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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

DMcG 23 Feb 18 - 05:53 AM
DMcG 23 Feb 18 - 05:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Feb 18 - 05:16 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Feb 18 - 05:14 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Feb 18 - 05:09 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Feb 18 - 05:02 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Feb 18 - 04:06 AM
Iains 23 Feb 18 - 03:55 AM
Jim Carroll 23 Feb 18 - 03:36 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Feb 18 - 03:12 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 18 - 05:56 PM
Iains 22 Feb 18 - 05:08 PM
Iains 22 Feb 18 - 03:04 PM
DMcG 22 Feb 18 - 02:25 PM
DMcG 22 Feb 18 - 02:23 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Feb 18 - 02:14 PM
Iains 22 Feb 18 - 02:09 PM
Dave the Gnome 22 Feb 18 - 01:46 PM
Iains 22 Feb 18 - 01:26 PM
DMcG 22 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Feb 18 - 12:28 PM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 18 - 09:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Feb 18 - 09:03 AM
Raggytash 22 Feb 18 - 08:38 AM
DMcG 22 Feb 18 - 08:23 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Feb 18 - 07:45 AM
Dave the Gnome 22 Feb 18 - 07:30 AM
Iains 22 Feb 18 - 06:54 AM
Steve Shaw 22 Feb 18 - 06:52 AM
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Iains 22 Feb 18 - 06:47 AM
Raggytash 22 Feb 18 - 06:37 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Feb 18 - 06:23 AM
Iains 22 Feb 18 - 06:14 AM
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Iains 22 Feb 18 - 04:45 AM
Keith A of Hertford 22 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:53 AM

By the way, Dave, I agree Iains deserves a pat on the back for finding a prediction saying Brexit can be positive which has some arguments to say why.

However, lines in the article need to be read between. Fot example the phrase "Seek the lowest-cost sources of energy rather than burdening consumers with massive bills" means precisely what is says. There are pressure to create more open cast coal mines in the North East despite the government line that they will all be closed by (I think) 2025. Local environmental damage? Long term pollition and carbon emissions? Pah! Cheap is all that counts. Fracking? If it is cheap, bring it on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:29 AM

have control of any issue of fishing licences for them,?and for how long those licences will be valid
Once we have the control we can issue licences to maximise/control the amount of fishing, but allowing it to continue while we get our own fishing fleet back to its previous size (in line with our new fishing area). At which time, time limited licences (to businesses in other countries) will expire to be replaced by increased licences to UK companies.


As I said originally, this is complex. We can only sell the licences to people interestes in buying them and i expect that they would be seeking long lasting licences. I don't know, of course, but it seems likely. And if the licence is even moderately long term - say ten ywars - we get back to long term investment in UK industry with no financial return.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:16 AM

...they deserve ra... ther than trying and failing to analyse them.

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:14 AM

Keith, if you feel that my contributions are empty headed then ignore them. Treat them with the contempt you feel that they deserve ra. Absolutely no skin off my nose at all. And which bit of fuck off is so difficult to understand?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:09 AM

Dave,
I have no intention of justifying anything whosoever to you Keith.

You can not justify your claims to anyone because you just make them up.

If you make a claim you should be able to support it with some knowledge or fact.
I do. We all do except you.
You can not because yours are just made up by you.

Brexit will change our policy on refugees and asylum seekers.
Made up claim, based on no knowledge or fact.
Tariff savings never lead to lower prices.
Made up claim based on no knowledge or fact.

Just empty head whims.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:02 AM

BTW - I should have added a genuine 'Well done Iains' to my last post. The article is what I have been asking for for days and you have been the first to provide it. It predicts a good positive outcome for brexit as long as the government do it properly. That fact that this present administration seem incapable of doing anything right does little to allay my fears but at least someone is trying. Unfortunately it is just one ray of hope in a forest of doom laden outcomes. Thanks anyway.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 04:06 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

A fair deal for our fishing industry, ravaged by the EU since we joined

We discussed this a lot back in January. Here are some links and in some cases I have copied the text as well

==========
Dave the Gnome    17 Jan 18 - 04:06 AM

DMcG    17 Jan 18 - 05:09 PM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return


Nigel Parsons    17 Jan 18 - 10:18 AM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return.
The fact that we have a depleted fishing fleet does not cause a problem. We will be 'taking back control of our fishing grounds'. That does not have to mean we will fish them ourselves, but we will have control of any issue of fishing licences for them, and for how long those licences will be valid

===========

So Nigel is quite clear that getting control of the fishing grounds does not imply we fish them ourselves. Quite how that helps our fishermen - rather than big business ptentially from outside the UK - I leave you two to explain.


