BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 07:45 AM

The wheels on the bus go round and round........................

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 08:17 AM

"The wheels on the bus go round and round........................"
No more Iaians
This moron is on his own unless you care to join him
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 08:25 AM

I'd still be interested to hear from any Brexit supporters if you think Davis' responses to the select committee show we are well prepared for any consequences of leaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 09:43 AM

Nice easy to use site here

Brexit Lies

It has been just pointed out to me that 18 months ago Brexit seemed a bad idea. Now that has been confirmed. By the time the leave date comes round it will be seem as good an idea as putting your wedding tackle in a food processor.

Of the 51% who voted to leave there will always be the die-hard racists and little Englanders but I suspect the others have now realised how much shit they were fed and will be clutching their head in their hands wondering what on earth they have let us all in for.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 10:10 AM

I suspect the others have now realised how much shit they were fed and will be clutching their head in their hands wondering what on earth they have let us all in for.

Polls show otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 12:42 PM

Official transcript of Davis' meeting with the select committee.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Dec 17 - 04:15 PM

The sheer, feeble-minded stupidity of BrexShit supporters becomes more and more ludicrous, as they giggle inanely, stick their fingers in their ears, sing "La-la-la", and dream of the imminent arrival of the unicorns, whilst the truth of the shambolic fuck-up being presided over by a bunch of incompetent liars passes straight over their gormless heads.

Now we have the debacle of the charlatan Davies lying in his teeth to Parliament, and seemingly getting away with it.

You really couldn't make this crock of shit story up, could you?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 03:57 AM

I said all along that there was no requirement for a hard border across Ireland, and I have been proved right.
All you remainers were sceptical, but you have all been proved wrong, as ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:46 AM

That is not quite what we argued, Keith. It was that a hard border was incompatable with the other government objectives of allowing different regulations on both sides of the border. Which is why Farage is saying "This ia not Brexit",

Anyway, let's not quibble. I this this agreement has a lot of political fudge in it that is going to come back to bite us, but it is a good step forward.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:55 AM

Now for the hard bit...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:01 AM

I think you will find that the EU, the Irish Government and the UK Government have ALL said that they did not want a "hard border"

Together with EVERY poster on here.

This statement is merely a step on the way to achieving that end.

The Devil will be in the detail of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:23 AM

One interesting question for residency is that EU partners can come if they are in a "durable relationship" which as far as I can see is not well defined. People who have decided simply to live together rather than marry/civil partnership/etc would be well advised to think carefully.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:23 AM

"and I have been proved right."
More I win - you lose again Keith
Mindless
Among yopur other arguments has been that Ireland should make the sacrifices on behalf af a Brexit Britain
It is Brexit that has raised the threat of a hrd border and it is the DUP who have produced a stalemate by making demands that increase the threat of closed borders and direct rule from London
The Border question is yet another of the many fuck-ups caused by Brexiters as is the threat of a break-up of the United Kingdom as a unit.
Anybody holding such views is out of their mind if they claim to have won anything
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:31 AM

Jim,
Among yopur other arguments has been that Ireland should make the sacrifices on behalf af a Brexit Britain

It never was. Still busy making up shit Jim.

it is the DUP who have produced a stalemate

What stalemate Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:57 AM

It never was. Still busy making up shit Jim.
You actually said Ireland has less to lose over the Brors and should bend to the will of Brexit
You did it while you were equally idiotically claiming that Europe was acting out of spite
"What stalemate Jim?"
There is no deal yet and it remains to be seen if there will be one that will suit all
Your be-sashed and and bowler-hatted sectarian friends have brought that situation about and the longer they attempt to hold us to ransom, the more it costs the taxpayer and the higher risk of a return to bloodshed.
Go and find a triumphal sectarian march and stop nausing up a serious discussion
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 07:16 AM

A rather astounding letter from The Times this morning, considering who the writer is, which implies that the Brexit Secretary, David Davis lied when he claimed that no overall assessment of the effects of Brexit had been carried out.
Would you buy a used car from these people!!!
Jim Carroll

