BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 12:13 PM

Love the wonderful grasp people, have stating that Johnson will not be the first when he was obviously the second.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 12:46 PM

No he was the third, there was some nonentity (Baker?) yesterday.

Noticable how they have all delayed their resignations to make sure they got the ministerial car home first.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 01:22 PM

If Theresa May's proposals get put to the EU, and accepted, I can now see a benefit to Gina Miller's court case. Only now it could be the Brexit supporters who decide to vote against implementation on the current terms.

The Millar case was never about Brexit as such, it was about the relationship between the authority of government and Parliament. So it matters not a jot to me who sees that being to their benefit: getting the relationship right is what is important.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 01:33 PM

There is also clearly no majority of brexit supporters in Parliament.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 02:50 PM

would anyone care to speculate what are the basics of the government's plan for brexit? what are the chances of them getting this plan accepted by the conservative party? by parliament? or by the EU? what percentage of the electorate understand all this?
what percentage of the tory mps understand all this?
i reckon about 0% but to be honest i have stopped caring - the whole thing is completely ridiculous.
brexiteers - tell me i'm wrong and why?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:33 PM

Not a chance, Peter. They will not even tell you what the benefits may be. We have been trying to get some positivity for over 5000 posts and all we get is "weer gettin owr cuntry back" or "it will all work out for the best".

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:41 PM

Davis - Johnson - who next!!!
The rats are all deserting the sinking turd-polishing factory
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:55 PM

The bad news is that, as it all goes tits-up for the Praying Mantis and The BrexShit Bunch, the whole country is in danger of being damaged by their incompetence and in-fighting.

The good news is that the dozy, feeble-minded clowns who voted Leave, who continue to defend the indefensible, and who will no doubt be telling us it's the best-polished turd ever, will be just as hurt by the consequences of their stupidity as those of us who had the good sense to vote Remain.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:44 PM

Bwwaaaaaaha-ha-ha-haaaaahh!!

Just heard a female minister has resigned now - any idea who? Hopefully it's the witch McVey...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:46 PM

And Hunt is the new Foreign Secretary. She's scraping the bottom of the barrel now...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:09 PM

True David, my mistake, I was thinking only of Cabinet Ministers.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:58 PM

A thoroughly nasty narcistic racist oaf.

Corbyn?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 06:11 PM

I know you are not very intelligent Bobad, but if you care to read my post again you will find I mention Johnson by name.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 06:38 PM

Ignore him/her, Raggytash. Hoops.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 02:02 AM

Aaaaahh, the female minister's resignation appears to have been a bit of wishful thinking on some FB-user's part. Never mind, there's still time....

And the delightful Dominic Raab is now the BrexShit Supremo. How very appropriate - this is the same Dominic Raab who has expressed the belief that, amongst other workplace rights earned over many years, and 'forced on us' by an EU 'telling us what to do', sick-pay, paid holidays, rest days, the minimum wage, and the maximum enforceable 48-hour working week, should be abandoned.

Still, I'm sure Swivel-Hips, Teribus, Boob-ad, and other sundry Union-Jack-Boxers-Wearers will enjoy telling us why it's a great thing, and a positive result of 'taking are cuntry back'.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 02:07 AM

Ha! Mrs. Backwoodsperson just referred to our esteemed and revered new BrexShit Supremo as 'Demonic Raab'! Go girl! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 02:17 AM

Dominic Raab who has expressed the belief that, amongst other workplace rights earned over many years, and 'forced on us' by an EU 'telling us what to do', sick-pay, paid holidays, rest days, the minimum wage, and the maximum enforceable 48-hour working week, should be abandoned.

I do wonder if she remembered that before appointing him. Seen as a simple move, she wanted to put a strong Brexiteer in place to try to keep as many Leave supporting MPs on side as possible, to give the message that we will not just give in to EU demands, as some claim.

But that is a particularly inconvenient bit of baggage he comes with. Talking about abstractions like GDP and trade agreements and the rest are rather less impactful for most people than our own holiday entitlement, and working hours, and sick pay. Given one of her own more famous lines is about the need to stop the Tories being seen as the nasty party, this appointment is quite a target. If it isn't an attack in Parliament, it will feature heavily in the next election literature - which I still think is some way off, even with the musical chairs session.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:06 AM

I think the appointment of Demonic Raab and Hunt to their new posts shows just how much wood The Praying Mantis is scraping from the bottom of the barrel.

