BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 11:39 AM

Guardian

This one?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 12:41 PM

now that we seem to be reaching a beginning of the end in the Brexit negotiations with the govt sleep over this weekend, are any brexiteers willing to admit to any doubts about the project? Have you decided who you are going to blame if the 'plan' isn't the one you want? anyone thinking -'oh sod it, it was a daft idea anyway?'
could be your last chance to step back from the cliff and claim a bit of sanity before it's too late

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 01:13 PM

The problem of that who to 'blame when it goes wrong' concerns me a lot. Whether we have no deal, or withdraw Article 50 or have a hard or soft Brexit, there are likely to be a lot of very angry people come the next election, blaming someone - anyone - that their ideal hasn't happened. There is a very good chance some popularist party will be created which is very Nationalistic hoping to hoover up all the voters.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 01:35 PM

good point - there has been efforts on both side of the pond to encourage nationalist sentiment against us traitors and any other group of victims they choose

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 02:17 PM

i like the number 5

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 02:24 PM

Congrats, then. Took me a moment to work out what you meant.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 02:42 PM

are any brexiteers willing to admit to any doubts about the project? Have you decided who you are going to blame if the 'plan' isn't the one you want? anyone thinking -'oh sod it, it was a daft idea anyway?'

The ruling elite liked things as they were.
That is why a new party had to arise before the people got a say.
Now the elite have taken back control. Unless it is taken away from them again nothing will happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 03:04 PM

Thats the one, thank you Nigel.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 03:15 AM

It is not just the elite taking back control, but the elite being best placed as the vultures to pick on the bones, and who will profit from no longer being tied to the responsibilities of Europe wide cooperation.

And who will really profit if the EU is destabilise and 28 states start ageessively competing to protect there own corners? Possibily those who trade on the basis of market fluctuations?

I,and everyone else should only accept leaving if the elite are legally bound to protect and compensate the rest of the population from 100% of adverse impacts.   FDor example,why is May and her government and their familes not out working in the fields 24 hours a day, seven days a week to replace the lack of seasonal crop picking workers this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 03:51 AM

For example, why are May and her government and their families not out working in the fields 24 hours a day, seven days a week to replace the lack of seasonal crop picking workers this year.

So, you believe good labour laws should only apply to supporters of the Labour Party?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:50 AM

Brexit campaign expected to be found guilty of breaking electoral law.

Can we expect the referendum to be re-run? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:51 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 04:46 AM

Lib Dems and Labour made the same offer. The Conservative party were responsible for implementing the offer they made, please no more red herrings or reds under the bed diversions

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 08:41 AM

From: The Sandman - PM
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 04:43 AM
"no responsible politician should offer such a plan when there was no idea how to implement it, it exposes a politician [cameron] "


Lib Dems and Labour made the same offer.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 10:25 AM

Keith,
It's no good harping on about Labour and Lib Dems making the same offer.
It's clear enough that the Labour Party promising a referendum cannot be treated as a promise of a referendum. History makes that clear.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stanron
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 10:33 AM

Nigel, are we to take from this the fact that we can't believe promises Labour clearly makes? The world should be told!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 10:38 AM

Point taken, Nigel, but there are many broken promises across all parties. The main thing here is that Cameron delivered on the promise but had no contingency plan whatsoever following the leave result that occurred. That was pure idiocy and a gamble that no politician should take with the country. The fact that he immediately resigned following the result and left the government with no clue as to what to do next speaks for itself.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 10:44 AM

If he hadn't immediately resigned, and admitted he had no plans for following up on a leave vote, I imagine you would have been calling for his resignation anyway.

He would be damned either way. Personally I think he should have stuck with it, and immediately issued Article 50, as promised. With a two-year timescale we would be out by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 11:13 AM

Yes Nigel we may have got out and been in an even bigger pickle than we are now. Two years, plus, have passed and our government cannot even tell business concerns the rules have may or may not have to follow. They cannot tell us, the citizens anything positive about our future. The only forecast we read are negative or extremely negative.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is the way to govern the county??

Have you a.............. no of course not.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 11:29 AM

We might have been in a bigger pickle (on the acceptance that that your description of the current state of affairs).
We might have been better situated, as we wouldn't have had a High court case about whether to issue Article 50. If it had been done immediately it would be fait accompli. This would possibly also have reduced just how much influence the Lords would have over the process.

Are you seriously suggesting that this is the way to govern the county
Which county? I'm in Cardiff (previously South Glamorgan)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 11:52 AM

Ye gods and little fishes, if you have to pick up on a typo you really have no counter argument to offer do you.

