BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:47 AM

Buying goods in another Member State

There are no limits on what private persons can buy and take with them when they travel between EU countries, as long as the products purchased are for personal use and not for resale, with exception of new means of transport. Taxes (VAT and excise) will be included in the price of the products in the Member State of purchase and no further payment of taxes can be due in any other Member State.


Tobacco and alcohol

However, special rules apply in the case of goods subject to excise duty, such as alcoholic beverages and tobacco products. If a private person purchases such products in one Member State and takes them to another Member State, the principle that no excise duty has to be paid in the Member State of destination only applies if the goods are

    for the own use of the traveller and
    transported by himself.

But commercially:Excise duties are indirect taxes imposed on goods that damage consumer health or pollute the environment. The duties increase the price paid by the consumer, thereby discouraging the consumption or waste of the products concerned.

The general arrangements for movement and storage of goods subject to excise duty covers mineral oils, manufactured tobacco, alcohol and alcoholic beverages

Legislation on this issue can be categorised into the structure (taxable amount and event) and rates of excise duties

    Alcohol and alcoholic beverages ? structure and rates
    Manufactured tobacco
    Mineral oils
    Energy products and electricity

The rates set by the EU are minimum rates. EU countries can set their tax rates at higher levels suitable to their needs.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:50 AM

And from that same article, Raggytash:

“Non-EU net migration (+205,000) is now larger than EU net migration (+90,000), mainly due to the large decrease in EU net migration… Net migration of EU citizens has fallen by 75,000 over the last year… For non-EU citizens net migration increased by 40,000 over the last year.”

So we've "taken back control" even though we haven't yet taken back control, and this is only the start. Thing is, we have no control over people deciding not to come here or deciding to leave the country. This at a time when there are over a hundred thousand unfilled jobs in the NHS. Any suggestions, brexiteers? Perhaps we can do what we did when Ofsted started in the 1980s. They trained up new school inspectors in three days. We could set up some three-day training courses for new doctors and nurses, taking recruits straight from the sixth form. I'm sure they'd pick up the tricks of the trade on the hoof.

Brexiteers...?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:52 AM

Damn those question marks!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:54 AM

"We could set up some three-day training courses for new doctors and nurses, taking recruits straight from the sixth form. I'm sure they'd pick up the tricks of the trade on the hoof."

Is that how you got into teaching?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 07:30 AM

Likewise a reduction in costs, such as the removal of a tariff, is passed on to the final buyer, otherwise known as you and me!

Of course it is. Just like the tooth fairy leaves money under your pillow, Santa Claus comes down the chimney and the Easter bunny delivers eggs. Do you seriously believe that prices will come down rather than profits increasing?

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 07:45 AM

Rag,
That's amazing Dave, Import tariffs do exist. I'm sure someone on here claimed they didn't.

They did not Rag.
I will try to explain it again, but I doubt you will ever get it.

Import tariffs do exist.
EU countries do not impose tariffs on each other's goods.
EU countries have to impose tariffs on other countries unless a trade deal has been made.

When we leave we will not have to impose a tariff on anyone's goods. We can choose what goods require one.

Dave, your claim,
"it assumes that any savings on imports will be passed on to the consumer. We all know that this never happens."

Yes it does. You made that up. Your claim is based on nothing.
Just another vacuous whim from an empty head.

Or will you prove me wrong and tell us how you know this?
Confident prediction- no chance!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 08:23 AM

Meanwhile...

The EU has declared the "three basket approach" will not be acceptable. I wonder if the Chequers away-day will suggest it anyway.

And what about Rees-Mogg callibg May's transition plan a perversion of democracy.

Surely one of the Leave supporters has something to say about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 08:38 AM

Eh up Dave, you know that Joel Emmanuel Hagglund wrote quite a few songs. In one of them he created an expression that seems to fit the bill in people thinking the UK Government will not impose Import Tariffs on goods. That song is The Preacher and the Slave. It seems quite pertinent here.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:03 AM

Once again, it is you disputing the claim, Keith, and it is up to you to disprove it. Or you could stick to the point and tell us all the benefits that post brexit UK will reap.