"Another fine mess the BrexShit-Bumpkins have gotten us into, Stanley!"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:13 AM

David,
There is also clearly no majority of brexit supporters in Parliament.

….and never has been. They are the establishment ruling elite.
If they continue to subvert the expressed will of the people a populist party is likely to emerge again and threaten their position as UKIP did.

Dave,
They will not even tell you what the benefits may be.

They have told you. It was all laid out in the Leave campaign. Nothing has changed.

It merged in yesterday's questions that Corbyn called for article 50 to be triggered immediately after the referendum result came in. Just like Cameron did before.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:15 AM

Emerged!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 07:26 AM

Bet they'd do a better job than May and her bunch of Muppets...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 07:26 AM

At least when Hunt stuffs up his latest department, it won't matter so much as it did for education and health. The UK's international relationship are in comparison unimportant.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 08:07 AM

Time for the highly esteemed Mr Farage to lead us to the promised land!
Remainiacs get used to the idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 09:54 AM

Jeremy Corbyn 2016,
"He said the result of the poll means the exit clause – Article 50, which would give a two year period for Britain to leave – must be observed as soon as possible in an interview with the BBC.
“The British people have made their decision. We must respect that result and Article 50 has to be invoked now so that we negotiate an exit from European Union.
“Obviously there has to be strategy but the whole point of the referendum was that the public would be asked their opinion. They’ve given their opinion. It is up for parliament to now act on that opinion. "
https://labourlist.org/2016/06/corbyn-article-50-has-to-be-invoked-now/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 10:08 AM

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:34 PM

"We might have been better situated, as we wouldn't have had a High court case about whether to issue Article 50. If it had been done immediately it would be fait accompli. This would possibly also have reduced just how much influence the Lords would have over the process."

Sure. And why not organise a military coup while you're at it.




Unusual criticism of Corbyn Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM

"Time for the highly esteemed Mr Farage to lead us to the promised land!
Remainiacs get used to the idea."

Well, for once I'm in complete agreement with you, Teribus. Absolute, 100% agreement.

In fact, I'll go further - on the morning after the Referendum, as soon as the result was declared, nstead of allowing them to shit their boxers and run for the hills, Camermoron should have appointed Haddock-Face, Bozo The Blond Bullingdon Buffoon, and The Little Lying Scottish Viper to be personally and jointly responsible for carrying through the entire BrexShit process...the formulation of a proper, workable policy plan, the negotiations with the EU team, the presentation of the deal to parliament, the whole lot.

With their slogans, sound-bites, hideous red buses, filthy racism and xenophobia, and disgusting bare-faced lies, they wrought the entire lunatic debacle of BrexShit on the large majority of the British population who did not vote to leave the EU, and they should be made to shoulder the full responsibility for, and consequences of, their actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 11:58 AM

isn't it wonderful to know we have a cohesive, close knit and united party taking us forward into Brexit ..............

Two vice chairmen of the conservatives have just resigned their posts

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 12:18 PM

Well Keith, Parliament ought to be the elite, as they are supposed to represent us and should really be able to make better judgements than we can. Sadly, I have my doubts.

Being elite is not a negative attribute.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 01:46 PM

I agree David, but that is just how they see themselves.
I prefer "the ruling class."
Quentin Letts today, "A leader with no party: it is the fate of every ruler since Rome who has tried to ignore the plebs."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:48 PM

does the tory party have 10 chairpeople? why? what the feckin feck - really this whole thing is a complete mess. really. it is, isn't it? admit it, you brexiteers, this is just ridiculous. we are embarrassing ourselves as a nation and soon we will be welcoming donald trump. where is our pride as a nation?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 12:52 AM

Courtesy of the New York Times - Boris Johnson, the man who ruined Britain

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 03:18 AM

"highly esteemed Mr Farage'
SECRET TRAINING EXERCISES FOR TAKING CONTROL OF BRITAIN
INDOCTRINATION CLASSES
UKIP UNITY
BRAVE NEW WORLD

Yup, something is going on - be afraid, be very afraid !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 03:19 AM

Very perceptive article, Robomatic. Coupled with the fact that only yesterday Trump claimed Johnson's friendship I think it tells us all me need to know about this megalomaniac.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 03:38 AM

