BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Teribus
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 11:13 AM

" the figure are given as examples and are not meant to signify the actual figures ........... we don't really want to go done that line again .... do we"

Why Raggy? I suppose .......we don't really want to go done that line again - because you do not want to show up for the complete and utter arse that you undoubtedly are - AGAIN.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 11:19 AM

Forgotten your "problem poster" pills again have we?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 12:21 PM

Forgotten your "arse" pill again?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 02:19 PM

"The economists regard the figures as good."

Ah, but are you sure they're all living economists from the last thirty years who have books on sale in reputable bookshops?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 06:25 PM

That's EMINENT living economists, Steve. Jeez, you ought to have the requirements down by NOW!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 06:36 PM

You are not wrong Greg, you are not wrong! Damn!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 05:18 AM

Raggytash."In the days after the referendum the Irish Finance Minister was rubbing his hand in glee at the number of approaches he had received from major finance organisations looking to relocate some of their operations to Dublin"

But the EU is trying to harmonise taxation throughout the EU starting with internet giants. Independant taxation underpins the nation state.
I can see where this is going!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/european-digital-tax-as-big-a-threat-as-brexit-ministers-fear-1.3271722
I don't think the laddie above will be smirking if anything in the link comes to fruition.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 05:57 AM

Iains, the companies making overtures to the Irish Finance Minister were banking and insurances giants, not the tech companies.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 06:07 AM

I did say:" the EU is trying to harmonise taxation throughout the EU starting with internet giants."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 01:19 PM

UBS bank is saying it will stay in London after Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 04:42 PM

All the banks will stay in London, it's a major financial centre and will remain so.

Whether ALL their operations will remain there is open to conjecture, and if they have made overtures to finance ministers in other countries there is a significant doubt if that will be the case.

Time alone will tell.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 29 Oct 17 - 02:46 AM

"Time will tell" is indeed the best response. I welcome the UBS news as much as anyone but it is not as clear as you might think. Here is a clipping from the telegraph report which said the move of 1000 staff was looking less likely:

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While UBS has softened its stance on the number of jobs that are likely to move, it is still hashing out plans to protect itself.?Mr?Ermotti looked to soothe concerns for London staff on Friday by saying that it was his?"target"?to "keep as many people as we can in London".?

UBS is one of the last big banks to decide on where it might relocate people post-Brexit, with London staff last week asked to rank whether they would prefer?to relocate to Amsterdam, Madrid or Frankfurt, sources told Reuters. ?
======

So a welcome change in the likelihood of these 1000 staying, but still up for grabs in the end.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 05:15 PM

Coo ! What a surprise.

Ukip Councillors move to the Tories

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 04:04 AM

Some say good old Brexit.

Finance Industry

I wonder what will happen and when.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 04:40 AM

Time will change Brexit in the fullness of time with deliberate glacial speed and a permanency that makes Trump fascism look like a flash in the pan. You guys are all in for the duration of your lives but in the US the Nazi hormones will fade rapidly with time. Jail time.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 04:52 AM

Hmmm, Carole Cadwalladr's twitter feed is interesting this morning..

George Papadopoulos was in London six days ago, and posted a picture on twitter of himself outside Harrods, the only wording on the tweet being the hashtag #business; a message to someone, and of course we now know this was an FBI sanctioned trip and so the tweet was sanctioned.

So where was he off to? Well, Assange is holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy which is about 3 minutes walk from where the photo was taken. It's an open secret that Assange got the Clinton mails from the Russians and the lad is up to his neck in that affair. On the same day the Russian ambassador tweeted about 'fake news' regarding Russian involvement in Brexit; a subject one Nigel Farage has shown his arse over when questioned about and as we know, Jules and Nige are buddies who have met before... the referendum. Remember, Farage is a 'person of interest' in the FBI investigations into Trump, possibly because of his role as a errand boy between Trump and Assange, a result of a meeting brokered by the execrable Roger Stone.

On the same day as Papadopoulos' and the Russian ambassadors were tweeting, so was Assange, this time saying a year previously Wikileaks had rejected an approach by Cambridge Analytica (if you don't know who they are, Google away). Cadwalladr discusses these links here" Trump, Assange, Bannon, Farage? bound together in an unholy alliance

The article raises an interesting question: How has Farage got away with his and UKIP's links to Russia going virtually uncommented on? Something is happening here, and it's not easy to penetrate this nexus of power that appears to be influencing the democratic process in the UK and the US.

