back'. Not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 04:24 PM

Not seen a sign of a buttercup yet, too bloody cold up here at the moment.

I take it you have no logical answer to my question though.

Sadly I am not at all surprised.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 04:04 PM

I always thought one of the great benefits of the digital age was that records would no longer stick in the groove. In your case I was obviously wrong. You are now getting very boring.
The buttercups at the bottom of the garden are doing very well this year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 03:51 PM

Iains, you and your compartiots must have thought that the UK could benefit by leaving the EU.

Every bit of information I have gleaned in the past two years has been negative. (apart from taking back control of our country)

Please explain how we are going to benefit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 03:37 PM

As I have said before, I do not scry, divinate, study entrails or the distribution of cast chicken bones. I suggest you address your enquiry to IPSOS MORI. They have no qualms about getting their forecasts wrong. We are after all talking about a glorious future event. Are we not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 02:37 PM

Iains, please explain to us all what benefits we can expect from leaving the EU.

(please leave out the mantra about getting our country back)

To date I have not seen one postive outcome for the UK, maybe I'm missing something and I would like someone to enlighten me.

Cheers


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 02:09 PM

Your logic is faulty. Anyone that supports the democratic vote obviously welcomes the approach of the event voted on. That is Brexit. Can welcoming the approach of Brexit be anything other than a good thing for those that support democracy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 25 May 18 - 01:13 PM

Since you last posted your mindless mantra I am happy to inform you brexit has crept that little bit closer.

Good News Indeed?


So have our deaths, by exactly the same amount.

That an event is getting closer is not, in itself, a good thing.
You need to show that the event is a good thing, which is what Raggytash keeps asking for.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 12:03 PM

"Got any good news stories about Brexit yet?"
Since you last posted your mindless mantra I am happy to inform you brexit has crept that little bit closer.

Good News Indeed?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 12:00 PM

"No doubt Iain's - confusion seems a permanent state with some people,"
Only when trying to decipher your seemingly random keystrokes. Have you tried spellcheck? It may not cure the nonsense but at least we could read it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 18 - 11:47 AM

"I am a little confused by your comment."
No doubt Iain's - confusion seems a permanent state with some people
You linked to 'The Official Brexit Song' extolling the virtues of Britain standing on its own feet
It was sung in a phony American accent
Does that not seem ludicrously apt to you?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 11:30 AM

"If the UK is making a successful transition you should applaud it instead of condemning it."

Arrant nonsense, and you know it.

The rules may have to change at some point in the future, but they haven't changed yet, so we are lagging behind every almost every other industrialised nation.

And we will no doubt continue to do so.

Got any good news stories about Brexit yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 11:20 AM

That is because the UK has transitioned to the post industrial economy.
Different rules apply. Anyway we have another thread running saying perpetual growth cannot continue. If the UK is making a successful transition you should applaud it instead of condemning it.
There are a few dinosaurs here who cannot understand what this all means, as they will shortly demonstrate!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 25 May 18 - 11:13 AM

I see Andrea Leadsom says the Withdrawal Bill will be brought back before the commons in a matter of weeks, not months.

Just as well there is no time pressure on the withdrawal arrangements isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 10:59 AM

True Iains, forecasts can be mistaken.

However every economic predictor I have seen in the last two years show that the UK is lagging behind not only Europe, but behind almost every one of the industrialised nations.

Part, not all I accept, of this is due to Brexit, as you will have seen from the numerous articles and links I have placed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 10:46 AM

I think the lesson to be drawn from this is that it is a forecast. Sometimes they are right. sometimes they are horribly wrong. What will the above turn out to be?
After all forecasts prediction the klingon would win and that remain was a certainty.


You cannot attach too much credence to forecasts!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 08:47 AM

As with all figures it is useful to have a comparison. As John Hawksworth the chief economist at PwC indicated "We expect some recovery in the second quarter, with GDP growth of around 1.3% for 2018 as a whole,”

So the UK may have a growth figure of 1.3%, the attached chart shows how we fare in comparison to other European countries.

