BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 10:49 AM

Greg, we have had a number of posts setting out what she did not say.
I posted what she did say.
What is your objection?

She could not renege on such a clear staement of intent without having to resign.

Are you saying we should ignore all such statements and manifestos?
That is stupid.
As electors we hold them to their promises or sack them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 11:00 AM

Hey Greg, like the one where Teresa May said there would be no snap general election !!

No general election

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 11:27 AM

Rag, here is how she justified it.

"So we need a general election and we need one now. We have at this moment a one-off chance to get this done while the European Union agrees its negotiating position and before the detailed talks begin."
"I have only recently and reluctantly come to this conclusion. Since I became prime minister I've said there should be no election until 2020, but now I have concluded that the only way to guarantee certainty and security for the years ahead is to hold this election and seek your support for the decisions we must take."

Jeremy Corbyn supported the move and a two thirds majority of MPs was required to bring the date forward.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 12:20 PM

She states she will "maintain" and "enhance" workers rights

Yes, she does. However, Gove, for example, regards getting rid of the Working Time Directive AS an enhancement.

The Department for Exiting the EU has produced relevant factsheet
This states quite clearly "The Repeal Bill will ensure that the workers’ rights that are enjoyed under EU law will continue to be available in domestic law after we have left the EU. This includes rights derived from EU law, such as the Working Time Directive and the Agency Workers’ Directive. This will give certainty and continuity to employees and employers alike,creating stability in which the UK can grow and thrive."

Which is all well and good, were it not that the amendment to explicitly include these in the Withdrawal Bill lost, and that May seems very reluctant to say the "rights derived from EU law, such as the Working Time Directive and the Agency Workers’ Directive will continue to be available in domestic law after we have left the EU".

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 02:56 PM

It's amazing Greg, I post a reply to your comment, specifically naming you GREG in my post and a troll replies.

It is not the first time (or even second) this has happened by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:03 PM

Hi Steve

Yes I am here. I sat and watched Man United get torn to pieces by Bristol City. It was a good game to watch and in the end the result was just about right.

But remember we are still 2nd to Man City and we have a good record in the league.

Liverpool have the second best attack in the league but probably one of the worst defences.

I think the second half of the season is going to be very interesting with may 8 teams challenging for the four top positions.

Cheers Mike

PS Oh yt the way, how did Liverpool get in this cup competition ??

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:08 PM

Hi Steve

<" I expect you'll be blaming it on us remoaners...">

Why would I want to do that? I have no reason to blame the "remoaners" for anything. They are entitled to support who and what they like.
just as I am.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:11 PM

Unless Man City suffer some sort of catastrophe there would seem to be only one winner of this years Championship race.

As an armchair supporter of United even I have to admit City are playing very good football.

Perhaps we should start a separate thread !!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 06:51 PM

Man City are bankrolled by one of the world's richest men. It would be a disgrace if they didn't win everything every year (which they don't). Man U win their games ugly. Depressing to watch. Liverpool are by streets the most exciting team to watch. That'll do me. Just been up to Manchester for three days. Nowt but murk, drizzle, fog and traffic jams round Besses. The whole thing reminded me of watching, nay, ENDURING, any Man U game.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 17 - 02:22 AM

Let me raise another of the likely enhancements, because it was in the last Conservative manifesto. It is likely that people could get the right to a year off work as maternity/paternity leave. Howevwr this was unpaid. So very few people could afford it. More to the point though, this might replace the existing scheme so the wxisting payments might stop. None of this was clear at the election but you can see how this, which wpuld make even the existing leave unaffordable for most people, could be "sold" as an enhancement.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 04:35 AM

It's amazing Greg, I post a reply to your comment, specifically naming you GREG in my post and a troll replies.

This is an open forum.
If you only want Greg's response use PM.
There was no trolling in any replies.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 04:53 AM

Keith. The usual suspects treat the forum as a private club and as soon as the topic under discussion becomes uncomfortable for them they start their infantile tactics:
Discussing weeds, cheap booze and football.
Form into a ratpack and start bullying.
They then appeal to the moderators to close the thread.
Failing all the above they resort to trolling and puerile insults.

They also have a mutual appreciation society, where they can slap each other on the back when they feel they have trounced all contributors.
I suppose we should really feel sorry for them. If you look how many times a day they post, it is obvious they see reality in the cyber world. Perhaps the real world exposes their numerous inadequacies too sharply for comfort. Sad ,sad little men all of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:10 AM

Jim, Dave, Greg, Raggytash, don't be suckered into responding to him. He's almost got enough rope.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:34 AM

Hi Steve

<" Still, I'll be able to rub salt in the wound when Liverpool slaughter Arsenal on Friday!">

Err... no salt rubbing !!!! A very entertaining game with some great goals.

