BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 12:45 PM

And now Trump says, according to the BBC website:

"A trade deal between the US and UK "will absolutely be possible", Donald Trump has said, hours after he told the Sun Theresa May's Brexit plan could kill an agreement.
...
He said: "I read reports where that won't be possible, but I believe after speaking with the prime minister's people and representatives and trade experts it will absolutely be possible".

So he thinks a deal is possible under the terms of the white paper.

Of course, that is only now. What he will think in a few hours time is anyone's guess.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 04:42 PM

hi your maj..
hello mr trump, i understand you are here to learn what you can gain from our country. our country of which we are of course very proud.
well... not really - i'm here to make amurca and me even greater and to tell you guys how to behave

yes, of course, well we thought so and to help you to do just that here are some very valued friends of ours - (you may already know ) -sir billy, our national treasure and my best friend jo brand and top tennis player andy murray.

hey... let me tell you ....i'm....

yes. mr trump that's all very well but billy has someone you would maybe like to meet.
hello you, crazy old orange man, i know this old guy who used to knw your maw. old ben, lives in a beach hut on the northern coast. he's keen to meet you.... he knows all about the stars and that and really what's important.
do i have to go?
yes, you do, you fanny, you may learn something....about life,burt lancaster, the importance of oil, the universe and your mum when she was young......
ok

tale that stupit tie aff

sorry that helicopter was a wee bit bumpy eh......but only a minor wee stroke - at the aberdeen royal infirmary we do several of these days every day. you 'll be here for a few days

i can afford it, nurse...? nurse... sorry i can't read, he slurred

the name's brand. nurse jo brand

no need - we paid for you already.could get expensive otherwise. here, answer me these questions

who's the PM?

boris johnson?

how many people are declared bankrupt by their inability to pay medical bills in the UK? germany? france? canada? Japan? etc?
hell,i don't know that shit...
it's 0,0, 0, 0, 0, etc sorry, how many people are bankrupted in your country?
hell, i don't know ...
643, 000
(well,i think that's what my wife told me this am -pete)

andy murray from dunblane is here to talk to you about guns and the school children in your country , mr trump.....mr trump? you ok?

obviously i'm just being a bit daft here but ffs surely our relationship with any country is a 2 way street. or in this case a one way street - we have nothing at all to learn from america and certainly not from donald trump. we should be sitting him down somewhere very quiet and getting people (like carolyn lucas eg) to give him a good talking to.

do you want to be the best president ever? it's peace, it's gun control it's a comprehensive health care system, tackling climate change and meeting peter tatchell. he's only an orangeman- even gerry adams could talk good sense into him. he may as well get something positive out of his visit. i don't awnt him down my local though

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 05:33 PM

An interesting fact: The moment Trump met the Queen the special prosecutor back in Washington announced 12 indictments of Russians who hacked US election process.

This is one of three 'shoes' to drop by the Justice Dept.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 06:34 PM

Have a butchers at Steve Bell's Guardian cartoon today (Friday, that is), Pete. It's Donald and Melania having tea with the Queen, Phil the Greek and a couple of corgis. You could cut the atmosphere with a knife...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: peteglasgow
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 01:40 AM

gary younge in the guardian - 'Neither Johnson nor Davis -nor any of the Brexiteers- have a plan that could actually work. Nothing that they promised was real, or true, or possible. Whether we remain or leave the EU, our sovereignty was always contingent on our presence within the global neoliberal system which operates according to the golden rule: those who have the gold make the rules. Both rhetorically and strategically, the Brexiteers have trapped themselves in the role of permanent defiance and disappointment. The world is not what they want it to be. In the absence of any strategy for bending it to their will, they would rather rail at it.

Yet however ridiculous they may now seem, however vain and pompous, they remain dangerous. For, as counterintuitive as it may appear, there is potency in this powerlessness. With sufficient encouragment the rage it creates, the frustration it engenders, the nostalgia it spawns - can have a disruptive effect on politics. We know this because we have seen it happen elsewhere with disastrous consequences. We know this because these were the forces that made possible the president with no moral authority, and the prime minister with no authority whatsoever.'

