BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 02:08 PM

you like this idea of relaxation of standards or you may not. But is it what Leavers voted for?

(By the way, I do have a speech impediment.)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 01:52 PM

"I.m glad "
It seems we both have typo problems
Do tyou have problems with people with speech impediments - would fit in with your ageism and racism
Hope it isn't in the genes
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 01:27 PM

I.m glad you agree with me about gibbering. does your speech have as many impediments as your attempted spelling? try less lemon!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 11:56 AM

"I see our sour little scouser is still biting on lemons as he gibbers away!"
Yep - still at a loss for an answer - try therapy
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 11:48 AM

Speakeing for the wrld again Iains?

I see our sour little scouser is still biting on lemons as he gibbers away! Tell me, are your random keystrokes part of a contest between yourself and a monkey? To see who can type something sensible first?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 11:14 AM

"No one wants to listen to you!"
Speakeing for the wrld again Iains?
Little has changed in a DECADE and a HALF
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 10:58 AM

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/under-new-eu-rules-refugees-face-asylum-rejection-if-they-leave-country-of-a

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 17 Feb 18 - 10:42 AM

The vast majority of refugees make landfall in mainland europe. Their status and future treatment is determined by international law in whatever country they first landed. Their subsequent migration within Europe is strangely enough with the status of migrants.Different laws apply.
To spell this out to the slow of thought, the protocols apply as soon as the asylum seeker makes landfall in europe. Subsequent travel within Europe is either with permission to retain refugee status, or merely as migrants(economic?)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:17 PM

Those protocols apply to refugees already in this country. What we are currently doing is striving as hard as we can to keep them out in the first place so that we won't have to apply the protocols. 0nly 20,000 in five years under the Tories, remember, Nigel and Iains? Who do you think you're trying to kid?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 07:37 PM

Acceptance of refugees and asylum seekers will be unchanged.

"How can anyone possibly know that when no-one knows what the full effects of brexit will be yet?"

Because the UK is signed up to the The Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees.This is a key treaty in international refugee law which entered into force on 4 October 1967. 146 countries are parties to the Protocol. The earlier 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees placed both temporal and geographic restrictions on refugees. Interestingly the US is a signatory to the earlier convention, but not the later Convention.

The principle of non-refoulement, which prohibits the return of a refugee to a territory where his or her life or freedom is threatened, is considered a rule of customary international law. As such it is binding an all States, regard-less of whether they have acceded to the 1951 Convention or 1967 Protocol.

A "migrant" is anyone who seeks to move overseas. A "refugee" does so in conditions where they have been forced from their homeland. And an "asylum seeker" is someone who says he or she is a refugee, but whose claim has not yet been definitively evaluated.

Thank you Iains. And for the benefit of those who cannot understand plain English.
The above agreements were entered into before the UK became part of the EU. Us leaving the EU should have no effect upon these agreements.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:59 PM

Acceptance of refugees and asylum seekers will be unchanged.

"How can anyone possibly know that when no-one knows what the full effects of brexit will be yet?"

Because the UK is signed up to the The Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees.This is a key treaty in international refugee law which entered into force on 4 October 1967. 146 countries are parties to the Protocol. The earlier 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees placed both temporal and geographic restrictions on refugees. Interestingly the US is a signatory to the earlier convention, but not the later Convention.

The principle of non-refoulement, which prohibits the return of a refugee to a territory where his or her life or freedom is threatened, is considered a rule of customary international law. As such it is binding an all States, regard-less of whether they have acceded to the 1951 Convention or 1967 Protocol.

A "migrant" is anyone who seeks to move overseas. A "refugee" does so in conditions where they have been forced from their homeland. And an "asylum seeker" is someone who says he or she is a refugee, but whose claim has not yet been definitively evaluated.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:30 PM

Thanks for making my point for me, Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:06 PM

Keith: when people refer to the "Guardian" they usually mean the national newspaper, not the provincial paper "The Northwich Guardian"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 03:40 PM

Jim ........... hoops, hoops and more hoops!!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 12:48 PM

Dave,
Brexit only effects immigration. Acceptance of refugees and asylum seekers will be unchanged.

How can anyone possibly know that when no-one knows what the full effects of brexit will be yet?