Not really surprised though Nigel, no one on the Brexit side seems to have a clue about the future except "wer taking back cuntrol" and even that is more of a wish than a reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 12:14 PM

Nigel. Neither Cameron not anyone could have immediately triggered article 50 as the court case proved. It had to be put to parliament and follow due parliamentary process. Quite right too. I would have thought that you as a brexiteer would be all for giving the UK government control!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 12:38 PM


It's no good harping on about Labour and Lib Dems making the same offer.

It certainly isn't. That people who dismiss all analyses as speculation want to spend time speculating about what Labour and LibDem would have done is a more than little absurd.

Let us talk instead about the latest financial 'speculations': it appears Hammond will present costs of all proposed options to the cabinet on Friday.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 12:57 PM

The Treasury was wrong about consequence of voting leave. It is still "the beating heart" of Remain.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:34 PM

"We might have been better situated, as we wouldn't have had a High court case about whether to issue Article 50. If it had been done immediately it would be fait accompli. This would possibly also have reduced just how much influence the Lords would have over the process."

Sure. And why not organise a military coup while you're at it?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:13 PM

Dace, surely you mean parliament, not government. I am bemused that those to spouted the tenet, bringing control back to the people sre steadfastly against the people having any say on future direction of the UK going a single iota againstg what they want and their own interpetation of the will of the people.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:54 PM

I did, SPB. Mentioned parliament earlier so thought most would realise, as you did, but thanks for pointing it out for those who did not. It amazes me too and I agree with what you say about their own interpretation. Doesnt surprise though as the only reason given for voting leave up to now has been pure optimism! Wish I could share it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 05:25 PM

Sure. And why not organise a military coup while you're at it?
has keith got any miltary experience?Ithought it was Teribus who had been in the army, although i am not sure what rank

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 05:28 PM

Indeed, SPB. They also seem to assume every one of the 17.4 million have exactly the same view and priorities that they personally have. For example, it is perfectly reasonable that some people who voted leave are prepared to pay more for more benefits, and others would rather lose some benefit if they paid less. That level of variation within the leave group would be normal on any vote. I see no sign it is ever recognised by leavers.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 06:08 PM

It was Nigel's suggested retreat from parliamentary democracy that I was referring to, Dick, not to anything Keith said. True Tory colours, of course. Parliament is so inconvenient to these Tories. Good job we have people like Gina Miller to rein them in.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:57 AM

Nigel. Neither Cameron not anyone could have immediately triggered article 50 as the court case proved. It had to be put to parliament and follow due parliamentary process. Quite right too. I would have thought that you as a brexiteer would be all for giving the UK government control!

But that was what I understood was to have happened. David Cameron's statement in Parliament: Prime Minister David Cameron yesterday set out the details of the UK-EU deal in the House of Commons. He argued that the referendum would be “a straight democratic decision… Having a second renegotiation followed by a second referendum is not on the ballot paper.” He went on to say that “If the British people vote to leave, there is only one way to bring that about, namely to trigger article 50 of the treaties and begin the process of exit, and the British people would rightly expect that to start straight away.” (from Here)
The court case didn't prove that Cameron would have been unable to do it. He would not have been bound by a court case which hadn't happened. It was only the delay in the process which allowed someone to bring that forward with an attempt to thwart Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 04:07 AM

From: Steve Shaw

It was Nigel's suggested retreat from parliamentary democracy that I was referring to, Dick, not to anything Keith said. True Tory colours, of course. Parliament is so inconvenient to these Tories. Good job we have people like Gina Miller to rein them in.

I made no such suggestion. The speech I quoted below makes clear what David Cameron stated in Parliament. There was a majority vote to hold the referendum.
The leave vote won the referendum.
Article 50 should then have been issued.

Anyone who believes that it should first have been voted on (again) by Parliament needs only to look at the result of the vote after the court case, an overwhelming vote to issue article 50. Do you believe that the vote, if held immediately after the referendum,(rather than later) could have gone any other way?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 04:23 AM

And why not organise a military coup while you're at it?

