BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 05:56 AM

From the Guardian article:

"In the week after Chancellor Philip Hammond’s budget outlined the biggest growth downgrade for the UK since the Conservatives came to power in 2010"

"Households continue to feel the squeeze from inflation, prompted by the weak pound since the Brexit vote"

"The OECD confirmed the downbeat long-term outlook on Tuesday as its latest assessment of the global economy put the UK at the bottom of the G7 growth table for next year - and only just keeping ahead of Japan as the worst performer in 2019"

“It is hard to avoid the conclusion that the Brexit process – which has added to investment uncertainty and squeezed consumers – is the main reason why the British economy is underperforming so badly at the moment,” he said"

"despite research showing that households are now each £600 a year worse off after the referendum"

"But there are worrying signals for the road ahead. Hammond revealed at the budget a painful downgrade in economic growth of around half a percentage point annually in the coming years"

“There is no reason at all, in my view, to believe any take-off in productivity will happen any time soon,” said Blanchflower, adding: “The economy could grow much more slowly than even the OBR’s horrid forecasts. I am still waiting for any good news from Brexit.”

Yeah, really cheery stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 08:12 AM

"Official figures appear to show England becoming a happier place in the year since the Brexit vote"

You wouldn't know it from our resident bellyachers.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 08:40 AM

DMcG,
As usual, thwre comes a point where I think I have said enough on a subject and we have reached that on this report.
The only point I wanted to make was in my first post on all this.

"DMcG, we are lumbered with a low wage economy, but we have been for years.
You can not blame Brexit for every British shortcoming.
A major factor influencing low wages is uncontrolled immigration which Brexit is intended to address. "

Nothing you or BWM subsequently said detracts from my original point.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 08:51 AM

I cannot recall anyone detracting anything from any point unless we count the dismissal of all the other factors that have contributed to the wage crisis. DMcG, BWM and I have all commented that many factors, including the introduction of a pool of low cost labour, have played their part . No one has attempted to deny anything and there has only been one person who seems to have failed to understand the complexity of the issue by stating that they do not know anything about it apart from what the bank of England says in a single report.

I agree with DMcG and have already pointed out that an exchange of diverse economic views is a pointless exercise. There is little more, if anything, to be said on that topic.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 09:03 AM

Thanks Dave.
I have nothing more to say except to reiterate that a major factor influencing low wages is uncontrolled immigration which Brexit is intended to address.
That is all I ever wanted to say about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 09:10 AM

I do believe we are all agreed then. The pool of low cost labour contributed to the wage crisis.

Now maybe people who do actually understand economics can discuss how it was unscrupulous employers who used this pool of labour to drive down costs, how the redistribution of profits to the highest earners has reduced the pay pot, how the brexit vote has led to even the better employers being reluctant to invest in the UK and the myriad of other factors that have contributed to this looming disaster for our children.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 09:47 AM

There has never been uncontrolled immigration - it was never more than a racist invention - still being used by racists
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 10:29 AM

What control was there on immigration from EU Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 10:38 AM

"the brexit vote has led to even the better employers being reluctant to invest in the UK"
As stevie blunder would say: Can you offer any proof.
With a level playing field companies invest where they get the most bang for the buck. How many factories exploited government grants to set up and as soon as it became advantageous they scuttled away to SE Asia or Eastern Europe where greater profits could be generated. Kimberley Clark and Dyson to name but two.
    The starting statement creates a nice soundbite but is purely conjecture, to be pounced on by remoaners.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 10:42 AM

Dave,
how it was unscrupulous employers who used this pool of labour to drive down costs,

Does it make you unscrupulous to pay more than you need to?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 10:57 AM

There are plenty of employers who fully understand that the way to attract dedicated employees and generate economic growth is by paying more to their workforce. We can only hope that this trend will continue as the myth of trickle down growth is dispelled. But, as I said earlier, there is little point in trying to discuss this with anyone who admits that they know nothing about economics.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 11:14 AM

"Does it make you unscrupulous to pay more than you need to?"
Great argument for slavery Keith
Without control of wages from both sides, that's what working is
IMMIGRATION CONTROLS
Brexit stands to introduce 'EMIGRATION' controls so those needing to work elsewhere are no longer able to, all done to ascertain the inflow of all these 'Foreign Johnnies'
Time that you Little Englanders got your head around that one
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 11:18 AM

Does it make you unscrupulous to pay more than you need to?

