BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 04:25 AM

Ah, OK, so instead of singing to the EU hymn sheet we will now be singing to Trumps hymn sheet. This is better in what way?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 04:19 AM

Don't let the EU dictate Brexit if you want a speedy US trade deal, Trump adviser warns UK

Today's news.
Obviously other papers will put a completely different spin on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 11:39 AM

Regardless of predictions we are going out of the EU, it is in the interests of everyone, remoaners included, to make sure that we are not robbed and blackmailed by the EU negotiating team.
You will be unable to reverse the referendum result, or retain "Free Movement" so we will never be allowed associate membership of any description.

Now, try to act like adults and stop these stupid attempts to shoot yourselves in the foot....in spite.

"I'll Squeam and Squeam and Squeam......said the spoilt little girl"

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 11:06 AM

I understand it perfectly, thank you, hence the injunction to Stanron to be patient. The next time you're gratuitously rude I'm going to start calling you Nige. Now knock it off, Nige. There, another broken remoaner promise.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 11:01 AM

From: Stanron - PM
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 10:04 AM
Remind us of some of the other Remainer Predictions. How did that one of immediate and immense job losses go?

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 10:37 AM
Be patient, Stanron. It's coming, believe me (you won't, but hey).

What part of "immediate" don't you understand.
Remainers promised an immediate crash in the jobs market, an immediate emergency budget, a 60bn black hole in the finances (which didn't appear so they want us to pay the money to the EU instead)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 10:37 AM

Be patient, Stanron. It's coming, believe me (you won't, but hey).

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stanron
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 10:04 AM

Remind us of some of the other Remainer Predictions. How did that one of immediate and immense job losses go?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 08:22 AM

"Surely one of the reasons we are leaving the EU is to allow us to trade more easily with other countries."

Streuth.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 07:04 AM

I did put a link Nigel when I first posted about the article. Since such times it has been studiously avoided.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:58 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:18 AM
None of the Brexiteers on here have made any comment about the possible ?930 increase in household costs per annum that has been forecast either.

Possibly because it's a non-story. A link might have helped, possibly this The Guardian
It talks of a possible rise, of up to 930 pounds.

This idea (which also give the possible cost as a range between 400 pounds & 930 pounds) seems to be based on:
Since WTO tariffs are highest for fresh food ? reaching 45% for dairy products and 37% for meat ? and much of this is currently imported from Europe, the team of economists predict an inflationary surge that could match that already inflicted by the falling pound. an assumption that we will continue sourcing our foodstuffs mainly from the EU.
Surely one of the reasons we are leaving the EU is to allow us to trade more easily with other countries.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:34 AM

Wigmore, Banks, Ashcroft and Dacre: All prominent Brexiteers who make extensive use of offshore tax havens for avoidance and would be targeted under the EU's Anti-Text Avoidance Directive.

What a coincidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:21 AM

Hey, Raggytash, the brexiteers have nobbled the pound sign! Do you reckon they secretly wanna join the Eurozone?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:19 AM

They won't. They're too busy looking for that ?350 million a week.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:18 AM

None of the Brexiteers on here have made any comment about the possible ?930 increase in household costs per annum that has been forecast either.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:14 AM

The most disturbing thing about Brexit is that nothing seems to be happening. The news is all about people who are already extremely rich cheating the taxman and, in the Queen's case, making extremely unethical investments, and MPs who grope women and find time to view extreme porn on their workplace computers, presumably with their pants round their ankles.


Maybe that's why nothing seems to be happening...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 05:48 AM

Yes, let's get back to Brexit. Apart from Iains, no Brexit has said yet on the thread whether they agree with the government these 58 impact studies should not be given to the select committee, or with one of the favourites for next Tory leader, Jacob Rees Mogg that they must be. It would be nice to get the views before the announcement expected today.


(And as for who is saying what, I used Hansard, not a newspaper)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 05:22 AM

"Mostly it is about giving "signals" and waiting for responses."

How would you know? Your interests lie elsewhere dear. It's not like copping off with a hairy guardian in St James' Park.


"Women do not operate in that way"

Aside from that, your posts on this subject are contemptible, arrogant and demonstrate an almost childlike lack of understanding but I wonder is perhaps deep-seated misogyny.

You are a deeply disturbing character Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 04:15 AM

Back to Brexit please gentlemen.