Easy Dave. Immigration from EU is a Brexit issue.
Other immigrants, refugees and asylum seekers are irrelevant to the issue of EU membership.

Jim, your last rant was also irrelevant to anything discussed here.
Please be clear, do you agree with DUP that both cultures should be treated equally, or with Sinn Fein that nothing but the Irish language be recognised in law?

Guardian,
"Sinn Fein wants a standalone piece of legislation to protect speakers – an Irish Language Act – but the DUP has long insisted it would only countenance new laws if they also incorporate other cultures, such as Ulster Scots. "
http://www.northwichguardian.co.uk/families/national/15991612.Irish_language_debate_hinders_hopes_of_Stormont_powersharing_breakthrough/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 10:54 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:26 AM

They come here, Dave, drivin' down us wages, stealing us daughters, cloggin' up us 'ealth service, mekkin' funny wailin' noises from them mosque wotsits...

...showin' us what real food is, fixin' plummin and lecturing c, runnin' cheap all-night taxis when us needs to get 'ome pissed, cleanin' us Premier Inns, pickin' us veg and daffs, wipin' us old folks' bums fer next ter nowt, lookin' after us sick, doctorin' us when us 'as funny turns...bugger...

And before that it was the Romans. And what did they ever do for us?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 10:47 AM

You are confusing immigration with asylum.

I'm not confusing anything with anything. I am clarifying what was meant by "People with valuable skills will always be welcome".

Brexit only effects immigration. Acceptance of refugees and asylum seekers will be unchanged.

How can anyone possibly know that when no-one knows what the full effects of brexit will be yet?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 10:30 AM

"ruthlessly exploited in the past and left impoverished,"
Strange. I see nothing in the article below to support the statement. But never let the facts get in the way of a good story. After all we learned from Paul Joseph Goebbels that the sound bite is all important, never mind the truth.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/refugee-crisis-migrants-bangladesh-libya-italy-numbers-smuggling-dhaka-dubai-turk

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 10:13 AM

"Jim, your last rant was not relevant to anything discussed here."
Not a rant Keith - a fact
Irish history is stained with the blood of English interference
"but want the majority culture recognised equally."
Equality has been ignored, even suppressed for nearly a century - now, when an equilibrium is being reached all of a sudden it has become important to you people
Sinn Fein want nothing of the sort you eejit - they want a positive discrimination that will restore Irish back into the North after centuries of suppression
Do you sertiously believe that any party would attempt to remove a dominant language from the curriculum
Ulstre Scotch is a dialect rather than a language and that is established where people choose to use it
We are talking about an entirely different language that has been virtually driven out of existence by a foreign power
Mind your own business for crying out loud - howw many times have you told me I have no say in what happens in England because I no loner live there, even though I was born and spent well over half my life there?
You appear to have spent a few holidays here butt out ad learn your lesson
It's academic anyway - if the British Government go on the way they are doing, they will lose both England and Scotland
ou talk about "majorites - how about the fact that the sicx counties and Scotland vored against Brexit - are you going to give them the right to back out?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 10:07 AM

"People escaping from countries that we have either ruthlessly exploited in the past and left impoverished, people from countries that our foreign policy has completely screwed up, or both?"
Opinion masquerading as fact again.
Now for some facts:(you read it in the Guardian. You know it makes sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/09/what-caused-the-refugee-crisis-google

Jimmy you are talking shit again. No one wants to listen to you!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 09:40 AM

Jim, your last rant was not relevant to anything discussed here.
Whatever your view of DUP, they are happy for the Irish language to be recognised in law, but want the majority culture recognised equally.
Sinn Fein want Irish language only and nothing else is acceptable to them. Is that your view too?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 09:34 AM

Dave,
What about refugees with nowhere else to go or those fleeing from regimes where death and torture are commonplace? Are you saying that the only people we should let in are those who can serve us well?

You are confusing immigration with asylum.
Brexit only effects immigration. Acceptance of refugees and asylum seekers will be unchanged.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:43 AM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 07:53 AM
You do realise that you are talking about real, live, vulnerable human beings, people the same as you and me but a damn sight less lucky, do you, Nigel? People escaping from countries that we have either ruthlessly exploited in the past and left impoverished, people from countries that our foreign policy has completely screwed up, or both?

