BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 06:59 AM

Also, according to

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 05:18 AM

"They get sacked."
You are joking!!
The lies that matter are protected by the 'Thirty Year' rule
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:44 AM

We all know what happens when office holders are caught lying.
They get sacked.
She states she will "maintain" and "enhance" workers rights, and we do not need EU to tell us how to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:30 AM

We all know that Theresa May always sticks by what she says don't we...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:30 AM

"I have said that we will maintain workers? rights and indeed enhance workers? rights.?"
Betcha none of this includes a job, a job you want to do, a voice in the workplace and a half-decent living wage
Any takers

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:26 AM

Theresa May on the workers' rights issue,
“I have said that we will maintain workers’ rights and indeed enhance workers’ rights.”

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:05 AM

I had to smile at a point made in the article linked by DMcG

An economists’ study says Brexit is already costing Britain £350 million a week in lack of growth, investment and output.

Remainers were quick to point out the figure bore a remarking resemblance to the figure that certain pro-Brexit campaigners suggested would be available for the NHS after the UK's departure.

It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 08:48 PM

Anyway, are you there, MikeL2? Man U whacked by good ol' Westcountry Bristol City? How good is that! I expect you'll be blaming it on us remoaners...Still, I'll be able to rub salt in the wound when Liverpool slaughter Arsenal on Friday!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 07:37 PM

Totally shitty drive home, Dave. Roadworks M60. Roadworks M62. Massive 18.7 mile roadworks M6. Huge roadworks clogup at start of M5. Two lanes closed by silly twats shunting near Cribbs Causeway. That was another 45 minutes of my life up the spout and about a billion cost to the economy. The icing on the cake was thick drizzle and glaring headlights for at least 200 of the miles. I tell you, mate, I'm a shadow of me former self. And I have to confront erecting the bloody Christmas tree tomorrow. That's always a tribulation in our house as Mrs Steve is hopeless at gripping the bole and inserting the bolts at the bottom, and that, I assure you, is no double-entendre. The way I'm feeling tonight, that will be the last erecting I do until at least New Year's Day.

Anyway, what was that we were talking about? Something about the transition that Theresa had in mind but which ain't happening? Single market, customs union, court of justice, was it? Having to stick to EU rules but unable to vote, was it? Or was it the IMF telling us in kind words that we're not quite a basket case due to brexit but that we're heading that way...? Still, never mind. We can always just listen to Boris!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 07:10 PM

A bit too much scrapping at the end there!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 07:08 PM

Well the Tories are the supreme party of the scrapping of all workers' rights. They've been at it ever since Maggie took ideological revenge on the miners and steelworkers by trashing their communities and wrecking the futures and self-respect of millions of ordinary working people (whilst simultaneously giving the yuppies free rein to rip the country off). They dress it up via the ultimate euphemism "the flexible labour market." That basically means that trade unions are emasculated, that job security is a thing of the past, that temporary, part-time and bogus "apprenticeship" become de rigeur, that millions have to be declared "self-employed" so that employers don't have to pay their stamps or provide holiday or maternity pay, that a million or more can be put on zero-hours contracts, not knowing from day to day whether there will be work or pay. Blair's second-biggest sin was to fail to reverse that vengeance. Or was it his short-sighted failure to restore regulation of the banks... So, anyway, scrapping the working time directive, one of the EU's best and most humane rules, will be scrapped. No surprise there then.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:02 PM

The Mirror reported on 19th that Teresa May was asked eight times to rule that out, and refused to rule it out.

As always, Hansard is available if anyone wants to check the precise questions and answers.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:46 PM

More good news from the Brexit camp.


Tories plan to scrap EU rules on work hours and paid holidays


It gets better and better...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:23 PM

Taking and giving offence over who said what when is a bit on the trivial side, I suggest.

Well said cousin McG. Thank you.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:07 PM

"No-one cares about your puerile name calling you sad man."
An oxymoron by a moron
Made my day
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 01:30 PM

Or, as Les Mis puts it:

"...but now there is a higher call.
Who cares about your lonely soul?
We strive towards a larger goal
Our little lives don't count at all!"

Let's remember that, for good or ill, we are talking about something that will affect us all, and generations to come. Taking and giving offence over who said what when is a bit on the trivial side, I suggest.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 01:10 PM

It should have just been SADGIT but, unfortunately, I cannot resist pointing out the irony in the statement

No-one cares about your puerile name calling you sad man.

However, it does lowers the level of debate

You couldn't make this stuff up. Mudcat would keep a comedy script team going for years.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:03 AM

Whoops,

Dave,
Apologies, Keith. I do realise that initials used could be offensive to you

We are all grown ups here Dave, or the rest of us are.
No-one cares about your puerile name calling you sad man.

