BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:39 PM

Not feeding him - just taunting him Baccy - a girl's got to have a bit of fun now and then!
Thanks for your concern though
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 01:18 PM

Ignore the hoops. Don't feed the troll.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:51 PM

I do not support him, just challenging another of your lies Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 12:07 PM

Who let that "I'm not a" Ukip supporter in here ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 11:21 AM

Farfge's promises to rid Britain of foreigners

Farage has never promised any such thing.
He wants immigration to continue but more controlled.
He has not suggested any but illegal immigrants should be removed.

I do not defend him, just challenging another of your lies Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 08:36 AM

In fairness - this action was taken directly because of much earlier legislation passed by Theresa May - who has now retreated smeared with egg from her face to her Gucci shoes
Brexit will only make it worse when the Brexiteers start to demand that the Government lives up to Farfge's promises to rid Britain of foreigners
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:59 AM

Fallout from Brexit seems to be an attempt to either deport or deprive the rights of 'The Windrush' immigrants who came to Britain 60 years ago
What a shitty racist place Britain is becoming
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:43 AM

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:24 AM

Is it your case that the nerve agent incident in Salisbury and the poison gas attack in Syria were just ruses to distract from Brexit?

Please clarify what exactly you are suggesting Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:21 AM

Nothing about a war there.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:00 AM

First up

Plenty more where that came from.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 06:43 AM

What war with Russia Dave?
That is a false claim rather than an extreme one.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 05:37 AM

It is the British military Industrial complex girding it's loins for the task ahead and impacting directly the value of the pound.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:51 AM

"With worries about a disorderly exit from the EU next year pushed into the background"

I think it is a bit much to distract people about brexit by embarking on a war with Russia but I suppose that is an extremist view.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 04:40 AM

Good news today on currency and the economy.

Reuters,
"Business NewsApril 17, 2018 / 1:50 AM / Updated 8 hours ago
British pound hits post-Brexit referendum high"
TOKYO (Reuters) - The British pound rose to $1.4355 on Tuesday, hitting its highest level since the Brexit referendum in June 2016, supported by hopes of a better Brexit deal and expectations of a central bank rate hike. "

"Foreign Exchange Analysis April 17, 2018 / 7:46 AM / Updated 29 minutes ago
Sterling climbs to highest since Brexit vote in June 2016
LONDON (Reuters) - Sterling on Tuesday soared to its highest level since Britain’s vote to leave the European Union in June 2016, boosted by expectations that strong earnings data will seal the deal for a Bank of England interest rate hike and broad dollar weakness."

"With worries about a disorderly exit from the EU next year pushed into the background, and seasonal inflows from foreign companies sending dividend payments to British shareholders, investors have added to their pound positions."

"The pound gained 0.2 percent to $1.4371, beating a previous post-Brexit-vote high set in January."

"Workers’ total earnings are expected to rise by an annual 3 percent in the three months to February, according to a Reuters poll of economists. "


"Inflation figures due Wednesday have the potential to boost sterling further.
Against the euro, sterling traded flat at 86.35 pence per euro and close to 11-month highs. "

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sterling-markets/sterling-climbs-to-highest-since-brexit-vote-in-june-2016-idUKKBN1HO0OE

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 04:12 AM

I know that many people who voted remain do not think we should have another referendum. However given that we all have much more information today than we did in June 2016 another vote may be the way forward. An article out today argues this point.


Brexit Bad News

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 04:06 AM

That's an interesting one, Iains, because it is about the sovereignty of the member countries of the EU. And for many leave supporters they thought the EU had too much sovereignty so it seems odd they think it should have more for Spain.

And the good old bendy banana misrepresentation again. Ah, nostalgia!

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There was supposed to be an important "stock taking" meeting in Brussels today, but has been postponed for a week, I understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 06:07 PM

The great european game of happy families is encountering a few hiccups.

https://www.rt.com/news/424222-barcelona-protest-independence-leaders/

“Europe has achieved peaceful political union for the first time ever: They're using this unprecedented state of affairs to harmonize the curvature of bananas.”
? Charles Stross, Accelerando

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 10:36 AM

The Independent,
"(Lloyd Blankfein)The long-serving Goldman boss said he was wrong about the immediate of effects of the Brexit vote on the economy.
“Cassandra hasn’t been proved right,” he said.
“Some people would say, ‘hasn’t been proved right, yet’.”
He added: “I’m at least wrong in that I thought there would have been a worse outcome by now.”
The UK economy had “surprised on the upside”, he said, referring to better-than-expected economic data that has come since the June 2016 referendum."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:34 AM

A bit of light relief for those fed up of picking holes in other peoples posts

See 20 years of FAKE NEWS about EU by UK press.

Some other good ones on that site if you fancy a bit of a laugh and some truthful analysis :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:07 AM

I was wondering whether this could be "the thin end of the wedge" and whether animal rights organisations could/will use it to further their objectives.

Just a thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:01 AM

Even the "for further fattening" would not include racehorses being sent to race, or animals being sent for breeding (except by an exceptional reading of fattening).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:17 AM

True enough Nigel but the report does go on to say:

“It’s unacceptable and completely unnecessary that live animals are exported and transported over long distances for slaughter OR FURTHER FATTENING,” he said. “We would like to see live exports from the UK banned and a maximum journey time of eight hours introduced. This is a chance to end the practice for good and we look forward to contributing to the review.” (my capitals)

So it's not just for slaughter.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 05:04 AM

To quote the first line of the linked article (from the Guardian):
The UK could impose a ban on the export of live animals for slaughter after Brexit, according to Michael Gove.