European Growth Figures


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 May 18 - 07:58 AM

Last two sentences of Rag's Guardian article,
"Much will now hinge on how consumers fare over the coming months, with some early indications there could be a rebound in stronger retail sales data for April.
John Hawksworth, the chief economist at PwC, said he still believed the figures from the ONS overstate the underlying weakness of the economy, given job creation in recent months. “We expect some recovery in the second quarter, with GDP growth of around 1.3% for 2018 as a whole,” he said."


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 07:51 AM

Despite claims to the contrary today the UK posted the worst quarterly GDP figures for 5 years. Based mainly it seems on weak business investment and a fall in household spending, something that has been mentioned here before.

Worst GDP figures of 5 years


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 05:49 AM

Can you repeat that in english, I am a little confused by your comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 18 - 05:27 AM

I lved the fact that your "Official Bexit Song" was sung in a phony pseudo-American accent by the way
A perfect summation of this shitty decision
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 May 18 - 04:35 AM

You just cannot help some people!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 May 18 - 02:39 AM

"Let me help you out jimmie."
Are you really going to attempt to close this thread with your mind-numb schoolyard behaviour
Keith attempts to talk down to people, you have always attempted to talk down to people (as your long and as yet incomplete string of serial insulting has proved)
The pair of you wouldn't be tall enough to do so if you stood on each other's shoulders
For Christ's sake - grow up and stop killing threads with your uncontrolable childish behaviour
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 18 - 02:12 PM

Let me help you out jimmie. You gave the wrong link. Try this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL8TJsM86x0


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 May 18 - 01:57 PM

Do they think the model is not integral to our future trading relationships? Probably not.

Probably yes. There is an alternative to both models so they are not "integral to our future trading relationships."


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 May 18 - 01:01 PM

The Brexit select committee said that in the absence of another plan, extending the current customs union "will be the only viable option".

I was especially intrigued by this paragraph:

In a paragraph which three of the cross-party committee tried to get removed from the report, the MPs noted the government had not yet agreed which customs model it prefers "despite this being absolutely integral to the future EU-UK relationship and the UK's trade relationship with the rest of the world".


I think we can guess who at least two of the three are, but that's of less interest. It was why they wanted the paragraph removed that intrigued me.

Could it be that they think the government has agreed a customs model? Obviously not.

Do they think the model is not integral to our future trading relationships? Probably not.

So what, I wonder, did they want removed, and why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 May 18 - 10:35 AM

"DID YOU MISS THAT"


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 May 18 - 10:24 AM

Rag,
Iains, You have never even tried to communicate about anything to do with the articles, links or comments about Brexit that I post.

That is not how debate is conducted Rag.
Pro and anti brexit articles appear every day. You alone think you are doing something clever by linking to all the ones you find on your side.

There was good economic news about goverment borrowing. It is at a record low because the booming economy and full employment has boosted tax revenue, the opposite of what the leave campaign predicted would be happening now.
Did you miss that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 May 18 - 09:59 AM

Been trying to remember who Fawkes reminds me of
Does anybody remember Private Eye's 'Lunchtime O'Booze@?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 May 18 - 09:26 AM

"Guido does not permanently beg for money like the gruniard. That says a lot!"
It does indeed
As with shit-holes like Ukip, such right-wing bloggers, have no problem finding wealthy financial backers

Paul Staines
In 2006, Staines along with Jag Singh co-founded MessageSpace, a digital advertising agency which operates an advertising network representing dozens of leading political websites. In 2012 it advised the successful Boris Johnson London mayoral campaign. Private Eye reported in June 2012 that MessageSpace was advising the Russian Embassy in London on using social media.[67]
St Kitts and Nevis-based Global & General Nominees Limited (GGN) publishes the Guido Fawkes Blog. Staines describes himself as an "adviser" to GGN.[68] He is a director of Global & General Nominees (Hong Kong) Limited.


