BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 31 May 18 - 08:21 AM

get rid on anybody whose behaviour falls below a generally accepted standard

Lol, you'd be the first to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 18 - 07:53 AM

Hoop Alert!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 May 18 - 07:35 AM

"get rid of anybody" how Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 May 18 - 06:30 AM

It seems to me that the only way we are going to stop getting theads closed is to police ourselves and get rid on anybody whose behaviour falls below a generally accepted standard - this applies to all of us
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 May 18 - 06:02 AM

I agree with Keith (never thought I'd say that)
About time we blanked this serial abuser
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 May 18 - 05:59 AM

Do as you are told, chaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 May 18 - 04:57 AM

Time to blank him out of your lives, chaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 May 18 - 04:52 AM

"More made up jom shit?"

Another little giveaway there. New name, same old style.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 May 18 - 04:41 AM

"Don't you dare tell me iI have no right to comment - your racist attitude is beyond belief"

Please quote me chapter and verse - as shaw would say!
More made up jom shit. Keep frothing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QN7kmOhBMw

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 May 18 - 04:27 AM

Where I choose to live is none of your business and that fact that you try to make it yours is an indication of the Little Englander you are
I was born in England and my family still live there and are very much effected by the shambolic policies of the inhuman morons in charge
Don't you dare tell me iI have no right to comment - your racist attitude is beyond belief
the level of your insulting other members of this forum sinks lower every day
Hopefully you will be soon joining those who have been thrown off this section of the forum (rather than your managing to close down this thread, as you are obviously attempting now to do)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 31 May 18 - 03:27 AM

Jim every post where you mention the UK the content is derogatory. There is no justification for it. I have no idea why you exiled yourself to the west of ireland, but I cannot imagine your position on anything concerning the UK would gain you too many friends THERE. You are clearly anglophobic.
Get over it. You accuse me of being racist and a nazi with no justification at all, whereas your label of anglophobe is very apt.
If you dislike the label despite your voluminous posts confirming the accusation, please demonstrate how I can possibly be wrong! And Tommy Robinson now has over 538000 signatures on CHANGE.ORG. That is a lot of people that think your views are ridiculous.

Good to see the mudrats all bleating in unison. Have you though of performing as a choir at the TUC?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 18 - 07:19 PM

"Yet more unforgivable anglophobia from the safety of a bog in the west of Ireland."
Yet more childish racist bravado from someone with no answers
If you think criticising politicians and Government is any sort of "phobic" it is you who are denigrating the British people
Brexit was sold on the basis of xenophobia - the leading group was a xenophobic party that had now itself apart with its own extremism and its constant in-fighting
I don't blame the British People for that (where have I?) - I blame the sorry bunch at the helm
Your support for scum like Robinson and his parties and your gloating over the rise on neo-Nazism in Europe clears away any doubt as to where you stand - it's taken time to get here, but well worth waiting for
"...from the safety of a bog in the west of Ireland."
Somewhat pathetic, don't you think
Pity I'm not black or Jewish - might have given you something a bit more substantial to throw
THis forum is suffering from a nasty infestation of racism
"I suggest we all add him to the ignore list."
Already there
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 18 - 06:40 PM

Don't agree. He's inconsistent, moody, unpredictable, burns his bridges, arrogant, ignorant and insulting. There's something seriously wrong with him. Best sidelined.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 May 18 - 06:30 PM

Nar Steve, he's nowhere in the same league as the other one. He might be a pain but he's no where near as bad.

I've gone nearly six months ignoring the other one and the stupid **** still tries to goad me into replying.

(insert your four letter word of choice there, but it is one that has been used before, it ends UNT, it is essentially female, and it's not a female relative!!)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:50 PM

"...from the safety of a bog in the west of Ireland."

Says it all about this man. Disgraceful. I suggest we all add him to the ignore list.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:23 PM

Not being in the country at the moment does limit my accessto UK news somewhat.

I was merely asking a question, there is absolutely no reason for you to be so rude as you are in your reply.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:16 PM

"I thought Tommy Robinson was jailed at Leeds Crown Court yesterday Iains."

wakey wakey!you thought wrong. He actually was arrested tried and jailed on Friday not yesterday as the rest of the world knows. (Must be a world speed record for arrest trial and sentencing.) No prior planning by the PTB of course.
The rest of the world caught on to his arrest and jailing on Friday
and your point is? apart from delusion. Do tell!