Discuss

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:30 AM

Pete, someone will be along shortly to tell you those are 'only opinions' with 'no basis in fact'.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:31 AM

"What did he say?
Did he insult her looks, or her posture?
Or did he comment on her policies?"
Whatever he said - he crawled away from it and apologised for saying it
A world first Nigel
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:03 AM

Incidentally Nigel
What Trump did do was to promote the 'leadership qualities' of a serious contender to The British Prime Minister - an interference in British politics comparable to the Russians planting dangerous chemicals in Salisbury - only on a national scale
I think he likes Brexit too
The two go together like a horse and carriage
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:37 AM

Of course he likes Brexit. He would love it if the EU fell apart altogether. Together we are strong enough to stand up to his economic aggression. Divided we have no chance of doing so.

In my opinion (Just in case anyone does not understand that :-) )

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 05:05 AM

gary younge in the guardian - 'Neither Johnson nor Davis -nor any of the Brexiteers- have a plan that could actually work.


Pete, someone will be along shortly to tell you those are 'only opinions' with 'no basis in fact'.

Yes. We already trade with the rest of the world under WTO regulations, and that works perfectly well. In fact it is thriving while our EU trade dwindles and is hugely in deficit anyway.
Anything beyond WTO is an added bonus.

David,
You really don't understand trade, do you Keith.

Easy accusation to make, but not to justify.
Quote something I got wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 05:37 AM

As Dominic Raab is now Brexit Secretary, it seems likely that "Britannia Unchained" represents his view of what post-Brexit life should look like. Has anyone here actually read it? I don't feel inclined to pay £13.75 for the Kindle edition, but have read the part you can see though the 'Look inside' options.

Has anyone here read it in its entirety? Or more of it than I could see?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 05:43 AM

Keith, in your post of 13th July, 12:33pm, you say:

"Our imports from the EU are five times greater in monetary value than our imports from the US.

That is bad trade then Steve."

No its not bad trade, because the imports are things we need and consumers want. Especially in a country with its own currency, a trade deficit is not bad, because it means that we get lots of nice things in exchange for currency which we can just create. And the reason that our imports from the EU are five times greater than those from the US is that the goods produced by the EU are more desirable. Tariffs have little to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 05:58 AM

And Keith, in your last post you say:

"In fact it is thriving while our EU trade dwindles"

Which is nonsense, UK trade with the EU is increasing, and in 2017 was the highest it has ever been:

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7851#fullreport

The EU share of UK trade has declined as other countries such as China, India, Brazil etc. have developed. But in absolute terms it is growing, indeed thriving, not dwindling.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 06:12 AM

That's a perfect example of "How to Lie With Statistics" you have found there, David. You are quite right. But how easily people are fooled, or fool themselves, by not appreciating that percentage share, change compared to a previous period and absolute numbers all give only a partial picture, and that picking the metric that best suits your case is so widespread.

The absolute figures, as you used, are the least misleading.

One of the things "Britannia Unchained" argues for is that people should do 'hard' degrees like mathematics and physical sciences, and of course a good understanding of mathematics would help avoid that confusion.

It seems a shame, then that the authors had these degrees themselves:

Dominic Raab - Law
Kwasi Kwarteng - classics and history
Priti Patel - Economics
Chris Skidmore - Modern History
Elizabeth Truss - Philosophy, Politics and Economics

(They did include Law as one of the hard degrees, but I didn't get as far as reading a rationale for that. And presumably the economics had some mathematical content, but it may not - there are some discursive forms)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 07:06 AM

"Which is nonsense, UK trade with the EU is increasing, and in 2017 was the highest it has ever been:"