With all the recent Tory party resignations it would be expected the opposition party would be making hay and grabbing headlines everywhere. But the only newsworthy action of the highly ineffectual Corbyn is to provoke fury by appointing an MP previously suspended over anti-Semitic slurs to his frontbench. The man is a continuous trainwreck!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:10 AM

Both parties are split over EU. They would both struggle to implement brexit when a majority of them oppose it.
Having said that, if Corbyn had been listened to we would have invoked article 50 two years ago and be out now.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:25 AM

We need a government of national unity which will keep us in the EU. There is a majority in parliament for this, and they should just do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:36 AM

From Robo's NYT piece.
"Britain is in this mess principally because the Brexiteers — led largely by Mr. Johnson — sold the country a series of lies in the lead up to the June 2016 referendum on leaving the European Union. They did so because neither Mr. Johnson nor his fellow leader of the Leave campaign, Michael Gove, intended, wanted or expected to win."

It appeared in NYT but is just a Brit Left Wing Remain journalist's biased views.
The quote above contains the old lie that lies won the referendum, and makes the bizarre claim that the lies were told to prevent themselves winning!
So, just the usual Remain bollocks but appearing in NYT instead of Guardian (which Ms Russell also used to write for.)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM

David,
We need a government of national unity which will keep us in the EU. There is a majority in parliament for this, and they should just do it.

That was the position before UKIP. All the parties were Remain and would never consider a referendum.
It would happen again. A populist party would arise and threaten to seize power at the next election.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:57 AM

One slight correction:
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM

That was the position before UKIP. All the parties were Remain and would never consider a referendum.
It would happen again. A populist party would arise and threaten to seize power at the next election.

I don't believe it would be a 'threat' (negative) but a 'promise' (positive). UKIP could make a comeback promising to implement what the majority of the voting public voted for.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:14 AM

Anyone who is thinking of threatening us with a UKIP comeback is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:16 AM

It is not an edifying sight to see troughing MP's deliberately defying the electorate. The next election could prove interesting!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:25 AM

UKIP were never anywhere near threatening to take power. They were threatening to take enough votes away from the tories that Labour might take power. The Tories put the interests of the Tory party above those of the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:42 AM

The Tories put the interests of the Tory party above those of the country.

Unlike labour the Tories followed thru with the promise of a referendum. This demonstrates clearly that the Tories can be half trusted yet labour not at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 06:18 AM

From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:25 AM
UKIP were never anywhere near threatening to take power. They were threatening to take enough votes away from the tories that Labour might take power. The Tories put the interests of the Tory party above those of the country.

No, they were nowhere near taking power, and they were made inconsequential by the 'major' parties promising a referendum.
Now we know that neither of the parties were actually prepared to carry through Brexit if the country voted to leave, there are 17 million who might feel that the only way that a true Brexit would be achieved is by voting for the only party already committed to providing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 06:37 AM

We could have still had a referendum on the European constitution if you had offered to pay the full cost for it out of your own pocket, instead of what would have been a total waste of tax payers money due to it already having failed to be ratified in other EU states. I don't recall you doing so at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 06:41 AM

He must be away with the faeries!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 06:43 AM

No Nigel, there aren't. And in any case we can mobilise the young and active to counter them. Start by reducing the voting age to 16. Expose the sewer press for what they are. Cameron was far too nice about the referendum, he didn't call out the lies and the liars. The gloves must now come off.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 07:00 AM

And in any case we can mobilise the young and active to counter them. Start by reducing the voting age to 16.
Is that an admission that you think you'd lose under the current rules, so need to change the rules?
Any way, maybe some action would be taken to prevent students from voting in two constituencies, thus lowering the youth vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 07:18 AM

No, its a statement that denying the vote to 16-17 year olds, whose futures are the most at threat from brexit, was an absolute disgrace.

I have no problem with students voting in two constituencies, they need representation in their home and in their place of study.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 07:21 AM

Anyone who is thinking of threatening us with a UKIP comeback is truly living in cloud cuckoo land.

Ukip was being dismissed as a threat right up until it won the EU elections.
Ukip could come back if the electorate feel sufficiently betrayed by the ruling class, or another populist party might emerge.

UKIP were never anywhere near threatening to take power.

A sufficient threat to force all parties to promise a referendum which has resulted in their worst nightmare.

. They were threatening to take enough votes away from the tories that Labour might take power.

Labour was equally threatened, otherwise they would not have promised a referendum too.