Brexit assessments
Sir, David Davis, the Brexit secretary, told the House of Commons that the government has made no overall assessment of the effect of Brexit on the UK economy. We know that nearly 60 sectoral appraisals have been concluded, that they are too damaging to publish and yet are asked to believe that no summary exists. The Office for Budget Responsibility can apparently advise the chancellor to lower growth assumptions with no analysis of the Brexit consequences. The chancellor accepts the advice and lowers growth in his budget without the Treasury attempting to scrutinise the calculations behind the advice. Does the British government so fear the conclusions that it has refused to explore them or does the government actually know the conclusions and thus decided to suppress them?
Lord Heseltine House of Lords

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 07:18 AM

I decided to do a tour of as many newspapers reports of this as I could.

I was especially entertained by "The Sun"'s report that the DUP had backed down ...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 07:29 AM

It's always interesting to get a different perspective on events.


Winners and Losers

I can live in hope that this may temper the triumphalism of some.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:18 AM

There is no deal yet and it remains to be seen if there will be one that will suit all

The current negotiations were agreed last night and the next set have not started yet, so what stale mate Jim?

You actually said Ireland has less to lose over the Brors and should bend to the will of Brexit

i am not sure what you mean, but I am sure I said nothing like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:29 AM

Rag,
I can live in hope that this may temper the triumphalism of some.

Triumphalism? I just said I was right that a hard border was not required.
How about some humility from all those proven wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:45 AM

Just who said I was referring to you. This site is not the KOAH road show. There are many other posters most of whom are far more interesting to converse with than yourself.

As for your last sentence can you show even ONE post from ANY poster who wanted a hard border or suggested that a hard border was inevitable.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 10:00 AM

I should correct myself I posted "There are many other posters most of whom are far more interesting to converse with than yourself"

I SOULD have posted "Every one of which is far more interesting to converse with than yourself"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 10:15 AM

'The current negotiations were agreed last night'
That's what I said Keith
What has been agreed is to move to the next stage - as the abominable Foster and her Unionist bigots have made clear "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed"
"am not sure what you mean"
I meant tow write "border", which is what you said
I have little doubt you will deny what you said, but quite frankly, have become bored arguming with a nutter who consistently lies at the same time as calling those who say things he disagrees with "liars" - not to mention someone who regards these discussions as a way to win prizes
Feel free
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 10:18 AM

"How about some humility from all those proven wrong?"
Who has ever said a hard border is required - it was the possibility of a hard Border and the untrustworthiness of a Prime Minister who was demanding a an agreement before a hard border was confirmed that ws the problem
See what I mean about lying?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 10:26 AM

"Dr Fox said: "We don't want there to be a hard border but the UK is going to be leaving the customs union and the single market""
Dr Fox said: "We don't want there to be a hard border but the UK is going to be leaving the customs union and the single market"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 11:58 AM

Rag,
As for your last sentence can you show even ONE post from ANY poster who wanted a hard border or suggested that a hard border was inevitable.

Yes. Here are some.

DMcG - PM
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 07:27 AM

?their astounding lack of concern for the border in Ireland

While I agree, and while I was appalled by the way Leadsom and others waved it away as a non-issue because we had had a semi-formal trade between Eire and Northern Ireland before joining the EU, I have to say those arguing to Remain didnt make as much of the problens either. It didnt take much thought to see how difficult this would be.

DMcG - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 04:57 AM

Just saying how we find each other comical is not advancing the arguments much.

Andrew Marr was questioning John McDonnell on NI border, so it seems to be seeping in this might be an issue.

The BBC reported:

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Mr Coveney (Eire Foreign Minister) added: "We simply don't see how we can avoid border infrastructure.

"Once standards change it creates differences between the two jurisdictions and a different rule book.

"When you have a different rule book you are starting to go down the route of having to have checks."

====

Since the UK assurance they don't want a hard border is clearly not enough to satisfy Eire, what else do Iains, Stanron, Nigel and others think we need to do to assess the border issue?

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 06:34 AM

Border infrastructure (what a great way of putting it!) is unavoidable unless Ireland is allowed by the EU to be a special case and to break EU rules

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 07:12 AM

I suppose a mini-Schengen for movement of people would be achievable, but the movement across the border of goods is a minefield. Every car would have to have its boot checked (trunk, yanks). Either there's full border controls or Ireland has to be allowed to be a special case. Can't see it somehow.