At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge," said the gentleman, taking up a pen, "it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and Destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."

"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.

"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"

"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."

"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 11:34 AM

From your Guardian link:
"We lost control over our borders almost two decades ago. In 1998, Tony Blair removed exit checks. Nobody checks your passport once you have gone through security at an airport, as they do in virtually every other country in the world"
Arrant nonsense off the guardian.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uk-passport-exit-checks-everything-5476792
The link is several years old. Things have tightened up further since then.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 11:56 AM

"The link is several years old. Things have tightened up further since then."
My link is is dated 2017 - you's in 2two years earlier, pre the Brexit decision
what's on earth are you talking about?
As I said - the only thing that stands to be controlled is emigration for job-seekers needing work
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 12:27 PM

People who get quotes for a job seldom choose the most expensive.
Is that unscrupulous?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 01:02 PM

Your latest quote from the guardian says exit checks do not occur. The fact is that they do, have done for many years, and are becoming progressively tighter. Very difficult for me to state it more clearly.
Now what part of this can you not understand? Your staunch left wing rag is wrong(again)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 01:20 PM

"Your latest quote from the guardian says exit checks do not occur"
My point has been about entrance checks and controlling immigration, not emigration
1.2 million people born in the UK live in other EU countries, according to 2015 estimates
According to the same survey, 30,000 of them are drawing dole.
That will cease with Brexit
Brexit was sold on the basis of closing Britain's borders to immigrants, not the other way around
You really have lost the plot
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 03:33 PM

"According to the same survey, 30,000 of them are drawing dole.
That will cease with Brexit"
As nothing has been agreed on brexit terms and conditions yet the above statement is merely a supposition. Unlike yourself I am fully aware of the difference between fact and supposition. As Britain did not join the schengen zone the right to check passports of all arrivals and departures was always retained. Free movement only ever occurred for EU nationals, but movement was always monitored. To an extent this duty of checking was thrown on the airlines as they picked up the repatriation tab for illegal aliens. Passenger manifests have been vetted and retained for many years. Even crossing the Irish Sea random checks occur and passports frequently checked.

In conclusion I would think it perfectly obvious that far more interest is taken on those aliens arriving than those leaving and all my most recent departures from heathrow I have been photographed as well as my passport checked. The latest intensification of passport controls took effect on the 7th October 2017

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 08:09 PM

From: DMcG
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 04:58 PM
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen [pounds] nineteen [shillings] and six [pence], result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

So let's not worry too much about the actual figure, Nigel. To the best of your understanding are people on median salaries the same, better off or worse off since the EU vote?

Probably worse off. I know that I am.
But I cannot say that it is attributable to the Brexit vote.
Civil service pay rises have now been capped to 1% for several years, as shown in The Guardian. this pre-dates the Brexit vote. (by a considerable margin)

So my position is more due to the Conservative Party's 'austerity' measures. Which, in turn, are due to the profligate spending of the last Labour government.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 17 - 08:39 PM

And for how long are you going to keep blaming Labour for that, Nigel? Another year or two? Decade or two? Century or two? Your lot have been at the helm for seven years, have broken every promise about getting the deficit down, etc., and about ending austerity (do I remember hearing something about 2015...?) You know as well as I do that the downturn from 2008 was completely beyond the control of the government of the time and that exactly the same fate would have befallen whichever government was in power. So cut the crap, Nigel. The last seven years of Tory rule have pitched this country into its worst state since WW2 (alternatively, blame Sir Nick bloody Clegg). We have the worst economy of the G7 and just about the lowest growth in the EU, and let's not even start to talk about productivity. Your Tory government is the biggest shambles for many a long decade and, mark my words, history will see it as such. Gosh, if we hang about for long enough you'll be blaming original sin on Labour as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 03:51 AM


Probably worse off. I know that I am.
But I cannot say that it is attributable to the Brexit vote.