One thing's for sure; Farage and Trump are part of either an existing part of the establishment that has created a new power base in the west or it's essentially a new establishment, run from the east. Whatever it turns out to be, these treasonous capitalist rich white men are no friends of the ordinary working people, and they represent an enormous threat to our democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 05:13 AM

I used to look up to Assange but essentially being a prisoner of the US has broken him. Assange vengefully played his political cards partly for freedom. He played poorly
He was blinded by the credo that transparency cures all.      
Unfortunately Assange was not omniscient.

Stu your post was amazingly significant.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 07:06 AM

Stu you are looking at a fascist based oligarchic conspiracy to take over the world that practically mirrors a James Bond plot.

We have Popadopolous news 24/7 here but nothing about him being in London, possibly incriminating his partners in collusion. All with FBI support.

For a while I have seen a naivet? of your fellow citizens to accept a Russian interference in your own country.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 07:17 AM

Gentlemen could I ask you confine your comments to the Trump page.

Ta :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 07:40 AM

edit naivet? not naivet?

Raggytash you too do not see or believe Russian interference in your own country? The comparisons made are valid and eye opening that are part of a gestalt you did not see, or wish not to see.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 07:55 AM

Donuel, the Brexit subject is wide enough in it's own right to warrant a discussion by itself.

What Farage et al may have been doing with the Russians also is a wide enough subject to merit a discussion, in it's own right.

I think including the subject here will only "muddy the waters"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 08:00 AM

ah I type correctly but html does not translate naive with accent marks

The movie 'Sum of all Fears' portrays a conspiracy of European men led by a German. Make that German a Russian and you may begin to see what we were talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 08:15 AM

It was not me talking. It was the Telegraph and the Independent, but they are not known for their ignorance of economic issues or for talking rubbish about anything.


Best bit of cherry picking I have seen in a long time. It would not take much effort to go back through the thread and spot where I linked articles in the Financial times, The Economist and the Guardian that said most economists were against Brexit. This viewpoint was rubbished by the poster of the above comment as being the prejudice of the media.

C'est la vie.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 09:54 AM

"Gentlemen could I ask you confine your comments to the Trump page."

I'm not sure you're understanding why I posted what I did. It's looking likely that Trump and Brexit are linked by more than just a disgruntled part of the electorate. The strings are being pulled elsewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 10:20 AM

You are right.
The waters are muddied indeed.
No biggie but I have noticed that apart from questions there seems to be a closely guarded jealousy of the Brexit topic quite naturally by the citizens involved.
I repeat that the reported observations that Stu has alluded to are extremely significant. In the States it would be Breaking News.
I don't know why it isn't, unless I assume too much and I'm wrong.
I don't feel wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 10:32 AM

Quite correct Raggytash, if anyone posts to the "Trump" thread without insulting the President their posts are immediately deleted.
Why should they be allowed to bring their bullshit on to this one?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 11:03 AM

Akenaton, pack it in please.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 01:57 PM

if anyone posts to the "Trump" thread without insulting the President

Wrong end 'round, as usual, Ake. President Id-Baby IS the insult.

Plus what Raggy said.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:06 AM

Looking GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5037591/World-Bank-Britain-better-Germany-France-business.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:19 AM

Looking SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/01/brexit-vote-cost-niesr-economic

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:34 AM

From: Iains - PM
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:06 AM
Looking GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5037591/World-Bank-Britain-better-Germany-France-business.html

Great opening headings from the Daily Mail there:

World Bank say Britain is better than Germany AND France for businesses: UK ranks seventh in list by global watchdog
-The UK was ranked seventh in the World Bank's 'Doing Business' report
-The only other nations above the UK were South Korea, Hong Kong and the US
-German and French politicians sought to tempt businesses to relocate from UK

So, UK ranked 7th with only South Korea, Hong Kong, and US above them.
Some lack of basic ability to count there!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:35 AM

I think I have more faith in the musings of the world bank than the
warblings of a comic strip writer in the gruniard. But if comedy floats your boat...........

