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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Steve Shaw 23 May 18 - 07:51 PM
Raggytash 23 May 18 - 04:44 PM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 18 - 03:59 PM
Iains 23 May 18 - 01:26 PM
Jim Carroll 23 May 18 - 01:14 PM
Iains 23 May 18 - 12:52 PM
Jim Carroll 23 May 18 - 11:05 AM
DMcG 23 May 18 - 10:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 18 - 10:41 AM
Iains 23 May 18 - 10:27 AM
Raggytash 23 May 18 - 10:25 AM
Iains 23 May 18 - 10:10 AM
Jim Carroll 23 May 18 - 06:59 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 18 - 06:48 AM
Raggytash 23 May 18 - 06:36 AM
Steve Shaw 23 May 18 - 05:39 AM
Backwoodsman 23 May 18 - 05:28 AM
Iains 23 May 18 - 05:19 AM
Steve Shaw 23 May 18 - 04:29 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 18 - 03:39 AM
Iains 23 May 18 - 03:32 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 May 18 - 03:01 AM
Iains 23 May 18 - 01:59 AM
Jim Carroll 22 May 18 - 08:29 PM
DMcG 22 May 18 - 05:42 PM
Raggytash 22 May 18 - 03:57 PM
Iains 22 May 18 - 03:25 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 18 - 07:51 PM

If it's pure news, presented in a neutral way, that you're after, the best you can hope to do is seek out sources that try to keep comment and hidden tendentiousness out of their news reports. Even then, you're at the mercy of the fact that a newspaper only has so much space and a radio/TV broadcaster is strapped for time. Someone has to decide things like what page an item goes on, how many column inches it gets, whether it gets the banner headline for that page, etc etc. Or indeed whether it gets in at all.

Apropos of keeping comment out, the best newpaper sources are the Guardian and Telegraph. The worst are the Sun, Mail and Express. Guido Fawkes starts out with an agenda, therefore is not to be trusted. I'm with Jim on sources such as Electronic Intifada and al Jazeera. There's much good stuff in both and journalistic standards are high, though quoting them as sources is a game not worth the candle around here. The flip side of that is highly amusing: one or two people here are more than happy to quote disreputable sources such as Guido Fawkes and the Mail, often just putting up the link with either a "witty" little aside or no comment at all. Speaks volumes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 May 18 - 04:44 PM

Mea Culpa Iains, guilty as charged.

However for days, weeks nay months you have not provided a single rebuttal to any of the articles I have linked to.

Not once.

I have asked this question many times, do you have ANY good news about Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 18 - 03:59 PM

Better clean up your own act before dictating to others methinks!

Says he who throws around insults then goes off on a strop if anyone dare to point that out!

The hypocrisy really is getting tedious and the abuse is definitely adding nothing. How about putting a stop to it now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 01:26 PM

"Whilst both projects are interesting in their own right I fail to see the relevance to "Post Brexit life in the UK"
Says he who happily babbles on about off topic items such as weeds and endless trips to ireland.
Better clean up your own act before dictating to others methinks!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 18 - 01:14 PM

"Jim you are talking complete bollocks as usual."
Back to your loutish arrogance Iains
Are you really unaware that it is a sign of your floundering for a decent answer ?
You have it exactly right - you pick only sources that fit your right-wing mind-set and reject everything that doesn't
We already knew that - to tell us, tell your priest
The rest of us take what information that is offered and debate it
I suggest a few manners classes might be in order before you join the adults - your arrogant name-calling was amusing; now it is just repetitively tiresome
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 12:52 PM

Jim you are talking complete bollocks as usual. It is not the guardian's data I dislike it is their socialist interpretation. I use sources that interpret the data in a way I largely agree with. A lot of the time this is "alternative sources" because because the MSM tend to either totally sidestep issues, or follow the government line.
Now obviously when the going gets political some of the data starts to become iffy, apart from economic data (too many sticky hands enforce consistancy)Whether it be fact or fiction is another argument.
Wartime casualty figures
Who bombed whom
Who poisoned whom
Received explanations for the above cases will never satisfy everyone, in fact they polarize opinion. There is a major problem trying to isolate fact from fiction. Propaganda, government funding of certain bodies, the "great game", economic warfare all contribute to the fog of war. Who you believe depends on where you are coming from. If a government narrative is being pushed you need to study the politics behind the agenda, if you can.
They say history is written by the winners. They omit to add that the actions forming the history are also determined by the wannabe winners, and the true story is often very murky. Taking everything at face value on offerings such as by the white helmets, likely leads to erroneous interpretation. You need to search behind the facade and enquire as to the contents of the accompanying Pandora's Box.
Today no news source is trustworthy and I find many blogs and internet sites make a far better job of both presenting and interpreting data, as opposed to the constant dissembling by the MSM. Such is the world we live in. It is why I find Guardian articles so hard to stomach. Their politics frequently over rides common sense. They are as false as the BBC trying to claim impartiality. It is a shame that sites like global research offer a far more informed analysis of many events than the MSM. This is probably why they take such a constant knocking.
Disparage such sites as much as you like but you will search long and hard to find better informed analysis of global events. You may not like the conclusions, you may take a totally opposite view, but generally the presentation is second to none.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 18 - 11:05 AM