DMcG - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 07:23 AM

Either there's full border controls or Ireland has to be allowed to be a special case.
Or Northern Ireland has to be a special case.

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 07:43 AM

But making Northern Ireland a special case would automatically mean making the Republic a special case, wouldn't it? It would still mean someone on the EU side sidestepping the border controls with non-EU states that the other 27 (or 26) have to abide by.

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 01:56 PM

We threw the spanner in the works by voting to leave. The current border arrangement can't work because it will in future be between an EU and a non-EU country

DMcG - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 05:47 AM

... so i will post it tonight if the conversation hasnt moved on too much. But in summary i made the point that it was possible, but not whether it was desirable. However I believe the issues you raise will still be there even if we start trade talks immediately and that the only solution will be a hard border.

DMcG - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 08:43 AM

I don't doubt Teresa May does not want a hard border. But no-one has come up with a plausible alternative. So if we follow Liam Fox or allow the talks to collapse, we will end up with a hard border, I predict. "Wanting" is nothing like enough.

im Carroll - PM
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 11:09 AM

"it wasn't me calling people plebs, "
Didn't believe you did for a minute Steve, but Keith appears to believe you did and thanks that your view makes a point he is unable to make otherwise (any port in a sinking ship - to mix metaphors)
"We do not need a visible border and UK will not make one."
Whose word do we have for that and what's their track record on getting things right and keeping promises - would you buy a used car from them or be happy if your sister married one??
These people are lying crooks

DMcG - PM
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 03:19 AM

ITV reports mps think hard border inevitable


As do sky news and others.

Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 05:57 AM

So there are three possibilities:

1. A hard border (there are currently over two hundred crossing points)

2. We stay in the customs union

3. The EU allows a fudge

teve Shaw - PM
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 06:55 AM

An invisible border would be the very epitome of an EU fudge. Well get that if we stay in the customs union. Otherwise it would be a fudge. An unlikely one, I'd say.

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 02 Dec 17 - 12:40 PM

"If it is closed, it will not be by UK."
The Border will be closed because of Brexit
Why should part of Britain have rights no other non-member has?

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 07:18 AM

"Yes, and none of them require border posts."
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR ******* MIND?

DMcG - PM
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 09:22 AM

I don't think the signatories believe they are achievable by any negotiation, Keith, and not the day (or perhaps the fortnight) before an agreed position has to be announced. It seems to be more about positioning than actually achieving anything more concrete.

For example if Ireland/the EU needs to be convinced that there is some mechanism for harmonised regulation across the border to prevent a hard border I would be astonished if they could agree to no regulations after 2019 having an effect.   The same is true for EU residents in the UK and the role of the ECJ.

So this all 'hard Brexit', so in effect no agreement. Which does require a hard border, in most people's opinion, though I accept you don't think so.

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 03 Dec 17 - 03:08 PM

"Jim, anyone that Ireland allows to enter is welcome to enter UK.
UK will not be stopping anyone at the border.
We do not want or need a hard border."
Don't be stupd again Keith
People who wish to stay in Britain wll be granted four weeks to do so, people seeking to work there will need to acquire a work permit
The point of Brexit was to keep foreigners out - now you are claiming that the Government lied and people are free to work there as long as they enter via Ireland - how stupid can you get?
That has what has been destroyed by Brexit and the opposite is the case
Unless the million plus Brits live in Europe
I ask again and will continue to do so until you respond (because I new fully enjoy watching you humiliate yourself
is little Britain going to be happy to see Europeans entering their country via Ireland, as you are proposing?
Jim Carroll

