BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:58 AM

DMcG, a camera is physical infrastructure and drones could perform no useful border function.

There is already a currency border and a VAT border, but invisible.
We do not need a visible border and UK will not make one.

Do you think we would want to know if they have crossed the border or not?

Of course, as we do now with a soft, invisible border.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:58 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 09:37 AM
There is a bit of sleight of hand by the way on this idea that we don't have a border but the EU do.
Imagine the situation that some crime has been committed in NI and the criminals escaped. Do you think we would want to know if they have crossed the border or not? Would you be content if the EU declined to tell us because it is "their hard border"?

The EU, generally, doesn't have internal borders. This is the Schengen Area.
UK & Ireland are not parts of the Schengen Area.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 10:24 AM

True, Nigel but i was referring to Keith's (and others elsewhere) idea that we set up a soft border but the EU immediately builds a hard one alongside. I foresee problems and gave one example.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 10:27 AM

Jim, if I did say that (I don't remember), I was being sarcastic: it wasn't me calling people plebs, it was me characterising the leavers as treating people like gullible plebs. I can be a bit subtle for some of these eejits, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 10:29 AM

Thanks Keith. So to be clear you say May has said no cameras?

I mentioned those and drones, by the way, because we proposed them...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 11:09 AM

"it wasn't me calling people plebs, "
Didn't believe you did for a minute Steve, but Keith appears to believe you did and thanks that your view makes a point he is unable to make otherwise (any port in a sinking ship - to mix metaphors)
"We do not need a visible border and UK will not make one."
Whose word do we have for that and what's their track record on getting things right and keeping promises - would you buy a used car from them or be happy if your sister married one??
These people are lying crooks whose existence is bases on fooling all of the people all of the time.
That's what Parliamentary Democracy is nowadays, if it wasn't always
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 11:10 AM

Sorry, I may have misremembered that. I apologise if I confused discussion with the final proposal.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 11:29 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 10:27 AM
Jim, if I did say that (I don't remember), I was being sarcastic: it wasn't me calling people plebs, it was me characterising the leavers as treating people like gullible plebs. I can be a bit subtle for some of these eejits, you know.
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 07:48 PM
So, Nige, you accepted the lie propagated by your side. And didn't say anything. Well, at least I don't recall you saying anything. But why would you care? As long as the plebs swallowed it hook, line and sinker and voted leave. What else mattered, Nige?

Yes, you did make that statement.
Just your usual tactic of changing your mind, or blaming others for not understanding what you meant, or just claiming that it was just 'whimsy', or sarcasm.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 12:14 PM

Steve, is Backwoodsman right to keep calling them "feeble-minded?"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 12:22 PM

Jim,
"We do not need a visible border and UK will not make one."
Whose word do we have for that ?

The Prime Minister of Great Britain and Northern Ireland stated in her internationally reported Florence speech to an audience of EU leaders in September that the UK "will not accept any physical infrastructure at the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic."

Politicians do lie, but if they are caught in a lie they have to resign from office.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 01:22 PM

A perfect example of feeble-mindedness (and childishness, for that matter), is the person who constantly tries to set 'traps' for others, but does in a way that makes it blindingly obvious what the game is. Subtlety really isn't your suit is it, Prof?

It's also extremely feeble-minded to ask one person to justify or agree with something said by another person. Whether Steve, or anyone else, agrees with my view or not makes not the faintest iota of difference to that view, so trying to trap him that way is just...feeble-minded. Don't waste your time trying to catch him out, Professor, you're not in his league intellectually.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 01:40 PM

"Politicians do lie, but if they are caught in a lie they have to resign from office."
You are joking of course
Parliament would have gone out of existence centuries ago had that been the case
You now have three contradictory positions Britain and North and Southern Ireland.
How is that (politician's) promise going to be honoured
How stupid can you get?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 01:51 PM

Politicians do lie, but if they are caught in a lie they have to resign from office.

On the platet,Zog, perhaps.

Now there's tRUMP & there was Thatcher.....