I thought the answer would be implicit in my earlier reply:
The fact that we have a depleted fishing fleet does not cause a problem. We will be 'taking back control of our fishing grounds'. That does not have to mean we will fish them ourselves, but we will have control of any issue of fishing licences for them, and for how long those licences will be valid
Once we have the control we can issue licences to maximise/control the amount of fishing, but allowing it to continue while we get our own fishing fleet back to its previous size (in line with our new fishing area). At which time, time limited licences (to businesses in other countries) will expire to be replaced by increased licences to UK companies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 03:55 AM

Calamity Jeremy

:

https://www.joe.co.uk/politics/gadzooks-loony-lefty-jeremy-corbyns-calamitous-manifesto-leaked-125059


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 03:36 AM

"The story that some would argue has no legs,"
The only "legs" this story has is the fact that Mayfly's incompetence has made yet another General Election inevitable - I always look forward to hearing the cuckoo in the spring
'The Times' has widened the target to include 'Red Ron' Brown - so the entire Labour party is really a communist cell - I ***** wish - it might have made parliamentary politics a tad more interesting.
"Jeremy 'Stalin' Corbyn "
Nice one Dave (you must explain how to 'blue clickie The Independent some time - I can never manage to)
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 03:12 AM

I am sure a resourceful gnome can hop off his toadstool and find a missing link.

Of course I can but it isn't half as much fun as pointing out that a link to post brexit benefits says 'file not found' :-)

A much better article on Jeremy 'Stalin' Corbyn in the Independant.

Enjoy

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:56 PM

The whole yarn has been utterly discredited, and the good old Daily Mail is simply bringing the press into disrepute. Let it go, Iains. It's making you suffer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:08 PM

The story that some would argue has no legs, not only has more legs that a millipede, but is growing wings as well. Would the CIA keep tabs on corbyn, unless they felt there was sufficient reason?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5423507/CIA-files-reveal-spies-kept-tabs-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

luvvin it!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:04 PM

D the G. Just goes to show the guardian not only has a problem with spelling. But I am sure a resourceful gnome can hop off his toadstool and find a missing link.
Any way- a partial taster!
All the benefits of Brexit are entirely independent from the single market and the customs union, except in so far as membership of these prevents us from crystallising them. There is also a potential and massively important fringe benefit of Brexit, in that the government will now have to do the things that George Osborne failed to deliver and which have been resisted by the City-dominated Treasury for so long.

We need to rebalance the economy, and from this imperative government no longer has a hiding place. Our new freedom and EU contribution monies mean the government, at last, has the mandate and the resources to support our small and medium-sized exporters, and not be transfixed by the often protectionist multinationals. We must invest in universities and research and development and actually build infrastructure, not just talk about it. Seek the lowest-cost sources of energy rather than burdening consumers with massive bills. Provide non-equity loan capital and finance for entrepreneurs, growing firms and the tech sector, even if it means the City turning a buck less.

Immigration must be cut, but not at the expense of talent and jobs. Bone fide university students should be assessed for immigration at the point of graduation, not entry ? after all, education is a service sector ?export? as much as selling Burberry handbags, and creates a network around the world and a pool of talent for business. We want the brightest and the best in this country, alongside investment in the development and training of our young people to ensure they are as employable as possible. It is shameful that we have nearly 600,000 unemployed under-25s........


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:25 PM

Longworth. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:23 PM

The article is by John Longford, who was co-chair of "Leave means Leave".

Thanks for the evidence that the Guardian is sufficiently grown up to publish opinion pieces that represent a wide range of views. Not all papers are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:14 PM

Absolutely perfect, Iains. A link to these huge benefits says 'not found'. I couldn't have put it better :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:09 PM

Stop complaining about Brexit ? the economic benefits will be huge.
You know it makes sense. You can read it here in the gruniard.