My confident prediction. You will not do either.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:50 AM

Anyway, more "good news" today to follow yesterday's "good news" about unemployment zooming up and wages still lagging behind inflation. Growth revised down, business investment down, exports down, imports up. In the words of the Carpenters, we've only just begun...

Any offers from our brave-facers?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 12:28 PM

Dave,
Once again, it is you disputing the claim, Keith, and it is up to you to disprove it.

You have made a claim but you can not tell us why you believe it.
You have no evidence for your claim.
It is just another of your whims.

If an importer overcharges for goods, a competitor will undercut them.

Or you could stick to the point and tell us all the benefits that post brexit UK will reap.

Just a few examples then Dave.

Cheaper food and clothes estimated to save the poorest 20% of their spending.

The freedom to make trade deals with anyone we want.

Not being shackled to "an institution which is driving and reinforcing many of the problems across Europe, from the refugee crisis to worsening work conditions, to a growing militarism. While it is continuing to penalise Greece, it turns a blind eye to far-right politics in Poland and Hungary, and looks like endorsing the return of Silvio Berlusconi in next month?s Italian election."

The right to control our own borders.

A fair deal for our fishing industry, ravaged by the EU since we joined.

Helping developing nations by removing tariffs from their produce.
Freedom from EU bureaucracy.

Restoring power to our own Parliament.
etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

A fair deal for our fishing industry, ravaged by the EU since we joined


We discussed this a lot back in January. Here are some links and in some cases I have copied the text as well

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Dave the Gnome    17 Jan 18 - 04:06 AM

DMcG    17 Jan 18 - 05:09 PM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return


Nigel Parsons    17 Jan 18 - 10:18 AM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return.
The fact that we have a depleted fishing fleet does not cause a problem. We will be 'taking back control of our fishing grounds'. That does not have to mean we will fish them ourselves, but we will have control of any issue of fishing licences for them, and for how long those licences will be valid

===========

So Nigel is quite clear that getting control of the fishing grounds does not imply we fish them ourselves. Quite how that helps our fishermen - rather than big business ptentially from outside the UK - I leave you two to explain.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:26 PM

The UK has the second largest fishing fleet in the EU after Spain
(in gross tonnage) and lands the second largest live weight tonnage.(913k tonne in 2015)

Spanish out-UK in! not a problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 01:46 PM

I have no intention of justifying anything whosoever to you Keith. There is no point other than to give you the attention you are seeking. You are better seeking that from someone who gives a toss what you think. Now, how about some benefits that are not disputed?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:09 PM

Stop complaining about Brexit ? the economic benefits will be huge.
You know it makes sense. You can read it here in the gruniard.


Stop complaining about Brexit ? the economic benefits will be huge

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:14 PM

Absolutely perfect, Iains. A link to these huge benefits says 'not found'. I couldn't have put it better :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:23 PM

The article is by John Longford, who was co-chair of "Leave means Leave".

Thanks for the evidence that the Guardian is sufficiently grown up to publish opinion pieces that represent a wide range of views. Not all papers are.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:25 PM

Longworth. Sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 03:04 PM

D the G. Just goes to show the guardian not only has a problem with spelling. But I am sure a resourceful gnome can hop off his toadstool and find a missing link.
Any way- a partial taster!
All the benefits of Brexit are entirely independent from the single market and the customs union, except in so far as membership of these prevents us from crystallising them. There is also a potential and massively important fringe benefit of Brexit, in that the government will now have to do the things that George Osborne failed to deliver and which have been resisted by the City-dominated Treasury for so long.

We need to rebalance the economy, and from this imperative government no longer has a hiding place. Our new freedom and EU contribution monies mean the government, at last, has the mandate and the resources to support our small and medium-sized exporters, and not be transfixed by the often protectionist multinationals. We must invest in universities and research and development and actually build infrastructure, not just talk about it. Seek the lowest-cost sources of energy rather than burdening consumers with massive bills. Provide non-equity loan capital and finance for entrepreneurs, growing firms and the tech sector, even if it means the City turning a buck less.

Immigration must be cut, but not at the expense of talent and jobs. Bone fide university students should be assessed for immigration at the point of graduation, not entry ? after all, education is a service sector ?export? as much as selling Burberry handbags, and creates a network around the world and a pool of talent for business. We want the brightest and the best in this country, alongside investment in the development and training of our young people to ensure they are as employable as possible. It is shameful that we have nearly 600,000 unemployed under-25s........

