BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:30 PM

I wonder if this could be called an extreme view ..........

Extreme?

Despicable certainly, can anyone defend this?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:04 PM

DtG
der Groschen ist gefallen

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:56 PM

Fur Bwm
Pog Mo Thoin

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:50 PM

ach so
Meine Fluggeschwindigkeitsanzeige ist aus dem Fenster

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:45 PM

Bitte? entschuldige mich
ich habe diesen Tag in der Schule verpasst

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:45 PM

Mein Luftkissenfahrzeug ist voller Aale

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:35 PM

My nipples are exploding with delight.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:35 PM

Der Mond ist aufgegangen,
Die goldnen Sternlein prangen.
Am Himmel hell und klar;
Der Wald steht schwarz und schweiget,
Und aus den Wiesen steiget.
Der weiße Nebel wunderbar.

Nach Brexit , wahr oder nicht wahr

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:33 PM

Leck mich am arsch.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:15 PM

Vorsprung durch Technik

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:02 PM

Nicht Raufen ? mit aus feur??

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:10 PM

Nicht durch die Reifen springen

DtG

(Thought I may try a different different language)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:04 PM

Hoops David, Hoops

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:40 PM

So, Keith, am I to assume you disagree with Nigel and I that Boris' statement "is not a promise to give any prioritisation at all to the NHS."?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:32 PM

I don't believe anyone who reads or listens to any media can honestly believe the conservative to have any morality or honesty. They'd sell their own grandmother.

That is an extreme view. I know lots of people who do believe in Conservative morality and honesty.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:20 PM

Dave,
it can be summed up by one simple phrase. Weasel words.

No it can't Dave, or will you explain why it can?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:20 PM

I don't believe anyone who reads or listens to any media can honestly believe the conservative to have any morality or honesty. They'd sell their own grandmother.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 01:59 PM

I believe the Labour party still has the official position of supporting brexit. Was this because they feared a wipeout at the polls.
Is this real politic or weasel words or that Labour simply cannot be trusted to be honest with their electorate?
It does not inspire confidence when even their diehard supporters in this forum freely admit they had to take the stated line because their very survival as a viable party depended on it.
I think the morality of an alley cat is many magnitudes higher that that of the Labour party.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 01:22 PM

it can be summed up by one simple phrase. Weasel words.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 01:09 PM

I'll not challenge the 'designed' - ambiguity can be a matter of habit for a politician.

Let's look at another word in it: 'should'. This covers a wide spectrum from the 'meh' - it should, but I'm not that fussed and if it doesn't happen I'll shrug - through to the 'really should': Johnson is promising to use 'heart and nerve and sinew/To serve their turn long after they are gone' to ensure it happens if at all possible.

Where do you judge that statement to be? It seems very 'meh' from past experience.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 12:48 PM

More on the mis-information from Johnson.

Link

Although the lead paragraph refers to the labour partys complaint it goes on to reference conservative misgivings.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 12:31 PM

I agree that it is likely to be misunderstood by the incautious. But that does not mean that it is 'designed' to be so.
Some people's writing & speaking practices do not lead themselves to simple comprehension.
There are even some on here who will take that route, and when queried try to pass it off as irony, or whimsy. If the comments are allowed to stand, unchallenged, no one will ever be sure whether the poster really meant what they posted, or was being either ironic or whimsical.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 12:07 PM

I said it because I recognise it to be so. However, I thought it helpful if you also agree it is a sentence designed to mislead the incautious. As you seem to. If so, I hope you take every opportunity to make that clear to anyone who you suspect is making the false assumption.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:55 AM

We don't need to, you've just said it yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:52 AM

"As and when the cash becomes available – and it won’t until we leave – the NHS should be at the very top of the list,” said Johnson.

I sure Nigel and Keith will be at the forefront of those pointing out that is not a promise to give any prioritisation at all to the NHS.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:28 AM

Its the "live" page on the guardian website, perhaps that's why it hasn't linked.

It is referring to Johnson latest claims about the money we pay to the EU.

It is also yet another glorious example of the in-fighting within the conservative party.

I will say one thing in favour of Ruth Davidson though, at least she has a sense of humour.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:20 AM

If that's what you were referring to, Raggytash, my apologies. That page won't load for me.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:14 AM

and now Boris compounds the bus lie by claiming that the £350 million per week claim should have been even more than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 10:54 AM

An interesting but brief snippet of an interview with Ruth Davidson, the Conservative Leader in Scotland and member of the Scottish Parliament. There looks to be a fuller interview on Border ITV tonight.
Clip

The clip is partway down the page.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 09:52 AM

Listening to Parliamenr debate on the Withdrawal Bill. Mike Gapes is talking about the problems of Anguilla which is a British Oversea Territory. While he is not a great speaker, the problems he is raising are highly significant. For example 36% of its national income is from the EU and there is no commitment to provide that from the UK. There is no airport, because it has relied one on Saint Martin (French & Dutch)


I think it fair to say that very few of us who voted Leave or Remain gave such places a passing thought. Gibraltar or the Falklands, perhaps, but not other places.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 08:55 AM

"Be even more broke if they vote for independence."
Just the plavvce to go for relianble information Iains - the mouthpiece of teh Tory Party
It's highly doubtful if Britain will be able to pay out that sort of money the way business is going
The Carillon crash, leaving behind a billion or so's worth of debts which will effect 30,000 firms, leaving many of them facing bankruptcy
Given the present non existence of British industry and the business predictions that it will take over a decade for the economy to steady after Brexit, waving promises such as those made to Scotland is nonsense
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 08:41 AM

Be even more broke if they vote for independence.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/12200495/IFS-Scotland-to-get-billions-of-English-income-tax.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:54 AM

SCOTLAND the BROKE according to an impact survey
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:29 AM

I should add there is a perfectly valid reason why Allen used the word 'guarantee' there and it is connected with whether the EU would have accepted Scotland as a member if they had voted for independence. That could not be 'guaranteed', which is why it was perfectly reasonable for Allen to say it the way he did.