Stop complaining about Brexit ? the economic benefits will be huge


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:46 PM

I have no intention of justifying anything whosoever to you Keith. There is no point other than to give you the attention you are seeking. You are better seeking that from someone who gives a toss what you think. Now, how about some benefits that are not disputed?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:26 PM

The UK has the second largest fishing fleet in the EU after Spain
(in gross tonnage) and lands the second largest live weight tonnage.(913k tonne in 2015)

Spanish out-UK in! not a problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

A fair deal for our fishing industry, ravaged by the EU since we joined


We discussed this a lot back in January. Here are some links and in some cases I have copied the text as well

==========

Dave the Gnome    17 Jan 18 - 04:06 AM

DMcG    17 Jan 18 - 05:09 PM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return


Nigel Parsons    17 Jan 18 - 10:18 AM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return.

The fact that we have a depleted fishing fleet does not cause a problem. We will be 'taking back control of our fishing grounds'. That does not have to mean we will fish them ourselves, but we will have control of any issue of fishing licences for them, and for how long those licences will be valid

===========

So Nigel is quite clear that getting control of the fishing grounds does not imply we fish them ourselves. Quite how that helps our fishermen - rather than big business ptentially from outside the UK - I leave you two to explain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 12:28 PM

Dave,
Once again, it is you disputing the claim, Keith, and it is up to you to disprove it.

You have made a claim but you can not tell us why you believe it.
You have no evidence for your claim.
It is just another of your whims.

If an importer overcharges for goods, a competitor will undercut them.

Or you could stick to the point and tell us all the benefits that post brexit UK will reap.

Just a few examples then Dave.

Cheaper food and clothes estimated to save the poorest 20% of their spending.

The freedom to make trade deals with anyone we want.

Not being shackled to "an institution which is driving and reinforcing many of the problems across Europe, from the refugee crisis to worsening work conditions, to a growing militarism. While it is continuing to penalise Greece, it turns a blind eye to far-right politics in Poland and Hungary, and looks like endorsing the return of Silvio Berlusconi in next month?s Italian election."

The right to control our own borders.

A fair deal for our fishing industry, ravaged by the EU since we joined.

Helping developing nations by removing tariffs from their produce.
Freedom from EU bureaucracy.

Restoring power to our own Parliament.
etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:50 AM

Anyway, more "good news" today to follow yesterday's "good news" about unemployment zooming up and wages still lagging behind inflation. Growth revised down, business investment down, exports down, imports up. In the words of the Carpenters, we've only just begun...

Any offers from our brave-facers?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:03 AM

Once again, it is you disputing the claim, Keith, and it is up to you to disprove it. Or you could stick to the point and tell us all the benefits that post brexit UK will reap.

My confident prediction. You will not do either.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 08:38 AM

Eh up Dave, you know that Joel Emmanuel Hagglund wrote quite a few songs. In one of them he created an expression that seems to fit the bill in people thinking the UK Government will not impose Import Tariffs on goods. That song is The Preacher and the Slave. It seems quite pertinent here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 08:23 AM

Meanwhile...

The EU has declared the "three basket approach" will not be acceptable. I wonder if the Chequers away-day will suggest it anyway.

And what about Rees-Mogg callibg May's transition plan a perversion of democracy.

Surely one of the Leave supporters has something to say about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 07:45 AM

Rag,
That's amazing Dave, Import tariffs do exist. I'm sure someone on here claimed they didn't.

They did not Rag.
I will try to explain it again, but I doubt you will ever get it.

Import tariffs do exist.
EU countries do not impose tariffs on each other's goods.
EU countries have to impose tariffs on other countries unless a trade deal has been made.

When we leave we will not have to impose a tariff on anyone's goods. We can choose what goods require one.

Dave, your claim,
"it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens."

Yes it does. You made that up. Your claim is based on nothing.
Just another vacuous whim from an empty head.

Or will you prove me wrong and tell us how you know this?
Confident prediction- no chance!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 07:30 AM

Likewise a reduction in costs, such as the removal of a tariff, is passed on to the final buyer, otherwise known as you and me!

Of course it is. Just like the tooth fairy leaves money under your pillow, Santa Claus comes down the chimney and the Easter bunny delivers eggs. Do you seriously believe that prices will come down rather than profits increasing?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:54 AM

"We could set up some three-day training courses for new doctors and nurses, taking recruits straight from the sixth form. I'm sure they'd pick up the tricks of the trade on the hoof."