Does that make it any clearer?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:41 AM

I think it applies to food animals, Raggy, and I would imagine that allowance will be made for race horses. I think, in general, they are pretty well taken care of and do not suffer the stresses of the type the ban is aimed at eliminating.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 04:29 AM

Allow me to muddy the waters if I may, one of the suggestions is that journey times for animals is limited to 8 hours and on the surface that seem reasonable. So far, so good.

Now, I am not a horse racing fan, nor even a gambler, but if the horses are limited to 8 hours transport what will be the effect on horse-racing. The little I know about horse-racing tells me that some race meeting, such as Cheltenham, have many overseas horses competing.

What will happen to exporting animals for breeding? Not quite as straight forward as it first appears.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:59 AM

Yes, that is good news, Nigel. Thank you. The fly in the ointment is Gove the viper. I would not believe anything he says but, hopefully, someone with more integrity will run with this.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 03:49 AM

Live animal export ban

Would this come under the heading of 'good news' which some posters keep asking for?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 02:15 AM

I would put this as positive news for Brexit except that like the shop discussions we can't isolate how much it is Brexit and how much is other factors.

And I would also recognise many would not think it good news at all.

South east housing market under pressure

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:49 PM

She wasn't wearing jeans or dungarees when I imagined her ......

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 05:27 PM

Make your mind up what it was, Iains. Get to the bottom of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 01:41 PM

There was a definite something about Felicity Kendall, especially in dungarees, in the Good Life.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 01:20 PM

One of my favourite playwrights Tom Stoppard is - I have seen several of his plays.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 11:01 AM

The playwright who was married to well known TV doctor Miriam Stoppard? Well I never. Not a name i have heard in some years. He went off with Felicity Kendall who I also remember fondly for some reason :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:46 AM

A quick google attributes the quote about words to Tom Stoppard.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:32 AM

Nice, Iains. Is it an original or someone else? Wise words either way. No pun intended :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:28 AM

“Words... They're innocent, neutral, precise, standing for this, describing that, meaning the other, so if you look after them you can build bridges across incomprehension and chaos. But when they get their corners knocked off, they're no good any more... I don't think writers are sacred, but words are. They deserve respect. If you get the right ones in the right order, you can nudge the world a little or make a poem which children will speak for you when you're dead.”

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:27 AM

Rising prices eh, I wonder what may have caused that.

Yes. Prices have never risen before 2016 have they!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:11 AM

Fair enough, Nigel. I will just put it down to that different language thing. You say tomato and I say either or whatever it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 10:00 AM

And "the fall of the pound after Brexit" is not the same as "the fall of the pound caused by Brexit". 

A delighful clarification!

True, they are not the same. But they are not independent either.   We have had a good series of major announcements now and they are all surrounded by reports of 'pound rises/falls in expection of/following a Brexit announcement."

It should be no surprise to anyone that votes and announcements have effects. Analysing what proportions due to what is more difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:54 AM

but once someone explains, in depth, what was meant, why keep going on about it?
Because some peoples 'clarifications' do nothing to clarify any link between what was said and what was meant.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:53 AM

Quite True Iains, the Mail piece does not mention the pound falling, (we can guess at why that is) but it does say "The UK's high streets are continuing to suffer with 16 shops closing every day thanks to a combination of rising prices and more customers buying on line"

In truth it does not mention Brexit or the pound in any way, how very strange. I would not refer to the article as analysis by the way, gilding the lily somewhat to do so.

Rising prices eh, I wonder what may have caused that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:29 AM

I think it is as well to understand that peoples understanding of what is being said varies. While I fully understand what Raggy is on about and vice-versa I sometimes have problems with what Iains and Nigel actually mean. I don't believe either is right or wrong, just different, but once someone explains, in depth, what was meant, why keep going on about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:22 AM

"And "the fall of the pound after Brexit" is not the same as "the fall of the pound caused by Brexit".

A delighful clarification!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:33 AM

The article makes it quite clear, well it does to you and I Dave, that the fall of the pound after Brexit was ONE of the factors involved.
The article may make it clear. Your additions merely muddy the waters.
And "the fall of the pound after Brexit" is not the same as "the fall of the pound caused by Brexit".

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 08:17 AM

Hey ho!
Below we have analysis of the high street closures. Rather makes rubbish of the claimed brexit effect!

and it is in the daily wail as well.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5602733/High-Street-losing-16-shops-day-thanks-rising-costs.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 07:49 AM

Causality?

I thought it was a BBC drama on Saturday nights.

Joking aside, it is patently obvious that both Raggy and the article are saying that brexit is PART of the cause. I thought that was clear but maybe comprehension should also be a required field?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 07:34 AM

causality.

    the relationship between cause and effect.

Obviously a required field of study for some!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:56 AM

4400! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 06:46 AM

The article makes it quite clear, well it does to you and I Dave, that the fall of the pound after Brexit was ONE of the factors involved.