That's playing the same game as Keith, Nigel. No-one is claiming it is *entirely* due to the Brexit vote. We are claiming the Brexit vote *is a contributory factor*.

And while neither I or anyone else as far as I know has done the formal analysis, it is possible to isolate the effects of Brexit by comparisons with other economies, so implying we can never know is untrue. The informal comparison with other economies such as our position in the G7 league is a good indicator of what we might expect such a formal analysis to show.

A formal analysis would certainly take days or weeks of effort, so I am not about to do so, but it is the sort of thing you might hope DexEU would have done. It joins all the other things you would have expected them to do which they haven't.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 04:53 AM

"Even crossing the Irish Sea random checks occur and passports frequently checked"

Really ! ? ! ?

1. As a frequent traveller to Ireland for more than 20 years I have seen two vehicles stopped and searched, they were both inward bound to the UK and searched in Holyhead by UK Border force.

2. UK Nationals do not need a passport to visit Ireland (I think the same is true of Irish Nationals visiting the UK).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 06:53 AM

"Even crossing the Irish Sea random checks occur and passports frequently checked."
Not ever in my well over half a centuries experience
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 06:54 AM

Apropos of nothing in particular, I was involved in installing the database of 'interesting' car registrations and people's photos at ferry ports in the UK back in the 1980s. It as the first UK government installation of photographic recognition. Binary field in an Informix database for any geeks who may be interested. It was installed because even during the troubles it was deemed too difficult to perform manual checks and with this system they could pull just those 'of interest'. Full of flaws of course but an interesting exercise that led the way for today's more sophisticated recognition systems.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 07:06 AM

From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 04:53 AM
"Even crossing the Irish Sea random checks occur and passports frequently checked"
Really ! ? ! ?
1. As a frequent traveller to Ireland for more than 20 years I have seen two vehicles stopped and searched, they were both inward bound to the UK and searched in Holyhead by UK Border force.
2. UK Nationals do not need a passport to visit Ireland (I think the same is true of Irish Nationals visiting the UK).

Just because you don't see the checks doesn't mean that they don't happen.
Q: When would be the best time to check vehicles for stowaways (using infra red) or for explosives/drugs (using sniffer dogs etc.)?
A: When the vehicles are unattended on the vehicle deck, and all (legitimate) travellers have been sent to the upper decks.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 09:01 AM

"Just because you don't see the checks doesn't mean that they don't happen."
I remember hitching to Bulgaria many years ago and being told by a nutty American student that the town we were stopping in was full of secret policeman
My companion said she hadn't seen any.
"Ah", said the Yank, "That's because they're all in plain clothes"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 09:11 AM

ANOTHER SUCCESS for BREXIT
"SHRED of COMFORT HERE MAYBE "
Should make the Damian Greens happy anyway
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 11:44 AM

As a frequent traveller to ireland by sea and air, I know that checks can and do occur.For travel by air valid photo ID is required but if not a UK or Irish national only a passport will suffice.
If travelling by car your registration is known and logged before you board, and checks do occur. I have been checked both sides and asked for ID. In fact at Fishguard my passport was taken away briefly and on its return I was asked if I minded being contacted at a later date.
(They had obviously looked at some of the visas I had from "dodgy" places one of which frequently hit the headlines at that time.
Once again the rats fire from the hip with no real knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 12:00 PM

"As a frequent traveller to ireland by sea and air, I know that checks can and do occur.For travel by air valid photo"
As a half-Irish resident I know they don't
For most of my life I have travelled back and forth to Ireland and at not time have I been asked to produce my passport - not even at the height of The Troubles.
Ryanair do occasionally demand identification of some sort, but this is more for expediency of boarding rather than security
But they are a maverick bunch of savages anyway
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 03:59 PM

Jim you are unfortunately full of shit. How unusual. Do you know what a passenger manifest is, and what it is used for?
"Irish Ferries recommend all passengers bring a passport with them. Irish and British citizens do not strictly require a passport to travel between the two countries - some form of identification is however required. Please note that all nationalities except Irish or British require passports."