Anyway more fodder for the remoaners and eunatics. The style of haircut for the summer season is apparently the cypriot one!


https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-most-vulnerable-to-italys-troubles-europes-banks-1527679396

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 May 18 - 03:57 PM

I thought Tommy Robinson was jailed at Leeds Crown Court yesterday Iains.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 May 18 - 03:08 PM

" we would have shipped him off to the nearest refugee center to await deportation, cheered on by Tommy Robinson and his scummy supporters
That's what your lot have made Britain"

Yet more unforgivable anglophobia from the safety of a bog in the west of Ireland.

Tommy Robinson now has over 500,000 signatures on the petition to free him. The D notice on his arrest was successfully rescinded. Our Orwellian leaders do not quite have it their own way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 18 - 02:37 PM

I watched with a lump in my throat last night wilea Mailain illegal immigrant shinned uo the side of a block of flats to savee a dangling child from certain death
He was immediately awarded honorary citizenship of France - we would have shipped him off to the nearest refugee center to await deportation, cheered on by Tommy Robinson and his scummy supporters
That's what your lot have made Britain
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 30 May 18 - 02:29 PM

Iains comment brought this Yes Minster scene to mind:

Sir Humphrey Appleby: Then we follow the four-stage strategy.
Bernard Woolley: What's that?
Sir Richard Wharton: Standard Foreign Office response in a time of crisis.
Sir Richard Wharton: In stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
Sir Richard Wharton: In stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we *can* do.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 18 - 02:22 PM

"How on earth could little me impose my will on an entire people. "
I'm talking about on this discussion - you don't have a lot of respect here but that's what you said
You re becoming megalaomanic - I am accusing you personally of nothing
The Western world has he;ped create the greatest refugee crisis this planet has ever seen - and it's growing
I never thought I'd live to see the day our elected leaders tuned refugees back into war zones
Not so long ago someone was boasting of how many Jews Britain saved
If they'd have behaved then as they are now the Holocaust would have doubled in number
They who are elected to act on our behalf shame us all
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 May 18 - 02:17 PM

"Yet another unintended consequence of Brexit has been discussed in the press today."

It is as yet merely a discussion. More sabre rattling from the Eunatics master class.

Unless the discussions take meat and come to pass, the resulting exhalations simply add to the CO2 burden of the poor planet we all share.
Perhaps their babblings should be rationed! Or perhaps they have been exalated and the ensuing musings are more correctly termed dribblings.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 30 May 18 - 01:28 PM

An interesting article from the Independent:

"The EU has just passed a law that could end the problems with free movement which led to Brexit in the first place.

Corporations will no longer be able to undercut local workers by exploiting migrants. Looking beyond Brexit, this law will make a big difference regardless of the option chosen for our future relationship with the EU"

I am not sure how such a law will work in practice - there is a massive financial incentive for businesses to find ways round it. But at the very least it is an acknowledgement that it is something many people have been concerned about.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 May 18 - 12:26 PM

Thank you Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 May 18 - 12:24 PM

Guardian Article noted above

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 May 18 - 12:16 PM

Yet another unintended consequence of Brexit has been discussed in the press today.

I am certain that when people voted to leave they were not aware of such.

After Brexit the UK may get poorer access (than even Israel) to EU science scheme.

Could some kind soul link to the article in todays Guardian.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 18 - 07:29 AM

Jim,
is displaying all the symptoms of a system that has had its day.

I agree. Another reason to get out.

The five Countries that are making waves for the EU are, in the main, those in the hands of the Extreme right-wing -

The Far Right is on the rise in every EU country but ours. Another good reason to get out.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 May 18 - 05:20 AM

"No it isn't, and your imposing your own view on the Italian people prove nothing"
That is a ridiculous statement. How on earth could little me impose my will on an entire people. Even Genghis Khan did not have an unobstructed run for his money!
The reality is that the pro EU President imposed a europhile quisling to head up a caretaker government and refused to acknowledge coalition's selected leader. That willcause grief shortly down the road.
Labelling people neonazis because they wish to retain their national identity is the hallmark of a fool.
The people guilty of creating the wave of displaced humanity live in fortress america with many miles of ocean insulating them from the fallout of their destabilising hegemony. It is more likely a deliberate ploy to destroy Europe and prevent it becoming any kind of economic threat. Now doubt history will confirm or deny the idea.

