BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:14 AM

Duty:a consumption tax because it is imposed by the government on consumers.
Tariff:A form of duty or tax levied on goods for protective purposes and revenue purposes when they are transported from one customs area to another. It is also defined as a comprehensive list or schedule of merchandise or goods along with their prices which need to be paid for each item according to the regulations and rules of the government.

Read more: Difference Between Duty and Tariff | Difference Between http://www.differencebetween.net/business/finance-business-2/difference-between-duty-and-tariff/#ixzz57pnvVdyQ


Tu use either term in the context of the argument requires the terms be defined otherwise erroneous assumptions result.


http://www.differencebetween.net/business/finance-business-2/difference-between-duty-and-tariff/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:42 AM

eh up Dave, you know those EU tariffs that are not imposed here, have a read of the attached article.



Wine Duties and Tariffs

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:37 AM

Dave,
Particularly the simple statement For the most part, an increase in cost, such as one caused by the imposition of a new tariff, is passed onto the final buyer, otherwise known as you and I

Likewise a reduction in costs, such as the removal of a tariff, is passed on to the final buyer, otherwise known as you and me!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:31 AM

You dispute a statement, it is up to you to disprove it.

I have. EU goods enjoy a competitive advantage here because no tariff is applied and that saving is passed on.

You claim it never is.
That is bollocks Dave. You just made it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:23 AM

I am not justifying anything to you, Keith. You dispute a statement, it is up to you to disprove it. But you may wish to read The UK trade forum take on tariffs. Particularly the simple statement For the most part, an increase in cost, such as one caused by the imposition of a new tariff, is passed onto the final buyer, otherwise known as you and I

After you have read that, you may want to find something published in mainstream sources by an eminent person who is still alive giving us something good about brexit. But I doubt you will.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:06 AM

Thanks Nigel, but that would only apply to goods " goods originated outside the EU."

Tariffs make imports from outside EU more expensive.
When we leave such goods as food and clothing will not incur tariffs and will be cheaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:54 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM

Dave,
it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens.

Is that a fact or another of your vacuous whims Dave?
EU goods have a competitive advantage over non-EU imports because they do not incur tariffs.

Keith, sorry to appear to come in on the other side of the argument, but the above is an argument they also use. If we are purchasing from EU (except alcohol, tobacco & fragrances) we do not pay additional tariffs, but if the goods originated outside the EU, and enter the EU via a state other than UK, then any EU tariffs will already have been imposed, and hidden as a mark-up in the price we are paying. So although our bill for purchasing from EU may not show any tariff, it is there.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:45 AM

Now for a brief interlude on weeds.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/prevent-the-spread-of-harmful-invasive-and-non-native-plants

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:37 AM

Dave,
it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens.

Is that a fact or another of your vacuous whims Dave?
EU goods have a competitive advantage over non-EU imports because they do not incur tariffs.
Or so I thought!

Please justify your astonishing claim.
(I am not asking you to jump through a hoop, just to justify your claim.
That is a reasonable request in a discussion.
When you make the claim you raise the hoop for yourself.)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:35 AM

From Laura K's blog on the Beeb news website.

...if very much is to move forward and be agreed it will either require, as one minister gently lamented, "the PM to actually make a decision", overtly, on her own position and force others along - or for others to budge.
One former minister described the situation as this: "If everyone is happy it's a fudge. If anything's genuinely decided someone has to be unhappy.
"Either Philip Hammond has to agree that he is signed up to divergence, or Boris Johnson has to agree that he can accept alignment, or, someone resigns."

What a great way to run a country. We're well stuffed.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:20 AM

"That can only happen when shaw ceases to be a twat.
Do you think it within his limited capabilities?"
C'm on Iaians - not more of the same
I seldom, if ever agree with you, but even you have to be better than this
You're not even as good as your mentors - at least they made an effort to disguise their disdain for the rest of the world in a hard-coating of bullshit - you just pour out unskillful abuse, and have done from your earliest postings
And you accuse others of being "limited"
We're all prone to losing our rag but you have tried (and failed miserably) to make an art form of schoolyard-level abuse
You are neither interesting or amusing
A joke is a joke and you have become a very tiresome one
If you need a mentor - try Nigel - he at least seems to have put some thought into his arguments
Give yourself a break
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 04:19 AM

Anyway, to more important issues!
What is   the real corbyn? The mask is slipping.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-5420211/Corbyn-neither-thinks-nor-talks-like-politician.html

Do you people really want to support this creature

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:38 AM

"Is this really what now passes for intelligent discussion on this forum?
Time to move on to senior school, don'cha think?"