Your problem is your inability to distinguish between data and opinion (or opinion edited data) Iains
You sneer constantly at date put up from the Guardian yet expect us to swallow opinions by Fawkes the Fool who offers little more than a personal agenda.
I studiously avoid quoting Al Jazeera and the Plaestinian supporting Electronic Intafada, despite the fact that both contain masses of well-researched information because I don't want to get bogged down in arguments on sources.
You really do want to have your cake and eat it
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 May 18 - 10:50 AM

That is why I keep recommending we link to the source data - like Hansard - whenever we can, not to anyone’s interpretation of the data, whether than is Guido, the Guardian, the Express or Joe Public in a tweet.



A link to any of those other things is sensible when you want to discuss is Guido’s or the Guardian’s (etc) interpretation of the facts. If you want to discuss the base data, linking to Guido or Guardian instead includes all their interpretation of the facts, which by implication you agree with unless you make it plain you do not.

Not that I claim I am perfect in following this either...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 18 - 10:41 AM

My comments result from the total inability of certain people here to work out that any data from any source is easily verified by a quick search.

"Perhaps they should return to the nursery and play with coloured chalks all day." and "I get more sense talking to a brick!" are not just comments though are they Iains? They are abusive insults that are likely to get the thread closed. Which is the point I was making.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 10:27 AM

"You stop posting off topic insults and I will commenting on why you do it."

My comments result from the total inability of certain people here to work out that any data from any source is easily verified by a quick search. Therefore mocking the source of the article whether it be CNN, Al Jazeera, Gudo, Blacklisted news or monty python is surely a sign of inhibited brain function or as it is internationally known as mental retardation. In the UK it is bracketed under learning disability.

Now I have probably made this point about the source being irrelevant many times in the last couple of years, but the same tired old responses keep coming out. e.g. nutty bloggers like Guido Fawkes. You may well dispute his interpretation but any facts he presents can be verified, as I have above. Therefore shooting the messenger because you dislike the message is pure stupidity, because the facts still remain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 May 18 - 10:25 AM

Could I remind you Iains that it is the UK who have upset the apple cart

We will all survive, it is not (hopefully) life threatening but as Mark Carney said yesterday real incomes are £900 per annum lower than what was expected, the UK Economy is at least 1.75% possibly 2% smaller than expected. Business Investment is 4% smaller than expected, and the weaker pound drove up inflation.

Not my words but the words of the Governor of the Bank of England.

Ireland may have to find alternative routes for their exports but compared to the problems we face it is a pinprick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 10:10 AM

If there is no deal before brexit then Ireland has a major import export problem. As yet they have done zilch to alleviate this problem, in fact they are trying hard to stir things up. Do they want to restart the troubles? It certainly seems like it from my perspective. The only scheduled ro ro services to europe are to roscoff and santander. Neither location is suited for northern european trade, where the bulk of the action is. The EU either stops squabbling about a UK transit for Irish traffic or Ireland has to magic up some alternative regular scheduled routes to Europe. This needs to be done without impacting existing scheduled services. As I have said repeatedly it is an Irish problem, they need to negotiate a solution. They can threaten brexit all they like but how do they seriously think they can prevent it. They appear to have a negotiating position derived from swimming in Guiness for the last few months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 May 18 - 06:59 AM

"On no occasion did you address the points raised"
He has addressed none of the points made other than to dismiss them as unimportant
Britain needs to negotiate with both the North and South of Ireland in order to make an orderly retreat from Europe - to barge its way out would leave behind a mess comparable to the worst Colonial withdrawals
Barnia has promised he will not sign Britain off without an agreement that guarantees an open border, The DUP has said that they will not consider a barrier between the Six Counties and mainland Britain
Neither the Tories or the DUP have working majorities in their respective Parliements
"What a fine mess you've got me into Stanley"
Address that Iains
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 18 - 06:48 AM

The last couple of comments off the little gnome are merely provocative and inflammatory

Well, in the light of genuine provocative comments like "Perhaps they should return to the nursery and play with coloured chalks all day." or "I get more sense talking to a brick!" I think my assumption that you are trying to get the thread closed is quite reasonable, Iains.