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 03:55 AM

"UK has stated it will not stop any EU people coming and staying as long as they want. yes"
You are mad!!!!
The Irish live and work in Britain because of a 'special arrangement' agreed to in 1922
The idea that European will b able to continue to enter Britain via Ireland after Brexit goes against very promise of those campaigning to leave
May's statement says that the aim is to limit foreign workers by limiting the flow from Europe as well as elsewhere
"a system of permits will limit the number of working migrants under the Home Office proposals."
Theresa May said on July 31 that it was ?wrong? to suggest free movement of people will ?continue as it is now? after March 2019.
After this date, EU workers moving to the UK will have to register until a permanent post-Brexit immigration policy is put in place.
In September, a leaked Home Office paper revealed the UK plans to cap the number of low-skilled EU migrants - confirming an end to free movement after Brexit.
Freedom of movement allows EU citizens to live and work in and in certain circumstances access the welfare system of any other EU country.
The government document, dated August 2017, spells out dramatic plans to slash the number of Europeans entering Britain.
Bosses may also be forced to recruit British workers first before looking overseas.
And ministers may restrict new work permits to occupations where there is a shortage of workers
"No border posts"
The border checks for Europeans coming in will be exactly the same as those in Europe restricting non member citizens - after Brexit the Brits in Europe will be subject to the same restrictions.
Tou are making things up
Until you and Iains start responding honestly to the situation hyou are just haunting this thread like smelly farts
What the fuck do you think all the argument about the Irish border is about if a Little Brit like you can just declare it is not needed
Jim Carroll

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 05:10 AM

"Jim, migrants come to work here and receive help if not working."
Britain is claiming special privileges from Europe not granted to non-members when we leave, yet you are suggestion that should not be reciprocated towards Europeans wishing to lve in Britain
You're as mad as a bag of frogs Keith
To confirm that insanity, you are saying that the demands by Europe by the Irish Government and the DUP that there should be no closed border - either inland or on the coast, are not necessary because the British would be quite happy for Polish painters to use Ireland as an entry point to Britain rather than Heathrow
I reckon that Little Englanders like you should be forced to wear bells around their necks to warn the rest of us that you are in the vicinity!

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 05 Dec 17 - 11:44 AM

Still no comment on the actual situation of Brexit
Yaeterday's negotiations failed because an extremist sectarian party with terrorist links, who was apparently informed of Britain's intentions in advance of their being discussed with the EU representatives, phoned the PM and told her she no longer had their support in the negotiations.
THey have announced that the Northern Counties withdrawal from Europe must be exactly the same as that of Britain in order to ensure that it remains part of the UK
This more or less scuppers any hope of an open border between North and South.

DMcG - PM
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:46 AM

That is not quite what we argued, Keith. It was that a hard border was incompatable with the other government objectives of allowing different regulations on both sides of the border.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 12:11 PM

What on earth was that about Keith?
THe Government have over-ridden the idea of a hard border because they had no alternative if they wished to proceed to the next stage
Ukip - whoops Dup have said that they will case supporting the Government if the fainal deal is not to their liking
You have accused the Republic of leaking the news, you have made the DUP the victims
The deal agreed hs been a compromise which still stands to be blocked by the DUP should they not get what they want
You have refused to to condemn their behaviour in blocking the prepared deal
The rest is totally irrelevant
Whast the *** have you "won" now?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 12:20 PM

I will only comment on my posts in that Keith, but if you read the whole of the bits you extracted you will see that in most cases I said a hard border is inevitable IF you want to have different regulations to the EU. I accept I did not say that every single time I posted because I believed it to be obvious from the other posts I had made. Apparently not.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 02:20 PM

It is quite amusing in its way how the Leave.eu pages are fulminating that the deal is a betrayal of Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 03:38 PM

Not a single one of your cut and pastes suggest that anyone, the EU, the Irish Government, the UK Government or any poster here wants (or wanted) a hard border, not a single one.

Try again.

Now, whats Dave's Mantra ...... different .........

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stanron
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 03:49 PM

DMcG wrote: It is quite amusing in its way how the Leave.eu pages are fulminating that the deal is a betrayal of Brexit.

Does this contain a typo or is it supposed to make sense as it is? Some sort of explanation would be appreciated.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 04:26 PM

DMcG wrote: It is quite amusing in its way how the Leave.eu pages are fulminating that the deal is a betrayal of Brexit.

Does this contain a typo or is it supposed to make sense as it is? Some sort of explanation would be appreciated

It is very unusual, I know, but I don't think it does contain a typo. Almost all of my posts do, but that one seems to have been spared.

