BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 08:23 PM

Steve Shaw has previously stated that he has problems creating links (despite the link maker below the posting box)
Here is a link to the article he appears to be quoting from the Daily Telegraph (not some other title which he thinks is appropriate):
what will Brexit mean for British trade?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 08:52 PM

I don't have problems because I don't try to make them. This is supposed to be a place where we discuss issues, not post endless links to our favourite rags, often (routinely in the case of one tedious poster) unsupported by additional comments as why the link was provided and what the bits relevant to the conversation are, let alone how the link is supposed to support their case. In fact, I don't open the vast majority of links given here. I do happen to watch the news, read it online and read newspapers. If someone says something I have my doubts about, I look it up. If I find something that supports a point I want to make I can copy and paste the relevant parts. Quite often, when I do try to open links, either they don't work, I have to pay to read all of it or log in to something I'm not a subscriber to. I think that if you make a link like that you're bloody rude. Tell us what you think, not what your favourite Tory rag thinks. Not linking is a small affliction. Not thinking is far more major, and it's distressingly common on this forum. I don't know why you bothered wasting your time linking to something I've already extensively quoted, highlighted and attributed. Seems to be a case of not-thinking syndrome to me. And if you don't like my rather appropriate retitling of the Daily Torygraph (not one of my originals as it happens), either keep it to yourself or let's instead hear you going for the jugular of all those who refer to the Daily Heil and the Grauniad (capital G or small, we see it all). I never hear it from you. So your persistent singling-out behaviour makes you a stalker. Tsk. Find another hobby, Nigel, preferably one that involves thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 04:15 AM

Steve,
As long as they've done a deal, Nigel, as long as they've done a deal. Doing deals takes years.

No. It is perfectly acceptable for a country to not impose tariffs.
No deal is required.
We do not have to impose them on say food, clothes and footwear.

Dave,
Interesting that this is what I have been saying should happen in an ethical world but one of your fellow brexiteers is saying that what really happens is that the companies in question will just use the savings to maximise profits. So, sadly, no savings on Steve's shirts and pants at all

At the moment we have to impose tariffs on non-EU clothes and that charge is added to the price.
When they are removed, obviously importers could charge what they want, but they would be fools to not take advantage and undercut the competition.
Steve's supermarket shirts and pants will be cheaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 04:56 AM

Steve's supermarket shirts and pants will be cheaper.

Undoubtedly due to George's largesse in passing the saving on tariffs on to the consumer or because Mountain Warehouse is a philanthropic organisation.

I wish I had a rose coloured crystal ball.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:15 AM

Nigel, my example is meant to show how a supplier works, if a supplier is selling a lower number of items the costs will (normally) be higher. Tariffs do not enter the equation in this instance.

The UK as a customer will not enjoy the same pricing structure as the EU bloc because we as a single nation have a lower spending power and thus (normally) our prices for the same goods will be higher.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:36 AM

From my Daily Torygraph quoted piece, no link required (so happy to annoy you, Niggly Nigel), for Keith's delectation:

"What will Brexit mean for British trade?

Outside the EU, the UK will need to strike new deals in order to have free trade with those countries or the remaining EU members."

Gosh, Keith, are you seriously telling us that you disagree with your mouthpiece-in-print? And, once again, let me remind you that repeating a lie over and over again never makes it true (even if it's the one about Mexico paying for a wall or £350 million per week going to the NHS).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:39 AM

"Undoubtedly due to George's largesse in passing the saving on tariffs on to the consumer or because Mountain Warehouse is a philanthropic organisation.

I wish I had a rose coloured crystal ball."

If my Asda pants do come down you'll be able to admire both mine, Dave.

Moving swiftly on (if we really must...)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 06:08 AM

"I don't have problems because I don't try to make them. This is supposed to be a place where we discuss issues, not post endless links to our favourite rags, often (routinely in the case of one tedious poster)"

Wot abaaht this then? Surely the above is a prime example of a partial truth. Allow me to illustrate:

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 22 Nov 17 - 06:25 AM
I've been ridiculed for not being able to do this stuff. My problem is usually that I can't work out what the actual bit in the newspaper (etc.) article is that's supposed to form the link I want. I hate having to keep saying "Google this" but it's better than nothing I reckon. I did one this morning in the post-brexit thread (easy, tigers, it's where angels fear to tread) to an article that was in the Guardian in September. But where's the bit that's supposed to make the link?
Stupidly yours, Steve