Mind you a couple of weeks ago WE managed to beat Arsenal at Arsenal 3-1 !!!

All the best for the Holidays.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:51 AM

"The usual suspects treat the forum"
Eight lines of personal abuse without a single word on Brexit complaining about people posting off topic comments
You couldn't make it up!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 06:10 AM

I would like to express my sincere thanks and deep gratitude to the Brexiteers on their magnificence achievement of yesterday.

How wonderful it is that they have taken back control, my delight and joy is boundless.

Yes they have REALLY made a difference and from 2019 our passports will be Blue and not that nasty Maroon that other, lesser, Europeans use.

There just one slight little fly in the ointment, it seems we may be put to the back of the queue clearing customs in future.

Blue Passports

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 06:43 AM

And it seems the format is reviewed every fice years anyway and the colour coukd be changed at any time.

The £490 million sounds a lot but is for 11.5 years and currently a passport costs around £72 so a back of the envelope check suggests it is paid entirely by the passport holders.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 06:49 AM

Makes you proud to be British doesn't it.

In the Guardian editorial comment it also mentions the £600 annual rise in living costs since the Brexit vote, and of course this hits the lowest paid hardest.

Living Costs Increase

Not that most Brexiteers care a toss about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 08:13 AM

Ho HO HO!

Not only exceedingly bad at adding up but also conveniently forgetful (bit like the usual crowd on here)

Another seasonal journalistic scoop from Guido


https://order-order.com/2017/12/17/diane-forgets-backed-second-referendum/
and to save jimmie the trouble Guido is a yabbah yabbah yabbah (with no spelling mistakes)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:04 AM

As long as my passport fits into my Mountain Warehouse pouch wot I wear exclusively for getting through airports, I don't give a stuff what colour it is. The intriguing thing is that my passport expires four days after brexit but I shall have to renew it long before then. Will I be "marooned" for ten more years, I ask meself?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:17 AM

Inanes, how do you even FIND these conspiracy theory lunatic right-wing blogshites?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:27 AM

"Guido" is an extremist right-wing blogger as you are Adolphy
His word is as reliable as that of your anti Semite
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:06 PM

Greg you disappoint me. I was under the misapprehension that you possessed half a brain cell. Obviously I was wrong. You are obviously listening too much to jimmie the half a b.

Paul De Laire Staines is a British-Irish libertarian political blogger, who publishes the Guido Fawkes website. His website was described by The Daily Telegraph as "one of Britain's leading political blogsites"

This is quite unlike your goodself and jimmy who can rightly claim to be leading gobshites.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:24 PM

The wiki page you quote from (without a link I notice) also goes on the say "tittle tattle, gossip and rumours about Westminster's Mother of Parliaments"

Note TITTLE, TATTLE and GOSSIP and RUMOURS, not exactly a source a rational person would use to further any intelligent discussion.

Link

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:33 PM

I've said it several times, and it's only my opinion, but just cut Iains loose. Ignore everything he posts as if he hadn't posted at all. There's clearly something wrong with him. If we stop responding, he'll either stop posting or else he'll isolate himself, get even worse and make it easy for the mods to get rid of him. I don't think they bother looking in on these threads much because they think we're all at it. Show them that we can be restrained. Just sayin'.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:45 PM

Three more sentences of abuse and still no Brexit
What happened to the whinges of "sad-mannishness" or are you tring to become a member
Seig Heil, me old Adolphie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:48 PM

I don't mind someone putting an alternative viewpoint but to use a blogger such as Guido Fawkes smacks of desperation.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 01:56 PM

"The Daily Telegraph as "one of Britain's leading political blog sites""
If the official mouthpiece of a Party that's done a deal with a terrorist linked group says so, it must be true then!!
Sure it must!!
You've had the details of his CV - he is an extremist nutter
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 08:49 PM

"A very entertaining game with some great goals."

Flippin' 'eck, Mike, are you going for the Understatement Of The Year trophy? That was the fastest, most thrilling and most exciting match I've seen since Burnley, with the sublime Jimmy Mac at inside right, beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-0 in the FA Cup on 7 March 1961. And yes, I was there at that one! Last night's match was played at blistering pace with lots of mistakes, two amazing counter-attacking teams going hell for leather, Liverpool having a very silly five minutes that set the game afire. None of your negative bus-parking Mourinho shite!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 04:27 AM

Perhaps the rats would like to peruse the shenanigans of abbot elsewhere.