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:08 PM

The story that some would argue has no legs, not only has more legs that a millipede, but is growing wings as well. Would the CIA keep tabs on corbyn, unless they felt there was sufficient reason?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5423507/CIA-files-reveal-spies-kept-tabs-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

luvvin it!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 05:56 PM

The whole yarn has been utterly discredited, and the good old Daily Mail is simply bringing the press into disrepute. Let it go, Iains. It's making you suffer.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 03:12 AM

I am sure a resourceful gnome can hop off his toadstool and find a missing link.

Of course I can but it isn't half as much fun as pointing out that a link to post brexit benefits says 'file not found' :-)

A much better article on Jeremy 'Stalin' Corbyn in the Independant.

Enjoy

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 03:36 AM

"The story that some would argue has no legs,"
The only "legs" this story has is the fact that Mayfly's incompetence has made yet another General Election inevitable - I always look forward to hearing the cuckoo in the spring
'The Times' has widened the target to include 'Red Ron' Brown - so the entire Labour party is really a communist cell - I ***** wish - it might have made parliamentary politics a tad more interesting.
"Jeremy 'Stalin' Corbyn "
Nice one Dave (you must explain how to 'blue clickie The Independent some time - I can never manage to)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 03:55 AM

Calamity Jeremy

:

https://www.joe.co.uk/politics/gadzooks-loony-lefty-jeremy-corbyns-calamitous-manifesto-leaked-125059

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 04:06 AM

From: DMcG - PM
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

A fair deal for our fishing industry, ravaged by the EU since we joined

We discussed this a lot back in January. Here are some links and in some cases I have copied the text as well

==========
Dave the Gnome    17 Jan 18 - 04:06 AM

DMcG    17 Jan 18 - 05:09 PM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return


Nigel Parsons    17 Jan 18 - 10:18 AM
We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds
This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return.
The fact that we have a depleted fishing fleet does not cause a problem. We will be 'taking back control of our fishing grounds'. That does not have to mean we will fish them ourselves, but we will have control of any issue of fishing licences for them, and for how long those licences will be valid

===========

So Nigel is quite clear that getting control of the fishing grounds does not imply we fish them ourselves. Quite how that helps our fishermen - rather than big business ptentially from outside the UK - I leave you two to explain.

I thought the answer would be implicit in my earlier reply:
The fact that we have a depleted fishing fleet does not cause a problem. We will be 'taking back control of our fishing grounds'. That does not have to mean we will fish them ourselves, but we will have control of any issue of fishing licences for them, and for how long those licences will be valid
Once we have the control we can issue licences to maximise/control the amount of fishing, but allowing it to continue while we get our own fishing fleet back to its previous size (in line with our new fishing area). At which time, time limited licences (to businesses in other countries) will expire to be replaced by increased licences to UK companies.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:02 AM

BTW - I should have added a genuine 'Well done Iains' to my last post. The article is what I have been asking for for days and you have been the first to provide it. It predicts a good positive outcome for brexit as long as the government do it properly. That fact that this present administration seem incapable of doing anything right does little to allay my fears but at least someone is trying. Unfortunately it is just one ray of hope in a forest of doom laden outcomes. Thanks anyway.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:09 AM

Dave,
I have no intention of justifying anything whosoever to you Keith.

You can not justify your claims to anyone because you just make them up.

If you make a claim you should be able to support it with some knowledge or fact.
I do. We all do except you.
You can not because yours are just made up by you.

Brexit will change our policy on refugees and asylum seekers.
Made up claim, based on no knowledge or fact.
Tariff savings never lead to lower prices.
Made up claim based on no knowledge or fact.

Just empty head whims.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:14 AM

Keith, if you feel that my contributions are empty headed then ignore them. Treat them with the contempt you feel that they deserve ra. Absolutely no skin off my nose at all. And which bit of fuck off is so difficult to understand?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:16 AM

...they deserve ra... ther than trying and failing to analyse them.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:29 AM

have control of any issue of fishing licences for them,?and for how long those licences will be valid
Once we have the control we can issue licences to maximise/control the amount of fishing, but allowing it to continue while we get our own fishing fleet back to its previous size (in line with our new fishing area). At which time, time limited licences (to businesses in other countries) will expire to be replaced by increased licences to UK companies.

