BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 04:55 AM

""Brutishness""
Should be "Britishness" - though I suppose they are the same thing in the long run
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 04:09 AM

"refers to the DUP members who you continually refer to in such terms?"
Bit slow on the uptake Nigel - THE PAPERS have been full of it since Mayfly gave them a Billion of British taxpayers money
"by being elected by their Northern Irish constituents."
And this matters why exactly?
When Irish independence was finally won (sort of), Britain carefully divided Ireland into two parts ascertaining that the bit that remained as part of the Union was dominated by sectarian Loyalists loyal to Britain, even excuding three Ulster counties that would have tipped the balance the other way
This led to getting on for a century's inequality and repression which finally turned to open warefare when peaceful Civil Rights marches demanding equality were brutally beaten into submission with the help of British/Irish police (an echo of what had happened in the American South a decade earlier)
The North has been dominated by a fiercely sectarian anti-Catholic (up to now) majority set up be and loyal to the British Government - this is about to end as the two populations have almost reached parity   
So the "closer to home" you are referring to is still part of Britain - the Unionists describe themselves as British and have brought the country to the point of collapse on several occasions, first by introducing the gun into twentieth century Irish politics big-time, then by terrorising the third minority whenever it questions the six counties "Brutishness" - Northern Ireland's problem stems from its desire to call itself "British" Probably the greatest positive thing to come from the fiasco that is Brexit is that it has almost certainly guaranteed a United Ireland
All immaterial anyway - it was Thereas May who decided to spend a billion of the British taxpayers money to help her out of the massive hole she dug for herself by calling an election and losing a majority - she used British taxes as her own personal rainy-day piggy-bank
That the DUP was elected is beside the point anyway - whoever is elected becomes responsible for what happens to the country - the electorate no longer have a say in or bear any responsible for what happens - that is the sham of Parliamentary democracy

"There is no treachery, plain and simple."
Lads, lads, lads!!!
This pair of twots have brought up this so-called treachery to divert attention from the fact that Brexit has now become a long-running farce, a running sore - next step paedophilia, misogyny and antisemitism (probaly wife and mother nbrating thrown in for good measure)
If they were seriously concerned about Britain's security and well-being they would be up-in-arms about Ukip's links with LePen's fascists or British politics being interfered with by Russian bloggers or Mayfly spending Britain's hard-earned taxes on personal peccadilloes
on't feed the ****** trolls
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:16 AM

From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:37 AM

"since you linked piece Jim, evidence has emerged in the records of Corbyn's meetings with the spy and him being given a code name for future use."
Bollocks -and you know it- you are now getting desperate
"No. It was "facilitated" by a democratic vote of the people with the blessing of the elected government and every democratic party in Parliament."
S it is the British people who are responsible for introducing French Fascist, Northern Irish sectarian fanatics with terrorist links and Russian bloggers into British politics

Do I take it that Northern Irish sectarian fanatics with terrorist links refers to the DUP members who you continually refer to in such terms?
If so, they were brought into 'British politics' (actually the politics of the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland) by being elected by their Northern Irish constituents. If there is any blame to be apportioned for their presence in 'British politics' I think you should look a little closer to home.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 01 Mar 18 - 03:02 AM

There is no treachery, plain and simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:16 PM

I'm very tempted to suggest that, as with antibiotics, you try to acquaint yourself with what a donkey jacket actually is. The article you link to, a reasonable precis of Foot's career, sheds no light whatsoever on your donkey jacket assertion. There's also nothing there about what you seem to regard as treachery. The thing is, we live in a democracy. As such, we have every right to challenge the government's stance. No-one on the remain side is holding a gun to anyone else's head. If we wish to campaign until the bitter end for a reversal of brexit, that's us exercising our democratic right. Only neurotic little-Englanders such as your good self see a threat in that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:09 PM

A picture tells a thousand words.
A nice piccie of offending donkey jacket. Never mind the quality, feel the width.

You halfwits take the bait every time

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/932797.stm

No comment on Labour's treachery I see. No Surprise there!

Could be a bit of an issue down the line, to renege on a democratic vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 05:50 PM

From the right-wing Daily Telegraph, not exactly Foot's ally:

Mr Foot, then Labour leader, laid his party’s wreath wearing a short dark coat, in contrast to the long black overcoats worn by other men in attendance...But according to Mr Foot's official biographer, Lord Morgan, the coat was not a donkey jacket – which would have leather shoulders – but "a short, blue-green overcoat" bought for Mr Foot by his wife, Jill at considerable expense.
During the Remembrance ceremony, the Queen Mother is said to have complimented Mr Foot on the garment, telling him that it was "a smart, sensible coat for a day like this."