Is that how you got into teaching?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:52 AM

Damn those question marks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:50 AM

And from that same article, Raggytash:

?Non-EU net migration (+205,000) is now larger than EU net migration (+90,000), mainly due to the large decrease in EU net migration? Net migration of EU citizens has fallen by 75,000 over the last year? For non-EU citizens net migration increased by 40,000 over the last year.?

So we've "taken back control" even though we haven't yet taken back control, and this is only the start. Thing is, we have no control over people deciding not to come here or deciding to leave the country. This at a time when there are over a hundred thousand unfilled jobs in the NHS. Any suggestions, brexiteers? Perhaps we can do what we did when Ofsted started in the 1980s. They trained up new school inspectors in three days. We could set up some three-day training courses for new doctors and nurses, taking recruits straight from the sixth form. I'm sure they'd pick up the tricks of the trade on the hoof.

Brexiteers...?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:47 AM

Buying goods in another Member State

There are no limits on what private persons can buy and take with them when they travel between EU countries, as long as the products purchased are for personal use and not for resale, with exception of new means of transport. Taxes (VAT and excise) will be included in the price of the products in the Member State of purchase and no further payment of taxes can be due in any other Member State.


Tobacco and alcohol

However, special rules apply in the case of goods subject to excise duty, such as alcoholic beverages and tobacco products. If a private person purchases such products in one Member State and takes them to another Member State, the principle that no excise duty has to be paid in the Member State of destination only applies if the goods are

    for the own use of the traveller and
    transported by himself.

But commercially:Excise duties are indirect taxes imposed on goods that damage consumer health or pollute the environment. The duties increase the price paid by the consumer, thereby discouraging the consumption or waste of the products concerned.

The general arrangements for movement and storage of goods subject to excise duty covers mineral oils, manufactured tobacco, alcohol and alcoholic beverages

Legislation on this issue can be categorised into the structure (taxable amount and event) and rates of excise duties

    Alcohol and alcoholic beverages ? structure and rates
    Manufactured tobacco
    Mineral oils
    Energy products and electricity

The rates set by the EU are minimum rates. EU countries can set their tax rates at higher levels suitable to their needs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:37 AM

That's amazing Dave, Import tariffs do exist. I'm sure someone on here claimed they didn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:23 AM

Rag, UK charges a duty and VAT on all wines.
Wines from outside EU also carry a Tariff. EU wines do not.
French producers are very concerned about losing that advantage if UK is denied free trade after Brexit.

They give the lie to Dave's claim that tariff savings are never passed on. Of course they are!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:14 AM

Duty:a consumption tax because it is imposed by the government on consumers.
Tariff:A form of duty or tax levied on goods for protective purposes and revenue purposes when they are transported from one customs area to another. It is also defined as a comprehensive list or schedule of merchandise or goods along with their prices which need to be paid for each item according to the regulations and rules of the government.

Read more: Difference Between Duty and Tariff | Difference Between http://www.differencebetween.net/business/finance-business-2/difference-between-duty-and-tariff/#ixzz57pnvVdyQ


Tu use either term in the context of the argument requires the terms be defined otherwise erroneous assumptions result.


http://www.differencebetween.net/business/finance-business-2/difference-between-duty-and-tariff/


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:42 AM

eh up Dave, you know those EU tariffs that are not imposed here, have a read of the attached article.



Wine Duties and Tariffs


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:37 AM

Dave,
Particularly the simple statement For the most part, an increase in cost, such as one caused by the imposition of a new tariff, is passed onto the final buyer, otherwise known as you and I

Likewise a reduction in costs, such as the removal of a tariff, is passed on to the final buyer, otherwise known as you and me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:31 AM

You dispute a statement, it is up to you to disprove it.

I have. EU goods enjoy a competitive advantage here because no tariff is applied and that saving is passed on.

You claim it never is.
That is bollocks Dave. You just made it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:23 AM

I am not justifying anything to you, Keith. You dispute a statement, it is up to you to disprove it. But you may wish to read The UK trade forum take on tariffs. Particularly the simple statement For the most part, an increase in cost, such as one caused by the imposition of a new tariff, is passed onto the final buyer, otherwise known as you and I

After you have read that, you may want to find something published in mainstream sources by an eminent person who is still alive giving us something good about brexit. But I doubt you will.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:06 AM

Thanks Nigel, but that would only apply to goods " goods originated outside the EU."