In this present discussion trade is a two way street and is a somewhat perfidious term, if attempting to make a point. The crux of the matter is the balance of payments and their short term and long term trends. Defining increasing decreasing trade defines nowt. The figures for imports and exports need to be considered and whether they positive or negative and for how long.
"The share of UK exports going to the EU has declined gradually over recent years. In 2006, the EU accounted for 55% of UK exports. By 2017, this had fallen to 45%. The picture on imports is slightly less clear. In 2002, 58% of UK imports were from the EU. By 2010, this had fallen to 51% but has increased slightly more recently, reaching 54% in 2016. Over time both imports and exports to the UKfrom the EU have dropped.Also these figures pay no account for the rotterdam effect of being an entrepot port for certain British exports.(BRIEFING PAPER
Number 7851, 4 July 2018 House of Commons)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 07:20 AM

The fact is that our trade with the EU is vastly more important right now to our economy than our trade with the US. It will remain so indefinitely. Imports five times greater, exports two and a half times greater. So those people who laud the idea of a no-deal brexit, then in the next breath tell us what a great deal we can do with the US, are, frankly, verging on the insane. The best thing by a country mile for this country is to have the best deal possible with the EU. That means being in the single market and customs union. We will still trade with the US in goods they want from us and that we want from them, just as we do now. What this country can't afford is a far more difficult trading environment with easily our biggest trading partner for the foreseeable future, which brexit will ensure. Ditching a good arrangement with our best and closest trading partner in return for a doubtful deal, if any at all, with a much smaller player in trading terms, forcing a drop in our standards while we're at it, is just madness. Drop the crowing, brexiteering hubris, have a good think about that and get real.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 07:35 AM

Steve we have a balance of payments deficit with the EU and have had for years.Any punishment the fools try and impose on the UK will hurt them far more.The value of the trade deficit was about £60 billion in the 12 months to September 2016. The UK imported £302 billion worth of goods and services from the EU, and exported £242 billion worth, according to the Office for National Statistics.
The EU behave as though they hold all the cards, perhaps they need reminding of the worth of a busted flush!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 08:33 AM

In the 1970s the balance of payments was considered an important metric, but in the era of a floating currency much less so. If the balance of payments is negative, that means that British people have more shiny things to but, and they don't have to make them. If you want the balance of payments to be positive, stop British people buying stuff. But you won't be popular. The US runs a massive deficit on its balance of payments and has since the 1970s. It hasn't impacted upon the value of the dollar.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 08:41 AM

So how is leaving the EU going to improve our balance of payments deficit globally? Any more red herrings?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 09:34 AM

"It hasn't impacted upon the value of the dollar." YET!
It is only trust and hegemony supporting the dollar. Neither have to last for ever. Russia, China, Iran for a start would love to use any currency but the dollar for world trade. Should that happen, the US dollar would likely take a hit to kick it clean into touch. Any currency has similar vulnerabilities when international trade is permanently in deficit.
As you state currencies float. This means they can also drown. Many are no longer backed by gold. If not backed by something tangible, what else supports them? Nearly 50 years on trust alone and Fort KNox merely a name-how much longer can the game continue?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 09:57 AM

David,

No its not bad trade, because the imports are things we need and consumers want. Especially in a country with its own currency, a trade deficit is not bad, because it means that we get lots of nice things in exchange for currency which we can just create.

A trade deficit is a drain on a nation's wealth.

And the reason that our imports from the EU are five times greater than those from the US is that the goods produced by the EU are more desirable. Tariffs have little to do with it.

You are just making facts up. If EU goods were better they would not need tariff barriers to protect them.


Which is nonsense, UK trade with the EU is increasing, and in 2017 was the highest it has ever been:

Everything increases because of growth and inflation. As you well know the point is that it is dwindling as a proportion of our total trade which should not need spelling out.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 10:53 AM

"A trade deficit is a drain on a nation's wealth. "

No it isn't, the wealth of the nation increases by the value of the goods received.

"You are just making facts up. If EU goods were better they would not need tariff barriers to protect them."

Largely there aren't, and if they are they are a small proportion of the value. Consumers do not choose entirely on price, they largely choose on quality.