So perhaps we can now put this lying piece of Iains-idiocy to bed once and for all.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 05:01 PM

No Iains I don't, as you say, clump round the house in my wellies, nor did I ever take slippers to work.

You guys are REALLY clutching at straws.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 04:35 PM

Tell me raggy. Do you clump around your house in wellies, or do you change into more sensible footwear. The man is a clown. Moving from one building to another that is in close proximity hardly qualifies as venturing out. Or perhaps for remoaners, it does.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 04:21 PM

Given to good deal of snow that has been about it would eminently sensible (to me at least) to wear sensible footwear when venturing out.

This is yet another attempt by sad people to divert the conversion away from more pressing matters to which they have no answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 04:03 PM

Traitors!


https://order-order.com/2018/02/28/labour-accused-colluding-barnier/


https://www.rt.com/uk/420064-rees-mogg-corbyn-barnier/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 03:51 PM

"Michael Foot didn't wear anything like a "donkey jacket." Second, you're perfectly welcome to keep on with the personal attacks on Jeremy Corbyn."

Sorry.Look at the photos. If it is not a donkey jacket it is identical in colour and style. Therefore it is a donkey jacket. It may have been expensive and not come from Arco, but it is still a donkey jacket. Not only that but a labour MP who was watching the proceedings on television said, “Look, he’s wearing a donkey jacket.” and if you look at the photos of corbyn at PM question time he is wearing boots. Does it really make any difference if it is reported in Private Eye or the FT.
I suppose in your pinky, huggy, huggy world, if not reported in the Guardian or BBC then it must be False News.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 02:56 PM

Spreading yourself a bit thin, aren't you, Keith? Tories gentle and friendly knee-brushers, Labour a bunch of spying, mass-raping bullies? Don't forget to drag in the rabid antisemitism, just before you tell us how you always voted Blair and are in reality a fair-minded, mainstream slightly right-of-centre sort of chap? Read me lips, Keith. The spy nonsense is dead in the water. Nothing to see here. A slanderous Tory has had to grovel and pay out. Knock it off, Keith. We know that you brexit chappies are utterly demoralised and totally lacking in good news, and will do anything to divert us away from the impending disaster that you leave brigade have visited on this country. But do us a favour and impose a period of shutuppitude on yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 02:32 PM

Jim,
spy fairy stories,

Spy factual stories. I posted nothing not researched and reported by BBC.

I ignored the story until Steve denied the facts of it, and since then have only responded to points put to me.

Damien Green appeared on this thread long before I brought it up

No. You were the first Jim. 04 Dec 17 - 01:41 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 02:17 PM

Two things. Michael Foot didn't wear anything like a "donkey jacket." Second, you're perfectly welcome to keep on with the personal attacks on Jeremy Corbyn. That's exactly how the Tories lost their majority. Amazing how Tories forget that we want to know how they're going to run the country, not see them neurotically attacking Jezza all the time. So bring it on!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 01:40 PM

Beg pardon - I think I mean John Major - the The Suits all look the same to me
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 01:39 PM

"Jim brought up Damian Green on this thread, and not because he is a remainer."#Damien Green appeared on this thread long before I brought it up
I raised it here because of your desperate attempts to use something that is now commonplace throughout our society as if it had anything to do with Brexit - sex in high places - SFA to do with Brexit
You and Iaians have also attempted to use spy fairy stories, which have nothing to do with Brexit either
Iains continues to use the sex bit, just as you will continue with your spying shite
If you gang want people to stick top he point, then do so yourselves
Incidentally
David Cameron has now called for a second referendum if the Tort circus can't get its act together
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 01:35 PM

I'm not sure which is funnier. Iains making a mess of quoting right wing bollocks monger Guido or Iains making a balls of pasting simple links.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 01:28 PM

Labour is now scraping the barrel for potential candidates!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/url-labour-party-sexual-abuse-dossier-mps-criminal-records-harassment-labourtoo-a8

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 01:22 PM

First Michael Foot wore a donkey jacket to the Cenotaph now corbyn the clown wears hiking boots to participate in PM's Question time.

Got no couth these labout louts.


https://order-order.com/2018/02/28/give-jezza-high-tariff-boot/#more-288180

What a scruff-bag, the way he dresses is now nothing less than a matter of national disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 01:21 PM

No need, Raggy. I have done it.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 12:56 PM

Jim,
Bollocks -and you know it- you are now getting desperate

It is a FACT as reported by the BBC whose own journalist studied the records first hand.
The bollocks are all yours Jim.