That can only happen when shaw ceases to be a twat.

Do you think it within his limited capabilities?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:34 AM

Time and time again these people are simply proving that there is no argument for brexit. All they can resort to is abuse, nitpicking and putting on a brave face.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:23 AM

"Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains - PM
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:18 PM
"Schoolmaster Shaw appears to enjoy a level of literacy that poor Iains can only dream of (and that's not even bragging). Observe, Nigel:
"Sadly some adults can also be a naif."
Observe Idiot,
Naif a less common word for naive. adj. 1590s, from French naif, literally "naive". As a noun, first attested 1893, from French, where Old French naif also meant "native inhabitant; simpleton, natural fool."
So tell me shaw, you pretentious little fellow, which one are you?
a simpleton? or natural fool?"
Is this really what now passes for intelligent discussion on this forum?
Time to move on to senior school, don'cha think?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:12 AM

So today's the day when all will be revealed!

It might actually be the UK's preference.
Or it might be that the various sections of the Tory party finally prove they are irreconcilable.
Or it mihht be there is still another piece of fudge in the packet.

My money's on the last of these...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 07:05 PM

Nigel, I know he's your bosom buddy, but he used the wrong word. You know it, I know it,everyone else here (if they could be arsed to take an interest, which I hope they won't) knows it. Only Iains doesn't know it because he's a bit illiterate, as he's demonstrated over dozens of posts (yet he has the gall to criticise Jim!). Insidious yep. Invidious nein!

Gosh, what fun!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:50 PM

And Nigel, in the mangled words of Mandy Rice-Davies, Iains would say that, wouldn't he? Don't be such a naif, Nige!
You mean he would confirm that the word he originally used in a properly constructed sentence: Personally I expect this division, coupled with the invidious advance of momentum, to totally destroy the labour party.

You may wish to consider me na?ve, but I consider that you have never given up the role of bullying schoolteacher.

Pointing out a wrongly used singular in a later sentence does nothing to support your point about the earlier sentence.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:05 PM

Here you are. A government of the land of hopelessness and inglory, scrabbling around hopelessly for scraps. From the Guardian tonight.

. Theresa May has been forced to reassure jittery Brexiters on her own back benches as her 11-strong Brexit inner cabinet prepared to assemble for an eight-hour away-day to thrash out a deal on Britain?s future relationship with the European Union.

After another day in which Conservative differences over Brexit were exposed, ministers were summoned to the PM?s country retreat of Chequers for talks scheduled to go on until 10pm on Thursday...

...During the transition period, the UK will effectively remain a member of the single market and the customs union under the jurisdiction of the European court of justice, but without any say in the EU?s rules.

Sources at the Department for Exiting the EU insisted officials were simply trying to force the European commission to justify its insistence that the transition period should end 21 months after Brexit day on 29 March 2019.

In practice, Britain also fears that it could end up paying more for a longer transition, which would extend into the EU?s next budget period. ?It?s only an issue of three months in reality, and will very likely prove too expensive to change,? said one cabinet minister.

Is that the good news we can expect to cling to? What a bloody shambles.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 05:44 PM

"Yes! The day gets ever closer, and that hopefully will finally stop your wittering!"

Come on Iains, just find one postive forecast about our future, the future of our children and grandchildren.

