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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Raggytash Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:53 PM Sad little man isn't he. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Raggytash Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:57 PM Do you think he realises that all we do is take the piss out of his posts and laugh our socks off at his floundering about. When I've really nothing better to do I quite enjoy his delusional ineptitude. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 11 Nov 17 - 07:47 PM At last, something from Steve Shaw that I can agree with (in part) may think I'm bloody loopy. Come back and tell me that in nine months' time if you dare. Of course, the comment about "in nine months' time" is rather strange, as we don't escape from the EU until March 2019, so what "9 months" represents I've no idea. But I will agree that he's "loopy" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 11 Nov 17 - 07:55 PM From: Stu - PM Date: 10 Nov 17 - 08:16 AM Good news: The bloke that wrote Article 50 says it's reversible. We'll loose our rebate (I think) but they'll let us back in. There's a chink of light in the suffocating darkness of alt-right idiocy. Don't worry about the rebate. Tony Blair (Labour) already gave away part of it, in exchange for a promise of a review of the CAP (which never happened). That shows how much you can trust the EU! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 11 Nov 17 - 08:11 PM Nine months' time, Nigel (nothing to do with conception-to-birth, by the way, though you do appear to specialise in MISconceptions), refers to the time period after which even little Englanders such as yourself will finally admit that brexit is insane and that we'd better ditch the idea pdq. That's what. Opinions on that point are useless at this stage. Therefore, Nige, do refer back to me after the nine months. Next July, shall we say. You'll be eating shit by then, but I'll take no pleasure in your misery. We really are all in this together this time. Well, Nigel, unless you're not telling us something. Are you, perhaps, a non-dom, an offshore tax-dodger or Priti Patel in drag? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 12 Nov 17 - 02:45 AM The was an interesting article by Jonathan Freedland recently that is worth mulling over. One of the points he makes is that despite all the things that Leavers regard as disasterous |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 12 Nov 17 - 02:54 AM Sorry, long posts are a real problem on this phone. I will finish that later. In the meantime the article is still worth a read. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 12 Nov 17 - 03:18 AM Right, let's try again: There was an interesting article by Jonathan Freedland recently that is worth mulling over. One of the points he makes is that despite all the things that Remainers regard as disastrous, the support for Brexit has barely wavered. Within two weeks it is likely that the UK will have to agree to pay much more to the EU just to enable talks to start on trade, which crosses one of the 'red lines' for many Leavers, yet in all probability the support will continue unchanged; if anything the resolve of Leavers will be hardened. There is something in need explaining here. Gordon Brown, like Steve, suggests that by the middle of next year it will be obvious to all that none of the four objective of the Leave campaign will be met. But, if Freedman is right, and I think he is, the support for leaving will be as strong as ever. To see this, let me quote on of ake's post in full, because I think it indicates how many Brexiteers think: Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: akenaton - PM Date: 09 Nov 17 - 12:29 PM Latest appointment , Penny Mordant....a fine upstanding Brexiteer and a woman into the bargain! What is notable about that is there is not a hint of her ability to do the job, her experience, or her attitude to the department. No, the key factor of interest is that she is a Brexiteer. I am not picking on ake here: that does seem to be the normal response. And, to be fair, I think if someone supporting Remain had got the position, a lot of that side would see that as the key quality as well, rather than her ability. Certainly all of the media reporting would be "how does this change the balance?" So I think Steve and Gordon Brown are right that it will be obvious by mid next year that none of the leave objectives have been met. But I disagree that this will lead people to change their minds. Instead they will be more angry at the EU and more determined than ever to separate, whatever the cost. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: akenaton Date: 12 Nov 17 - 03:58 AM Thank you for the brief analysis of how I think "D".....did it have to be quite SO brief? :0) However I think your heart is in the right place...for a remainer! So I forgive you. I have always thought that there are so many ideological irons in the fire concerning Brexit, that we have no option other to walk away and "let them whistle". I still think it will come to that, as the remainers seem determined that the result of the referendum must be reversed. The govt of course are weakened by events, and frightened of the media especially "social media", which is turning into a weapon of mass destruction, in the hands of children. These boots were made for walkin'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: akenaton Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:10 AM BTW...is it only the word "Brexiteer" that you object to, or are "women" beyond reproach? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:30 AM I am not objecting to the Brexiteer reference, ake. I am just pointing out that of all her characteristics that was the highlight. I fully accept you pointed out she was a woman as well! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Nov 17 - 07:26 AM I read the Freedland piece before you posted it and wasn't surprised that polls show leavers still filled with resolve. That's referendums for you: they have the baleful effect hardening attitudes and polarising the country. The polls also reveal what we always knew, that the leave vote was largely predicated on the success of the leave campaign whipping up little England and instilling fear of foreigners. Those are the immovable rocks in the debate. The ghastly effects on the economy and on living standards creep up on us far more gradually and won't change minds very easily. Things have to get very bad in those regards before we sit up and take notice. Every day we are sold the massive Tory lie about their amazing achievements in creating jobs. The truth is that millions of those jobs are bogus self-employed, fake apprenticeships, temporary, part-time, seasonal or zero-hours. The good old "flexible jobs market," a euphemism for low pay, job insecurity and exploitation. The growth and productivity figures, far weaker than the Eurozone's, are obstinate testimony to that. The collapsed pound leading to inflation is another factor that is hard to blame on the brexit vote in the eyes of leavers: we get the Nigel-style cyclical adjustment argument. There's always an answer for adverse trends that can avoid blaming brexit, just as there are answers for global warming that ignore carbon emissions. The capacity for denial is legendary. But I'm predicting that that situation will change by around the middle of next year. The bad things will finally become undeniable upshots of that disastrous vote. We elect our politicians to act in the interests of this country. Among their ranks there are still a few clowns who think that brexit is a great idea. But this is too important to allow party politics to dictate events. We need our politicians to get honest and act in the interest of the country. That means a united front in ditching brexit. No more bloody referendums either. Just do the job we elected them to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Nov 17 - 07:31 AM By the way, when you say that the support for leaving will be as strong as ever, it's always worth boringly remembering that just over a third of the electorate voted to leave. It's a fair bet that a large proportion of those found it hard to make up their minds. So if the politicians finally wise up and ditch brexit I don't think we'll quite manage a bloody revolution. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 12 Nov 17 - 07:38 AM I agree with that, Steve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Nov 17 - 08:30 AM Pretty much sums it up, Steve. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Stanron Date: 12 Nov 17 - 03:05 PM Oh boy! If anyone wants an example of the new definition of 'echo chamber' they should read the posts in this thread between 02:45 AM and 08:30 0AM. Just because you all agree with each other doesn't mean you are right. I just watched the last half of the repeat of the Andrew Marr program. He was interviewing James Dyson. You know, the inventor and manufacturer of the eponymous vacuum cleaner. Guess what? He thinks it's time that the UK government walked away from the Brexit talks and embraced No Deal. Should I believe you lot or him? I think I'll believe him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:04 PM Sure, Stanron. You believe a man who abandoned this country long before there was any brexit talk. You and James Dyson would sound great singing Rule Britannia together in harmony. Why not go the whole hog and make a CD? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:49 PM Would that be the James Dyson who cares so much about this country and his British former workforce that he took his production facility away from the U.K. to Malaysia - all so that he could make more money? James Dyson doesn't care about the U.K., James Dyson cares about James Dyson. Just like the rest of the immensely wealthy cadre who are driving the U.K. towards the disaster of a hard Brexit - not because it's good for the country or its population, but because it's good for themselves? And they've successfully brainwashed the feeble-minded, easily-led suckers who support it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Iains Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:54 PM "You believe a man who abandoned this country long before there was any brexit talk" Your understanding of capitalism is of the same abysmal standard as most other things you pontificate on. Do you think he runs a charity like Oxfam or the RSPCA? