BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:17 PM

Dave, you just can't hack it.
If you had an argument you would post it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:15 PM

Sorry again!
DMcG,
I am sorry if my abbreviation misrepresented your statement.

Please ignore that post and insert this one.

if the model used by the CER comes with confidence intervals, declarations of known limitations of the model and a history of validation results. So it will be accurate - again, assuming normal methods have been used - to say the results will be 99.5% certain to a certain tolerance. That is not speculation.

It is not even speculation!
Bloomberg (in Manhatan!) published it a week ago, and no other media outlet or broadcaster anywhere has picked it up!
Everyone has completely dismissed it except for you and Dave.
It is just tosh.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 02:37 PM

I am becoming more and more of the opinion that Iains should be ignored as completely as Keith. He does have his lucid moments but the ridiculous amount of invective used makes him just as difficult to communicate with. Shame really but we now know it is the only way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 01:35 PM

By the way, that misquote you made by taking half my sentence so that I appeared to claim a report was accurate but omitted what amounts to 'to this extent' is extreme.

Any apology coming my way?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 01:34 PM

NO EU or UK media bothered with it.
There is no FT, Guardian, Indie or BBC report on it.
They all know it was tosh.
Only some private media firm in Manhattan was taken in by it, apart from you and Dave.

Your suggested reasons for not wanting free trade with Britain do not stand up either.
We already trade profitably outside the EU more than with it, and when we can ditch the EU tariffs it will be better and cheaper still.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 01:23 PM

As Kipling put it:

I reckon there's more things told than are true.
And more things true than are told!


Where something is true or not is connected to who bothers to report it. There has been a lot of things happening over the last week and, as a media story, it is very little different to many things over the last year. But you will see, if you look a little closer, that the argument was more about what is and is not speculation, rather than whether this is a particularly good analysis. I have already admitted I do not have the data to determine that. What I am fairly confident of, though, is that simply calling it speculation is mistaken.

And the answer to your question "so why would anyone not want a trade deal with a major economy finally available for free trade" is there are many possible reasons. Just use your imagination and I am sure you can think of some. But to give you just one: there are other costs, like transportation. It might be still cheaper to sell your goods elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 01:01 PM

DMcG,
That people will be queueing up to do deals with us that are greatly to our benefit *is* speculation: no evidence for not is offered.

None needed. Free trade benefits both parties. That is a fact so why would anyone not want a trade deal with a major economy finally available for free trade?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:58 PM

DMcG,
if the model used by the CER comes with confidence intervals, declarations of known limitations of the model and a history of validation results. So it will be accurate

Bloomberg(!) published it a week ago, and no other media outlet or broadcaster has picked it up.
Everyone has completely dismissed it except for you and Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:40 PM

"The heroic brexiteers will sail on unworried by those remaining lunatics running the EU."

To quote your fellow BrexShiteer! Nigs, "Total speculation"?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:40 PM


Could be that if Merkel is history then so is the EU. That is a little more than pure speculation!


Not much more, in reality.


There are several aspects to this. First and foremost, the immigration question is a vital one for the EU and should not be under-estimated.

But you should not mix up the future of the EU with the future existence of the EU. What is decided about immigration will, most likely, set the EU on one path rather than another. It will certainly have a major impact on what they do about external borders and, probably, about what happens to immigrants already in the EU. But that does not mean they fail to see the advantages of continued co-operation for example. Indeed, it may emphasise it.

Then there is that fact that Merkel is fighting a personal battle for survival, and it would be silly to assume what she says is unconnected with that.

But what it shows most of all is that the UK is way down the pile of things they are going to be worrying about.


===

Then on the facts versus speculation. I have no way of knowing for certain, but it would be standard practice if the model used by the CER comes with confidence intervals, declarations of known limitations of the model and a history of validation results. So it will be accurate - again, assuming normal methods have been used - to say the results will be 99.5% certain to a certain tolerance. That is not speculation.

That people will be queueing up to do deals with us that are greatly to our benefit *is* speculation: no evidence for not is offered.