But, yes, it does add nothing to the topic in question. Neither do yours though so I will do you a deal. You stop posting off topic insults and I will commenting on why you do it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 May 18 - 06:36 AM

Iains re your post at 05.19.

The first article relates to trials at Drax Power Station to produce carbon nuetral electricity the second relates primarily to bio fuels for vehicles.

Whilst both projects are interesting in their own right I fail to see the relevance to "Post Brexit life in the UK"

Yesterday I linked to several articles, directly related to the Brexit discussion. On no occasion did you address the points raised in those articles or on my comments about them.

I'm wondering if even you are now having doubts about the wisdom of leaving the EU.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 18 - 05:39 AM

That's the worry, though, John. His periods of reasonableness suddenly end in spittle-flecked rants (did I really say that?) that are completely unforced. That kind of unpredictable behaviour swing has no place here. I'm cutting him out. He's an idiot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 23 May 18 - 05:28 AM

"Dave, he acts like Mr Reasonable for a time and then, without goading or warning, goes off on one. To me, that seems medical. I'm adding him to me shortlist of those who must be cut loose, along with bobad, Keith and Bruce."

Well at least we do actually get periods of reasonableness from Iains now, Steve. And, in truth, during those periods he becomes a perfectly likeable guy - his opinions differ from those of others here, but that's the nature of debate, and it's fine. It's certainly an improvement on his loutish behaviour when he was Teribus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 05:19 AM

Suffering from a touch of whimsy mayhap? You really should stop this remote medical diagnosis shaw. Is quack medicine another of your dubious attributes?

The last couple of comments off the little gnome are merely provocative and inflammatory, adding nothing to the discussion/debate/farce.
Others call it trolling. You need to take your fellow mudrat in hand shaw.

Here is a little nugget to chew on concerning EU greening madness:
https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/business/power-station-drax-aims-to-place-uk-at-front-of-green-energy-race-1-9172531
But the gruniard says:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jan/29/biofuels-are-not-the-green-alternative-to-fossil-fuels-they-are-sold-as

And of course to make the economic and ecological case for the project we close the coalmines next door and ship in biofuel from thousands of desecrated trees in the US.
Thats the EU for you.
Better out than in!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 18 - 04:29 AM

Dave, he acts like Mr Reasonable for a time and then, without goading or warning, goes off on one. To me, that seems medical. I'm adding him to me shortlist of those who must be cut loose, along with bobad, Keith and Bruce.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 18 - 03:39 AM

Thought as much.

You are not really a morning person are you, Iains?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 03:32 AM

The gnome has nothing to say as per usual. I do not know why you hang around and fester on this forum if you spend so much time saying nothing. Have you thought of taking up a hobby? other than constantly shit stirring!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 May 18 - 03:01 AM

Still trying to get the thread closed down then, Iains?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 May 18 - 01:59 AM

What Guido made perfectly valid comments on concerning Galileo was a speech by Barnier on the 14th May. An extract below:
"One word on Galileo. There have recently been many press articles – and many misunderstandings.The UK decided unilaterally and autonomously to withdraw from the EU. This implies leaving its programmes as well.So, we need to put the cooperation on Galileo between the EU and the UK on a new basis.In doing so, our responsibility is to maintain the autonomy of the EU and to protect our essential security interests.The EU's rules on Galileo have been in place for a long time, and are well known to the UK.In particular, third countries (and their companies) cannot participate in the development of security sensitive matters, such as the manufacturing of PRS-security modules.Those rules were adopted together by unanimity with the UK as a member, and they have not changed. and a link to the full text below:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-18-3785_en.htm
My second link to   guido concerning hi tech investment in the uk in 2017 is supported by numerous reports:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-tech-sector-brexit-2017-investment-record-leave-eu-london-startups-a8143021.


http://www.londonandpartners.com/media-centre/press-releases/2017/20180105-2017-record-year-for-london-and-uk-tech-investment
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidprosser/2018/01/05/uk-breaks-tech-investment-records/#26c8ae2248b3

Now do I disparage the content of the happy clappy socialist rag the guardian? NO! I always presume the data presented is reasonably accurate. It is frequently the analysis I have a problem with.