Yes, I do understand what refugees are.
I don't agree that this all stems from our foreign policy. Whether all refugees are from ex-British colonies, whether it is that colonial past (rather than more recent dictators / religious uprisings) which has caused their current problems.
Whether any of this is caused by trying to increase the population in lands which cannot cope with an increased population.

What I am not trying to do is belittle the suffering of these people, just clarify whether there is any justification to your claim that our (past) foreign policy is the sole (or even part) cause.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:30 AM

"Lecturing c" was meant to be "lectric!"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:26 AM

They come here, Dave, drivin' down us wages, stealing us daughters, cloggin' up us 'ealth service, mekkin' funny wailin' noises from them mosque wotsits...

...showin' us what real food is, fixin' plummin and lecturing c, runnin' cheap all-night taxis when us needs to get 'ome pissed, cleanin' us Premier Inns, pickin' us veg and daffs, wipin' us old folks' bums fer next ter nowt, lookin' after us sick, doctorin' us when us 'as funny turns...bugger...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:01 AM

But Steve, they are damned furriners ;-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 07:53 AM

"We should always have room for refugees (although not a limitless number). But we see (comparatively) few. David Cameron arranged to take refugees directly from camps in Northern Africa, thus discouraging the dangerous crossing of the Med.
The 'refugees' gathered in Calais would not be refugees if they come to UK, as they are not under threat from France.
The open door policy of Angela Merckel has made the situation worse than it previously was."

You do realise that you are talking about real, live, vulnerable human beings, people the same as you and me but a damn sight less lucky, do you, Nigel? People escaping from countries that we have either ruthlessly exploited in the past and left impoverished, people from countries that our foreign policy has completely screwed up, or both?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 06:53 AM

I have heard it said that if people want to study the written Irish language they should go to the Vatican as many of the texts held there are written in Irish Gaelic.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 06:42 AM

"A comprehensive study published in 2007 on behalf of Údarás na Gaeltachta found that young people in the Gaeltacht, despite their largely favourable view of Irish, use the language less than their elders."
That is because of the migratory nature of the Irish people - at the time of the Celtic Tiger, when there was work at home, Irish regained some of its former popularity
It is proof thet Irish is still considered significantly important tot to be let die out
Masses of Irish literature is in Gaelic and probably will never be translated - new works are appearing constantly
I've heard loud enough howls about English culture being swamped by immigrant culture in schools yet you people are quite happy to dictate that Irish should be let disappear
The Little English want to have their cake and eat it
The DUP is an extremist party with terrorist links - it no longer has a majority support in the North and has to rely on other partieds
Pretty soon the religious balance will change in favour of Irish nationalist culture, it is wrong that Unionists who have forcibly attempted to destroy native Irish culture since 1922 should have any say in as important an issue as language.
It s certainly has nothing to do with Little Brits who are in the process of fucking up their own culture and social structure
You peop;le really need to keep your noses out of the affairs of other countries - the world is still in bloody turmoil over the mess left behind after centuries of British domination - Asia, The Middle East, Africa.... still post-colonial battlefields
Your Empoire is as dead as Ancient Rome - learn to live with it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 06:09 AM

Facing. Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 06:07 AM

In Raggy's link it says:
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Surveys by the BCC showed that nearly three-quarters of firms trying to recruit had been experiencing difficulties "at or near the highest levels since [BCC] records began over 25 years ago", he said.
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So that is the position today. Any statement about what the upcoming immigration policy will be has to be viewed against the criterion of whether it will ease or worsen that situation. At the moment all we hear are the generalities about controlled immigration, rather than enough detail to answer the question.

Which, to remind people, is oxcurring today. Not some forecast, not waiting until Brexit happens, nor anything wlse that avoids faxing the issue now.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:44 AM

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:19 AM

People with valuable skills will always be welcome.

What about refugees with nowhere else to go or those fleeing from regimes where death and torture are commonplace? Are you saying that the only people we should let in are those who can serve us well?

We should always have room for refugees (although not a limitless number). But we see (comparatively) few. David Cameron arranged to take refugees directly from camps in Northern Africa, thus discouraging the dangerous crossing of the Med.
The 'refugees' gathered in Calais would not be refugees if they come to UK, as they are not under threat from France.
The open door policy of Angela Merckel has made the situation worse than it previously was.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:32 AM

I wonder Dave what "valuable skills" are required to pick fruit and vegetables.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:19 AM

People with valuable skills will always be welcome.