Yes, if his understanding of what he said is the same as your reading of it.
But if that was his intended meaning then it makes no sense of the immediately following query "How does that equate with what has happened since?".
That query seems to suggest that he understood it as a guarantee that Scotland would remain in the EU no matter what UK subsequently did.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:08 AM

I should add there is a perfectly valid reason why Allen used the word 'guarantee' there and it is connected with whether the EU would have accepted Scotland as a member if they had voted for independence. That could not be 'guaranteed', which is why it was perfectly reasonable for Allen to say it the way he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:02 AM


(Allan)They did vote to stay in the union with at least part of the argument which was put to them being that staying in the UK was the only way they could guarantee they retain membership of the EU. How does that equate with what has happened since?

I don't recall it as a promise that staying in the UK would guarantee continued membership of the EU


Ok, so maybe Allen should have written "...was put to them being that staying in the UK was the only way they could retain membership of the EU". Arguing about whether there was a guarantee or not misses the salient point that membership of the EU was raised many times and was a factor in persuading some people to vote the way they did.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 03:36 AM

From: Allan Conn
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 02:23 PM

(Nigel)"Before the referendum the Scots held a referendum on whether they wished to be a separate state, or part of the union. As a result they are included in the UK for what happens now with Brexit."

(Allan)They did vote to stay in the union with at least part of the argument which was put to them being that staying in the UK was the only way they could guarantee they retain membership of the EU. How does that equate with what has happened since?

I don't recall it as a promise that staying in the UK would guarantee continued membership of the EU. As I recall it was more a case of "If independence goes ahead Scotland will not be a member of the EU even if UK remains a member." In other words, an independent Scotland would automatically have lost its membership rights (as it had none in its own name).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:05 AM

The 'good news' continues:

"Member states have ruled out allowing British carriers the freedom to fly passengers and luggage between destinations on the continent post-Brexit, with UK carriers to be permitted only four of the nine “freedoms” to operate they currently enjoy" (guardian, today)

I am sure we will be told that is mere posturing.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 01:49 AM

Oops..
Togethwr with the paper makes Scotland's case ckearly and rationally. How it will fare against Westminster dogma is another matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 01:46 AM

Thanks, Allen. A well wrutten summary of the situation which, tigether with

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 07:25 PM

Whereas your postings are oft-times so convoluted that you must surely be a corkscrew.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 06:05 PM

Inanes, only one "bent" is you, my friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:58 PM

Dave. You may be correct. But are they bent to the left or right?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:50 PM

There must be some fine lawyers on here then Iains.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:22 PM

The more confusion sown over human right in the UK, the better the legal profession like it, More fuss, more fees.

How many MP's have had prior careers in the legal profession?
According to a freedom of information request it is a secret!

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mps_that_are_barristers_or_solic

YOU GOV. states: Jul 24, 2014 - British people want fewer lawyers and more doctors, scientists and factory workers in Parliament

"MPs With Legal Backgrounds Increases 21/05/2015. Earlier this week, we revealed the Cabinet ministers who had a legal background. Now, thanks to research by BPP University, it has also been revealed that the number of MPs with a legal background has increased by 40%. Wow! 119 of 650 MPs (18.3%) have ..." (full article linked below)

https://www.allaboutlaw.co.uk/law-news/mps-with-legal-backgrounds-increases

"And God said: "Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."

"LAWYER: A professional advocate hired to bend the law on behalf of a paying client; for this reason considered the most suitable background for entry into politics."

"There's no better way of exercising the imagination than the study of law. No poet ever interpreted nature as freely as a lawyer interprets the truth."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 03:58 PM

Thank you, Kenny B.

Is this is the 30 minute argument?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 03:36 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 02:54 PM

I'm sure the moderators would intervene if there was any cause for concern in the subject matter. Maybe they should with anyone pejuratively referring to 'you people' strutting arrogantly. After all, the only rule is along the the lines of 'be nice' and there is not much nicer than the pursuits we all enjoy:-)

DtG
DTG - says it all, conjures in my mind a Monty Python script

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 03:34 PM

No-one has come with any yet, Raggy.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 03:28 PM

Once again it would seem the present Government is set on shafting the public.


Human Rights

Is there any good news from this debacle.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 02:54 PM

I'm sure the moderators would intervene if there was any cause for concern in the subject matter. Maybe they should with anyone pejuratively referring to 'you people' strutting arrogantly. After all, the only rule is along the the lines of 'be nice' and there is not much nicer than the pursuits we all enjoy:-)

DtG