And please not the "freedom" that is alleged to have been shouted by William Wallace as his knackers were hacked off and burnt before him.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 05:13 PM

Saying that "some adults can also be a naif" is the same as saying that "some people can be an idiot." The Schoolteacher Shaw would far rather redraft the sentence into a sensible form of English, viz. "some people can be idiots." Plural with plural in harmony, Nige. "Some people are capable of being idiots" would be even better, but hey ho. And Nigel, in the mangled words of Mandy Rice-Davies, Iains would say that, wouldn't he? Don't be such a naif, Nige!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 05:02 PM

I see no ships!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:58 PM

I don't think the analogy of sailing headlong into danger without listening to warnings and ultimately it all ending in disaster is quite what you had in mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:42 PM

"Have you got any news of the iceberg?"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:39 PM

Yes! The day gets ever closer, and that hopefully will finally stop your wittering!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:20 PM

Iains, do you have any positive news to tell us about Brexit?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:18 PM

"Schoolmaster Shaw appears to enjoy a level of literacy that poor Iains can only dream of (and that's not even bragging). Observe, Nigel:

"Sadly some adults can also be a naif."

Observe Idiot,

Naif a less common word for naive. adj. 1590s, from French naif, literally "naive". As a noun, first attested 1893, from French, where Old French naif also meant "native inhabitant; simpleton, natural fool."

So tell me shaw, you pretentious little fellow, which one are you?
a simpleton? or natural fool?"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 04:04 PM

Hmmmmmmm I do not recall any of that long list of people posting to this thread.

One would gather from the above statement that I was referring to one individual as being utterly, utterly naive.

PS I am certain that is anyone wished to create a list of eminent people who voted to remain they could do so.

Any sign of any GOOD news yet .......................

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 03:59 PM

"It may be that Schoolmaster Shaw knows what Iains' intended meaning was better than Iains himself, but I very much doubt it!"

I don't doubt it. Schoolmaster Shaw appears to enjoy a level of literacy that poor Iains can only dream of (and that's not even bragging). Observe, Nigel:

"Sadly some adults can also be a naif."

The lack of comma and use of "can" are one thing. But, tell me, Nigel (no lightbulb-style joke intended here): how many adults does it take to constitute one "naif?"

Ah, how pretentiousness doth go before a fall! :-)

My comment was about your insistence that you knew that Iains intended the use of a word other than the one he originally used.

I then said that: I would imagine that we'll get clarification from Iains at some point. But even if he confirms that he always intended to use 'invidious' I doubt that that will be enough to convince you.

As Iains has confirmed that he chose his word correctly, you were wrong in your assertion, and I was right that you would not accept the fact.

'Schoolmaster Shaw' demonstrates again his failure to accept facts.
Or is it just that you assume that others will follow your guide in using words they don't mean as they can later retract them as 'mere whimsy'?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 03:06 PM

"Funny that all the major news sources carry the sordid little tale then,"
Is it really - have you been following the shit that's been slung at Corbyn since he took office
"From your faithful sleuth hound Guido"
Thank you for underlining my point - yet another right-wing conspiracy theorist
What planet do you occupy?
You've been linked to the author of this report - a right wing extremist nutter
"They are strangers to me Jim, but enough information is given to make it foolish to dismiss any of them as naïve.
That was my point."
And teh rest of us
We could spend the rest of our lives linking to different people for or againt Beexit - it is meaningless shit
Yoy make your point by addressing the situation as it sastans, not telling us who supports it
Most of the economics establishment have been horrified since the decision was taken - are they a naive bunch of morons?
You've nebver rally got to grips with what debating is about - have you
With you, it's a matter of hastily shuffling through the net until you find something that looks about right
I swear you don't even read it yourself before you post it
Address the facts - nobody needs lists of unknowns
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 02:42 PM

Good gracious. One of the crew trying to avoid answering a simple question by harping on about Jeremy Corbyn accusing someone of squirming. I have not seen such wriggling since Wrigley McWrigle took to the slopes in the men's slalom. I must say, I didn't see that one coming.

The other point about that news DMcG is that it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens. The only people to benefit will be the shakers and movers. Joe Public will be paying the same for inferior products. As ever.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 02:13 PM

"It has been established from your previous posting that this story originates from an extremist right-wing conspiracy theorist Iains"

Funny that all the major news sources carry the sordid little tale then, is it not? Even the Gruniard and BBC repeat the story, both being hotbeds of the retard, libtard, remoaner fraternity.