"Ireland, along with the UK, is a member of the Common Travel Area. British nationals travelling from the UK don't need a passport to visit Ireland. However, Irish immigration officers will check the ID of all passengers arriving by air from the UK and may ask for proof of nationality, particularly if you were born outside the UK."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 08:43 PM

Iains, you have swapped from Airlines to Ferries in a very short space.

Ryan Air require a passport as ID, Aer Lingus, Flybe require a Photo ID.

Irish Ferries and Stena Line merely ask for the names of people travelling in the vehicle when you book the trip, that is PRIOR to your journey.

Never, when travelling by sea, have I been asked to verify the nationality of the people travelling in my vehicle, which has been up to 17 people on one occasion, and each year there have been at least 10 people.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:05 AM

"Jim you are unfortunately full of shit"
And you are a breathtakingly arrogant lout, typical of your politics
I live here in Ireland and have spent over half a century living in Britain
I no longer travel regularly both ways but have done so for most of my life
You not only expose yourself as an ignorant moron, but you contradict your own claim
"Irish Ferries recommend"
It is not a requirement, it may be a recommendation
The last time I used my passport was to Travel to Italy ten years ago
The last time I was stopped and asked for documents or had my car searched was in the late 1970s, at the height of the troubles; even then I needed no passport.
From the EU guide to travellers in Europe
"If you are an EU national , you do not need to show your national ID card or passport when you are travelling from one border-free Schengen EU country to another.
Even if you don't need a passport for border checks within the Schengen area , it is still always highly recommended to take a passport or ID card with you, so you can prove your identity if needed (if stopped by police, boarding a plane, etc.). Schengen EU countries have the possibility of adopting national rules obliging you to hold or carry papers and documents when you are present on their territory."
The "highly recommended" bit refers to the present unstable political situation and has nothing whatever to do with membership of the E.U.
Get a life, for Christ's sake, and this time, make sure it comes with some people-skills
People like you should have no existence outside the pages of 'Tom Brown's Schooldays' or 'Billy Bunter'
You are a caricature of your bullying breed - not even bright enough to invent your own insults but reliant on the creations of others.
Grow up, you nasty little right-wing yob
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:07 AM

Adonis on Brexit

Not that I anticipate that some here will admit to even a sliver of accuracy in it. That he has a very strong view which colours his way of looking at things does not mean it is all false and dismissable.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:40 AM

Raggytash.I have used both modes of transport frequently. From my own experience by air from Heathrow,I am fairly sure you do not get airside without going through both security and passport control. On arrival in Ireland my passport has been checked slightly more than it has not been, and when checked in recent years it has often been scanned. As I always carry a passport I have no knowledge of using alternative photo ID.
When travelling by ferry, as you state, you prebook. All names are known and manifested.In in most cases also generating a unique electronic signature, both from vehicle registration and bank card details. Checking can occur in great detail purely from the manifest, if required. Random checks can and do occur both on departure and arrival.
I have experienced them-despite jimmies disbelief, and if your given name is Ahmed or Muhammed, it is likely they will be flagged. For frequent travellers the ferry companies are well aware of your frequency of travel, likewise the security services if you attract their interest. Joe blogs a frequent traveller is of no interest whereas the first time foot passenger Mustapha, who has a huge rucksack, will likely be asked to step aside for a little chat.(very racist profiling, but that is the world we live in)
      I have no problem with checks, they make the world a safer place. In like fashion I have no issue with my bank cards being frozen if I use them thousands of miles from home without informing the bank first.A little inconvenience is a small price to pay.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 04:55 AM

A manifest taken beforehand can only check who a person claims to be, not who they are. And there is interesting research which found experienced passpprt officiers accepting 14% of false passport photographs.

Like so.many other topics, this is more complex than we outsiders appreciate.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 05:03 AM

You have the official vesrion Iains and you chose to ignore it
Case closed, I think
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 07:34 AM

Even allowing for Anthony Adonis' opposition to Brexit the article linked to is a pretty damning indictment of the Government.