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 01:55 PM

" they have to resign from office."
The threat of Maggie May resigning is nearly as risible as your suggestion that politicians don't like in public
I haven't the slightest doubt that as soon as it's safe to do so, her own party will drop her as quickly as they would a warm turd - is is well known that she is considered a liability that is only kept in office to avoid yet another embarrassment (and, as it stands at present, any replacement would be as bad, if not worse than she is).
You seem not to realise the seriousness of the border issue - It could set the Peace Process back forty years and direct rule from London stands to light the match to a massive conflagration
Feckin' right-wing British politicians - drown them all in the nearest bucket, I say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:27 PM

Why has your government NOT decided how close they intend to remain with the European Union? Its 'Big been' awhile.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:43 PM

That's the question the whole of the 48% and, I'd guess, a significant proportion of the 52% (those who are actually capable of working 'stuff' out) are asking too, Don.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:45 PM

The Brexit impact documents are back in play. It's all go, isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 03:47 PM

Sorry, pressed 'Go' a bit too soon...

...but the feeble-minded element seem happy just to think about what to call their soon-to-arrive pet unicorn, whilst the bunch of incompetent fuckwits on our 'negotiation' team chug along towards the cliff-edge.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:58 PM

Do I think John's right to call them feeble-minded? Why are you asking me that? I never used the expression! I make up my own pejoratives! Of course he's right! John's right about everything all the time! Same as me, Jim, Dave, Raggytash and Greg! We cannot be wrong! We speaketh ex cathedra! And you are always wrong! Nigel is always wrong! Iains is always wrong!

Next bloody silly question, please, Keith...

As for poor, poor Nigel:

Steve sez:

"So, Nige, you accepted the lie propagated by your side. And didn't say anything. Well, at least I don't recall you saying anything. But why would you care? As long as the plebs swallowed it hook, line and sinker and voted leave. What else mattered, Nige?"

Nigel sez:

"Yes, you did make that statement."

Steve sez:

Yes, Nigel, I certainly did!

But Nigel then unfortunately sez:

"Just your usual tactic of changing your mind, or blaming others for not understanding what you meant, or just claiming that it was just 'whimsy', or sarcasm."

But. Nigel darling, you must be the only person on this planet (bar one or two I happen to know who take things so literally that they have been placed on the autism spectrum) who would take that quote to mean that it's me calling people plebs. Nigel, that is me mockingly mimicking the voices of leave campaigners. You, your side, read it again, geddit? The lie propagated by your side, you and your lying brexit mates, which you thought the plebs would swallow. You thought they were plebs, not me, 'twas you and your disreputable, lying leave side. You've defended the people who told those lies and you've defended the result. As a matter of fact I hold no candle for the remain side either, who equally took people for fools. I've castigated both sides again and again on this forum. It was never me taking people for suckers. It was always me railing against the lying, undemocratic bastards on both sides in the campaign. So just go and take a running jump, Nigel, and try to make an honest man of yourself for a change. I'm as straight as a die. If you want to behold a weasly, devious stalker with an agenda, look to yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:09 PM

We need to see those brexit documents, in full. Not redacted, not in any way edited, not in part. It's our democratic right. You brexiteers who were so desperate to take back control should insist that these weasels release the embarrassing information that we have the right to know. Not that they continue to control us by withholding information "for tactIcal reasons" that should be freely available.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:19 PM

One day there will be an old documentary filmed in obsolete SUHD format describing the rise and fall of the global fuckwits.

Tiny Tim will ask "What did you do in the fuckwit war Daddy?"

Even the passage of time will not completely sort out exactly who all the fuckwits were and where they are currently hiding. There will be fuck wit theories about how they emerge every 5 cycles of the 17 year locust, depending on the solar maximum that decade.

Its a fine mess we have gotten into. Yeah we did it ourselves    but Russia helped.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:58 PM

I thought it was katydids, Donuel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:38 PM

Gosh, been away all day today and I nearly missed this one!

From: Nige Parsons
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 07:41 AM

Re Steve Shaw, 27 Nov 17 - 07:34 AM
Sez Nige: "The majority of the voting public didn't agree with you."

Sez Steve: "38% is not a majority. I know I'm only a biologist but my maths seems better than yours."

Sez Nige again (with his rude hat on): "Nope, either your maths, or your use of English is slipping.
"The voting public" means the public that vote.
38% is not a majority of the available electorate.
52% is a majority of the voting public."