Analysis, with recognised limitations on one hand, blind guesses on the other. I know which I would call speculation.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:34 PM

BBC today,
"The fragility of the EU is increasing," warns EU Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker. "The cracks are growing in size."
It's been easy to get distracted this last couple of weeks by the new Italian government and its headline-grabbing rejection of NGO migrant rescue boats.
But Mr Juncker is right: EU fissures go deeper and are more widespread."

"Mrs Merkel has clearly been weakened at home by her previous open-door migrant policy.
Formerly viewed as politically untouchable, the German chancellor has now been given an ultimatum by her own interior minister.
"By the end of this Brussels summit, you need to come home with a workable pan-European solution to stop irregular migrants bleeding into Germany," Horst Seehofer has threatened her. "Or I will unilaterally slam Germany's borders shut."
The Austrian government told me this week it would then immediately follow suit, causing a border-closing domino effect across Europe - with a seismic impact on the EU's prize political and economic project: the open-border Schengen agreement.
What a blow for Brussels and nightmare for Europe's export-king Germany that would be. "
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44632471

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:23 PM

Merkel herself today,
“Europe faces many challenges, but that of migration could become the make-or-break one for the EU,”

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:23 PM

To take what you say literally then surely removing lunatics from any assembly leads to greater stability. But your reasoning is intriguing, perhaps the EU is run by lunatics so any leaving would be considered a loss.
The heroic brexiteers will sail on unworried by those remaining lunatics running the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 12:03 PM

"Could be that if Merkel is history then so is the EU. That is a little more than pure speculation!"

The EU isn't a Merkel-construct, it existed for a very long time before Angela Merkel became the German Chancellor. Why should her falling from her position in the German government cause the EU to implode? She is but one person.

The British lunatics leaving is, I would have thought, far more likely to have a deleterious effect on the stability of the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 11:23 AM

A shame that remainiacs cannot differentiate between facts and mere speculation. No wonder some label them as leftards. After all if the cap fits...................?
The EU is not without it's problems. A speculative report below

EU challenges and future prospects

and of course the elephant in the room that everyone tippy toes around because of a pc straitjacket:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/28/future-of-eu-hinges-on-solving-migration-issue-says-merkel

Could be that if Merkel is history then so is the EU. That is a little more than pure speculation!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 10:36 AM

Two years on from the referendum, we now know that the Brexit vote has seriously damaged the economy

I question "seriously."
Of course there have been costs due to the uncertainty surrounding the final deal. That was always expected.
The predictions by all those experts that a Brexit vote would seriously damage the economy have proved to be false Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 10:31 AM

Dave, the claim reported by Bloomberg is "according to an economic study by the Centre for European Reform."


Is anyone without a vested interest making any such claim?

I can find no-one else who supports it. Can you?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 09:02 AM

Two years on from the referendum, we now know that the Brexit vote has seriously damaged the economy

No speculation. An unequivocal statement. If you disagree you are welcome to provide facts to the contrary. I suppose we will never agree so I can only leave it at that and bring us back to what we have been asking all along. Where are the statements telling us how much good the brexit vote has done or even will do?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 08:49 AM

I suggest you complain to Bloomberg then Nigel.
No need, he hasn't managed to take me in with speculation dressed up as fact.
Perhaps you should complain that he is misleading those who do not read things critically, and assume that the headlines convey the whole content.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 08:46 AM

"Total speculation."
Which is more or less how the economists are now forced to operat - no way to run a smell business, never mind a country
Every step of the way in this ongoing farce is based on speculation and dishonesty
Way back, May and her troup of Mental midgets left the conference room confirming there would be no hard border
Shehadn't put her slippers on and stirred her cocoa before her main man, Gormless Gove, was up on his feet saying it was only an aim, not a promise.
Now we are as far away from a decision that could turn Ireland's clock back forty years, as we ever were
Pity the ealing Studios closed - this really would have provided a plot for one of their best comedies
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 08:44 AM

The Leave campaign was based on absolutely nothing but 'speculation'. You were very happy indeed to believe the 'speculation' put forward by Bozo, Haddock-Face, the Little Scottish viper, and the rest of the BrexShit Brigade - so much so that you voted Leave, despite there not being one single jot of hard evidence that leaving the EU would be beneficial to the UK in any way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 08:39 AM

I was writing a long post saying in essence that Nigel would not allow anyone else to get away with that dismissive "Total speculation" when it can be shown mathematically that is extreme hyperbole.