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 06:21 AM

And Keith, old chap, go back and have a gander at Jim's link from 23 Jan 18 - 10:06 AM, the one that said NO TARIFFS WOULD BREAK WTO RULES. one that I did happen to open. Acquaint yourself with the brutal realities of a little country out there on its own trying to do deals in the hostile world of big trading blocs. A suggestion for you: now that UKIP's gorn tits up: why don't you and Nigel start a new party? You could call it the Party of Little England Bravefaces. Join the PLEBs!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 06:33 AM

Well, Iains, that was then and this is now. Having watched you post interminable links, usually disgusting right-wing ones, often multiple, usually irrelevant to the chat, often unopenable or something I can't read unless I sign my life away to some rag, often simply mystifying as to why you've posted them and routinely not backed up with reasons for giving them, regularly unquoted from, uniquely in your case occasionally even contradicting your supposed argument, I've decided that the requisite learning curve for making links is a bridge too far (hi, Boris). I'm fine being a little discriminating as to what I quote and I'll copy and paste the relevant bits, and always tell you where I got it from so that you can check that I'm not cherrypicking. Personally, I think that I work harder than you in order to make my sources relevant to the discussion to hand. I'm fed up of clicking on links, frankly, and getting pop-up ads and cookie warnings all over the place. My approach to this is cleaner than yours, more courteous and generally nicer to everybody. So sod off.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 06:35 AM

I don't know why you bothered wasting your time linking to something I've already extensively quoted, highlighted and attributed. Seems to be a case of not-thinking syndrome to me. And if you don't like my rather appropriate retitling of the Daily Torygraph

If a "well educated scientist" thinks that saying something was in the "Torygraph" in February is an accurate attribution, then standards have slipped badly.
An attribution should accurately identify the original source.
Better yet, a UTR (blue clicky link) would be even better.
Clearly you are a little confused about whether you are capable of creating links though.

I've no problems with referring to the paper as The Torygraph. I use the term myself. But it is not accurate to use it as an attribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 06:58 AM

Steve,
Outside the EU, the UK will need to strike new deals in order to have free trade with those countries or the remaining EU members."

Gosh, Keith, are you seriously telling us that you disagree with your mouthpiece-in-print?

No. Free trade with a country requires a deal, but we are free to not apply tariffs on any commodity we choose, such as food and clothes, as long as we do not discriminate between countries.
Read Jim's link again in the light of what I have explained again.

You are extraordinarily slow at learning these basic facts about trade Steve.
Have you got it now?
Does your new understanding alter your views?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 07:05 AM

Steve,
How does anyone on planet Earth actually KNOW that joining the euro would have been bad for this country?

Here is what Guardian says about us not joining,
"A jolly good thing too, of course. The euro has proved to be exactly the job-destroying, recession-creating, undemocratic monster the doubters always warned it would be. This was not the received wisdom on the left at the time, when to suggest that the euro would be supercharged monetarism, Thatcherism with knobs on, was deemed unseemly. People who liked the euro were civilised, supported the arts, went to Tuscany or the Dordogne for their holidays. People who didn't like the euro drove white vans decorated with the flag of St George.

Today, it is hard to find even the most fervent euro enthusiasts in the Liberal Democrat party arguing for UK membership of the single currency. Disillusionment with what was once called "the Project" is almost total in the face of grinding austerity, a double-dip recession that has already lasted 18 months and a jobless rate of 12.2% and rising."
https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/jun/02/britain-euro-what-if-joined

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 07:18 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 08:52 PM
I don't have problems because I don't try to make them. This is supposed to be a place where we discuss issues, not post endless links to our favourite rags, often (routinely in the case of one tedious poster) unsupported by additional comments as why the link was provided and what the bits relevant to the conversation are, let alone how the link is supposed to support their case.

So instead you copy/paste a long screed unsupported by additional comments as why the copy/paste was provided and what the bits relevant to the conversation are, let alone how the copy/post is supposed to support your case

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 08:12 AM

If you don't like my way of doing things, stick it up your bum, Nigel, please. Now move on, stalker. I'll shop you if you carry on. Join the debate instead. I must have posted about twenty times more personal opinion on Brexit here than you have, I don't need to resort to constant unqualified links and I can well live without your constant pettifogging niggling.   