"We in rthe wealthy west have played a major part in promoting the wars that have created a refugee crisis - we need to take responsibility for doing so"
You speak for yourself laddie. I had zilch to do with it- I spent most of my time in these countries finding resources to boost their economies.
Easy for you to "we need to take responsibility", having run away to live in the middle of a bog. There you can snipe away to your hearts content, with no fear of an immigrant invasion. Go and live in Calais for a year and see if you wish to repeat your tired old nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:36 AM

"That is merely your totally distorted, naive political view."
No it isn't, and your imposing your own view on the Italian people prove nothing
The five Countries that are making waves for the EU are, in the main, those in the hands of the Extreme right-wing - in the case of Hungary, of neo-Nazis
The main objection of all of them has nothing to do with trade or the economy, but the question of accepting refugees and asylum seekers - GO LOOK IT UP
Gloating over that situation is both stupid and inhuman
We in rthe wealthy west have played a major part in promoting the wars that have created a refugee crisis - we need to take responsibility for doing so
Politocaicising over peoples lives is as low as it gets
The EU is an organisation of Capitalist states and as such, is displaying all the symptoms of a system that has had its day.
To allow the European extremist right to benefit from that situation is to return to the scapegoating 1930s
Not even it's best friends could describe Brexit as anything but a giant leap in the dark based on bigotry and intolerance
Your non-existent "good news" is a political farce nearly as entertaining as 'The Death of Stalin' - roll on the next Oscar awards
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:17 AM

Italy is not a good advert for EU.
The 3rd largest economy in the Eurozone, it has suffered negative growth for ten years, has appalling unemployment especially among young people, and crippling debt and borrowing.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 30 May 18 - 04:11 AM

"Interesting that your link indicates most of the problems Europe is having are down to the rapid rise of the ultra-right influence"

That is merely your totally distorted, naive political view.

The reality is Italy is fed up with the EU as are the saintly brexiteers.
As a result the pound has risen
"Italy now finds itself in political stalemate after president Sergio Mattarella vetoed the appointment of eurosceptic Paolo Savona, 81, as finance minister.

Carlo Cottarelli has now been appointed as the Interim Prime Minister, with another election in Italy being possible as early as September.

Notably, the Sentix ‘Italexit’ index – a probability measure of Italy leaving the currency bloc – has now climbed from 3.6 per cent, to 11.3 per cent.
THE pound euro exchange rate has risen 0.4 per cent against the euro today, capitalising on political uncertainty in Italy. This has seen the pound euro exchange rate now worth €1.149."

The more Europe goes to shit, the better your holiday euros deal.
I bet the remainders all jump out to take advantage. Some here have already boasted of such behaviour.

Being wedded to an ideal obviously does nor extend to supporting the euro when it is down! The conviction is not even skin deep- It cannot even extend below the pockets of the clothes worn.
So much for convictions eh boyos?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 May 18 - 01:01 PM

Europe's lurch to the right is a good reason to get out.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 May 18 - 07:42 AM

"Happy days are here again"
Interesting that your link indicates most of the problems Europe is having are down to the rapid rise of the ultra-right influence
Should make you very happy
Who's have thought the thirties in Europe could ever be described as ""Happy days"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 29 May 18 - 06:23 AM

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/29/italian-voters-brace-for-euro-showdown-ahead-of-snap-elections.html

Happy days are here again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTkX-OvIqP4

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 May 18 - 06:21 AM

From: Raggytash
Date: 27 May 18 - 06:37 AM
Iains, the majority of people either voted against it or did not vote at all.
Their misjudgement admittedly, but they are still a majority of the population.