Sadly many of those commenting here seem unable to separate the two.
They seem unable to check things for themselves. They like to make ridiculous statements on everything and anything and seem incapable of carrying out any sort of meaningful research. They bury theirheads in the sand if they do not like the messenger and cannot understand the message. Perhaps they should return to the nursery and play with coloured chalks all day.

It does get rather tiresome when it is the same two fools constantly harping on about the messenger and refusing to acknowledge the message, even though it can easily be verified. Maybe they still need spoonfeeding as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:29 PM

"I get more sense talking to a brick!"
Why do you never address the points put to you directly ?
If you are not prepared to do so - why are you here other than to make these discussions a platform for your own ego?
"I see you never have the audacity to ask Shaw to post links! Why is that?"
Not sure who you are addressing here but I have never noticed Steve dredging the web for quotes from nutty bloggers like Guido Fawkes and Russian Billionaires - may have missed something
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 18 - 05:42 PM

EU rejects the latest 'backstop proposal on the grounds i they need a permanent backstop not a time limited one. As I said at the time it was announced, it was a self evident nonstarter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 03:57 PM

Simple Iains, for much of the time Steve is on one side of the debate and you are on the other.

If you post something to support your particular argument it may be something I haven't already read (given some of your "sources" that's hardly surprising)

If you want to convince people having reliable, trustworthy sources can be paramount.

I'm afraid Guido Fawkes does not fall into this category.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 03:25 PM

I see you never have the audacity to ask Shaw to post links! Why is that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 03:22 PM

I get more sense talking to a brick!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 18 - 02:59 PM

It is repetition such as yours that achieves nothing Iains
Ireland doesn't need British ports to sell to Europe - But Britain needs an open door to
Try posting links and not giving halff- truths Iains
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 02:47 PM

Ireland is the one that needs the alternative routes, not the UK. Trying to frustrate brexit with meaningless threats achieves nothing. To replace all the UK bound ferries with alternatives needs infrastructure under construction now. Try a little homework before posting meaningless links. As in so many other things you pontificate on, you show a woeful lack of knowledge of the real issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:45 PM

"The reality is below. A problem the Irish need to address instead of idle threats."
Not idle threats
These ships are in service and have been welcomed by Europe as an alternative if Britain falls at the "border" fence, as it looks likely to
THeir potential has been fully covered on the Irish media
Wake up and smell the coffee
The world doesn't need Britain and Trump will go wherever it suits his election chances
No "SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP " any more
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:36 PM

Direct shipping between ireland and europe is miniscule at present.
Between Ireland and the UK there are 4 ports serving ireland (Belfast, Dublin, Rosslare and Cork) The destinations are Cairnryan, Liverpool, Holyhead, Fishguard, Pembroke and occasionally Roscoff and Santender.
Apart from the last two destinations there asre multiple sailings each day to and from Ireland to the UK. An appreciable component of the "cargo" comprises HGV's. The infrastructure at Cork and Rosslare is probably inadequate to cope with additional traffic should other ports no longer be used. These changes need to be happening now unless seamless cross border movements are agreed. Prevarication and bullheadedness will impact Ireland far more heavily.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:26 PM

... the port capacity...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:24 PM

I should have been clearer. Chartering may be necessary as well, but it did not seem to me to be the focus of the article. Certainly, if you want more routes you need more ships on them and they do have to come from somewhere. But as I say I saw the article as mainly being "even if you had the ships, the capacity is insufficient.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:21 PM

Come to think of it Irish Ferries are already one step ahead.

Their new ship the W B Yeats, due to come into service next year, has three kilometers of vehicle decking.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:19 PM

Of course it may be an issue.

A the moment P&O, Stena and Irish Ferries run ships from Ireland to the UK, from Dublin, Rosslare and Larne to the UK. Irish Ferries run 8 ships to a day to the UK, Stena the same. (Irish Ferries also run 3 ships a day to France.)

Some of that freight then travels on the mainland Europe.

If Customs delay that traffic the hauliers will want alternative routes and the shipping companies will provide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:14 PM

The article is not, particularly, raising chartering ships as an issue, as far as I can see. The problem is more the capacity of the ports to handle the ships.

That is a fairly straightforward investment decision, held up at the moment because the UK still can't decide what relationship with the EU it wants, so the EU does not want to make a major investment that may not be necessary. But if it becomes clear the investment is needed, it will happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 01:05 PM

Chartering ships is an everyday process, relatively simple. Given that shipping companies already do so on a daily basis, chartering more ships will not be an obstacle.