Yebbut Nige, however you wish to interpret the rather vague phrase "the voting public," and we may want to differ on that (but hey), there's a very obstinate fact afoot here. Just over one-third of the sentient beings of this nation are guaranteed, at least on the day of the vote, to have disagreed with me. On that very day, just under one-third definitely agreed with me. On that very same day, just over one-quarter of them didn't vote. Neither you nor I know why they didn't vote, the only certainty being that there were multifarious reasons for it. The commonest brexiteer interpretation I've heard here (mostly from two thankfully erstwhile colleagues of ours) is that it's all their bloody fault if they couldn't be arsed to vote and they don't deserve any further say (isn't democracy wonderful when it can be so easily circumscribed by any old Tory?) Thing is, Nige, we don't know, do we? There were the genuinely undecided, the fence-sitters, the serial mind-changers, the disgusteds of Tunbridge Wells who were pissed off by the serial lying from both sides, the opposers of referendums on principle, oh, and a few lazy arses and a few political illiterati. Care to put figures on that lot, Nige? Bottom line: all you can claim with any confidence for your side is just over one-third of the electorate (a much clearer term than "voting public," n'est-ce pas?). Just remember that the next time you hear your fellow toe-rags rattling on about "the people having spoken" and all the rest of that confounded bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 02:53 AM

Wow! Couldn't have put it better myself, Steve!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 03:00 AM

Government refusing to release new information that might prompt some to people change their minds: Brexit files ? the truth is not in there

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 03:43 AM

You thought they were plebs, not me,
Nope, I've never used such terms about them. Or was that sarcasm, whimsy, or just lying?
So just go and take a running jump, Nigel, and try to make an honest man of yourself for a change. I'm as straight as a die.
Is that last quote a la Tony Blair "I'm a pretty straight kinda guy"? Or are you using 'die' as in the twisting tool used to make a screw thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 03:56 AM

Yebbut Nige, however you wish to interpret the rather vague phrase "the voting public," and we may want to differ on that (but hey), there's a very obstinate fact afoot here. Just over one-third of the sentient beings of this nation are guaranteed, at least on the day of the vote, to have disagreed with me. On that very day, just under one-third definitely agreed with me. On that very same day, just over one-quarter of them didn't vote. Neither you nor I know why they didn't vote, the only certainty being that there were multifarious reasons for it. The commonest brexiteer interpretation I've heard here (mostly from two thankfully erstwhile colleagues of ours) is that it's all their bloody fault if they couldn't be arsed to vote and they don't deserve any further say (isn't democracy wonderful when it can be so easily circumscribed by any old Tory?) Thing is, Nige, we don't know, do we? There were the genuinely undecided, the fence-sitters, the serial mind-changers, the disgusteds of Tunbridge Wells who were pissed off by the serial lying from both sides, the opposers of referendums on principle, oh, and a few lazy arses and a few political illiterati. Care to put figures on that lot, Nige? Bottom line: all you can claim with any confidence for your side is just over one-third of the electorate (a much clearer term than "voting public," n'est-ce pas?). Just remember that the next time you hear your fellow toe-rags rattling on about "the people having spoken" and all the rest of that confounded bullshit.
Use your own definitions of words how you will:

Just over one-third of the sentient beings of this nation are guaranteed, at least on the day of the vote, to have disagreed with me. On that very day, just under one-third definitely agreed with me. On that very same day, just over one-quarter of them didn't vote.
In your attempt to re-cast the definition you have, seemingly, labelled all under 18s as non-sentient. Surely you can make a better attempt than that.

As for those who didn't vote, their views weren't given (for whatever reason) and so can't be taken into account.
Just over one third of those who used their vote voted 'Leave'. A lower percentage voted 'Remain'. The purpose of the referendum was to find what the majority view was. This majority of those who voted was Leave.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 04:15 AM

Jim,
"Politicians do lie, but if they are caught in a lie they have to resign from office."
You are joking of course

No. It is a fact.

How is that (politician's) promise going to be honoured

By UK not constructing any infrastructure at the border whatever the outcome of negotiations, as promised.
Eire claims to want that too, but they have little influence over the outcome.
EU is threatening a hard border just because they know we do not want that.

Donuel,
Why has your government NOT decided how close they intend to remain with the European Union? Its 'Big been' awhile.

Because it is not up to us. We have been clear all along we want to be as close as ever and for free trade to continue, but they can not allow our leaving to be successful or others might follow.
They also need to extract money from us so have to make threats like the border issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 04:31 AM

Steve and Backwoodsman, what is wrong in asking if two people agree on something?
Why is it so hard to reply?

I am sure I have been asked if I agree with something someone else has posted.

Steve was adamant that although he disparagingly referred to leavers as "Plebs" he did not mean it.
BWM calls them "feeble-minded" and stands by it.
You both usually argue from the same position so it is reasonable to ask if you agree on that.