Views of Brexit

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:55 AM

The problem "D" is reading the signals properly....most people, men and women are egotistical enough to believe that in all cases another person is attracted to them purely on grounds of looks or personality.

I'm sure the lady did not openly offer you sex for advancement....that would be stupid and counter productive. Women do not operate in that way

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:51 AM

I think you have little understanding of anything, ake.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:44 AM

Left me speak as one who has been approached by a woman who offered sexual favours in the hope of promotion. Yes, it does happen both ways. And both are equally inappropriate as I made clear to her at the time. But that way round I had the power. Had she been my superior I have no idea what I would have done in terms of reporting and/or just putting up with harassment.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:26 AM

I think you have little understanding of the female psyche Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:22 AM

Truth always upsets the myth makers and myth carriers Dave.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:15 AM

That is probably the most sickening post I have ever seen on here about sexual harassment. You belong in the stone age, ake. It is little wonder to anyone with a modicum of empathy that your posts get deleted.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:00 AM

I think you have led a rather sheltered life Greg? Do you think that many women "enjoy" banter sexual and otherwise? Have you ever been in women's work environment? Hen nights etc?
Alcohol has the same effect on men and women, it banishes inhibitions.

Sexual banter is part of the mating game, but it is the responsibility of those who participate to draw whatever line is appropriate to them.
Regarding sex in the workplace, it can be used by both sexes, some to advance their careers, others to abuse their power.

Mostly it is about giving "signals" and waiting for responses.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 04:19 PM

sexual banter should be dealt with by those concerned.....some may enjoy it

Do ask tRUMP's and Weinstein's victims about that, Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 03:22 PM

I think Brexit and the US election were in many ways driven by a belief in a large section of the electorate that people were not being adequately represented by the political status quo

In plain English. People were pissed off with the knobheads representing them so they voted for knobheads that would take us to hell in a handcart. Sad thing is he is probably right. Even sadder, he believes this is a good thing. I really do despair at times and think these idiots get everything they deserve. Then I remember that we have to suffer it too and get angry because my children and grandchildren have to face the consequences of their selfish acts. Wankers.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 09:38 AM

"but normal sexual banter should be dealt with by those concerned...."

Oh aye, it's just banter and people are so touchy. I mean we all know you are still in the closet don't we love, but at least we can joke about it without you taking offence! Keep your pecker up! Oo-er!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 07:18 AM

Perhaps because your previous comment had sweet FA to do with Brexit except maybe in your imagination.

Back to the subject, yet another report today warning of possible job losses.

Broadcasting job losses?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 06:50 AM

It didn't even deserve the accolade "diatribe," Raggytash. It was complete nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 06:45 AM

"even you should be able to do that"   I can never understand that attitude, I have answered you civilly and don't think I deserve insults in return.

Do you never ponder on how snide remarks like that appear to other members? Especially coming from someone who prides himself on his egalitarian views?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 06:21 AM

Start your own thread then, it's quite easy, even you should be able to manage that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 06:16 AM

As I explained earlier Raggytash, I think Brexit and the US election were in many ways driven by a belief in a large section of the electorate that people were not being adequately represented by the political status quo and that power and personal responsibility had to be regained.
The system appeared to be dictating how society should be, through the established political Parties and a corrupt media which advocated an ever increasing "liberal" ideology, which encouraged the abdication of personal responsibility in favour of a criminal justice system not equipped to carry out the task.
A task which in most cases has fuck all to do with criminal justice and everything to do with a healthy society and personal responsibility in keeping oneself safe.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 06:00 AM

And just what has your latest diatribe have to do with Brexit?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 05:38 AM

Stu, you are too short sighted. I have always seen capitalism for what it is and studied it's "evolution".

To me Donal-John serves a useful purpose in opposing the establishment cartels of Party politicians and a corrupt media, he removes the blindfolds which in turn causes people to examine the political system, to think and question.
Circumstances alter cases and the much vaunted personal freedoms of the last few decades have thrown up many more problems than they have solved. Our abdication of personal responsibility ....for anything, has produced a society in meltdown.
The latest example is the sexual harassment furore, politicians have panicked and are demanding new legal codes for parliament and the workplace, the unforeseen problems being that when these "anti harassment" codes come into practice they will be used by the whole of society.....responsibility for sexual safety will be placed in the hands of an overworked and understaffed police force.....with nightmarish results for society.