As I said originally, this is complex. We can only sell the licences to people interestes in buying them and i expect that they would be seeking long lasting licences. I don't know, of course, but it seems likely. And if the licence is even moderately long term - say ten ywars - we get back to long term investment in UK industry with no financial return.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:53 AM

By the way, Dave, I agree Iains deserves a pat on the back for finding a prediction saying Brexit can be positive which has some arguments to say why.

However, lines in the article need to be read between. Fot example the phrase "Seek the lowest-cost sources of energy rather than burdening consumers with massive bills" means precisely what is says. There are pressure to create more open cast coal mines in the North East despite the government line that they will all be closed by (I think) 2025. Local environmental damage? Long term pollition and carbon emissions? Pah! Cheap is all that counts. Fracking? If it is cheap, bring it on.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:55 AM

Got to have some fish before you need to worry about fishing.


http://www.thecommentator.com/article/6092/the_eu_s_betrayal_of_britain_s_fishing_industry

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 06:39 AM

"Calamity Jeremy"
Interesting how a decent opposition leader has the rabid right running arounfd in circles
"Joe" who exactly - Mengele maybe - they never caught up with him
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 06:41 AM

Ians's Guardian piece,
"We should aim to remove tariffs, either unilaterally or through free trade negotiations, thus reducing the cost of food by up to 40%, and the cost of clothing and footwear by up to 20%."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/23/complaining-brexit-economic-benefits-government-cost-of-living-multinationals

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 06:47 AM

Always beware of the words 'up to'!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 07:06 AM

As I said originally, this is complex. We can only sell the licences to people interestes in buying them and i expect that they would be seeking long lasting licences. I don't know, of course, but it seems likely. And if the licence is even moderately long term - say ten ywars - we get back to long term investment in UK industry with no financial return.
Whether we have a 'cliff edge' exit in March 2019, or an extension to December 2020, I wouldn't expect Spanish fishermen to chose a sudden cessation of being able to fish British waters to a longer (3 years, 5 years, 10 years?) period of fishing UK waters in which to plan for their future fishing areas.
Of course, if there was a sudden stop, with no uptake of licences, and the UK fishing fleet too small initially to maximise the catch, then that may be good for the fishing stocks in our waters.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 07:21 AM

I wouldn't expect Spanish fishermen to chose a sudden cessation of being able to fish British waters to a longer (3 years, 5 years, 10 years?) period of fishing UK waters in which to plan for their future fishing areas.

Nor would I. But that is precisely what gets us back to how does this benefit the UK fishing industry. The Spanish still have the licence to fish. I, were I a UK fishing fleet owner, still have what I have now, or have perhaps had it extended to the maximum my existing fleet can cope with, but should I invest in new boats knowing that when the Spanish licence comes to an end there is no guarantee the Spanish will not win the next round, so all my investment is wasted?

Unlike many Brexit issues, I think this one is actually soluable, but only if 'getting back control' means the UK will actively control it rather than just letting the market decide. It will have to refuse some profitable licences to help UK industry. Totally against what Longworth says we need to do to get the Brexit benefit, but hey ho!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:03 AM

"Interesting how a decent opposition leader has the rabid right running around in circles"

It's also interesting that they've forgotten that personal attacks on Corbyn and pointless dirt-digging on him, instead of showing that they are a responsible and grown-up administration, are exactly the tactics that lost them their majority. Gosh, he looks like a cuddly bunny when set alongside the Tories secretly trying to do deals with the IRA and Thatcher cosying up to ratbags such as Reagan and Pinochet.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:24 AM

Interesting article on the fishing industry here:

Facts not Fantasy

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 09:09 AM

"set alongside the Tories secretly trying to do deals with the IRA "
And bunging a billion to the terrorist connected DUP from taxpayers money
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 09:31 AM

"Interesting how a decent opposition leader has the rabid right running arounfd in circles"