Military?
Why not just a popular revolt against a self interested and out of touch ruling establishment.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 05:01 AM

Has anyone thought about the costs of setting up and staffing UK only regulatory bodies - replicating the work of perfectly good europe-wide bodies. Where the money come from to pay the wages of the leeches who will work for the bodies. Definitely not the tax-payers, there are more important front line services to pay for. Oh, this magic money coming back fromthe EU? I see include it all in the NHS budget???? How will lack of harmonisation in future regulation be addressed, eg fisheries policy, environmental policy, consumer safety, etc, tax harmonisation (ie no one sate being allowed to offer preferential corporation tax rates to unfairly attract trade?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 05:22 AM

You have no grounds whatsoever for claiming that Gina Miller's successful attempt to maintain parliamentary democracy (at the expense of the exercising of a prerogative that the courts decided that May doesn't have) was an attempt to "thwart Brexit." That's just neurotic. Brexit is no sacred cow, we live in a democracy in which free speech is enjoyed and anyone who wants to is fully entitled to argue against brexit and ensure that proper procedure is being followed, right up to the last minute. It's amusing that people like you who bleat on about the referendum result being the democratic will of the people, etc., persist in arguing against that and in vilifying people such as Gina Miller (and those judges). Absolute rank hypocrisy. You have no counter-argument, that's your trouble, just a load of pie-in-the-sky, jam tomorrow, it'll be all right on the night pipe dreams about the post-brexit world. It's very troubling to you that we remainers won't keep conveniently quiet, and so it should be. Enjoy your insecurity. There are very good grounds for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 05:36 AM

The ruling establishment in Parliament agreed to let the people decide.
We did, but it did not suit them so they conspire to overturn the result.
I agree Steve, with the help of all the quislings Brexit may never happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 05:39 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 05:49 AM

Has anyone thought about the costs of setting up and staffing UK only regulatory bodies - replicating the work of perfectly good europe-wide bodies.

We pay more than our share of those EU bodies because we are one of the biggest contributors, so that will be another saving.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 05:55 AM

You have no grounds whatsoever for claiming that Gina Miller's successful attempt to maintain parliamentary democracy (at the expense of the exercising of a prerogative that the courts decided that May doesn't have) was an attempt to "thwart Brexit." That's just neurotic.
The Guardian ( a tabloid often quoted by Remainers) describes gina Miller as: "The anti-Brexit activist". You may see her as a pro-democracy activist, but others see her differently.

The Brexit is no sacred cow, we live in a democracy in which free speech is enjoyed and anyone who wants to is fully entitled to argue against brexit and ensure that proper procedure is being followed, right up to the last minute. It's amusing that people like you who bleat on about the referendum result being the democratic will of the people, etc., persist in arguing against that and in vilifying people such as Gina Miller (and those judges). Absolute rank hypocrisy. I have not Vilified Gina Miller, or the judges. You're in rant mode once again.

You have no counter-argument, that's your trouble, just a load of pie-in-the-sky, jam tomorrow, it'll be all right on the night pipe dreams about the post-brexit world. It's very troubling to you that we remainers won't keep conveniently quiet, and so it should be.
To have a 'counter-argument' requires an argument to be put forward first. What argument are you expecting me to counter?

Enjoy your insecurity. There are very good grounds for it.
I'm not insecure. You're the one imitating Chicken Little: "The sky is falling, the sky is falling"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 06:51 AM

So you think 10% (and I am being over generous as there are 28 states sharing the costs, with a percentage paying the same, close to or I think in one or two case more than the UK - I don't have time to dif up the contribution by member - and I have ballpark figure of only 6% of the member contributions being used for infrasteucture, expenses - the rest being for operational programmes, costs more than staffing and accommodating a regulatory body in its entirity, not forgetting the internal market charges across the civil service infrastructure. So lets see - I will be generous and pretend the rebate doesn't exists - 6% of £350m/week, to duplicate every regulatory body. Once UK picks up the tab for its own domestic versions of operational programmes, plus the promise of contributing towards the NHS I doubt if their will be anything left in the pot to cover this. The tax payer will be in for a shock I have no problem if the civil servants work for free, and pay for their overheads out of their own pockets. I suppose the government can chose to just crap on people who benefit from programmes that address area, regional, and individual deprivation. That's what people who vote Tory love doing most, ism't it? I don't think many people would take up the work offer, though? Maybe, the way round would be to employ the staff, make them redundant, and then make them work for free in the same jobs for their Universal Credit? That sounds a bit of a familiar scenario, doesn't it - remember the work programme?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 07:00 AM

It doesn't matter what the Guardian calls her. Her successful court case was not to do with "thwarting brexit" but was everything to do with ensuring that the prime minister did not assume powers that she was not entitled to assume. In that regard we could consider Gina Miller to be a damn sight more democratically-minded than an arrogant and weak prime minister who tried to sidestep parliamentary process. And the sky might not yet have fallen in but our economy is ailing, business confidence is low, productivity is flat-lining and the pound is almost a basket case. And, oh I nearly forgot, we have no brexit plan. We've fallen three-quarters of the way down the building. Some of us can see the ground coming at us rapidly whereas you are enjoying the puffy little clouds and the birdsong whilst whistling a merry tune. Enjoy. You haven't got long.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 07:40 AM