Tariffs make imports from outside EU more expensive.
When we leave such goods as food and clothing will not incur tariffs and will be cheaper.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:54 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM

Dave,
it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens.

Is that a fact or another of your vacuous whims Dave?
EU goods have a competitive advantage over non-EU imports because they do not incur tariffs.


Keith, sorry to appear to come in on the other side of the argument, but the above is an argument they also use. If we are purchasing from EU (except alcohol, tobacco & fragrances) we do not pay additional tariffs, but if the goods originated outside the EU, and enter the EU via a state other than UK, then any EU tariffs will already have been imposed, and hidden as a mark-up in the price we are paying. So although our bill for purchasing from EU may not show any tariff, it is there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:45 AM

Now for a brief interlude on weeds.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prevent-the-spread-of-harmful-invasive-and-non-native-plants


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM

Dave,
it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens.

Is that a fact or another of your vacuous whims Dave?
EU goods have a competitive advantage over non-EU imports because they do not incur tariffs.
Or so I thought!

Please justify your astonishing claim.
(I am not asking you to jump through a hoop, just to justify your claim.
That is a reasonable request in a discussion.
When you make the claim you raise the hoop for yourself.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:35 AM

From Laura K's blog on the Beeb news website.

...if very much is to move forward and be agreed it will either require, as one minister gently lamented, "the PM to actually make a decision", overtly, on her own position and force others along - or for others to budge.
One former minister described the situation as this: "If everyone is happy it's a fudge. If anything's genuinely decided someone has to be unhappy.
"Either Philip Hammond has to agree that he is signed up to divergence, or Boris Johnson has to agree that he can accept alignment, or, someone resigns."


What a great way to run a country. We're well stuffed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:20 AM

"That can only happen when shaw ceases to be a twat.
Do you think it within his limited capabilities?"
C'm on Iaians - not more of the same
I seldom, if ever agree with you, but even you have to be better than this
You're not even as good as your mentors - at least they made an effort to disguise their disdain for the rest of the world in a hard-coating of bullshit - you just pour out unskillful abuse, and have done from your earliest postings
And you accuse others of being "limited"
We're all prone to losing our rag but you have tried (and failed miserably) to make an art form of schoolyard-level abuse
You are neither interesting or amusing
A joke is a joke and you have become a very tiresome one
If you need a mentor - try Nigel - he at least seems to have put some thought into his arguments
Give yourself a break
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:19 AM

Anyway, to more important issues!
What is   the real corbyn? The mask is slipping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5420211/Corbyn-neither-thinks-nor-talks-like-politician.html

Do you people really want to support this creature


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:38 AM

"Is this really what now passes for intelligent discussion on this forum?
Time to move on to senior school, don'cha think?"


That can only happen when shaw ceases to be a twat.

Do you think it within his limited capabilities?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:34 AM

Time and time again these people are simply proving that there is no argument for brexit. All they can resort to is abuse, nitpicking and putting on a brave face.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:23 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains - PM
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:18 PM
"Schoolmaster Shaw appears to enjoy a level of literacy that poor Iains can only dream of (and that's not even bragging). Observe, Nigel:
"Sadly some adults can also be a naif."
Observe Idiot,
Naif a less common word for naive. adj. 1590s, from French naif, literally "naive". As a noun, first attested 1893, from French, where Old French naif also meant "native inhabitant; simpleton, natural fool."
So tell me shaw, you pretentious little fellow, which one are you?
a simpleton? or natural fool?"

Is this really what now passes for intelligent discussion on this forum?
Time to move on to senior school, don'cha think?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:12 AM

So today's the day when all will be revealed!

It might actually be the UK's preference.
Or it might be that the various sections of the Tory party finally prove they are irreconcilable.
Or it mihht be there is still another piece of fudge in the packet.

My money's on the last of these...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 07:05 PM

Nigel, I know he's your bosom buddy, but he used the wrong word. You know it, I know it,everyone else here (if they could be arsed to take an interest, which I hope they won't) knows it. Only Iains doesn't know it because he's a bit illiterate, as he's demonstrated over dozens of posts (yet he has the gall to criticise Jim!). Insidious yep. Invidious nein!

Gosh, what fun!


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