"As you well know the point is that it is dwindling as a proportion of our total trade which should not need spelling out."

As I well know that isn't the point at all. The point is that the absolute value is increasing. Unless you are prepared to accept that point this conversation is over. You are just misusing statistics to spread a lie, a tactic used by scumbags like Farage, and bought into by poorly educated people. Which you are not, you should not be fooled, and I suspect you are not, but you are deliberately propagating the brexiters' lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 12:34 PM

"No it isn't, the wealth of the nation increases by the value of the goods received"

Not if debt is attached. Short term borrowing may fuel growth. Long term borrowings means a country becomes a consumer. It will have to go into debt to pay for consumption instead of investing in future growth.

An analogy would be buying a house with an interest only mortgage. One day the capital must be repaid. This is a basic economic fact -    apparently not understood by many.
Is not devaluation one of the few steps available to counter a large payment deficit? Why else do it?

Persistent deficits are not uncommon today, with the United States and many other nations running persistent imbalances year after year. Economic theory, however, states that ongoing deficits are unsustainable in the long run and can lead to dangerous levels of debt which can cripple an economy.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 01:04 PM

David, what would be my motive for lying about this? It is nauseatingly elitist to proclaim that everyone who believes in Brexit is ignorant or lying.

Facts are open to interpretation, but I have only stated facts.

If an economic unit buys more than it sells, i.e. spends more than it earns, however "nice" and "shiny" the things it buys it will go broke.

Our EU trade is heavily in deficit. Our world trade is not. In proportion (OK now?) our EU trade is dwindling while other trade is growing.

The point of EU tariffs is to protect EU producers from foreign competition. Outside EU we could buy like for like cheaper.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:03 PM

Trade deficits do not impinge on the nation's economy as long as the deficit with one partner is countered by a surplus with another. I have a trade deficit with my local pub. I spend £50 a week there but the landlord never buys anything off me. I am not likely to go bankrupt because of this because I get income and elsewhere. Talks of trade deficits with the EU taken in isolation are yet another example of statistical manipulation.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:08 PM

I have raised this several times before but there is quite an obsession here about tariffs. When Trump was saying a deal was not possible it was nothing to do with tariffs. Nor, when he changed his view was it about tariffs.

It was and is regulation that is the primary stumbling block. Juat talking tariffs the whole time is completely missing the main issue.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:26 PM

Here's Jake Rich-Mong's ideas about 'Post Brexit Life in the UK - for Nigel's benefit this is not 'just my opinion', but factual reporting by one of our responsible and trustworthy newspapers, The Independent....welcome to Teribus's proudly proclaimed 'Promised Land'!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:27 PM

"Outside EU we could buy like for like cheaper."

Unlikely. For a start EU regulations guarantee quality, hygiene and environmental standards.

DMcG says that regulation is a bigger stumbling block that tariffs, and this is right. And those regulations work in our favour as consumers, they mean that we are not being fed the kind of shit that the US agricultural industry would force on us.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:29 PM

"Trade deficits do not impinge on the nation's economy as long as the deficit with one partner is countered by a surplus with another."

They don't even impinge upon the nation's economy even if it isn't. Because the supply of money is not fixed.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:36 PM

"Talks of trade deficits with the EU taken in isolation are yet another example of statistical manipulation."
The thread had kind of drifted away from EU/UK to a more general thesis
that the wealth of the nation increases by the value of the goods received and counters to that idea. A trade deficit is only meaningful when considering total imports/exports. No One is going to argue with that! The only point of raising deficits in terms of UK/EU trade is to indicate that in monetary terms the EU risks more than the UK should negotiations fail, £302 billion/£242 billion in the last recorded year.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:44 PM

And, as we repeatly say, the EU risks are not just financial, but also social and political. So to behave as if all the matters is the money is to delude oneself. While the money is important, obviously, it is only one aspect, and a financial loss to the EU that preserves their other interests may be quite acceptable to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:18 PM

"And, as we repeatly say, the EU risks are not just financial, but also social and political"
Yes indeed:
Greece
Cypriot haircuts
Catalonia
To say nothing of a major falling out over uncontrolled immigration
Merkel hanging in on a wing and a prayer
Macron despised by his countrymen
To name but a few problems within the EU

The promised land of milk and honey is becoming a tad curdled, and the honey turned out to be a myth.
Better off out I suggest.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:19 PM

David Carter, Can I suggest to you that you are wasting your time.