Yep, definitely Chicken Little:

It doesn't matter what the Guardian calls her. Her successful court case was not to do with "thwarting brexit" but was everything to do with ensuring that the prime minister did not assume powers that she was not entitled to assume. In that regard we could consider Gina Miller to be a damn sight more democratically-minded than an arrogant and weak prime minister who tried to sidestep parliamentary process. And the sky might not yet have fallen in but our economy is ailing, business confidence is low, productivity is flat-lining and the pound is almost a basket case. And, oh I nearly forgot, we have no brexit plan. We've fallen three-quarters of the way down the building. Some of us can see the ground coming at us rapidly whereas you are enjoying the puffy little clouds and the birdsong whilst whistling a merry tune. Enjoy. You haven't got long.

"Productivity is flatlining: UK productivity grows strongly but still lags behind Europe (Telegraph 7.May)
"economy is ailing": UK economic growth bounces back (Guardian 4 July 2018)
"we have no brexit plan": We have no agreed and published Brexit plan.

Again, a post containing many of Steve Shaw's beliefs, but a little short on anything to back them up.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 08:20 AM

You can't win,, Steve. Any gloomy predictions require proof while all that is required for sweetness and light is blind optimism and fairy dust.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM

Any gloomy predictions require proof
I'm not requesting 'proof' just a source (other than the thoughts of Steve Shaw).
My optimism about Brexit can only have any proof once Brexit has actually happened. I don't need to prove that I am optimistic, I can state it as first hand knowledge.
I'm so sorry that these concepts are so difficult to understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 08:50 AM

From Nigel's first link:

British businesses need to up their game and be more productive or risk losing out as the country leaves the European Union, industry bosses have warned. Productivity in the UK grew by 0.9pc and 0.7pc in the final two quarters of 2017, the strongest growth since 2011.

But, the UK’s output per hour is still around a quarter behind competitors like France and Germany, meaning it takes British workers five days to produce what others achieve in four.

“The UK has a long way to go in order to catch up with our European neighbours,” said Tony Danker, chief executive of Be the Business, an industry-led organisation created to help close the UK’s productivity gap.

“With less than a year to go before we leave the EU, bosses must start now to make the most of the opportunities it presents and make Britain’s economy the most competitive in Europe.”

From Nigel's second link:

But companies reiterated that Brexit-related uncertainty had held back investment, affecting spending by large companies in particular."

Amusing to see someone making links that actually undermine his own arguments!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 09:01 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 08:50 AM

From Nigel's first link:

British businesses need to up their game and be more productive or risk losing out as the country leaves the European Union, industry bosses have warned. Productivity in the UK grew by 0.9pc and 0.7pc in the final two quarters of 2017, the strongest growth since 2011.

This related to your statement that productivity was 'flatlining', which I think most would understand to mean zero-growth (a flat line on a graph or heartbeat monitor)
"Flatlining" is not a relative term, decided by reference to other member states.

Now we have Chicken Little trying to be Humpty Dumpty. "When I use a word it means what I intend it to mean"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 09:12 AM

Productivity will of course only begin to drop when we lose access to the productive EU immigrant workforce.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 10:30 AM

My optimism about Brexit can only have any proof once Brexit has actually happened. I don't need to prove that I am optimistic, I can state it as first hand knowledge.
I'm so sorry that these concepts are so difficult to understand.

My pessimism about Brexit is founded on the plethora of economic and business studies that predict things will be grim. I don't need to prove that I am pessimistic, I can state it as first hand knowledge and have good reason to be so.
I'm so sorry that these concepts are so difficult to understand.

Now stop being so patronising and give us something to offset the pessimism. Other than a blind belief that things will be better.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 11:27 AM

"Now stop being so patronising and give us something to offset the pessimism. Other than a blind belief that things will be better."

They have nothing to offer, other than 'blind belief'. Bamboozled and blinded by a bunch of self-serving liars working on behalf of the tiny, immensely wealthy minority who are the only ones certain to benefit from Brexit, and especially from a 'hard' Brexit.

So stupid, they either don't know, or don't have the cojones to confess, how stupid they were, so they continue defending that which the level-headed, clear thinkers amongst us know is indefensible.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 11:35 AM

"they continue defending that which the level-headed, clear thinkers amongst us know is indefensible."

I do enjoy a good laugh now and again!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 11:47 AM

Yes, laugh it up while you can, mutton-head. You'll have a very long time to wonder WTF you were thinking of when you voted Leave.