So, do you?
Just asking.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 04:42 AM

Lads - Remember the hoops and stop jumping!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 04:47 AM

"You both usually argue from the same position so it is reasonable to ask if you agree on that."
What has whether two people agree wiuth each other got to do with "Post Brexit" Keith
Just asking
Divide and still lose the argument, in your case
"No. It is a fact."
You've just admitted that politicians lie, if you know that they must have been caught out
When was the last time one of them resigned for lying?
Boris the Braindead lied about the activities of a British citizen in Iran - doing so has probably extended her jail sentence
When can we expect his resignation?
The EU is noth threatening a hard border - you are lying
Can we now expect your resignation?
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 05:11 AM

Jim, you were happy to say that you disagreed with Steve on the Plebs thing before he said he disagreed with it too.

Saying yes or no would not have put anyone in a trap! Whatever are you people so afraid of?
Just say what you think.
If you are afraid to do that just leave it but do not compose tedious declarations about why you won't.
You are pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 05:56 AM

This discussion is about Brexit Keith - who agrees with whom is a diversion on your part in order not to face the fact the Bexit has proved an utter disaster for the British people and their nearest neighbours and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future
Why don't you join your running-mate Nigel's campaign to blame the electorate for that shambles - he seems a lot beter at creating diversions than you are
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:06 AM

"In your attempt to re-cast the definition you have, seemingly, labelled all under 18s as non-sentient. Surely you can make a better attempt than that."

Indeed I could have. "Sentient" was a bad choice and my excuse was a very long and knackering day with 150 miles driving mostly in the dark in horrendous weather conditions, but you don't want to hear that. But the irony of your rightly drawing that to my attention is that, if we include all those sentient under-18s, the brexiteers' "people have spoken" 38% mantra looks far sicker still. It's actually 38% sentient over-18s less all the sentient under-18s, a poignant thought when you consider that they are the very people you've shafted the most. I should think that "the people have spoken" probably accounts for around 20% or maybe a bit more of the country's actual sentient beings. Perhaps next time I hear someone saying me that " the people have spoken" I'll reply saying but ah, only one fifth of the SENTIENT people have spoken! Of course, my maths is predicated on no arbitrary lower age limit having been set for qualification as "sentient." Needless to say, I know a good few five-year-olds with as much sense as some who are old enough to vote, and they probably possess just as much political knowledge (none, in other words).

Yes, Nigel, you didn't actually utter the word "plebs" but you did support the leave campaign that treated the people of this country like ignorant plebs, like suckers for their xenophobic lies, and you're still defending the lying toads here now. I can say with hand on heart that I had no truck (or bus even) with either side at the time, regarding the whole thing as skewed, disreputable and undemocratic. Show me any post of yours from before June 2016 that criticised the lies of the leave side and I'll give you a chocolate Hobnob.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:07 AM

I watch many discussion programmes on Radio and TV.
It is quite normal for participants to be asked if they agree on things.

It is a reasonable question in any discussion. You do not have to answer but again, what are you people so afraid of?
Just say what you think.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:12 AM

. I can say with hand on heart that I had no truck (or bus even) with either side at the time, regarding the whole thing as skewed, disreputable and undemocratic.

I remember you discussing it here and supporting the Remain side.
You never once described the debate as "skewed, disreputable and undemocratic" or anything like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:19 AM

"Jim, you were happy to say that you disagreed with Steve on the Plebs thing before he said he disagreed with it too."

Well Jim was a bit hasty there and promptly put that right. When someone backtracks on these forums it's bloody bad form to keep pursuing it. The bone has no more meat on it, Keith. And there is no reason on earth why I should have had to explain myself. I did not disagree with myself, nor did I correct myself. I clarified it, as if it needed clarifying, for the benefit of the nitpickers like you and Nigel who appear not to be able to understand nuance. Jim had the good grace to resolve the thing extremely quickly. You carp on like a pair of hyenas who think they've found a juicy carcass but who are actually gnawing away on a rusty old bucket.

As for not answering your question, you had your answer. A silly answer to a silly question. Move on, Keith. You're looking stupid.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:23 AM

I support remaining in the EU, Keith. I did not join a faction, speak up for them, stick their posters up, go to their rallies or anything else. I castigated both sides. So don't be silly.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:27 AM

THis has now become a two-hander exercise in diverting the subject from the Brexit nause-up to who said what when
Keith is taking the right flank (where else) aand Nige is happily re-directing the blame to those who were taken in by politicians lies
Let's all move on eh and leave them to think up something else to discuss?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:28 AM

Steve,
As for not answering your question, you had your answer. A silly answer

Yes it was silly.
Why will you not tell us if you agree with BWM on Leavers being feeble minded?
What are you afraid of. You could have given a sensible answer many times over instead of all the rambling and implausible justifications for not answering.