Interesting how shining the spotlight on young jeremy of the allotment shows the true nature of the man.(the spy come in from the allotment,
according to the FT) Was Was Jeremy Corbyn a spy? shuffling scruffily around St James’s Park with his cling-filmed sandwiches, looking for dead drops – or screwing tiny microphones into the lids of his jars of home-made jam before presenting them to unsuspecting colleagues.
"In John le Carré’s most recent novel, A Legacy of Spies, George Smiley laments “a cause the world barely remembers” – and, as so often, he is right. The worst possible reaction to the reports of Corbyn’s Czech connection is also the most common: who cares?" To which the old adage "you can tell a man by the company he keeps" requires to be displayed everywhere in four foot fluorescents. The allegations cannot be dismissed as an irrelevance. Who controls the past controls the future, as all totalitarians know. But it is also true that those who insist upon understanding the past have the best chance of safeguarding their own liberty.
He is unfit for the highest office.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 09:42 AM

"To which the old adage "you can tell a man by the company he keeps"

Should this also apply to every Foreign Secretary from Charles James Fox. I would have thought that the Foreign Secretary must by the very nature of the position meet some dubious officials.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 10:38 AM

Not your work, was it, Iains?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 11:18 AM

"Not your work, was it, Iains?"
Written by Matthew Robert Ralph d'Ancona Deputy editor of Conservative paper, 'The Sunday Telegraph', now editor of the Conservative 'Spectator'
What the hell else is someone as "interesting" as that going to say Iains
Little wonder you didn't link your quote
Have you tried the BNP or Ukip websites yet - maybe something there!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 12:19 PM

Well that was an extremely successful diversion and wasted their time for a while.


MOI? Plagiarise?

Damm right!!!!!
it is one way of stopping your constant bleating.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 12:24 PM

An amusing gem from guido:

The Information Commissioner?s office has written to MPs to remind them not to share their usernames and passwords with others. Information Commissioner Elizabeth Denham wrote to all MPs this week:

    ?My office observed reports from social media in early December 2017 in which a number of Members openly revealed their practice of sharing their login details and passwords. I was concerned by these reports and have decided to write to all Members to highlight the importance of following good practice in respect of password management and information security.?

During the Damian Green scandal press reports noted the practice of MPs sharing their passwords with staff. Sharing passwords could give MPs plausible deniability over their online actions?

The letter from the ICO came to MPs in the notoriously impregnable form of a Microsoft Word document. The properties tab in Word revealed the username of the document?s author and members of ICO staff who had edited it. Some way to go to achieve max info sec?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 12:26 PM

https://order-order.com/2018/02/23/labour-momentum-and-communist-party-to-hold-cooperation-meeting/
The Labour Party and Momentum will join forces with the Communist Party of Britain at a “cooperation” meeting next month. The CPB are the Marxist-Leninist wing of Britain’s communist movement. They are holding a “fraternal” conference where they will team up with Corbynistas to plot joint aims and activities. Momentum officer Michael Calderbank will speak at the meeting entitled: “Working With Labour for a Socialist Future”. Adverts for the event show two red hands grasping each other, one emblazoned with the Labour Party’s red rose logo, the other with the communist hammer and sickle…

The Communist Party of Britain aims to “put Britain on the road to socialist revolution” by means including “extra-parliamentary struggle.” The party openly praises the Soviet Union, Maoist China and other totalitarian communist regimes. Who needs Agent COB when you’ve got Labour openly working together with communists?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 12:32 PM

What, two diversion attempts at the same time? You are getting ambitious, but "no bid".

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 01:14 PM

More Guido Fawkes the fascist - you really are stuck for a buckety of shgit to throw over Labour
All parties of the left have joined to oppose the slaughter that is going on in Syria at present while the Tories remained unchanged in their silent support for Assad
Today's Communist party is a wishy-washy reformist party - probably on par with the left of the Liberers
Despite the wishes of Mayflowers - it remains as it always has been, a legal minority party
How about answering the fuck-ups of your Government instead of attempting to smear those doing the job the Tories are not
WE JUST SHRUG
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 01:45 PM

" instead of attempting to smear those doing the job the Tories are not"
Missed a bit
add - "but instead are desperately attempting to return the refugees from Syria back into the war zones or are standing by watching drowned refugee children lifted out of the sea"
Jim Carroll