The allegations are fact - substantiation, like brexit, is perhaps a future event.
Terrible things facts. that is why remoaners shy away from them, they destroy your narrative (always)

Below is a link describing Labour as the Stasi's useful idiots
From your faithful sleuth hound Guido
https://order-order.com/2018/02/21/read-in-full-stasi-file-on-british-labour-party/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/20/britain-in-a-stir-over-accusation-that-labour-leader-jeremy-corbyn-

squirm - squirm -squirm!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 01:57 PM

"It may be that Schoolmaster Shaw knows what Iains' intended meaning was better than Iains himself, but I very much doubt it!"

I don't doubt it. Schoolmaster Shaw appears to enjoy a level of literacy that poor Iains can only dream of (and that's not even bragging). Observe, Nigel:

"Sadly some adults can also be a naif."

The lack of comma and use of "can" are one thing. But, tell me, Nigel (no lightbulb-style joke intended here): how many adults does it take to constitute one "naif?"

Ah, how pretentiousness doth go before a fall! :-)

Anyhow, to listen to the news today you'd think that the hubris-ridden brexiteers actually have some control over the length and conditions of the transition period. They don't. We will comply with the wishes of the EU more or less in full, you'll see. And we will lose the power of veto into the bargain. Oh happy days. But no-one dares to make any move that would threaten Theresa May. No Theresa, no brexit is the Tory thinking. We are a laughing stock.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 01:44 PM


The problem of one country being able to easily offload dodgy goods onto another country is made easier by a 'common market'.

That is one way of looking at it. I would say it is the absence of border checks and failure to meet agreed standards that make it easy. Those may be features of a common market, but are not limited to common markets.

So do you want us to have border checks on food? And do you want us to be able to insist on higher food standards than those given in the article, 'race to the top' style?

By the way, there is some 'good news' in a forecast just out from the 'Economists for Free Trade' which predicts a financial benefit of leaving Brexit. Just a few problems with that:

- our Leavers dismiss all forecasting, so they are logically obliged to dismiss this one as well
- it assumes zero costs of borders, so no way to monitor if that bad food turns up at the border.
- it tolerates the collapse of the UK food market and other sectors if the US and other undercut it. In previous forecasts one of the authors thought this inevitable.
- all of the authors are from the 'Economists for Free Trade' group, so it will be hard to demonstrate this is impartial.

And, as it happens, their assumptions are not compatible with the position paper given to Parliament today, at least in the short term, or, since it is effectively a 'Singapore style' approach, with Davis' latest statements.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 01:42 PM

There is no news Dave.
It has not happened yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:54 PM

Sorry that should have been 4 out of 4. None of them have given us any good news. I am 33% better than I first thought:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:51 PM

3 out of 3! I am the predictionmeister:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:44 PM

They are strangers to me Jim, but enough information is given to make it foolish to dismiss any of them as naïve.
That was my point.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:42 PM

Keith
Re your long list
I have little doubt that each and every one of them are as nmuch strangers to you as they are to the rest of us
Rather than scoop names up from the net, how about addressing the damage done so far - the racism, the destabilised economy, the deal with parties with terrorist links..... right down to the fact that the Government carried out no study on what would happen if Britain left Europe
An all-round fuck-up, whoever supports it
Any eejit can cut-'n-paste links - as you are constantly proving
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:35 PM

Jim,
"expelled for using offensive anti-Semitic term "zio""
Don't see any reference to the Jewish people there Keith

"Zio" is clearly recognised as an anti-Semitic term of abuse by the Labour Party and the Daily Mirror, hence the headline.

Universally actually.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:30 PM

"I'm sure you remember fairly recent cases of UK supermarket suppliers re-labelling food which was past its sell by dates and reintroducing it into stock."
OLDEST TRICK in the BOOK NIGEL
Nothing whatever to do with Europe
"Who is a silly boy for omitting the link? "
It has been established from your previous posting that this story originates from an extremist right-wing conspiracy theorist Iains
No harm in trying to pass it off as fact again, I suppose
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:30 PM

Rag,
Oh no we have no evidence to support this, no, no evidence at all but we know it is the best path.
Utterly, utterly naive.

Here are some more of the millions who voted and still support Leave.
They may be proved wrong, but only a fool would dismiss them all as naïve.
Only a fool Rag.

