BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 10:56 AM

Guido Faulks is not an extreme site.

Written by a right wing tosser with an extreme right wing audience in mind

Whatever Conor Gearty is a professor of, he is still a fool if he equates Brexit to the Vietnam war.

He doesn't

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 11:06 AM

No professor you demanded "Tell us what you think" something you resolutely refuse to do on every possible occasion.

You always claim that someone else said it (whatever the subject) and cower like a true poltroon behind their words.

You are in no position to demand anything from anyone.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 11:06 AM

Written by a right wing tosser with an extreme right wing audience in mind

Of course when you can't challenge what he writes........

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 12:02 PM

Here you are jimmie. Specially for you and your pathetic little mates.

The mad professor again:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-vietnam-eu-withdrawal-talks-deals-trade-economy-lse-human-rights-law-con

As I said previously, read GUIDO for incisive journalism!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:08 PM

No, Iains, that is the Independent's interpretation of what he wrote. As I said, I read the original blog. And in fact both my reading and the Independent's agree he sees parallels, not equivalence.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:19 PM

"Here you are jimmie. Specially for you and your pathetic little mates."
And there you go substituting childish abuse for argument once again
You link gave me "page not found" anyway, which just about sums up everything you have said so far.
Grow up, will you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:23 PM

Fawkes is what he described himself to be - a purveyor of "tittle tattle, gossip and rumours about Westminster's Mother of Parliaments."
If he can't get himself right why on arh should he be trusted on anything else
Private Eye used to do far better when they were at their height some decades ago
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:37 PM

The Vietnam War memorial in Washington DC is, in my view, the most impressive in its way of any war memorial I have seen anywhere in the world.

Generally, war memorials are a triumphal arch, or a monolith, or some variation of these, such as the Menin gate. The Vietnam memorial is different. It resembles nothing so much as a great scar cut into the land itself, a self inflicted wound, created by those who continued to pour more and more men into the fight rather than face up the possibility they were putting ideology over the well-being of the nation.

As one of the protest songs of the time had it

"Lyndon Johnson told a nation
Have no fear of escalation
I am trying everyone to please.
Though it isn't really war
I'm sending 50 thousand more
The help save Vietnam from the Vietnamese".


Those who have eyes to see...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:39 PM

"sees parallels, not equivalence."
Who cares? The man is a buffoon and the entire article is nonsense.
I would not waste my time arguing over parallels or equivalence. It is of zero interest to me what his conclusions are.
So Jimmie is the independent the equivalent of Guido? a right wing site which excels itself in peddling conspiracy theories "
Someone to be taken very, very seriously - obviously!!

Answers on half a postcard please. Otherwise I may get bored.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:45 PM

Fawkes ( Paul De Laire) Staines is a blogger, nothing more
His causes have included groups like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_a_Free_Britain
and he previously ran acid house parties before he found blogging more lucrative
Someone to buy a used car from….!!!!
I suppose he's a step up from your last oracle - a website owned and controlled by a Russian billionaire
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:47 PM

TO MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU as you appear to have trouble with links
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 01:57 PM

I should say I have read his full blog post and I see him making a parallel there, not claiming equivalence.

Fair point DMcG.
Delete, "Whatever Conor Gearty is a professor of, he is still a fool if he equates Brexit to the Vietnam war. "
Insert, "
Whatever Conor Gearty is a professor of, he is still a fool if he compares Brexit to the Vietnam war.

Dave, you are entitled to believe that the blog is"Written by a right wing tosser with an extreme right wing audience in mind."
Is your opinion based on any actual knowledge or facts that you are prepared to sgare with us, and does it mean that you regard it as an extreme site?

Rag, your latest post about me is all lies.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 02:15 PM

A wonderful link Jim. All fine upstanding people that make you proud to be British. A glittering example to display before the Labour lowlife doncha think?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 02:20 PM

Dave, The Independent makes the same point as Guido Fawkes.
Is that "Written by a right wing tosser with an extreme right wing audience in mind?"

Or, are you a left wing tosser who thinks that if he decrees something to be right wing he can just dismiss everything from it without any other justification?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 03:08 PM

"Or, are you a left wing tosser who thinks that if he decrees something to be right wing he can just dismiss everything from it without any other justification?"
Just as you automatically dismiss everything you disadree with as "leftie ranting" d'you mean?
"A wonderful link Jim."
Glad you like it; thought you might with your politics - it's one of the organisations Fawkes/De Laire Staines is associated with (when he isn't organising acid-house parties)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 04:41 PM

Is your opinion based on any actual knowledge or facts that you are prepared to sgare with us, and does it mean that you regard it as an extreme site?