However, it does lowers the level of debate and it does harm Mudcat so I hope someone within Mudcat encourages you to desist.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 11:02 AM

Dave,
Apologies, Keith. I do realise that initials used could be offensive to you

We are all grown ups here Dave, or the rest of us are.
No-one cares about your puerile name calling you sad man.

However, it does lowers the level of debate and it does harm Mudcat so I hope someone within Mudcat encourages you to desist.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 10:45 AM

Apologies, Keith. I do realise that initials used could be offensive to you and do not mean much to anyone else.

I did suggest that they were used to indicate that a post was being ignored rather than continuing a pointless argument. I have rethought and now propose that a different vehicle is used.

How about 'Seen And Duly Given Indifferent Treatment'?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 09:50 AM

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 09:39 AM

I had no idea that there might be an "official Brexit anthem".
If there has to be one maybe we would be better off taking something from Kipling:

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say:
"We invaded you last night ; we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld
And then you'll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:
"Though we know we should defeat you,
we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away."
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we've proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: --
"We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 09:26 AM

"The official Brexit anthem"
The words are about as undistinguisheable as the policy
How about this for an ALTERNATIVE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 09:00 AM

But if anyone pulls you up on it you can say that is not what you meant.

You've pegged him perfectly, that's his favourite little game which he plays with nauseating frequency and thinks he's pulling the wool over everyone's eyes - deluded he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 08:22 AM

Dave,
"TC"

When I asked BWM to justify his claims against me, you advised him not to jump through my hoops.
I willingly jumped through all your hoops over what I said about you, you conceded defeat three times, and yet you bring it up yet again on yet another thread!

I said you were in the anti-Green camp.
You are, but in your usual obsequious way pretend or imagine you have not revealed your position.
You have, so please drop it you sad man.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:41 AM

If anyone is interested in real musical satire rather than a tired rehash of a pop song with a poorly edited slide show you cannot go far wrong with Fascinating Aida's post-Brexit song

Enjoy.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:31 AM

To quote Terry Pratchett:

Sodomy non sapiens

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:28 AM

I recommend you watch the follow on pizza video. It reminds me of many mindless discussions on mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:24 AM

What a coincidence! I was down in the Midlands on Monday and had avocado on toast with poached eggs in a cafe in Burton on Trent :-) Have a safe journey.

I think we were trying to have a sensible conversation. Buggered if I know what the others are on about.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:23 AM

The official Brexit anthem


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL8TJsM86x0

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:19 AM

Off home in a mo, Dave. Bloody northern drizzle ever since I arrived. I must say, that coffee shop at the top of Scholes Lane in Prestwich (the Coffee Sack) is a brilliant little place. Lovely grub and great coffee. I had avocado on toast with poached eggs. Mother had a beef bangers toasted butty. Five stars on Trip Advisor if I can be arsed!

Now what were we on about...?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:58 AM

The gnome is actually an accomplished verbal chameleon. He changes his argument as soon as he is challenged.

Now who might the others be on this forum that behave in like manner?
A clue. They spend most of the day babbling on mudcat to provide a false persona of assumed superiority to cover for their real life inadequacies.

Most of us have other aspects of our lives that take precedence.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:09 AM

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:07 AM

Dave,
do a Keith and stick by your statement even though there is no evidence?

I PMd you the posts where you assumed Green's guilt, and the other evidence was that I correctly deduced your position on Green from reading your posts.
You are no supporter of Green, and your posts clearly show that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 04:57 AM

I constructed that scenario, Nigel, to see if - short of a second referendum which I wouldn't want - there was any way of assessing "the will of the people" on the kind of Brexit that leavers would accept.

It sounds as if you think not.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:58 AM

when I used the term 'opponents' on this thread, I was referring to opponents of your viewpoint

So do I Nigel, which is why I would never describe genuine opponents as stupid. I will always treat anyone with an opposing viewpoint with respect and accept that they are entitled to their own views, no matter how daft I think they are. The stupidity that goes on here has nothing to do with opposing viewpoints but with how some treat other people regardless of what they are saying and being so rigid as to never accept the merits of another person's argument.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:51 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 01:52 PM
I'm not too bothered by polls either way. The referendum mattered, and the elections matter, but not polls.
So let us try a thought experiment, making three big assumptions. All painful for some here, but I hope they agree they are not impossible. Unlikely, perhaps, and unwanted, but not impossible.
Suppose
(a) an election is called next year
(b) Labour is finally clear and says it will leave the EU, but wants to be as close as possible, including keeping the single market and the social chapter on the same terms as now
(c) Labour win the election.