But in the end, I decide to stick to as bald a statement as he did. It is a comparison to a model so there is a degree of uncertainty. That is a long way from total spwculation.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 08:35 AM

I suggest you complain to Bloomberg then Nigel. The quote categorically says that the brexit vote HAS seriously damaged the economy. Not is going to or might but has

Of course you may know better than the CER deputy director but I am not aware of your qualifications.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 07:59 AM

Read on to the end of the article:
"The CER used a statistical model that compared the U.K.’s economic performance against predicted output if the referendum result had gone the other way. It did so by identifying which OECD countries’ gross domestic product, consumption and investment data best replicated the U.K. economy in the two decades leading up to the referendum."
The CER article is based on comparisons with what it believes would have been the situation had we not decided to leave the EU.
Total speculation.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 07:43 AM

I think this statement belies that, Nigel.

"Two years on from the referendum, we now know that the Brexit vote has seriously damaged the economy,” said CER Deputy Director John Springford, who authored the study. “We know that the government’s Brexit dividend is a myth: the vote is costing the Treasury 440 million pounds a week, far more than the U.K. ever contributed to the EU budget."

The key points here is that it is costing (NB - costing, not will cost) the treasury more than it pays out in EU contributions. No speculation involved.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 07:41 AM

On this question of admitting we could be wrong. There is a substantial gap between saying "I was wrong" and "I was right but it was all wrecked by remainers/the Eu/cowardice of May/ judges betraying the people ..."

It is an unequivocal "I was wrong and accept some measure of personal responsibility for any ill effects" that I sought. I feel we are still some way from that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 07:36 AM

For those who insist that all the gloomy news is just speculation

Brexit Has Already Cost the U.K. More than Its EU Budget Payments

It is just speculation.
They are not giving a comparison based on any actual figures, but on their speculation on where we would have been if the country had decided to remain in the EU.

I think the term 'speculation' is an excellent description of the linked article.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 07:08 AM

For those who insist that all the gloomy news is just speculation

Brexit Has Already Cost the U.K. More than Its EU Budget Payments

It gets worse by the day. Still weer talking owr cuntry back.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 07:03 AM

Not the same, but from the same source, more to the point and far less verbose
Maybe Iains can get someone to read it for him (a passing by eight-year-old perhaps)
Jim

The Economist Jun 21st 2018
FOR some time Britain’s vote in June 2016 to leave the European Union appeared to be having little economic impact. Sterling slumped but GDP growth in the second half of 2016 was faster than in the first. Unemployment fell, rather than jumping, as most economists had feared. Yet the notion that the economy would escape Brexit uncertainty was always fantastical.
Britain’s economy has gone from a leader to a laggard internationally, as GDP growth has slowed sharply (see chart). As The Economist went to press, the monetary-policy committee (MPC) of the Bank of England was expected to leave its benchmark interest rate on hold at 0.5%. The economy is deemed too weak to cope with higher borrowing costs.
A few factors explained the economy’s outperformance in the immediate aftermath of the referendum. The government eased fiscal austerity. In August 2016 the Bank of England cut interest rates to 0.25%. Happily, around the same time the world economy entered its first synchronised upswing since the global financial crisis. Britain is an open economy. Its exporters have benefited from strong foreign demand, especially from the European Union, by far the country’s largest trading partner.
The economic impact of the vote for Brexit is turning out to be less of a sting and more of an ache. Sterling’s referendum-induced decline has made imports pricier. Annual inflation exceeded wage growth for most of 2017. Although inflation has fallen from its recent peak of 3.1%, real wages are still barely growing. Today the average employee’s pay packet is roughly 3% smaller than might reasonably have been expected in June 2016, when real wages were moving up. Brexiteers who emphasised how much Britain allegedly pays to the EU will be interested to learn that, across the whole economy, that adds up to around £350m a week in lost earnings. Growth in household spending, which accounts for some 60% of GDP, has slowed.
That has duly made its mark on overall economic growth. In the first quarter of 2018 GDP rose by just 0.1%, the slowest rate since 2012. Poor weather at the start of the year hit the construction industry but overall had only a “limited” effect on the economy, according to the national statistics office. Perhaps more importantly, the world economy is slowing. Britain’s exports have dropped for the past two quarters.
The MPC’s decision in November to reverse its post-referendum rate cut, which was motivated by a desire to bring inflation back down to its 2% target, has not helped matters. The prospect of rising borrowing costs may have made the public more cautious. More than half of Britons believe that a further tightening of monetary policy is on the way, the biggest share since 2011. Some households seem inclined to pay down debt or save, rather than spend. Business investment has stagnated, which may also reflect the fact that the moment when Britain is actually due to leave the EU is fast approaching.
Many economists are now wondering whether Britain is heading for outright recession. Some recent surveys have not been encouraging. After a strong performance in 2017, manufacturing output appears to be falling. Retail sales have picked up—but they are poorly correlated with overall consumer spending. All told, it does not seem pessimistic to expect quarterly GDP growth of a meagre 0.1-0.2% in the second quarter of 2018.
There is little chance of the economy bouncing back soon. Consumer confidence remains low. Businesses have only modest plans for investment in the coming months. In 2018-19 the government appears to be ramping austerity up again as it seeks to close its budget deficit despite a new promise to spend more on the health service. Britain seems to be trapped in a period of low growth. And Brexit has not even happened yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 06:51 AM