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:44 AM

Even better quote from the Guardian:
Brexit vote has cost each household more than (pounds)600 a year, says NIESR
Further down:
The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said it is 'almost certain' the leave vote has damaged living standards and hit the growth potential of the economy. The thinktank also scaled back its expectations for growth in the UK for the next three years.

So the NIES are almost certain that the leave vote has damaged living standards, but they are able to quantify this (possible) effect by giving it a specific value.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:44 AM

Dave,
This viewpoint was rubbished by the poster of the above comment as being the prejudice of the media.

Not true dave. I merely pointed out that FT has always been strongly pro-remain editorially, which is a fact.

My above comment was just about the recent growth figures which were universally reported as good, except by our own Raggytash.
No "cherry picking" from me on that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 05:37 AM

"But if comedy floats your boat..........."

I'm assuming this is irony, given you posted a link from that execrable rag The Daily Mail.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 06:15 AM

No, the figures were reported as better than expected, but when you expect SFA that's not too difficult to achieve.

You could correctly say we did better than Brazil ....... they were the ONLY country below us in the table.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 06:59 AM

No, the figures were reported as better than expected, but when you expect SFA that's not too difficult to achieve.

No, they caused a rise in sterling, so they must have been considered good by the economists and international currency investors who are responsible for such things.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:01 AM

Yes they caused a rise in Sterling.

Half of one cent, not even half of one percent, half of one cent.

That is also next to SFA.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:06 AM

Still good Rag. You were wrong to claim otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:23 AM

Still good eh

(what planet does this man live on?)

The pound is currently trading SEVENTEEN cents lower than it was before the Referedum vote.

So if you consider half a cent rise to be "good", what do you make of a seventeen cent fall.

Is that "good" too?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:46 AM

Cor, just spent a hundred quid to load on to me Caxton card. Got nearly ?112. Good, eh? I need it so that I can be a tourist in Europe next year. Luckily I still have a stash of euros left from when I bought a load in the mid-120s. Not long before that referendum I was getting them in the mid-130s. I suppose it means everyone'll be coming to Bude for their hols. Bloody tourists. Just remember before you come, suntans are not provided, and terrible planning decisions since 2010 have screwed our infrastructure...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:47 AM

I see from my post that there's a question mark over the euro...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:51 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 07:23 AM
Still good eh
(what planet does this man live on?)
The pound is currently trading SEVENTEEN cents lower than it was before the Referendum vote.
So if you consider half a cent rise to be "good", what do you make of a seventeen cent fall.
Is that "good" too?
The pound is 17 cents below the price it was listed at the day before the referendum. Single day rates tell us little. It would be equally true to say that the pound had recovered by 10 cents since 31st August. But that day was a relatively low rate, just as the day before the referendum was (for 2016) a relatively high rate.

General trends will give you a better overview, as will looking at how the markets respond to those trends.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 10:21 AM

so then Nigel, what is the overlying trend in the 16 months since the Referendum say compared to the 16 months before the referendum.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 10:28 AM

So if you consider half a cent rise to be "good", what do you make of a seventeen cent fall.

I only said that the growth figures were good, and that they triggered a rise in sterling.
I passed to comment on that rise, but it was a significant rise according to both the Telegraph and the Independent, and none of you were able to find anyone saying it was not.
Those two normally staid and reserved publications both described the pound as having "soared."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 10:37 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 10:21 AM
so then Nigel, what is the overlying trend in the 16 months since the Referendum say compared to the 16 months before the referendum.

Continuing to fall (overall) to make the pound show a better view of its true value.
The fall started well before the vote, even though all the pundits thought we would stay in the EU.
A re-balancing was overdue.
25/2/15 (6 months before vote) 1.3665
23/6/16 (day of vote) 1.305
31/10/17 (yesterday) 1.141

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 10:38 AM

I really don't need anyone to tell me that a half a cent rise in the value of the pound, which equates to less than one half of one percent, does not mean the pound has "soared"

A child of five could tell me that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 11:45 AM

It's a pity you did not go back the 16 months as suggested and your figures don't show a trend but a given value on a given day.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 11:48 AM

A child of five could tell me that.

Perhaps, but you have failed to find anyone with actual economic knowledge who would.
I found two reputable publications known for their economic reporting.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 11:48 AM

900 Richard!