He made his money originally as an Acid-House party organiser, linking him with drugs and he has a string of convictions for drink driving
Just the feller to take home to meet the family
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 18 - 09:15 AM

He's as bad as he who must not be named while he is in this mood, Raggy. Shame really because there have been occasional glimmers of sense. Just ignore him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 May 18 - 08:37 AM

Hmmm. So quoting a speech by Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England is quoting nothing of substance?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 18 - 08:33 AM

The solution is very easy. Make a sensible contribution to the discussion or simply keep quiet. Most of your recent posts have had nothing of substance, they are merely provocative. and we all know what sort of lowlife behaviour that is. Do we not?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 May 18 - 08:29 AM

Iains, You have never even tried to communicate about anything to do with the articles, links or comments about Brexit that I post.

Not once.

You have never tried to refute or deny the contents of those articles and links, nor have you ever posted an alternative to them.

Again not once.

I'm beginning to think that you now realise that Brexit is probably going to be a complete disaster for the UK but you don't want to lose face by admitting it publicly.

And I can also guarantee that you will either ignore this or tell me that I do not comprehend.

The one thing you certainly will not do is present an alternative to my posts and links.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 18 - 08:04 AM

I think it time that you were destined for the list of people to take no notice of yourself, Iains.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 May 18 - 07:41 AM

"Now if you want to rely on tittle tattle, gossip and rumour whilst the rest of us peruse adult grown up newspapers .............

That apart you have still to comment on any article I have linked to."

A clear demonstration of someone with the attention span of a gnat and the comprehension of goldfish.
Simply not worth the effort of trying to communicate with!
"I would say you either have a spectacular way with irony or that you are being hypocritical. I hope it is the former."
I gift you free membership of the club above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 24 May 18 - 07:08 AM

why trust anyone else's point of view? you have free will - work it out for yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 May 18 - 07:00 AM

Hoop alert!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 May 18 - 06:53 AM

Has anything released by Guido ever proved to be wrong?
No.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 May 18 - 06:11 AM

The mast head of the Guido Fawkes web site reads;

"tittle tattle, gossip and rumours about Westminster's Mother of Parliaments. Written from the perspective of the only man to enter parliament with honest intentions. The intention being to blow it up with gunpowder..."

Now if you want to rely on tittle tattle, gossip and rumour whilst the rest of us peruse adult grown up newspapers .............

That apart you have still to comment on any article I have linked to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 May 18 - 05:56 AM

Clever little putdowns about sources say much more about the person posting than the source being denigrated.

It does indeed, Iains. Shame that you follow that with

Guido does not permanently beg for money like the gruniard. That says a lot!

What does that say about you?

I would say you either have a spectacular way with irony or that you are being hypocritical. I hope it is the former.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 May 18 - 05:34 AM

Yep, should have mentioned the Indie.

Selection of what news is most important and what should be relegated to page 27 or left out altogether can't be neutral. But the content of news items in the Guardian, Telegraph, Indie and the BBC news can come pretty close. Comment is free but facts are sacred. CP Scott could have added that the Twain should not meet in items purporting to be news reporting. Which is why Guido Fawkes, the Mail, the Express, the Sun and the Mirror aren't to be trusted.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 24 May 18 - 05:33 AM

on the day after the vote i went into work with a polish friend - she was met with a few calls of 'you'll be packing your bags now, marta' 'it's been good knowing you' etc
she is a good worker and well liked and she laughed this off. later she told me how upset she had been and how worried she was.

This is not a newspaper story or from any other source than my own experience. it is a true representation of a real event.

Now, i am sure we all know people who have been affected in a similar way . My daughter works in Estonia and is thinking of applying for citizenship there to guarantee that she can continue to live with her partner (she doesn't earn enough to live here - if only she was a Russian gangster) Another friend has recently returned to Italy. These and millions of other stories are not fabricated, not biased - it's just how individuals are trying to make sense of our ludicrous decision.

It's this that angers me - i don't know, nobody does, how it will work out economically or politically but we do know what is happening at a human level and the government are doing nothing to clarify their position to give us security and confidence.

you don't MSM or mudcat - just keep your eyes open


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