People must be taught the value of personal responsibility, serious matters like rape or sexual assault should be taken immediately to the police, but normal sexual banter should be dealt with by those concerned.....some may enjoy it, some may be offended and can take it to a higher authority, but taking away responsibility and placing the burden on the police force amounts to a further weakening of society.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stu
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 04:46 AM

"both are to some extent a rebellion against thoroughly corrupt establishment cartels"

So you support a uber-capitalist of the worst stripe, who not only doesn't cater about the people but who disrespects them so much he has no hesitation in blatantly lying to them. What a wonderful world the alt-right are building. Brexit is a betrayal of the people. It's condemned our children to years of regressive economic policies, of having to whore our country out to despots and demagogues in order to make ends meet. Idiots.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 07:29 PM

Re-read above & then take it up with Ake, Boo.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:52 PM

Now, back to the UK & Brexit.

Right Greg, just like all your posts on the UK & Brexit 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 (pace Shaw)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:34 PM

As I said in the other thread, Ake, let me know when you've finished reading and absorbing that elementary U.S, history text. Blogs on the web don't count. Til then, I really don't have time for your ignorant shit.

Now, back to the UK & Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:20 PM

Before the election, the Electoral College was believed by most Democrats to be Mrs Clinton's "Trump Card".

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:17 PM

Additionally if it is indeed undemocratic, why has one of the previous Obama or Clinton administrations not had it removed from the statutes?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:16 PM

Read up on U.S. the history, Ake & then we casn talk.

'Til then, what other countries - other than The Holy Roman Empire- do you claim have an "Electoral College" like the U.S. example?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:11 PM

Don't know about the US Greg, but in the UK and most other countries the use of an EC is recognised as a democratisation of the electoral system for general elections.
In referendums, where one issue is put to the electorate the largest real number of votes wins democratically.

Are you trying to say that there is something unconstitutional in the US, EC?   Is it illegal, if not, why not?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 05:01 PM

An Electoral College is recognised as an aid to democracy.


Well, Ake, if you read the actual words of the U.S. founders (or an elementary U.S. history text)it is absolutely 100% clear and certain that the Electoral College was put in place precisely and purposefully as an ANTI-DEMOCRATIC measure.

The rest of your post is equally accurate.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 04:53 PM

"So now you're laughing at tRUMP, Ake? I thought you adored him!"

No Greg, most people here cannot understand why the winner of a democratic election, which in most countries with an Electoral College does not mean the most votes, is denigrated for having the effrontery to assume office.
An Electoral College is recognised as an aid to democracy.

In a way there are similarities between the Brexit result and the election of Donal-John......both are to some extent a rebellion against thoroughly corrupt establishment cartels, a large section of the electorate believe themselves to be without representation, they have been made obsolete and were about to be written out of history.
A bad career move for the political establishment!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 03:35 PM

"I could have sworn that deniers had something to do with the thickness of the nylon in ladies' stockings..."

OOOH Dear! You do have a multiplicity of problems, do you not???

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 03:28 PM

those less well financially able are going to get shafted. >

You think YOU got problems? Wait 'til tRUMP gets his "tax reform" passed!!   ;>)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 01:57 PM

Donuel, I know the subject of Russian influence is important to you, however here in the UK we are not as aware of said influence in our current Brexit negoitations.

Do me a favour and start a separate thread.

The trials and tribulations of our own government are quite enough to deal with.

We get report after report that basically indicate the same thing, that those less well financially able are going to get shafted.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 12:27 PM

Not everything is as it appears, especially in covert war.

England owes a great deal to the use of subterfuge, distraction and camouflage. i.e. Calais.

The West used to be covert Masters but Russia has weaponized social media to the point even I hold strangers suspect. To even mention the subject sounds paranoid and stupid.

180 million Facebook customers to covert Russian propaganda and argument lit fuse subjects is a big number.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 12:05 PM

The "deniers of democracy" in America won the popular vote by three million. The "deniers of democracy" here are trying to overcome the dereliction of democracy that a terrible referendum campaign visited on this country. And, oddly, we appear to be doing it democratically, by doing no more than exercising free speech peacefully. I wouldn't have it any other way. Would you, akenaton?

I could have sworn that deniers had something to do with the thickness of the nylon in ladies' stockings...