Steve,
why Keith has brought it up.

Jim brought up Damian Green on this thread, and not because he is a remainer.

Rag, will you be starting a thread for this topic as with others?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:56 AM

I'm with Jim. It may well be an important topic but there's absolutely no doubt why Keith has brought it up. Any attempt to discuss it here would be utterly futile.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:37 AM

"since you linked piece Jim, evidence has emerged in the records of Corbyn's meetings with the spy and him being given a code name for future use."
Bollocks -and you know it- you are now getting desperate
"No. It was "facilitated" by a democratic vote of the people with the blessing of the elected government and every democratic party in Parliament."
S it is the British people who are responsible for introducing French Fascist, Northern Irish sectarian fanatics with terrorist links and Russian bloggers into British politics
YVery patriotic of you Keith - you really wade in the sewers to defend this bunch of scum, don't you?
As for your pathetic "rape" allegations - the whole of Westminster is up to its arse in sexual harassment, pornography and pedophilia and has been for a long time
That two Labour members have been accused of such behaviour is hardly surprising since this type of behaviour has reached Prime Ministerial level
You broke your arse defending one of these pornographers until he humiliated you and confessed that he was lying
Even the church can no longer be trusted in these matters
You are a desperate joke
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:02 AM

Well it is certainly nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit so, yes, it should be in a separate thread rather than here.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 11:01 AM

Separate thread I would say. It is an important issue and one that seems to be endemic in politics as well as show business.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 10:55 AM

Do we need a separate thread to consider this, or a dedicated one as with Damian Green?

Huff. Post
"A new report has revealed Labour women have been raped, groped and harassed by men within their own party - with one MP alleged to have preyed on a drunken teenager.

LabourToo - a campaign inspired by the #MeToo movement against sexual harasssment - asked politicians, staff, activists and candidates from across the country to share their stories anonymously to create a detailed picture of the extend of the problem.

Their “shocking and distressing” findings, collated over a two-month period late last year, have now been collated and sent to the party’s London headquarters, where senior officials are under pressure to take action.

Labour MP and equality campaigner Stella Creasy said the women’s stories were “heartbreaking”."
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/labourtoo-harassment-report-reveals-rape-assault-and-male-mp-preying-on-drunk-teen_uk_5a956b5fe4b01f65f59a85bc

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 10:47 AM

Original post, plain for all to see

From: Iains - PM
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:16 AM
...
(Don't bother to deny it. It is patently obvious to a two year old *)

Alt truth a mere 2 hours later.

From: Iains - PM
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 08:14 AM

" It is patently obvious *"

Now why did I place the asterisk there

I don't think even Keef would be so blatant or even patent, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 10:34 AM

Jim,
Take your pick Keith - I have no doubt who you will choose

since you linked piece Jim, evidence has emerged in the records of Corbyn's meetings with the spy and him being given a code name for future use.

Any comment on Brexit being faciitated by terrorist-linked UVF Russia and LePen employee yet - no?

No. It was "facilitated" by a democratic vote of the people with the blessing of the elected government and every democratic party in Parliament.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 10:15 AM

Sorry, DMcG: I take that back. Mr Maruyama did go on to mention chlorinated chicken

No problem.

So do you want to try to come up with a way that fits together: - the high standards which Davis promised - the general belief that animal welfare is part of those standards - and Mr Maruyama's warning the US will not make a deal if we have the EU food standards or higher.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:35 AM

A dose of seeing that the ground is coming up fast to hit us, rather than opportunism. I wish he'd gone further. And I wish the bloody Tories would start to see what's best for this country's interests instead of watching their own arses. Some of them already are. Arguments against the customs union are utterly threadbare. There will be no magic deals with China, India and the US. We don't make much (cheers, Maggie), we can't compete in terms of scale or wages costs and they don't really need our stuff anywhere near as much as we seem to think.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:33 AM

It's quite astonishing, Steve. Donald Trump has a lot to answer by making alt truth acceptable.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:27 AM

It's a bit like when he said that the offending sentence was quoted by him, yet he put it outside the speech marks containing the rest of the quote. It is not English like wot she is spoke, is it, Dave? He's becoming a bit Keithistic in my view, only with a lot more rude stuff thrown in.