Hoops, hoops and ever more hoops.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:51 PM

DMcG, We choose the standards we will accept. We import chicken from the Far-East already. It meets EU standards but we have to charge a tariff.

Dave,
Talks of trade deficits with the EU taken in isolation are yet another example of statistical manipulation.

I did not take it in isolation. EU trade is a drain us. Non-EU trade is enriching us. Increasing the good trade and reducing the bad will make us more prosperous.

Unlikely. For a start EU regulations guarantee quality, hygiene and environmental standards.

We will continue to guarantee standards. We can even raise them if we choose because it will be decided by us not Brussels. Do you think UK incapable of setting standards for ourselves?

David,
They don't even impinge upon the nation's economy even if it isn't. Because the supply of money is not fixed.

How does that work David? Just borrow more when it runs out?

DMcG,
And, as we repeatly say, the EU risks are not just financial, but also social and political. So to behave as if all the matters is the money is to delude oneself. While the money is important, obviously, it is only one aspect, and a financial loss to the EU that preserves their other interests may be quite acceptable to them.

We are already aligned with them socially and politically. So far money is all they have wanted to talk about.

Rag, no-one has to do what you tell them. The rest of us are discussing the issues. Will you join in or just keep giving "suggestions" to people.?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:00 PM

Raggy, you are right, it isn't worth it. The very idea that being able to buy French wine and cheese, Spanish and Italian cured meats, Polish sausage, German cars, Dutch and Belgian fruit and vegetables is a drain is laughable beyond comprehension. Just completely bonkers.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:16 PM

"We will continue to guarantee standards. We can even raise them if we choose because it will be decided by us not Brussels. Do you think UK incapable of setting standards for ourselves?"

As you seem to have missed it the first time or, more likely, you're ignoring it because it doesn't fit your agenda, I'll repost the link to Jacob Ress-Moggs vision regarding the degree to which we will be able to lower standards after the insanity of BrexShit...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:39 AM

I'll repost the link to Jacob Ress-Moggs vision regarding the degree to which we will be able to lower standards after the insanity of BrexShit...

And you can also read how Dominic Raab - the Brexit Secretary, lest we forget - wants to lower employment and welfare standards (like pensions, for example) - in his ideal world, in his book "Britannia Unchained"

His views on funding the NHS are also worth considering.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:39 AM

I thought I'd linked to a piece about Demonic (sic) Raab and his plans for impoverishing the vast majority of the nation. A very scary man, and a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

When I read about these leading movers and shakers in the Brexit debacle, I'm at a complete loss to understand the excitement, enthusiasm and unconcealed joy, of our Brexit-supporters on here. It's very obvious that life in the UK won't be, by any means, a bed of roses for any of us when "Weev taken are cuntry back". 'Politico-Economic Masochists' is about the only phrase I'm able to rustle-up to describe them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:55 AM

You did post some comments, Backwoodsman, but I don't think there was a link. But in any case, we can imagine the response 'quoted out of context', 'a biased summary', 'reviewer has their own agenda'.

Which is why I recommend reading the book he wrote. But do what I have done and order a copy from the library - no point paying him for the privilege of reading his ideals.


In Chapter 4, entitled ‘Work Ethic’, we explore the nature of the work ethic in South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong and contrast this to that found in Britain. We ask ourselves, ‘What is it about these countries that makes them so dynamic?’ In this chapter we look at the way in which the state has made Britons idle. Our culture of instant gratification ignores the years of persistence that lie behind real success. Too many people in Britain, we argue, prefer a lie-in to hard work.