Yes it is based on knowledge and actual facts as anyone who has read his blog can see. I have stated my views, substantiated them and will go no further. I am no longer prepared to jump through the hoops that you invariably lift higher and higher.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 05:07 PM

D the G. I enjoy a circus, especially this one!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 05:24 PM

I enjoy a circus, especially this one!

Only if you can see yourself as ringmaster. In reality, you're one of the clowns.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 05:38 PM

Iains, can you honestly say you enjoy the professors inane ramblings??

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 05:58 PM

Yet another beauty from today's Daily Mash.

It took six months and a lot of work but we've caved completely, says David Davis

BREXIT minister David Davis has proudly told Britain that after six months of tough negotiating he has given in to every single one of the EU's demands.

Davis, who turned up to negotiations in June with a blank notepad and a hopeful expression, promised that nobody could have fought harder or achieved less than he did.

He continued: "From the first day, when I conceded that negotiations would proceed exactly as the EU had decided and then spent months trying to reverse that, I have been massively out of my depth.

"For fruitless meeting after fruitless meeting, I have vainly insisted that things that were never going to happen should happen, no matter how clear it was that I was wrong.

"And, finally, after battling through our own reality-denying pigheadness, we have achieved what we could have achieved on day one by capitulating utterly.

"Now we have caved on the divorce bill, look forward to me caving on EU citizens' rights and Northern Ireland in short order. Certainly before Christmas."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 06:06 PM

The abbapotomus is sowing dissent in the Labour ranks:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5128199/Diane-Abbott-calls-second-referendum-deal-EU.html

"In reality, you're one of the clowns."

Impossible my dear boy, when up against the likes of you! It is so much easier to choreograph the clowns.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 06:11 PM

You're drunk, aren't you, Iains?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 06:25 PM

Oh Shaw, that crap has passed it's best before date.........yaaawnnn.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 08:17 PM

So she's called Diane Abbott. Just in case you didn't know, boobs. Some people like to use their real names. I'm one, and so is Diane. I know you're not one of them. Or two of them. Still at it, are you, by the way?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 03:17 AM

The abbapotomus

What an awful expression to use about someone who has had to suffer prejudice all their life. The plus side is that it shows you as a nasty piece of work that has no qualms in using someones race, gender or appearance against them. Well done.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 03:39 AM

"The plus side is that it shows you as a nasty piece of work that has no qualms in using someones race, gender or appearance against them. Well done."

What a pathetic little creature you are gnome. Pop back under your stone there's a good lad.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 03:48 AM

"The abbapotomus is sowing dissent in the Labour ranks:"
Sexist with a touch of racism thrown in
Not so long ago this clown was whingeing about racist Ukip being described as "scum"
Get the connection?
Sadiq Khan has also called for a second referendum, if Abbopotumus is come, can 'Turban Head' be far behind
You only enjoy this because you refuse to respond to any of the points with anything like intelligent argument
That has become the technique of you trio - if you can't handle it, pretend it isn't there
LIKE THIS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 03:48 AM

"So she's called Diane Abbott. Just in case you didn't know, boobs. Some people like to use their real names. I'm one, and so is Diane."

Thread #162548   Message #3870346
Posted By: Steve Shaw
06-Aug-17 - 05:37 PM
Silly Inanes. Silly Keith. Inane Iains. Inane Keith. Quite possibly, though I'm no medic, insane Iains and insane Keith.

You are a fool shaw

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 03:52 AM

THIS IS WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN LINKED
Ignore away
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 04:11 AM

Not only do you ably demonstrate your disregard for other people Iains but then go on to underline it by insulting those who point it out. I am sure someone must be proud of you. Teribus maybe?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 04:34 AM

More double standards?

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 08:17 PM
So she's called Diane Abbott. Just in case you didn't know, boobs. Some people like to use their real names. I'm one, and so is Diane. I know you're not one of them. Or two of them. Still at it, are you, by the way?

Whenever you find yourself losing an argument you start calling me 'Nige' in a patronising tone, although you are aware that that is not my name.

Also you have been happy to support Jim Carroll's use of denigratory names for politicians.

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 04 Oct 17 - 12:11 PM
. . . Calling politicians names and lampooning them is all par for the course. 'Twas ever thus. In fact, it's a healthy sign that we live in a democracy and not a dictatorship, in which "disrespecting" leaders could cost you your head. It is not the same on this forum as we are addressing each other, not third parties who aren't listening. There has been a very persistent trend for two members here to call Jim "Jom" or "Carroll" and me "Shaw." Yes plenty of us are guilty of indulging in similar practices at times, it can't be gainsaid. However, the Shaw, Jom And Carroll are hostile attempts at talking down by two people who are singularly unqualified to talk down to anyone.