For once I must agree. Voting against Brexit appears to have been a matter of misjudgement. Or is that not the intended meaning of your post?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 May 18 - 06:04 AM

Reuters today,
"FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Political turmoil in Italy and Britain’s decision to leave the European Union underscore the need for reforms in the bloc, a senior official of the German finance ministry said on Tuesday."
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-eurozone-germany/market-volatility-brexit-reinforce-urgent-need-for-eu27-reforms-german-official-idUSKCN1IU0XW

Bad news for EU.
More justification for Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 May 18 - 07:01 AM

I referred to the pack involved in the "hoops" campaign which you are aware of and have chosen to join.
If you believe I have distorted something, the normal response would be to challenge me on it so that I could justify or withdraw.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 18 - 06:57 AM

That's exactly the kind of thing I am referring to, Keith.
I won't go into a detailed review of the since Raggytash asked for reasons leaving the EU was beneficial, but a claim now no one was asking for the justification to be beneficial is a distortion.

Looks like you may have to be disappointed in me again, I am afraid. There is no pack, except in your mind, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 May 18 - 06:44 AM

I do not care if you choose to join the pack instead of replying to me DMcG. Just disappointed.

I put up some easily found arguments for leaving because Rag claimed never to have seen one.
I did not expect to convince any of you on the Remain side.

But that is not the same as saying changing the power balance is unambiguously beneficial.

No-one is claiming that.

So I never 'just say' I do not accept them: I challenge them and read them critically. And I do the same for remainer arguments, whether you believe that or not.

I am sure you do, and we on the other side do too.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 May 18 - 05:57 AM

Now that is an intelligent, well-reasoned post, DMcG! Nothing to disagree with there.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 18 - 05:42 AM

I was thinking earlier this morning, Keith, that I may have allowed enough time to say "let's talk again, if we are prepared to make the effort to understand the other's point of view. That doesn't mean we have to agree, but we do have to think about them."

I wonder, though. "Like you he can just say he does not accept them." Hmmm.

You seem to have missed that I said "You may think they are the right thing to do". There's no criticism in that: many people do think the power balance between the EU and the UK is wrong and they are perfectly entitled to that view and to have voted accordingly.   But that is not the same as saying changing the power balance is unambiguously beneficial.

So I never 'just say' I do not accept them: I challenge them and read them critically. And I do the same for remainer arguments, whether you believe that or not. I could give example posts where people have blamed things on Brexit, for example, and I have said that I don't think that is right. But as I said very early on in this thread and have repeated many times since, as far as I am concerned the vote is in the past and what we need to be doing is getting the best post-brexit arrangement we can. All the disputes are about what that little word "best" means. And from the government I see no sign they have a hint of agreement of what 'best' means.

So over to you again Keith. I am happy to resume talks as long as you appear to be making a serious attempt to understand other's remarks. And to stress, understanding is not the same as agreeing. But its all up to you whether we do.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 May 18 - 05:41 AM

This seems to put it where its at
From this morning's Irish Times
Jim Carroll

MAY HEARS HER BACKSTOP SIDESTEP IS A NON-RUNNER

Paddy Smyth Analysis
UK must find a way to make it work so it reflects promises of last December
Theresa May has strung herself and her government up on a DUP hook from which there is apparently no escape. Short, that is, of telling the unionists she has no choice but to make a commitment to the possibility of customs controls on the Irish Sea to secure the greater objective of a frictionless border between North and South.
Last week she was told by the EU in Brexit talks, in no uncertain terms, that her complex formula for sidestepping the “backstop” commitment she made in December - or, rather, reinterpreting it - is a complete non-runner.
She must now go back to the drawing board and produce a new way of opera¬tionalising the backstop that reflects the uncomfortable promises made in December. This backstop ensures no divergence in customs and trade rules between the Republic and Northern Ireland in the event there is no agreed solution on how to avoid a hard border.
How she ever thought it would run is not clear, as one senior EU official close to the talks admitted. “You are not the only one to be confused here,” he told this correspondent at a post-talks briefing.
SPECIAL PROTOCOL
Mrs May has struggled with the reality that in December, in order to demonstrate “sufficient progress” and see talks move on to their next stage, the backstop commitment was conceded as a guaranteed fallback to the EU for the Withdrawal Agree¬ment in case longer-term talks failed to produce a borderless EU-UK trade deal. It is now enshrined in draft, unagreed form in a special protocol to the Withdrawal Agreement.
Under pressure from unionists opposed to controls on the Irish Sea - inevitable if Northern Ireland is treated as a separate case - Mrs May has delayed and fudged in the Northern Ireland strand of hope that the guarantee might not be necessary. But the EU wants a firm commitment by June. And there is no sign of a solution.
May has been suggesting in recent weeks that the customs provisions suggested in the backstop should be extended on a UK-wide basis to obviate the need for separate treatment of Northern Ireland goods. This would be on a strictly time-limited basis, she insisted, so the UK’s ambitions to sign separate trade deals would not be inhibited.
Two problems: the time limit undoes the guarantee element; and the UK was committing only to the customs element, not regula¬tory alignment. Absent the latter, there can be no friction- less border.
The UK had refused to discuss the backstop in the Ireland talks strand last week, but, to the surprise of EU negotiators, sought to raise it in the “future relationship” discussions in another room. “We have not addressed these issues in the context in which they need to be addressed,” the EU official complained.
“They did, however, in the beginning of the meeting on the future partnership, ” he said, “refer to the fact that Mrs May remains determined to address the Irish border issue through the overall EU-UK relationship.
“They said that they are currently discussing only the customs dimension of the backstop and that they are looking at making that EU-UK-wide. At the same time they said that they recognise that the Article 50 agreement (Withdrawal Agreement) protocol could not set out the permanent long-term EU-UK customs relationship. ”