What about refugees with nowhere else to go or those fleeing from regimes where death and torture are commonplace? Are you saying that the only people we should let in are those who can serve us well?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:17 AM

"What do you speak on something you know nothing about
Irish was dying at one stage now it is making a comeback as people realise that it is an important part of their identity"
?????????

"A comprehensive study published in 2007 on behalf of Údarás na Gaeltachta found that young people in the Gaeltacht, despite their largely favourable view of Irish, use the language less than their elders. Even in areas where the language is strongest, only 60% of young people use Irish as the main language of communication with family and neighbours, and English is preferred in other contexts.[11] The study concluded that, on current trends, the survival of Irish as a community language in Gaeltacht areas is unlikely. A follow-up report by the same author published in 2015 concluded that Irish would die as a community language in the Gaeltacht within a decade.[12]

The Irish government has adopted a twenty-year strategy designed to strengthen the language in all areas and greatly increase the number of habitual speakers. This includes the encouragement of Irish-speaking districts in areas where Irish has been replaced by English.[13] The 2015 independent report on the Gaeltacht commissioned by Údarás na Gaeltachta, however, does not regard this strategy as likely to be successful without a radical change in policy at national level."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 05:10 AM

Rag, the headline from your link, "Business leader warns May against harsh immigration policy "

No-one wants a harsh immigration policy.
People with valuable skills will always be welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:57 AM

From Wiki:

"Some definitions of Ulster Scots may also include Standard English spoken with an Ulster Scots accent"

Ulster Scots

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:42 AM

The British Chamber of Commerce chief has rather put the lie to immigration being a problem for the UK, a kick in the pants for many Brexiteers I believe.


Immigration Worries

It would seem we rather rely on immigration.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:41 AM

I agree that children and family should be left completely out of these arguments. Mentioning your own family and their achievements is an exception.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:34 AM

Jim,
"The DUP were happy for the language to be recognised, "
Nope - Forster was prepared to compromise but her party kicked it into touch

Jim, the DUP position is that the Irish language should be recognised but also Ulster Scots.
Sinn Fein's intolerant, belligerent and sectarian position is that the Irish language only can be recognised and nothing else is acceptable.

Here are the relevant quotes from the Guardian;


"He (Sinn F?in's national chairman) said that only a "standalone" Irish Language Act that excludes other languages spoken in Northern Ireland from this legislation was acceptable."

"The former first minister (Robinson DUP) stressed that an Irish Language Act "can be accommodated" as long as Ulster Scots is also supported in the same legislation.
Robinson continued: "It is entirely legitimate for Sinn F?in to press for an Irish Language Act and of course there is every need for all the parties to respect, and where possible, accommodate differences. but that can never be a one-way street."
"There is no credibility in asserting your need to have your culture respected if you blatantly disrespect that of others.

"So let's see a sensible deal. Who can complain if there are those who cherish the Irish language or who passionately support Ulster Scots culture? Who would find it unacceptable for arrangements to be put on a statutory basis to protect and support both? Both can be accommodated."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/27/irish-language-act-hampering-northern-ireland-power-sharing-talks

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:30 AM

So Shaw you support this statement by jimmy the ranter?
"Are they racists like their old man?"

Puts you in the same category of lowlife as jimmy. We all know that the ranter makes no attempt to control what he posts but for a "well educated whatever you are I am surprised you support him insulting people he has never met and thankfully never likely to.
But then you mudrats do like to stick together.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:25 AM

"jimmy. "
You spelled it right this time - must have sobered up
" I think we can leave my children out of this."
You brought them in when you tried to tell the Irish what they needed and what they didn't
It must be difficult for them to have to have been brought up by a racist - hope they turned out with more compassion and common humanity than theirt old man
"in the rocking chair and less on the keyboard."
Ageist as well - jaysus - they really did have an uphill battle, didn't they?
"Why do you not just go away?"
In your dreams boyo - and miss the fun of watching you humiliate yourself!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 07:15 PM

Calm down and have another six pints, Iains. It was you who brought your children into the discussion. Check yourself out at 12.20, and the only spittle-flecked rant today was your last post.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 06:19 PM

"
"A bit like jimmies little englanders"
No capitals, no commas, woth Ireland, name spelt incorrectly
How are your kids in English ?
Hope they don't look on you as an example . Perhaps jimmy has spent too much "littlepeople"
Are they racists like their old man?"