In that hypothetical situation it would depend what the other parties to the election had had in their manifestos as well. Prior to the rise of UKIP we had many elections where neither of the main parties were prepared to consider leaving the EU, and we voted for the party we best considered able to lead the country. Voting for them didn't mean that we wanted to be part of Europe (as we weren't even being asked about that).

The referendum was a single-issue vote which allowed the public to make their preferences known.

In your hypothetical scenario, the Labour party might win, solely because of those who always vote Labour. It would not necessarily mean that those voters supported the manifesto view on how to deal with Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:43 AM

Nice to see all the rats gather. Those that post the most irritate the most. Think how much better the forum would be if you all got a life.

"Anyone who considers this forum in terms of opponents and supporters is just not worth wasting time on."

What a funny little creature you are. You consistently post arrant nonsense.
Have you all suddenly had a Damascene conversion, seen the light and become brexit supporters?

What a twerp!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:41 AM

Dave:

If that was aimed at me, as the previous post was:
Claiming that your opponents are 'stupid'

But that is not what I did is it, Nigel? Can you provide a link to where I said that any of my 'opponents' were stupid
Ok. Not your actual wording. But how else are we to understand your earlier post:
I guess not everyone is as stupid as some on here
Latest poll results.
Shame they did not realise it before the referendum.
You seem to think you can describe some people as 'stupid' (and from the discussion in which the post was made, it would appear that you mean those who support Brexit). But if anyone pulls you up on it you can say that is not what you meant.

Would you care to say who you were describing as 'stupid'?

As to considering the forum in terms of opponents & supporters, when I used the term 'opponents' on this thread, I was referring to opponents of your viewpoint (i.e. supporters of Brexit) as that is what this particular thread is about.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 03:08 AM

Agreed, Steve. Anyone who considers this forum in terms of opponents and supporters is just not worth wasting time on.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 08:00 PM

I could suggest to everyone of sound mind on this forum to refrain from responding in any way at all to anything that the misfit Iains posts from now on. He'll be gone soon and no-one of any importance will be influenced either by his posts or by your response to same. Let's just work to get shut of him, which means not really doing any work at all. Say no more. Literally.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 06:54 PM

Iains, could I suggest that we all refrain from personal abuse

The forum has improved tremendously in recent weeks.

(KAOH excepted of course)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 06:33 PM

The wizened little gnome definitely belongs on a different planet.
If not suggesting the opponents are stupid then the only other people left in the equation are himself and all who sail with him.
As the old adage goes:
Stupid is as stupid does

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 04:25 PM

Claiming that your opponents are 'stupid'

But that is not what I did is it, Nigel? Can you provide a link to where I said that any of my 'opponents' were stupid or are you going to do a Keith and stick by your statement even though there is no evidence? Maybe the different morality and different planet badges will be yours soon :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 03:48 PM

You are a Tory brexiteer par excellence, Nigel. Take pride in it, mate! I love being called a leftie remainer. It's a badge of pride. I always find it amazing that Tories like Nigel absolutely HATE it when they get called Tories! It's almost as if they really know, as the rest of us do, that being a Tory is actually a horribly wrong thing to be. Just fancy aligning yourself with the party of self-interest, of exploitative landlordism, of the pyramid of unearned privilege, of tax evasion, of yuppies and fatcats, of me-first and to hell with the disabled, the badly-housed and the undeserving poor! But you talk Tory all the time, Nigel, and you DEFINITELY talk brexit. So that makes you a Tory brexiteer! Why take it as an insult!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 02:56 PM

"A poll is simply a poll. "
Unless, of course, it comes up with the answers you are looking for
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 02:36 PM

Hi Nige

l<"No one said that leaving the EU would be all gains, with no losses. many of those who voted to leave did so in the knowledge that there would be gains and losses, but looking at the overall picture.">

So true Nigel but "some people prefer not to see it that way"....

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 01:52 PM

I'm not too bothered by polls either way. The referendum mattered, and the elections matter, but not polls.

So let us try a thought experiment, making three big assumptions. All painful for some here, but I hope they agree they are not impossible. Unlikely, perhaps, and unwanted, but not impossible.

Suppose
(a) an election is called next year
(b) Labour is finally clear and says it will leave the EU, but wants to be as close as possible, including keeping the single market and the social chapter on the same terms as now
(c) Labour win the election.


In that hypothetical situation, will the leave supporter here be arguing that the will of the people for such a soft Brexit must be respected?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 01:05 PM

2100...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 12:04 PM

The gnome has a very peculiar logic. The referendum results are an absolute value. A poll is simply a poll. The accuracy cannot be guaranteed. In fact some recent ones have been demonstrably wrong. So what point the funny little creature is trying to make escapes me entirely. 'Twould seem the stupid one is he.