Incidentally, I admit to forgetting to put the precise date on the Telegraph piece (note that, for the benefit of the educationally-disadvantaged such as Nigel who must have it spelled correctly so that they're not in danger of mistaking it for something else, I've called it by its proper name this once), though I did give the month and year. Sorry about that. I'm sure Nigel's helpful "correction" has included it. I haven't checked, and I won't be doing.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 08:41 AM

I see the "well educated scientist/botanist,ex teacher" is getting a little needled.
    I think expressions such as "sod off" and "stick it up your bum" rather detracts from your argument of being well educated. It certainly confirms you are rather common. I believe "two cheeks of the same unwashed arse" is another of your favourite sayings. You seem to have an anal fixation.
Is that why you write so much shit?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 09:01 AM

Well done Iains, yet another erudite post, pertaining strictly to the subject matter ................... I think not.

David Davis has yet again come under pressure not only from the Labour ranks and those of the SNP but even his own colleagues. Isn't it good to know that the ruling party is as one with each other. Yet another example of the mess we are in.

David Davis awkward moments

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 09:07 AM

" I think expressions such as "sod off" and "stick it up your bum" rather detracts from your argument "
Somewhat rich from someone who has been a serial abuser since he first joined this forum
"A fine example of both trolling and jimmy the twerps "made up shit"
"This is quite unlike your goodself and jimmy who can rightly claim to be leading gobshites."
"Perhaps you rats could explain to jimmy - he seems to have a problem with such basic concepts."
Took me less than a minute to dig those out
Want more?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 09:35 AM

Is little jimmy trying to close another thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 09:43 AM

Here we go again:
From: Steve Shaw
If you don't like my way of doing things, stick it up your bum, Nigel, please. Now move on, stalker. I'll shop you if you carry on. Join the debate instead. I must have posted about twenty times more personal opinion on Brexit here than you have, I don't need to resort to constant unqualified links and I can well live without your constant pettifogging niggling.   

I'm not stalking you, just pointing out your errors, lest people start to believe the unsupported claims that you often make.

"I'll shop you". Is that like "If you don't leave me alone I'll run and tell my mum"?

And yes, you have posted lots of personal opinion in this thread. Most of the time attempting to pass it off as fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 10:27 AM

UK Employment Hits Joint Highest Level since 1971, Pound (GBP) Exchange Rates Rally.

Not false news but fact. With a link to support it(how annoying for some)

Roll on Brexit

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 10:50 AM

Nigel, you are pointing out MY "errors" almost to the exclusion of anyone else's (especially those of your own cabal, which includes you, Keith and Iains, in case you need your allies spelled out for you as well as the names of newspapers). In most cases you are pointing out things that are either pedantic points or pettifogging little things. Now you are even resorting to Iains' stunt of making great play of my reluctance to do clickable links, notwithstanding that I always provide my sources and support them with comments of my own. That is obsessive behaviour, Nigel, which contributes zilch to the matter to hand (normal for you, I've noticed), and it's obsessive behaviour that is directed at one person overwhelmingly. That is the very epitome of stalking. Cop yerself on, Nigel. Oops, "yourself" that should be. Don't want you wondering what I mean, do we now?

As for a David Davis and his difficulties, I noticed that he's developed a sort of nervous belly-laugh for when he's cornered. Michel Barnier must think he's a real hoot.

Iains, you're just jealous because of your own lack of education, something you reveal here all too often. You clearly learned how to express that jealousy from your long-gone mentor, whom God preserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 10:50 AM

True Iains, just remind me what the exchange rates were before the Brexit vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 10:56 AM

The exchange rate against the dollar is strong because the dollar is weak. The exchange rate against the euro is still as flat as a witch's tit. Unemployment is low because many millions of workers are either "self-employed" (meaning that the people they work for don't have to provide holiday pay, sick pay, maternity pay or national insurance), or on zero-hours contracts, or on bogus apprenticeships, or part-time whether they like it or not, or temporary, or seasonal. This all explains why productivity is so weak. Comment is free but facts are sacred.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:02 AM

"At the same time, the pound may stumble tomorrow as CBI’s latest distributive trades index is expected to report that UK retail activity slowed this month."

(From the Daily Liar - oops, sorry, Nigel, Daily Express. Even your far-right brexiteer mates have their doubts).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:09 AM

The exchange rate against the euro is still as flat as a witch's tit.