. I can say with hand on heart that I had no truck (or bus even) with either side at the time, regarding the whole thing as skewed, disreputable and undemocratic

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 23 Jun 16 - 02:18 AM
Come on, fellow Brits of the more sane persuasion. Get up, vote early, vote often, VOTE IN!! ??

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:29 AM

" Bexit has proved an utter disaster for the British people and their nearest neighbours"

Were you studying the cat's entrails to come by this bit of divination?

An event has to come to pass before outcomes can be known. Perhaps you inhabit an alternative reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:38 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:06 AM

"In your attempt to re-cast the definition you have, seemingly, labelled all under 18s as non-sentient. Surely you can make a better attempt than that."

Indeed I could have. "Sentient" was a bad choice and my excuse was a very long and knackering day with 150 miles driving mostly in the dark in horrendous weather conditions, but you don't want to hear that. But the irony of your rightly drawing that to my attention is that, if we include all those sentient under-18s, the brexiteers' "people have spoken" 38% mantra looks far sicker still. It's actually 38% sentient over-18s less all the sentient under-18s, a poignant thought when you consider that they are the very people you've shafted the most. I should think that "the people have spoken" probably accounts for around 20% or maybe a bit more of the country's actual sentient beings. Perhaps next time I hear someone saying me that " the people have spoken" I'll reply saying but ah, only one fifth of the SENTIENT people have spoken! Of course, my maths is predicated on no arbitrary lower age limit having been set for qualification as "sentient." Needless to say, I know a good few five-year-olds with as much sense as some who are old enough to vote, and they probably possess just as much political knowledge (none, in other words).

No matter how you attempt to revise the meanings of the terms used, to reduce the percentage favouring Brexit, the percentage favouring Leave will always be lower, and always in the relationship 52:48

You claim that we do not understand 'nuance'. There would be no need if you understood 'straight talking'.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:39 AM

Ahhh, the mewling of our Little Englander compatriots continues unabated.

Meanwhile, confirming what we all knew, xenophobes unite under the Brexit banners (link maker won't work):
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-oecd-economic-forecast-paris-gdp-eu-european-union-a8079586.html


Things are looking up in the cats entrails business, everyone's making predictions: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-oecd-economic-forecast-paris-gdp-eu-european-union-a8079586.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:42 AM

So now all Leavers are xenophobes!
Anyone else agree with that?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 06:54 AM

Who said that everyone who voted leave is a xexophobe, Keith? I cannot see such an assertion but I may be missing it. Can you link to it please?

Although people who voted for brexit are more likely to be racist.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 07:03 AM

"So now all Leavers are xenophobes!"

READ THE ARTICLE.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 07:09 AM

"Things are looking up in the cats entrails business, everyone's making predictions:"

Yes and you must remember that many political predictions made recently have been a total joke and lost all contact with reality.

    Brexiteers won the referendum
    Trump was elected President.

How unpalatable that must be to some. Like the snowflakes on the Trump thread!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 07:22 AM

I refer to my post of 27 Nov 17 - 01:22 PM.
The subject of that post continues with his trolling. Nothing further needs to be said. My advice is to ignore the plonker.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 07:25 AM

"Come on, fellow Brits of the more sane persuasion. Get up, vote early, vote often, VOTE IN!! "

"I can say with hand on heart that I had no truck (or bus even) with either side at the time, regarding the whole thing as skewed, disreputable and undemocratic."

Very simple, Keith. I wanted this country to stay in the EU. I was not in any faction, tribe, party, lobby group, official campaign, pressure group, association, affiliation, mob, outfit, organisation, troupe, union, fraternity, league or merry band of buggered supporting remain. Heinously, I decided to vote because I wanted to remain an EU citizen and would never have forgiven myself had it been lost by one vote. Am I getting through that solid, armour-plated, dense, thick, content-free skull of yours yet? In very, very, VERY plain English: I WANTED TO STAY IN THE EU DESPITE NOT BEING A MEMBER OF ANY LEAVE CAMPAIGN AND I DECIDED TO VOTE, AS SUCH ENCOURAGING ANYONE LISTENING ON MUDCAT (WHO WAS BOTH SENTIENT AND OLD ENOUGH) TO VOTE THE SAME WAY. Now just knock it off, you confounded idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Nov 17 - 07:27 AM

Don't feed the troll.....