In the meantime our beloved PM is cluelessly rowing with the EU again over the Irish border. It's becoming clear that only a customs union can resolve that issue. The DUP are sharpening their teeth at the very thought of a customs border down the middle of the Irish Sea, the only non-fudge solution possible, if the Republic and the Six Counties end up with a soft border without a UK customs union with the EU. It doesn't look to me like the EU are up for fudges. And we have the spectacle of the Institute of Directors and the CBI siding with Corbyn against her. Aren't things going well? She's even had to tell her own backbenchers to "just calm down!"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:24 AM

" the pound will tank "

What the hell do you think happened to the pound immediately after Brexit?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:22 AM

My brother is bigger than yours and he will get you at playtime.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:18 AM

Give it up Dave. You are getting as boring as shaw. You got caught out. accept it and shut up!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:11 AM

but you are obviously wriggling, having been caught out!

You are at it again, Iains. Blatantly getting it the wrong way round. I have not seen so much wriggling since, oh, when you were wriggling the other day. It is like watching kids in playground mimicking each other because they don't know how to argue. What with that and 'please Miss it wasn't me' what will you try next? My Dad's a policeman?

Now, any good news on brexit?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:07 AM

How do you get a wodge of black pudding inside a poached egg?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 09:05 AM

Nice try gnome. but you are obviously wriggling, having been caught out!
I see your little mate has black pudding on the brain. Is the cure antimicrobials or the more restricted antibiotics?

Now for more pressing concerns: Corbyn. opportunistic rather than principled.
According to interviews in the labour heartland his u turn will cost him votes. Betrayal is a word that springs to mind.
If corbyn ever becomes pm the pound will tank and we will all be emigrating.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 08:30 AM

You can buy a vegan Bury black pudding, I see. I mean, what the hell is THAT! I'm sticking to the Bury one, chaps, (a) because I'm a Radcliffe man, (b) because it's low fat and I have a penchant for frying things in butter.

One of the best tapas I ever had in Spain was at a tatty bar in the town square at Canjayar in Almeria province. The owner calls the snack huevos sorpresa (egg surprise). It's a poached egg in a bun. The "surprise" bit is a huge great big wodge of black pudding in the middle of it. I've been doing it at home ever since!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 08:28 AM

But you didn't place the asterisk there did you? It was placed after "obvious to a two year old" and was patently in the wrong place. You had also used brackets for reasons I can only assume are something to do with this different language you speak. Furthermore, an asterisk usually indicates that there is a matching one further down the page giving more details. Yours had no such match and made no sense. You did not deliberately include it at all. You made a mistake and now in your own inimitable style you are digging yourself further into the hole.

Don't bother to deny it. It is blatantly obvious to a two year old.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 08:14 AM

" It is patently obvious *"

Now why did I place the asterisk there. I am fully aware of tautology and deliberately placed it there for one of you idiots pick up on it just to prove my point about stalking. Well done!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 08:10 AM

Doubtful Dave, as a committed Vegetarian with clear Vegan leanings he would not endanger red blooded animals to the swords of Putin.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:43 AM

I am told Stornaway is good but I have never tried it. I suspect it is made to a secret recipe that Jeremy Corbyn tried to sell to the Russians.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 07:12 AM

As a Lancastrian I am loathed to say this but the BEST Black Pudding is made in Derbyshire.

NT Gibbs is a small village butchers in Tideswell but their black pudding is simply superb, the best I have ever tasted.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:37 AM

A bap? A BAP? What's up with a balm cake you southern Nancy?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:35 AM

if you spent less time stalking me

Errr, it looks remarkably like you have that the wrong way round. You seem to follow Steve and a few others around to jump on everything they say. This was pointed out a long time before and you are now up to your old trick of trying to turn the tables. It will not work.

Don't bother to deny it. It is patently(sic)* obvious to a two year old :-)

DtG

*Blatantly would suit your purpose better. Both words mean obviously, but the word patently does not necessarily convey a sense of disapproval. Blatantly is used when the trait or action described is seen as despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:34 AM

Time for Ewan MacColl's Moving On Song, I think. Go, Move, SHIFT, Iains!

I've discovered two things about the Bury black pudding, Dave. First, it's my favourite. Second, it's low-fat, far more so than most other black puddings. I tend to buy whole ones, skin 'em, slice 'em and fry in butter until ALMOST crisp. Very nice with almost anything, especially thrown into a bap with a poached egg...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:21 AM

I would think that as a basic premise it is reasonable to assume that if a poster places anything on here then he or she is responsible for the content.

Running away and saying it wasn't me Miss, it was some big boys is best left to small children.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 Feb 18 - 06:16 AM

Well shaw if you spent less time stalking me, the world would be a happier place. You are a very sad little man.
Let's face it.You only made it an issue because you thought I wrote it.
(Don't bother to deny it. It is patently obvious to a two year old *)
Wrong again!