....


But changing Britain’s fortunes needs a relentless energy and determined focus. Vitally we will need to be tougher in taking on vested interests. These occur in lots of guises, through bureaucratic inertia, and many of the perks which a generous welfare state lavished on previous generations. We have to ensure that the general climate for business is attractive. This means that we should stop indulging in irrelevant debates about sharing the pie between manufacturing and services, the north and the south, women and men. Instead, we should focus on trying to make it easier for firms to recruit people and ensuring the tax burden is less onerous.

"Easier to recruit people" is elaborated later into hire-and-fire policies, reduced rights like paid holidays, longer hours ...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:03 AM

What really makes me smile is that, far from 'taking back control', the Leave voters have handed complete control to a bunch of people whose only interest in ordinary people is as a source of wealth for the already-immensely-wealthy - the (in)famous 'Upward Flow of Wealth'. Which, of course, is the true reason for Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:46 AM

MAINTAINING BRITISH STANDARDS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 04:19 AM

Hoops, hoops and ever more hoops.

A stunning contribution to the discussion. I do not know why the flyweight laddie bothers. One day he might actually contribute something of note.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:06 AM

THeresa May has just appeared on television sneering at Trump's suggestion that she should sue the E.U.

Meanwhile, back at the Pig Farm, the Government's Minister for Small Businesses and personal adviser to the P.M. has been forced to resign for sending over 20,000 sexual texts to 2 women
Comforting to know the British economy is in such responsible hands
What goes on BEHIND CABINET DOORS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM

David,
The very idea that being able to buy French wine and cheese, Spanish and Italian cured meats, Polish sausage, German cars, Dutch and Belgian fruit and vegetables is a drain is laughable beyond comprehension.

Then something is lacking in your comprehension David. We buy their stuff but they do not want ours, so we need to sell our stuff elsewhere. Non-EU countries already buy lots of our stuff and will by more when we can offer them free trade.

BWM, must you put so much "shit" in your posts. It is unpleasant and must deter people from expressing a view you may not hold.
the degree to which we will be able to lower standards after the insanity of BrexShit…
We can raise, lower or maintain them because we will be in control not Brussels. No-one wants lower standards.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:58 AM

"they do not want ours,"
/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-map-shows-which-eu-countries-buy-the-most-british-stuff-a7185746.html

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:04 AM

Thanks Jim, but the fact remains we have a big trade deficit with EU, but a nice trade surplus with US and with the rest of the world despite not being able to offer them free trade yet.

Luckily our non EU trade is already increasing while EU trade is shrinking as a proportion of our trade (OK David?)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:08 AM

"What really makes me smile is that, far from 'taking back control...."

Perhaps we should!

http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/the-truth-about-britains-migrant-numbers/
Based on what we eat, one big supermarket chain reckons there are 80 million people living in the UK.

and A major, non-commercial agricultural institution reckoned at the time that there were 77 million people in the UK. Again, its reckoning was based on what was being eaten.

I wonder what the true figures are?
How many slid in on Labour's watch and did not leave?

Cue the usual nonsense from the usual remainiacs about the source not the content!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:12 AM

Sunday Times today,
"In an interview with the Sunday Times Magazine, New Zealander Crawford Falconer said “the world is begging for the UK to be able to trade with” and that opportunities from new trade deals were “enormous” after Brexit.
Falconer said the EU “travels as fast as the slowest carriage in the train” and Britain can now “move faster and further with our trading partners”. But he also warned that Brexit would require a “change of mindset within the business community” to focus on markets outside the EU."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/world-begging-for-deals-with-us-says-uk-trade-chief-7qd7qpcbx

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:13 AM

Who wants 5900?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:20 AM

" We can raise, lower or maintain them because we will be in control not Brussels. No-one wants lower standards."

Jake Rich-Mong (conceivably a future PM) and Demonic Raab both want to lower them.