Professor Gwythian Prins, Emeritus Research Professor, London School of Economics, visiting academic professor, École Spéciale Militaire de Saint-Cyr
Dr Philip Towle, Emeritus Reader in International Relations, and former Director of the Centre of International Studies, Cambridge

Sir Andrew Wood, former UK Ambassador to Yugoslavia and to Russia, and currently Associate Fellow, Russia and Eurasia Programme, Chatham House.
Philip Cunliffe Senior Lecturer in International Conflict, University of Kent.
Lord Maurice Glasman is a Labour Peer and political theorist and Director of the Common Good Foundation
Professor Robert J. Jackson is Distinguished Professor at Carleton University Ottawa and Emeritus Fletcher Jones Professor of International Relations at the University of Redlands, California.
Jonathan Rutherford, writer and political adviser, is Emeritus Professor of Cultural Studies, Middlesex University
Professor Richard Tuck, FBA, Frank G. Thomson Professor of Government at Harvard
Professor David Abulafia, FBA, is Professor of Mediterranean History, Cambridge
Professor Robert Colls, Professor of Cultural History at De Montfort University
Sir Noel Malcolm, FBA, is a Senior Research Fellow at All Souls’ College, Oxford
Andrew Roberts, Historian and biographer. Lehrman Institute Distinguished Fellow at the New York Historical Society and Visiting professor at the War Studies Department, Kings College London
Dr. Daniel Robinson, international history, Fellow of Magdalen College, University of Oxford, formerly Senior Policy Adviser to the Minister for the Cabinet Office on the Union and Devolution in the aftermath of Brexit.
Professor Jonathan Rutherford, writer, political adviser and Emeritus Professor of Cultural Studies, Middlesex University and co-founder of Blue Labour
Dr Peter Sarris Reader in Late Roman, Medieval and Byzantine History, Cambridge
Prof David Coleman, Professor of Demography, University of Oxford Institute of Population Aging.
Pamela Dow, formerly director of strategy at the Ministry of Justice, now chief reform officer, Catch22
Dr Joanna Williams, author and academic. Education Editor of Spiked magazine. Author of Academic Freedom in an Age of Conformity (Palgrave/McMillan)
Dr Ian Winter is a senior lecturer in the Department of Physiology, Development and Neuroscience, Cambridge

Dr Graham Gudgin Economist, Centre for Business Research, Judge Business School University of Cambridge
Professor Robert Tombs Emeritus Professor of French History, University of Cambridge
Sir Richard Aikens, QC, is a former member of the Court of Appeal, and has served as Vice President of the Council of Europe’s Consultative Council of European Judges
Baroness Ruth Deech, former chair of the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority, and former Principal of St Anne’s College, Oxford
Dr. Richard Ekins, Associate Professor in Law, St. Johns College, University of Oxford.
Professor Carol Harlow, QC, FBA, Emeritus Professor of Law at the London School of Economic
Professor Guglielmo Verdirame, Professor of International Law King’s College, London
Mr. Alexander Darwall, Jupiter Fund Management.
Sir Paul Marshall, Marshall Wace, Chairman of ARK Schools
Mr Rory Maw, Bursar, Magdalen College, Oxford
Dame Helena Morrissey. Head of Personal Investing. Legal and General Investment Management. Formerly Chief Executive, Newton Investment Management.
Professor Paul Ormerod, economist at Volterra Partners, a Visiting Professor at the UCL Centre for
Mr.Edmond Truell, Disruptive Capital Finance, London
Professor Nigel Biggar, Regius Prof of Moral and Pastoral Theology, and Canon of Christ Church, University of Oxford
Professor Paul Elbourne, Professor of the Philosophy of Language, Magdalen College, Oxford University
Dr James Orr McDonald Post-Doctoral Fellow in Theology, Ethics and Public Life, Christchurch College, University of Oxford
Dr. Tom Simpson, philosophy of public policy, Blavatnik School, University of Oxford
Professor John Tasioulas, Director of the Yeoh Tiong Lay Centre for Politics, Philosophy, and Law, King’s College, London
Dr Philip Cunliffe, Senior Lecturer in International Conflict, University of Kent
Sir Richard Dearlove, former head of the Secret Intelliegence Service, former master of Pembroke College, Cambridge, and Chair of the Trustees, University of London
Mr John Forsyth, former member of the Council of the Royal Institute for International Affairs and Centre of International Studies, Cambridge
Dr Lee Jones, Reader in International Politics, Queen Mary, University of London
Sir Peter Marshall, retired FCO, former Assistant Sec-Gen of Commonwealth

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:28 PM

the rise of racism in Europe today

Would this be what you're referring to?