Yes, definitely double standards.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:08 AM

The name being used against Diane Abbott in this thread goes way beyond all that, Nige. It has sexist and racist undertones and is directed against a woman with multiple medical issues. Do try to see the, er, nuance in this...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:24 AM

"Also you have been happy to support Jim Carroll's use of denigratory names for politicians.2
Oh dear -
Politicians have been fair game for name-calling ands satire throughout history
Most decent satirists gave up prsonal attacks based on physiacal appearance (as used here by Iains) decades ago
Comparing non-whites and those of different cultures to animmals has been a racist commonplace forever
The fact that Iains leaps on his chair when racist Ukip is attacked sums up what he is pretty well
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:28 AM

Anyway, out of the swamp and back to breggzit (as I heard a news pundit pronounce it yesterday). I note that net migration has plummeted, mostly due to EU citizens either leaving or not coming any more. Many or most of those are people who would have added value to our economy and public services, but we have no control over the exodus.

No control. Ironic, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:29 AM

Dave,
"Is your opinion based on any actual knowledge or facts that you are prepared to share with us"

So, as I suspected, the answer is "no."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:30 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:08 AM
The name being used against Diane Abbott in this thread goes way beyond all that, Nige. It has sexist and racist undertones and is directed against a woman with multiple medical issues. Do try to see the, er, nuance in this...
The name I've seen in these threads seems to be 'Abbapotamus'. To me this would be a cross between her name (Abbott) & 'Hippopotamus'. It may be a dig at her proportions, but I don't see how you can possibly claim that it is either racist or sexist.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:35 AM

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3685515/diane-abbott-sparks-fury-as-its-revealed-she-once-branded-uk-one-of-the-most-fundamentally

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/788957/question-time-diane-abbott-brexit-racism-xenophobic-suella-fernandes-labour-mp


https://www.change.org/p/jeremy-corbyn-mp-remove-diane-abbot-as-a-labour-mp-for-her-outright-racism-against-british-and-white-pe

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12029702.Abbott_denies_attack_on_nurses_was_racist/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:03 AM

Do any of them call her "The abbapotomus", Iains, or do even the gutter press draw the line at using sexist and racist insults? It seems you have sunk even lower than your preferred news sources.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:09 AM

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 04:41 PM

Is your opinion based on any actual knowledge or facts that you are prepared to sgare with us, and does it mean that you regard it as an extreme site?

Yes it is based on knowledge and actual facts as anyone who has read his blog can see. I have stated my views, substantiated them and will go no further. I am no longer prepared to jump through the hoops that you invariably lift higher and higher.

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:29 AM

Dave,
"Is your opinion based on any actual knowledge or facts that you are prepared to share with us"

So, as I suspected, the answer is "no."

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:09 AM

Iains
So the right wing Sun, the Express and a petitioner whose petitiion was banned because it "violated our Community Guidelines "violated our Community Guidelines" don't like Diana Abbott
Are you really attempting to justify your personal verging on racist attacks on the woman?
As I pointed out, equating other races with animals is the oldest RACIST PLOY in the book
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:28 AM

This American thanks Theresa May for condemning President Trump for posting white nationalist the videos on Twitter.
Enough of the silence concerning the psychotic episodes of our ( Russian installed ) dementia addled and delusional comic reality clown of a public servant.

I called Reagan a man suffering from brain disease on live TV 3 years before it was announced he had Alzheimer disease. The least people can do is tell the truth. The most they can do is tell the truth daily.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:29 AM

Jimmie and poxy little gnome. Try growing up!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:43 AM

"Jimmie and poxy little gnome. Try growing up!"
We seem to have arrived at your level of debating Iains
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:45 AM

Jimmie and poxy little gnome. Try growing up!

Stop digging, Iains. You have already proven beyond any shadow of doubt that you have nothing useful to add.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:57 AM

Let's take back control of our borders! Abandon breggzit!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 08:09 AM

Can we not just abandon borders?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 08:44 AM

First lets all abandon Inanes!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 09:32 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:09 AM
. . . As I pointed out, equating other races with animals is the oldest RACIST PLOY in the book

It may,/I> be used as a racist ploy, at times. But that does not mean that that is always the case.
Describing the British infantry as "lions led by donkeys" is intended to disparage the military leadership. Neither "lions" nor "donkeys" is intended as a racist slur.

Likewise "Abbapotamus" might merely be a comment on her size. But there are some who will read racism & sexism into anything.
I have no personal insight into who coined the term, or what their intentions were. And while I wouldn't use the term, I cannot see it as either racist or sexist.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 09:48 AM

Likewise "Abbapotamus" might merely be a comment on her size

And you think that is OK because..?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 09:58 AM

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 09:48 AM
Likewise "Abbapotamus" might merely be a comment on her size
And you think that is OK because..?
I didn't say it was Ok. I try to avoid using any derogatory names.
The point I was making is that some are to quick to read racism or sexism into everything.