2 hours ago,
"The GBP/EUR exchange rate has been range bound for some time now but it's current surge means it could be about to break out.
Pound Sterling has risen strongly versus the Euro with one Pound going from buying only 1.1324 Euros at the open of Wednesday's trading, to buying 1.1476 at the time of writing just after noon.
This represents a 0.8% rise - a move of this size is rare for this usually conservative currency pair."
https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/8377-the-pound-to-euro-reaches-key-make-or-break-level

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:10 AM

Raggytash it has been explained many times that prior to the brexit vote the pound was over valued and already undergoing correction long before the date of the referendum. If you wish to delude yourself and blame a natural correction on brexit there is little I can do to help you. The explanations exist on this forum, the required links, and the graphs.It is all there. All you need to do is read it.
"Iains, you're just jealous because of your own lack of education,"


Unlike you shaw I do not feel a need to boast about my education.
You merely betray your constant insecurity by constantly harping on about it.
By the way, are you a well educated scientist, a botanist, or ex teacher? You have an ego big enough to compete with God, Christ only knows why!
Here is a link to diminish your pig ignorance.


/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:20 AM

Well done, Iains. Just goes to show that even those educated by Jesuits cannot do blue clickies :-D

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:26 AM

The only voice I have heard suggesting the pound was over valued prior to Brexit has been yours Iains.

For some considerable time before the Brexit vote the pound was trading in excess of 1.30 Euro, it had reached a high eighteen months before that in excess of 1.40 Euro.

Currencies do not trade overvalued for prolonged periods. Can you find a source I can trust which maintains the pound was overvalued because frankly I don't trust your opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:27 AM

BTW - You need to edit the link so it does not include 2 'mudcat.org's

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638

Instead of

https://mudcat.org/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638

I'll let Nigel explain the niceties. He is obvioyusly the master of the URL

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:49 AM

Raggytash nitpick with a graph


https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/bank-of-england-spot/historical-spot-exchange-rates/gbp/GBP-to-EUR


Dave I was only linking to the little ditty. Frequently older links no longer link. Not much point in pointing that out because our resident "scientist?" boasts he never opens them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 12:14 PM

Iains the links do work: Thread 14638 but that is indeed an old thread. There is now a tool for making blue clickies immediately below the reply box.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 01:12 PM

Oh but I do open them, Iains. Sometimes. I never said never (we educated chaps learned reading skills, you know). I just tried your first effort there. 404 not found. After all you said. Bwahahaha! Told you, didn't I, chaps! He don't need no educashun, he ain't got no thought control, don't see value in the classroom, Oi, Stevie! This guy's brain's a bone! Now where's me sandals...

Well, Keith, here's my prediction. The pound's about to soar down again against the euro. You'll see. As a matter of fact it's already losing today's gains quite impressively. And there's nothing rare about movements in a day or two of a cent or less. Look it up and don't believe all you read.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 01:13 PM

BTW - You need to edit the link so it does not include 2 'mudcat.org's
https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638
Instead of
https://mudcat.org/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638
I'll let Nigel explain the niceties. He is obviously the master of the URL

You don't even need that much. Including "https://mudcat.org/" routes the search via the world wide web. the link to find is just "thread.cfm?threadid=14638". That will do the search within the Mudcat site.

Why do people read out the abbreviation 'www' as "double you double you double you"?
Nine syllables instead of the three for "world wide web". I thought abbreviations made things shorter.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 01:17 PM

Tools making blue clickies? I should coco!

Oops, misread that. Tools FOR making blue clickies. Well slap ma wrist. At least, I suppose that our right-wing contingent in deep and earnest wrangles about their clickies keeps them off the streets. The right-wingers, that is, not the clickies...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 01:39 PM

Pound gone down half a cent in a few hours this affy, Keith. *Sigh,* eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 02:13 PM

Interesting that the fall after the vote is nothing to do with Brexit but the rise seems to be, if that is what the "Roll on Brexit" post was intended to mean.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 04:41 PM

Iains I don't need to nitpick with the graph. The graph tells it all for everyone to see.

Immediately after the Brexit vote the pound slumped against the Euro (and the Dollar) it has not, as yet, recovered.

It has persistently traded at less than 10% against the Euro of it's previous value.

(I've used this figure so you cannot argue semantics about precise rates)

The fall was caused by one reason, and one reason only, and that was that the UK government decided to extract themselves from the EU.

Can I suggest you take another look at the exchange rates both before, during, and after the Brexit debacle.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:08 PM

But Raggytash, he's a member of the Party of the Little England Bravefaces. He's officially a Pleb!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:10 PM

Raggytash you are going around in circles. Do you sing about "the wheels on the bus" as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:42 PM

Nah. We're down to Two Wheels On My Wagon. Another wheel is about to drop off, and David Davis thinks that a toy digger he bought from from Morrisons at Christmas is a trolley jack.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 03:22 AM

See, I told you he would explain it. He even knows how people pronounce things just by reading them.