The largest number of anti-Semitic incidents in the European Union in 2016 was registered in Germany (1468) and Britain (1308), followed by Austria (477), the Netherlands (428), France (355) and Sweden (277).

The European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights is a Vienna-based body. It aims to help ensure that the fundamental rights of people living in the EU are protected

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:15 PM

http://www.theweek.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn/91802/jeremy-corbyn-rejects-spy-story-with-chilling-media-threat
Who is a silly boy for omitting the link? Might be accused of making things up without it!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:12 PM

" It can be found in todays Guardian and makes very poor reading."

If it is poor reading there is little point in bothering - We will take your word for it.

This article below however is worth reading. Corbyn's response to allegations about his links with spies is to threaten the freedom of the press.
Rather makes you think he may have something to hide doesn't it?
As a commentator aptly said:
"Corbyn doesn?t understand that it is the role of the press to criticise and, yes, mock politicians,
but it is never the role of politicians to threaten the press.

That a Labour leader cares so little for the radical historic struggle for this press freedom is deeply disturbing...."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:10 PM

Raggytash.
Ok. America has problems.

I'm sure you remember fairly recent cases of UK supermarket suppliers re-labelling food which was past its sell by dates and reintroducing it into stock.

Also the scandal of beef sourced from elsewhere in the EU which included a proportion of horse meat.

I'm not claiming the Americans are blameless, but if you look closer to home you'll find problems as well.

The problem of one country being able to easily offload dodgy goods onto another country is made easier by a 'common market'. Even so I didn't object to us joining a 'common market', but I never wanted that to be the means of moving toward a super-state.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:03 PM

"expelled for using offensive anti-Semitic term "zio""
Don't see any reference to the Jewish people there Keith
"No, Keith did not raise the lie of ethnic cleansing - that was you."
Keith brought antisemitism into it - he lied
Enough - take it to the other thread as requested
It should never have been here in the first place - antisemitism or the imagined crimes of the About party have SFA to do with Brexit - unless, of course, you wish to join me in pointing out that the racism on the rise of racism in Europe today is a direct result of the incitement to race hatred to push through Brexit
I'm sure neither of you do
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 12:00 PM

Or can you tell us of the 'research into the consequences' (of remaining) that you based your vote on?

Funnily enough, Nigel, yes I can. Firstly, even without predictions, we can take it as a fact that we would have remained part of the largest mutual trading organisation in the word. My children and grandchildren would have remained free to live and work anywhere in Europe. The NHS and businesses would not have to worry about staff levels. And lots more facts

Nope. You're telling me what beliefs you based your vote on. Claiming them as facts is not providing "research into the consequences" which is what remain voters here are asking the leavers to provide.

How long has staffing been a problem with the NHS?
If we had not voted leave, would the NHS now not be worrying about staffing levels? I somehow doubt it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 11:52 AM

Dave,
There has been no research into the consequences yet you still voted for it.

Not just me. Millions of us read all the dire predictions and decided it was still worth having.
The majority in fact.

Jim,
Brexit opened the doors to the rise of fascism

Read what the real hard Left activists like Lindsay German say about it.

"The other is to look at the reality which is the EU. It is not the antithesis of Brexit Britain, but an institution which is driving and reinforcing many of the problems across Europe, from the refugee crisis to worsening work conditions, to a growing militarism. While it is continuing to penalise Greece, it turns a blind eye to far-right politics in Poland and Hungary, and looks like endorsing the return of Silvio Berlusconi in next month?s Italian election.
It is exactly the politics put forward by Corbyn which can provide an alternative to the neoliberalism which dominates Europe. The EU leaders are united in opposing these politics and in doing everything they can to prevent them from succeeding."

Jim,
Daily mirror headline,
Labour party activist 'with history of noxious behaviour' expelled for using offensive anti-Semitic term "zio"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 11:25 AM

Keith raised the false story - it's been dealt with

No, Keith did not raise the lie of ethnic cleansing - that was you.