Adonis Interview

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 07:41 AM

Anthony !?! Don't know where I got that from. I did of course mean Andrew Adonis.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 08:01 AM

Another interesting article this time from William Keegan.

Brave New World

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 09:52 AM

I loved this quote from the Keegan article, linked above.

Chris Giles, the economics editor of the Financial Times, has analysed the results of a series of independent studies. One of the main findings is that the referendum result has already cost the UK close to 1% of GDP, with consumer spending hit by the devaluation of the pound, and business investment by the lack of confidence caused by the prospect of Brexit and the government’s chaotic handling of the affair.

Curiously enough, the estimated hit to the economy already amounts to £350m a week, remarkably similar to the figure of so-called benefits to the NHS that were promised on the sides of the notorious Brexit bus.

Would those who seem to rely on single articles to support their case please note that the quote says specifically a number of studies had been analysed and a number of contributory factors are quoted. This is what is called unbiased.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 10:35 AM

"Like so.many other topics, this is more complex than we outsiders appreciate."
Very true. But some will still wish to argue! And sadly some will only believe what they want to believe. With the increased terrorist activity of recent years I would be surprised if we knew a fraction of what checks really occur. It certainly can go far beyond a uniform in a booth scanning passports, no matter what our resident self proclaimed experts may say.
   After all a half century of experience can mean repeating one year of experience 50 times.

"You have the official vesrion Iains and you chose to ignore it"
Twerp!!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 11:05 AM

From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 05:03 AM
You have the official vesrion Iains and you chose to ignore it
Case closed, I think

I take it that you're referring to your quote in your previous post:

From the EU guide to travellers in Europe
"If you are an EU national , you do not need to show your national ID card or passport when you are travelling from one border-free Schengen EU country to another.
Even if you don't need a passport for border checks within the Schengen area , it is still always highly recommended to take a passport or ID card with you, so you can prove your identity if needed (if stopped by police, boarding a plane, etc.). Schengen EU countries have the possibility of adopting national rules obliging you to hold or carry papers and documents when you are present on their territory."

The section in bold means that your quote has nothing to do with the discussion. Neither UK nor Ireland are part of the Schengen area.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 11:47 AM

"Neither UK nor Ireland are part of the Schengen area"
This discussion is about Brexit and what yoiu highlight is what Britain and Northern Ireland stand to lose
At present, there is no legal requirement to produce a passport when travelling between the two - or into the Republic, contrary to Iain's claim
jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 12:02 PM

Jim,
You were using the quote to back up your claim that passports are not currently required between UK & Ireland (North or South)and quoting a reference to the Schengen rules does nothing to support your case.
The current freedom to move between these areas is because there is a "Common travel area" covering UK, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland, Isle of man and the Channel Islands. This 'common travel area' is nothing to do with the EU.
UK & Ireland (both parts) are outside the Schengen area. The Channel Islands are even outside the EU.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 12:48 PM

My apologies Nigel - that discussion had become mixture of what Britain is likely to lose with Brexit in terms of free movement and Iain's claim that you needed a passport to travel between England and Ireland
As Iaian refused to take my word that I don't require a passport to travel between the two, I grabbed what I believed to be an official statement on the policy
My mistake.
Thank you for your clarification
Jim Caarroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 02:08 PM

jimmie i refer you to my posts:
From: Iains - PM
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 11:44 AM
and:
From: Iains - PM
Date: 30 Dec 17 - 03:59 PM
Read assimilate digest you obnoxious little shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 02:14 PM

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_abroad/freedom_of_movement_within_the_eu/common_travel_area_between_i

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 02:20 PM

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_abroad/freedom_of_movement_within_the_eu/common_travel_area_between_ireland_and_the_uk.html

The link above did not work. The above is the web address to give details of what is required for Irish and UK nationals to travel between the two areas

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Dec 17 - 02:53 PM

"Read assimilate digest you obnoxious little shit"
Well bred as ever I see - breeding will show
Jim Carroll