"Sorry Jim - can't open your link without a subscription."
I usually cant - this time I was able to - I'll see what I can do

"link to a children's nursery rhymes"
Like his ability to control his childishly insulting behaviour - a handy guage to measure his intellectual level
Embrace it as handy information
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 06:44 AM

"If things continue in the shambolic manner that they have so far terms like "Brexshitter" will be equivalent to insulting the victims of a giant hoax - everybody will have been a victim"

No Jim, it's a very intentional insult against the perpetrators of that giant hoax, and those feeble-minded enough to continue to defend those foul hoaxers, including on this thread, even as the disaster unfolds before them

And here's the hoax...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 06:33 AM

Sorry Jim - can't open your link without a subscription.

Still, I find it interesting that you post a, presumably, serious and relevant article while a major brexiteer posts a link to a childrens nursery rhyme. Sort of underlines the point :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 06:06 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 05:01 AM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aSiJzaoOgs

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 06:00 AM

If things continue in the shambolic manner that they have so far terms like "Brexshitter" will be equivalent to insulting the victims of a giant hoax - everybody will have been a victim
Shame on you Baccie :-(

The major harm to Britain has been inflicted already - the system we live under relies on being able to plan ahead - our economic and social future has become a suicidal LEAP IN THE DARK
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 05:18 AM

DMcG,
A few organisations reporting Brexit concerns in the past couple of days:

Of course they do. There is uncertainty about what the deal will be. That is all they are concerned about.

They are concerned whether there will be a deal at all. Whatever is or not decided they are concerned how that affects their financial plans as reported to shareholders. They are worried the shareholders might not think they are taking the right decisions. They are concerned whether it is better as a company or not to relocate. They are worried about the risks of taking the wrong decision. They are worried that the wider ramifications like possible delays at ports might require them to change JIT processes that are key to how their business runs and to invest heavily in warehousing with its concomitant costs. And on and on.

And you say that is 'all they are worried about'. I put it to you that is quite a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 05:07 AM

I have not the slightest bit of remorse about using the word 'BrexShit' to describe the unholy mess the Leave voters have landed us in. Why should I? Their frequent usage of expressions such as, "We won, get over it!", "Snowflake", "Leftard", etc. demonstrates their contempt for the large majority of the electorate who did not vote to leave the EU. My utter contempt for BrexShitters simply matches their contempt for those of us who voted for substance, not just airy-fairy 'hope', oft-parroted slogans, and lies on buses.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 05:03 AM

DMcG,
A few organisations reporting Brexit concerns in the past couple of days:

Of course they do. There is uncertainty about what the deal will be. That is all they are concerned about.