Maybe maybe not.
Others see a degree of complexity involved. I would presume they would know considerably more about the problems than you. If chartering ro ro ships was a simple everyday occurrence they would not be flagging it as an issue.
Perhaps the irish need to study stacking. They may need to!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 12:25 PM

Chartering ships is an everyday process, relatively simple. Given that shipping companies already do so on a daily basis, chartering more ships will not be an obstacle.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 12:12 PM

Your link is mainly about mr hasbeen powell(never heard of him)
The existing shipping links between ireland and europe are totally inadequate to provide alternative routing avoiding the UK.

The reality is below. A problem the Irish need to address instead of idle threats.




https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/more-european-routes-needed-for-irish-ports-462063.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 18 - 11:19 AM

This isn't going to help either
https://www.independent.ie/business/brexit/irish-shipping-firms-plan-to-bypass-british-ports-with-direct-routes-to-europe-36782777.html
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 10:14 AM

Another potential blow to the UK post Brexit. The EU are to open talks regarding free trade with Australia and New Zealand in advance of any talks between the UK and these nations.

EU Talks

At present the EU, including the UK, have a trade with NZ of about $20 Billion (NZ). Post Brexit the UK will have about $4 Billion (NZ)

I can guess who will get the better deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 18 - 09:30 AM

You are nothing if not predictable Iains
You are presented with a major blow to Brexit - do you attempt to discuss it - do you ****
You scamper around like a rat sprinting away from the farmers wife and scoop up meaningless blogs
Guido Fawkes is an extremit mindless blogger (as can be judged by the quality of your blogs)
As far as immigration being linked to low wages - of course it is when both customers and employers happily use cheaper Labour to drive down wages - as old as immigration iyself
Until Britain adopts a an enforceable and realistic living wage policy to ensure that this is not allowed to happen it will continue to divide Britain
As human beings, we are morally obliged to accept refugees, especially from wars we have been part of causing - that has always been something Britain has been rightfully proud of in the past - now it has become a weapon in the hands of the extremist right
THIS IS THE ALTERNATIVE IF WE ABABDON OUR HISTORY
Your gleeful announcement only underlines the inhumanity of your position
Snigger away
Your dog-eat-dog world is nothing to be proud of
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 18 - 09:15 AM

*Sigh* What did I tell you about Iains at six o'clock yesterday evening.... :-(


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 09:03 AM

OK, so your first link is to the Economic Voice is basically a blog, your second and third links are to Guido Fawkes (again) another blog.

They do not inspire any degree of confidence.

Can you really not come up with anything better?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:47 AM

and they just keep coming!

https://order-order.com/2018/04/20/uk-tech-investment-surges-115/
Same terms and conditions apply as above.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:44 AM

snigger, snigger!

https://order-order.com/2018/05/15/barniers-lost-space-galileo/
Now to help the more simple minded among us comment on the content, not the origin. Got it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:34 AM

https://www.economicvoice.com/bank-of-england-research-finally-accepts-immigration-causes-lower-wages/

Old but still one in the eye for remoaners!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:11 AM

Four Ulster Parties have come together and agreed that there should be no hard border and that Britain should remain in the Single Market
This means th DUP no longer has a majority - it seems Maggie May threw away the Billion bribe !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:03 AM

A further extract:

"The Bank of England governor gave MPs a clear reminder of the cost of the 2016 EU referendum today, by warning that households are £900 worse off today than expected.

During his testimony to the Treasury Committee, Mark Carney explained that the UK economy is currently 1% smaller than expected two years ago. That’s despite the world economy, and particularly the eurozone, growing faster than forecast since then.

According to Carney, if you adjust for the stronger global economy and the UK government’s fiscal easing, the UK is actually around 1.75% smaller, perhaps even 2%, than you might expected today.

That has a real impact on families and individuals across the country.

As Carney puts it:

If you map it onto household incomes, real household incomes are about £900 lower than we forecast, which is a lot of money.

Some of this loss can clearly be ascribed to Brexit. Business investment has been up to 4% weaker than forecast -- as firms have been hit by uncertainty over Britain’s future trading relationships.

Households have suffered by the drop in real incomes (which turned negative last year), due to the plunge in sterling after the referendum. The weaker pound drove up inflation, meaning salaries and pensions didn’t go as far in the shops.

As Carney puts it:

“There are Brexit effects that come through”

But, the governor did also cite Britain’s ongoing productivity problems - partly due to weak investment, but also due to a series of wider issues that can’t be pinned on the Brexit vote.

In conclusion, Carney warned:

“In the short term, over the last year and a half, there has been an impact relative to what we would have expected, even with some pretty good tailwinds on the back of this economy.”"


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