STILL CONFUSED?
So was the official, he confessed. Progress can’t be made to the June “sufficient progress” talks yardstick unless, he said, “we have a recognition that the backstop has to be Northern Ireland-specific. And we do away with the fantasy that there is an all-UK solution to that. ”
The EU awaits, within two weeks, an explanation in writing of how the agreed backstop will be operationalised and the legal language for it for the Withdrawal Agreement. Arlene Foster can expect an uncomfortable call from Downing Street.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 May 18 - 05:23 AM

We know that you were not convinced by the reasons to leave, but a majority of the electorate were.
Rag can not say that in two years he has never seen a "reason to believe that our leaving the EU was beneficial to our nation."

Like you he can just say he does not accept them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 18 - 05:18 AM

Not one of Hannan's reasons for leaving is unambiguously "beneficial to our nation". You may think they are the right thing to do, but that does not mean they are beneficial. For example I am not, personally, bothered too much about whether there is an EU flag or not, which he cites in support of his first reason.

Reason 6 was amusing. Apply it to a stroppy teenager who threatens to leave home. His argument is that once the threat is made, the only possible sensible outcome is to go through with it if the 'parents' don't concede. Whereas we all know that is usually not the best way to resolve the issue.

But there is an interesting thing about the flag. It has been suggested that if Northern Ireland reunified the UK would be pleased. Now if we did, logically we should change to the flag back to how it was between 1707-1800 (I think), before it was changed to incorporate Ireland.   Reluctance to do so would seem to me about a emotional attachment to 'the UK' as a concept that is completely divorced from what it actually is. The only other objection I could see would be the cost of replacing flags, but that is trivial in the scheme of things and not one that concerned us when we changed the flag to add Ireland. On the other hand I fee rather confident - with no evidence, I accept - that many Leavers, and a good few Remainers, would feel very unhappy about the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 May 18 - 04:53 AM

My prediction(for what it is worth) is that another general election will be called later in the year. The outcome will prove interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 May 18 - 04:46 AM

Rag,
If they could give us even one reason to believe that our leaving the EU was beneficial to our nation I would be pleased to consider it.

Here are six.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/six-best-reasons-vote-leave/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 18 - 04:37 AM

However contradictory it may be, I will repeat: I won't say any more about [that] here.

And in particular I'd rather not get into deep discussions about distribution curves, T-tests and the rest. Or the various possible meanings of the word rule (eg regulation versus pattern)

I just recommend it as a topic to reflect upon.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 28 May 18 - 04:20 AM

DMcG. Sociological data throws up any number of exceptions to the rule.
Most people are law abiding citizens but psychopathic murderers exist.
Most people have limited capital yet billionaires exist
Any distribution curve has extremes at either side, Most would be happy to call these end points exceptions.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 28 May 18 - 02:44 AM

Food and farming sector makes post-Brexit demands

I can't help wondering if Boston (UK) is represented in this, which has the strongest 'Leave' vote in the country.

Quoting the FInancial Times:

        The motivation for the Boston vote is not a mystery. Immigration here spiked by 460 per cent between 2004 and 2014, mostly through eastern Europeans coming to work in low-paid jobs in the fields or processing factories