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Nov 17 - 05:15 PM He abandoned the UK and took his business elsewhere. As far as I'm concerned, good riddance, and I don't want to hear his detestable views about brexit or anything else. I might even put my ancient DC-14 Animal on eBay. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Stanron Date: 12 Nov 17 - 05:26 PM He moved manufacturing production to Malasia in 2002. Tell me, Mr Shaw, who governed the UK in 2002? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Nov 17 - 05:33 PM What does 'who governed the U.K. in 2002' have to do with anything? Dyson moved his production to make more money, yet he has the brass neck to claim to be a 'patriot'. Patriot my arse. He's a greedy, two-faced cunt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Nov 17 - 05:43 PM Spot on, John. If I want to hear opinions about the UK, brexit and the UK economy, I'll listen to people who have a real stake in this country, not some charlatan who found that he could go overseas and pay his workforce a lot less money. There are plenty of business people in this country who want to stay in this country who are expressing severe disquiet about brexit without threatening us that they are thinking of doing a Dyson and buggering off. Those are the people who I'd ten times rather listen to, thank you very much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Stanron Date: 12 Nov 17 - 06:01 PM Oh. Are you saying that Dyson is not now a UK company and does not now pay UK taxes? Taxes that the likes of Amazon now avoids? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 12 Nov 17 - 06:44 PM I am just listening to the Andrew Marr show where James Dyson was interviewed. Afterwards, Micheal Gove was also interviewed and asked what he thought of James DYson's remarks. remarks. I quote "I can understand James' point of view but on this occasion I respectfully disagree with him." Ok, Stanron, cast your vote: Dyson or Gove? I am sure you can find a full recording on Catch-up or similar if you suspect I am misrepresenting what was said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Stanron Date: 12 Nov 17 - 07:25 PM The subject was Brexit. Dyson said "If you threaten to walk away the EU will give in". (OK thats not verbatim, it's approximate) He's been there. He's done it. I trust his word. Of course you don't. You are the liberal left. You want to see the UK fail. The UK as part of the EU, the anti democratic EU, the corrupt EU that has consistently failed to produce financial accounts, the dishonest EU that never revealed it's final destination as a United States of Europe because it knew that the people involved would not vote for that, the UK as subjugated to this regime is no longer Great Britain. That is exactly what you want. The Liberal Left has never escaped from being under the influence of the Communist theology of the 19th Century. It's like a destructive fungi at the heart of our society. It feeds on envy, inequality and wishful thinking. You can get power by making people feel cheated, but history proves that you can't improve people's lives by enslaving them. However, With one leap he was free. This still remains a possibility. Support Brexit. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 12 Nov 17 - 08:14 PM Have a nice cup of cocoa, Stanron. 😂 I don't give a monkey's fart about Dyson's taxes. I know nothing. But what he did do was to take thousands of jobs out of this country. He's walked away. He doesn't give a flying thingie whether the UK fails or not. But now he thinks he has a voice. Hey, Stanron, with fiends like him, who needs enemas. You seriously need to choose a slightly better cheerleader for brexit, old chap! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 13 Nov 17 - 02:06 AM "Oh. Are you saying that Dyson is not now a UK company and does not now pay UK taxes? Taxes that the likes of Amazon now avoids?" Did you ever actually attend English classes at school (assuming you ever went to school)? Who mentioned 'paying his taxes'? What we're discussing is taking jobs away from the U.K., away from the very British people he claims to care about, simply in order to pay lower wages and make more money. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 13 Nov 17 - 02:32 AM You still haven't commented on why Gove thought Dyson was wrong. Or is Gove part of the liberal left? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 13 Nov 17 - 02:36 AM Sorry, that should have been italicised, not underlined. Bloody primitive, mediaeval HTML!! 😳 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Thompson Date: 13 Nov 17 - 02:40 AM Those who don't mind whether corporations pay their taxes might like to watch this video. The title means "Silence: we're robbing a hospital" and the words at the end mean "When big businesses don't pay their fair share of taxes, they prevent access by the public to all basic public services, such as hospitals. And it is the poorest who are paying the price of it." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 13 Nov 17 - 04:15 AM Spot on, Thompson. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Iains Date: 13 Nov 17 - 04:35 AM Be nice if people just did a little basic research! http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/technology/dyson-uk-expansion-research/index.html I suggest the link below is studied where Mr Dyson is being discussed, and his tax payment. That means below the take on clot corbyn. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4899995/trevor-kavanagh-opinion-jeremy-corbyn-pm-popularity-contest/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Iains Date: 13 Nov 17 - 04:42 AM !/2 a billion tax. That pays for 12500 teachers. I would say that makes Mr Dyson a fairly useful member of society. I wonder how many teachers you need to give an equivalent tax take from their salaries? How many shaw clones? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Nov 17 - 04:56 AM From: Steve Shaw - PM Date: 12 Nov 17 - 08:14 PM Have a nice cup of cocoa, Stanron. 😂 I don't give a monkey's fart about Dyson's taxes. I know nothing. But what he did do was to take thousands of jobs out of this country. Interesting admission there, hidden away in the usual bile. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Nov 17 - 04:59 AM Now just sit back and wait for the usual insults and threats to |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 13 Nov 17 - 05:16 AM You really are a nasty little piece of work aren't you, Nigel. And good to see Iains still quoting that paragon of press virtue, The Scum. Must make the hearts of all Brexiteers swell with pride. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Nov 17 - 05:58 AM From: Dave the Gnome - PM Date: 13 Nov 17 - 05:16 AM You really are a nasty little piece of work aren't you, Nigel. No. But as you give no reason for your sudden unprovoked attack it is a little difficult for me to argue with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:13 AM Rag, Flatly contradicted :-) Are you bored professor No. Those articles did flatly contradict your claims about the growth figures. I made no comment about the currency, except that it had risen on the back of the excellent growth figures, as confirmed by those articles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:21 AM it is a little difficult for me to argue with it. Interesting admission there, hidden away in the usual bile. :D tG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Raggytash Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:24 AM You carrying on living in cloud cuckoo lounge professor. No skin off my nose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:26 AM Then identify what I got wrong in my post Rag. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Raggytash Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:38 AM You posted it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Iains Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:52 AM " I know nothing" This from a well educated scientist that does not distinguish between fact and fiction. Finally an admission from the sad fellow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 13 Nov 17 - 07:11 AM You posted it. Yes I did, and you can not identify anything wrong in anything I actually said. Despite that you responded, "Sad little man isn't he. " and "Do you think he realises that all we do is take the piss out of his posts and laugh our socks off at his floundering about. When I've really nothing better to do I quite enjoy his delusional ineptitude." Why. What did I say that was wrong? Nothing. You have no reply but vacuous abuse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: bobad Date: 13 Nov 17 - 07:12 AM scientist Lol........a teacher of science to school children who fancies himself a scientist. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Raggytash Date: 13 Nov 17 - 07:20 AM If you cannot figure it out for yourself I am not going to waste my time. I really have far better things to do today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Nigel Parsons Date: 13 Nov 17 - 07:29 AM From: Dave the Gnome - PM Date: 13 Nov 17 - 05:16 AM You really are a nasty little piece of work aren't you, Nigel. And good to see Iains still quoting that paragon of press virtue, The Scum. Must make the hearts of all Brexiteers swell with pride. DtG From: Nigel Parsons - PM Date: 13 Nov 17 - 05:58 AM From: Dave the Gnome - PM Date: 13 Nov 17 - 05:16 AM You really are a nasty little piece of work aren't you, Nigel. No. But as you give no reason for your sudden unprovoked attack it is a little difficult for me to argue with it. From: Dave the Gnome - PM Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:21 AM "it is a little difficult for me to argue with it." Interesting admission there, hidden away in the usual bile. :D tG No 'bile' in my post, and claiming the "It's a little difficult for me to argue with" is an admission, when I was responding to an unprovoked insult is a little steep even for the standards that some here use. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 13 Nov 17 - 07:34 AM Keep digging Nigel. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 13 Nov 17 - 08:20 AM Rag, If you cannot figure it out for yourself I am not going to waste my time. I really have far better things to do today. HA HA HA HA! So, you could point out errors but you choose not too! HA HA HA. If you could identify anything wrong in my posts you would. You can't. All you can do is post baseless, vacuous abuse. |