Rag,
Sadly DMcG hope is all that the Brexiteers have been able to offer us so far.

Not all. The economy is doing OK despite all the predictions of doom from the Remain campaign that turned out to be false.

Backwoodsman, are you prepared to accept the possibility that you might be wrong as DtG, DMcG and I have (though not Steve.)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 05:01 AM

"Worse still, leftards is an amalgam of left and retard"
Dave
You can always take comfort from the fact that the braindead who uses it most persistently is a Tommy Robinson, Donald Trump supporter who believes refugee=terrorist and survivors of the Grenfell fire should have been left to sleep in the park rather than allow them the use of vacant private property (the school of thought that sent six million Jews to their untimely and appalling deaths and filled Santiago Stadium with students ready to be raped, tortured and massacred)
You need to consider where this insult is coming from and embrace it as a compliment
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:49 AM

Nigel

Brexshit is a corruption of Brexit - An inanimate concept

Remoaners is a corruption of remainers - remainers are real people. Not an inanimate concept.

Worse still, leftards is an amalgam of left and retard. A truly horrendous term abusing not only the left wing but those with learning difficulties.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:17 AM

I predict a slump for sterling, cuurency speculators will make a lot of money

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:32 AM

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:03 AM
There is no need, Mr Red. The leave supporters on here use the phrases 'remoaners' and 'leftards' because they have no decent arguments. The remain supporters have the backing of every economic and business analysis we have seen so far and have no need to resort to puerile name calling.

You may not demean yourself, but that is not true of all the remain supporters here. For example, just 14 posts earlier:

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 11:54 AM

"Believe it or not, the EUs primary interest is what it thinks is in the best long term interest of the EU, including trade and social and political aspects. Suggesting it is only doing so to pressurise the UK is real "Fog in the channel, continent cut off" thinking."
BINGO!
I find it astonishing, every time I hear the BrexShit brigade spluttering and frothing about the EU 'frustrating' the BrexShit negotiations, that they can't or won't get it into their heads that it's not the responsibility of the EU to give us the best possible deal - it's their responsibility to give the 27 the best possible deal.
If that means the UK doesn't get a deal, or gets a crap deal, that's just tough shit! You won, get over it!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:03 AM

There is no need, Mr Red. The leave supporters on here use the phrases 'remoaners' and 'leftards' because they have no decent arguments. The remain supporters have the backing of every economic and business analysis we have seen so far and have no need to resort to puerile name calling.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 02:54 AM

A recent graffito I saw was:

Brexshite


So do we, in polite company, counter the word "remoaners" with "brexshitters" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 04:00 PM

And is that your best case, Iains, to reassure the businesses I listed?

Don't forget to reassure Ferrovial as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 03:45 PM

"I assume by your learned contributions to this thread that you were standing in front of a mirror to generate your latest missive."

And, on the basis of that little gem, my case rests.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 02:30 PM

So stupid they don't even have the wit to realise how stupid they are.
I assume by your learned contributions to this thread that you were standing in front of a mirror to generate your latest missive.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 01:39 PM

And, having voted for nothing more than 'a hope', those muppets have the brass neck to heap scorn on those of us who voted for the solid, factual status quo.

So stupid they don't even have the wit to realise how stupid they are. Still, the 1% who'll be able to continue offshoring will be pleased.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 01:19 PM

Sadly DMcG hope is all that the Brexiteers have been able to offer us so far.

No in depth analysis, no reasoned forecasts, no positive predictions, even the 58 studies that were carried out by the government we are told do not exist.

Every text I have seen has been in the negative, every text.

Any good news about Brexit yet, anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 01:07 PM

A few organisations reporting Brexit concerns in the past couple of days:


Doctors

Banks (even though this one is EU not doing enough - it is still a Brexit induced problem

CBI and Unions jointly concerned

Car Industry

Yes, there is a lot of worry that business is being well and truly Borissed.

Still, we can offset that with unremitting hope, can't we?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 05:47 AM

All the negotiations so far have been about money and trade.
No 2 or 3 discussed.