Amazing!

BTW - If you are being pedantic about not needing the www because that is the default then you do not really need the https or http either because that is also implied.

To get to the thread in question you just need to put

mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638 or, better still as you would not even need to do a DNS lookup

96.89.184.237/thread.cfm?threadid=14638


DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 04:10 AM

To get to the thread in question you just need to put
mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=14638 or, better still as you would not even need to do a DNS lookup
96.89.184.237/thread.cfm?threadid=14638

Wrong again.

If you are linking to Mudcat (from within Mudcat) you do NOT need to identify the mudcat site in your link. just include what comes after the "/" (as I stated above). Links from outside Mudcat do require more.
To link to this thread, all that is required inside the angled brackets is (without the quotes) "a href=thread.cfm?threadid=162855"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 04:59 AM

To link to this thread, all that is required inside the angled brackets is (without the quotes) "a href=thread.cfm?threadid=162855"

Not if you are C&P'g the link into the address bar. If you are linking from another window you need the host name segment. If you use the address bar, you need the host name segment. If you are linking from within Mudcat's link maker it does not matter whether you put it in or not. So, to ensure that your link will work from wherever you put it, it is a good idea to use the host name or address.

So, not wrong at all. Just different ways of doing the same thing. The method I displayed works from anywhere. Yours only works from within Mudcat. And you don't need to put the 'a href=' in the link maker. It does it for you.

2/10 for effort.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 05:17 AM

Don't stop now, Dave. At this rate you could keep the PLEBs occupied until after brexit...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 05:29 AM

Latest quote from David Cameron @ Davos, caught on camera by Channel 5 News, and reported in this morning's Metro:
Re Brexit: "As I keep saying, It's a mistake, not a disaster" . . . "It's turned out less badly than we first thought. But it's still going to be difficult."

This from the architect of 'Project Fear'.
Maybe, if he hadn't been so quick to 'jump ship' he might be dealing with this better than Theresa May.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 05:39 AM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 10:27 AM
Jim, if I did say that (I don't remember), I was being sarcastic: it wasn't me calling people plebs, it was me characterising the leavers as treating people like gullible plebs. I can be a bit subtle for some of these eejits, you know.

If it wasn't Steve calling people 'plebs' before, it certainly is now.

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 05:08 PM
But Raggytash, he's a member of the Party of the Little England Bravefaces. He's officially a Pleb!

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 05:17 AM
Don't stop now, Dave. At this rate you could keep the PLEBs occupied until after brexit...

And I object to being called a 'little Englander'. I owe no allegiance to England.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 05:42 AM

And before you claim it's an acronym, it's your own invention as a means to use the term 'plebs'.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 06:11 AM

From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 11:26 AM
The only voice I have heard suggesting the pound was over valued prior to Brexit has been yours Iains.
For some considerable time before the Brexit vote the pound was trading in excess of 1.30 Euro, it had reached a high eighteen months before that in excess of 1.40 Euro.
Currencies do not trade overvalued for prolonged periods. Can you find a source I can trust which maintains the pound was overvalued because frankly I don't trust your opinion.

Perhaps you would consider the IMF and Governor of the bank of England as credible sources?

From Here, dated 17 Oct 2016
In February, the International Monetary Fund said the sterling was overvalued by somewhere between 5% and 15% in 2015. Just before the referendum, the IMF put the over-valuation slightly higher, saying that sterling was overvalued by between 5% and 20% in 2015. Other experts, like the former governor of the Bank of England and the IMF, have agreed that sterling was overvalued.
On 14 October, the effective exchange rate was 18% below the average for 2015. That's the value of sterling compared to a range of other currencies used by the UK's most important trading partners. If nothing had changed since the IMF's recommendations were made, it could mean sterling was now undervalued.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM

Steve,
Pound gone down half a cent in a few hours this affy, Keith. *Sigh,* eh?

It fluctuates constantly of course, but you said it was "as flat as a witch's tit."
In fact it is creeping up, this week anyway.
1 hour ago,
"Ahead Of First ECB Rate Meeting Of 2018
Modified: Jan 25, 2018
Written by Colin Lawrence
The Euro has plummeted against the dominant Pound today, ahead of a key ECB monetary policy meeting."
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