What a pathetic little man you are jimmy. I think we can leave my children out of this. The fact that you feel it necessary to bring them into the discussion does not say much for your character does it?
In fact you are something I would make a point of scraping off my boot before venturing into the house, as you would definitely pose a health hazard.

You have some nerve to pick holes in my postings. Hell you cannot even copy and paste without screwing it up, and you obviously put so much bile into your posts that you fire them away before even proofreading them.
If all you can post are spittle flecked rants perhaps you should stop. It appears that all you manage accomplish with threads is fuck them up. Maybe you should spend more time in the rocking chair and less on the keyboard. You may feel that you are a self proclaimed expert on folkmusic but judging by your posts on other subjects expertise is not the word that springs to mind when considering the content. You are an anachronism- Why do you not just go away?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 03:25 PM

"The DUP were happy for the language to be recognised, "
Nope - Forster was prepared to compromise but her party kicked it into touch

"People have taken the trouble to learn it, but it is not spoken."
Plenty of it spoken around here
What do you speak on something you know nothing about
Irish was dying at one stage now it is making a comeback as people realise that it is an important part of their identity - even spoken English here is based on Irish language speech patterns
The bookshops now cover Irish language books and have separate sections - even the Irish Times covers a page of it
There are several radio programmes entirely in Irish and one of the four major stations TG4 is based on the Irish language
Some of te major Journals, aprticularly cultural ones are Irish-based Bh?oloideas, being the Folklore one
You litle Englanders make me howl - you fuck up the economy, divide the people, cause an increase in racism, put the jobs of many thousands of British people ar risk, bring about a sharp increase in racism, rigsk the break-up of Brtiann.... and all the other Bexit shit so "Britain can have her own identity", yet when other countries try to do the same you tell them thaey don't need it
Who are you people and why didn't you all disappear in a puff of smeoke when the Empire collapsed
One of the constant questions I have to as is why don't the Irish hate the British
I suppose everybody needs someone to laugh at
Anyway - it'll all be academic when Brexit runs its course and brings about a UNITED IRELAND - that's where May and her circus are heading for
You people have never learned anything from history, do you?
I'd have thught the mass meurder of the Leadersd of Easter Week should have taught you something - yet woru still occupy your little Red, White and Blue world
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 03:21 PM

This is one way of getting the kids involved. They look like they are having a ball.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A6__HssHW8&list=RD1A6__HssHW8

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 03:00 PM

The Gaeltacht covers extensive parts of counties Donegal, Mayo, Galway and Kerry – all along the western seaboard – and also parts of counties Cork, Meath and Waterford.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 02:51 PM

You never hear it in a pub

Been in every pub in Northern Ireland have you, Profesor?

    Lord have mercy....

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 02:32 PM

Rag,
About 10% of the population of Northern Ireland can speak the Irish Language. In the Republic many people are bi-lingual but English remains the major Language.

People have taken the trouble to learn it, but it is not spoken.
You never hear it in a pub say as you still can in a few places in the Republic.

Jim,
Arlene Foster actually agree in a compromise and took it back to her party - the rednecks threw it back in her face

The DUP were happy for the language to be recognised, but asked that the majority culture received some recognition too.
Sinn Fein was too intolerant to accept anything else.

DMcG
Jim is absolutely right, in my view, when he refers to "Irish culture, north and south is based on the Irish language".

The culture of the Unionist people, still the majority in the North, has no connection with the Irish language.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 01:23 PM

I do not argue that Irish culture is based in part upon the gaelic language.If you read my post instead of firing from the hip you would notice culture played zero part in my post. Irish Culture deserves far more than a one liner.
I took issue with the following:
"Irish kids (even the "brainwashed" ones) have managed reasonably well to become bi-lingual ansd anybody knows, once you develop linguistic skills to that level, it becomes much easier to learn other languages"
The statistics give the lie to that statement.