Do we have to go back to the parable of the seagull and the crow?
If they shit on your head the end result is the same. You get covered in shit. It does not matter how facts are conveyed! Facts are facts.
Perhaps you rats could explain to jimmy - he seems to have a problem with such basic concepts.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/885839/Brexit-latest-news-Diane-Abbott-second-referendum-letter-constiuents


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5128199/Diane-Abbott-calls-second-referendum-deal-EU.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5025566/diane-abbott-mocked-after-she-wrongly-claims-she-wants-to-see-a-second-brexit-referendum/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 08:23 AM

Crikey, the Dally Empress, The Daily Heil and the Stun say the same thing. The only thing that that seems to prove is that it is a load of shite.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 09:07 AM

What's all this about a second referendum? We've already had it, in June last year. The first one was in 1975. It ill-behoves brexiteers to castigate those who now call for a third one.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 10:56 AM

....and keep on having them until the result is deemed acceptable by our ruling elite.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 12:08 PM

"You couldn't make it up!!"
Jim Carroll

You are so right jimmie. I do not have to make it up. You do

For jimmie and the gnome. Abbot from her own mouth. Still accusing me of lying? Stupid boys!

at 10 minutes 40 seconds



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPPG0RzTdbc

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 02:56 PM

Oh the poor little darlings!

Link

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 03:07 PM

A rather damning editorial in the Observer.

Link

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 03:20 PM

"A rather damning editorial in the Observer"
Only to those gullible goons that believe it. It is an editorial more worthy of April Fool's Day. You should invest in a proper newspaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Dec 17 - 03:48 PM

From the Observer link, re the passport shenanigans:

"Yet this very British piece of puerile chauvinism is a phenomenon worth examining. It speaks to a largely imagined era of global imperial glory, inflated and magnified by time."

Exactly. Another crumb for the little Englanders, with their illusory ideas of former glories (aka ruthless exploitation of those feckless black chappies...), to justify the ever-receding vision of a glorious future cut adrift from the EU...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 04:28 AM

The on-going saga of the Impact Assessments that David Davis said did not exist.

Impact Assessments

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 04:49 AM

It is only you remainers making a big issue about the passports, on this thread and a dedicated thread too!
The leavers here do not care. Trivial.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 07:02 AM

Speak for yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 07:55 AM

This says it all...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 09:04 AM

Careful, John. Nige is one of Keith's heroes wot never lies...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 11:13 AM

Ha! Like I give a rat's arse! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 12:53 PM

From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 06:49 AM
Makes you proud to be British doesn't it.
In the Guardian editorial comment it also mentions the 600 pound annual rise in living costs since the Brexit vote, and of course this hits the lowest paid hardest.
Living Costs Increase

What a shame you don't seem to have read the link before posting it. it does mention 600 pounds, but what it says is: On one estimate British households are each more than 600 pound a year worse off following the vote.
Following that further link (to their own site) what the page actually says is:
British households are each more than 600 pound a year worse off following the vote to leave the European Union, according to one of the UK's leading economic forecasting bodies.

The National Institute of Economic and Social Research (NIESR) said it is 'almost certain' the leave vote has damaged living standards and hit the growth potential of the economy. The thinktank also scaled back its expectations for growth in the UK for the next three years.

So the 'facts' are "almost certain", in their view.
By the Guardian posting them as 'facts', and hiding the uncertainty in the smaller print they allow others (in this case themselves) to later put the same figures out as if they are an accepted certainty, allowing more credulous people to then quote them in turn.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 01:10 PM

From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:04 AM
As long as my passport fits into my Mountain Warehouse pouch wot I wear exclusively for getting through airports, I don't give a stuff what colour it is. The intriguing thing is that my passport expires four days after brexit but I shall have to renew it long before then. Will I be "marooned" for ten more years, I ask meself?

We've already discussed this (back in October). And you gave the impression you wanted to retain your maroon passport for another ten years.
As I explained then: You can renew your passport at any time. When you renew your passport, time left on your existing passport is added to your new one, up to a maximum of 9 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 03:55 PM

I notice Nigel that you do not refer in your post to the most salient sentence.

The rise in living costs are across the board, those with the least amount still face an increase that those with the most can probably afford.

Whether the increase is £500 per year or £700 per year if you don't have surplus income you will suffer.

Not that I expect you to be too concerned about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 04:22 PM

The most salient fact is that the organisation that produced the quoted figures is ALMOST certain. Almost = not quite = not sure.

Predicating an argument based on uncertainty rather negates it's validity. Perhaps they are being whimsical or more likely, as others here,they are full of sh*t,

I wonder if their conjectures are based on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle or more likely a thwarted effort to locate the scarlet pimpernel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 04:41 PM

Ignore it, chaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 26 Dec 17 - 04:58 PM

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen [pounds] nineteen [shillings] and six [pence], result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery."

So let's not worry too much about the actual figure, Nigel. To the best of your understanding are people on median salaries the same, better off or worse off since the EU vote?