It does, I admit, have a gloss that I wrote 'the Leave.eu pages are fulminating' rather than 'the people who posted to the Leave.eu pages are fulminating' but that is quite conventional.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 05:37 PM

Can't see the problem as long as fulminate means express vehement protest, which is true.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 01:41 AM

Those of us who actually attended school, albeit 55years ago, and paid attention during English classes have no problem whatsoever with understanding DMcG's post.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 03:35 AM

Voters can use the next general election to have their say on a final Brexit deal, Michael Gove has said

That is an interesting statement to be making. It looks like breaking ranks on the matter of whether Friday's deal was a good one or not. And unless the election is before March 2019 it isn't actually true. We could, of course, try to agree changes, but that would require the EU to be willing, which is not in the voters gift. The agreement restricts the kind of changes that can be made, because of the Good Friday Agreement, so we can't just 'diverge' - it is much more restrictive than that.

Then it is really bad politics to make elections about a single issue when the reality is the people you elect have to deal with a large number of issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stanron
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 04:17 AM

Backwoodsman wrote: Those of us who actually attended school, albeit 55years ago, and paid attention during English classes have no problem whatsoever with understanding DMcG's post.

even the

'Leave.eu pages'

bit?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 05:40 AM

This is what I assumed DMcG was talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 05:45 AM

Rag,
Not a single one of your cut and pastes suggest that anyone, the EU, the Irish Government, the UK Government or any poster here wants (or wanted) a hard border, not a single one.

Not what I said Rag.
They all state that a hard border is inevitable for Brexit, which is all I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 06:04 AM

The Irish certainly didn't want a hard Border and nobody has suggested they did
British politicians didn't care one way or another, they never have
All the Brexiters wanted was to get out at any cost; the Border never became an issue until circumstances made is one
If a hard border had not been a possibility nobody woulde have bothered raising it
The Irish were well aware that if it had been necessary, Irish interests would be sacrificed - it's happened before - a lot
It was the Brits who created a border in the first place, using the threat of war - "sign in three days or else"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 07:12 AM

All bollocks Jim.
You have got none of that right.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 08:25 AM

I asked who, if anyone, wanted a hard border.

You've changed your tune from when you posted "Yes. Here are some"

Do you actually try and recall the things you have already posted?

Try comprehending DtG's mantra ......... different etc

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 10:28 AM

A leave.eu example

Leave.EU is a trading name, by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 10:58 AM

I asked who, if anyone, wanted a hard border.

No-one did, and I never claimed it.

This is what I said,

Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 08 Dec 17 - 09:29 AM

Rag,
I can live in hope that this may temper the triumphalism of some.

Triumphalism? I just said I was right that a hard border was not required.
How about some humility from all those proven wrong?



You've changed your tune from when you posted "Yes. Here are some"

I was saying, "here are some posts claiming a hard border was inevitable for Brexit."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 11:22 AM

DMcG - my link was to the web-page, but it appears to be the same organisation.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 11:36 AM

Yes it is the same people, Backwoodsman. Yoi need to follow a good few links from the main page to gwt to the venom, so I thought i'd go more directly.

I've explained already that 'inevitable' (and almost eveey word) has an assumed context. No one anywhere thought it inevitable if Brexit was called off completely, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 12:16 PM

No one has been proved wrong idiot because no one person said a hard border should happen.

You are just moving the goalposts around as you usually do when you've lost an argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 12:44 PM

"You have got none of that right."
"He was, however, present on the afternoon of 5 December, when Lloyd George gave the Irish delegates a powerful ultimatum. They must sign the treaty in its existing form - including the provisos for partition and allegiance to the Crown - or else quit and face a new war. After a few hours? consideration they agreed to sign, accepting the deal as the best available in the circumstances, and did so in the early hours of the next day."
From Lloyd George and Churchill (Rivals for Greatness"
Richard Toye (p 224) MacMillan 2007
The caption on the front reads "Admirably nuanced and just" Max Hastings, Sunday Times, so it must be true
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 01:48 PM

Oh, one more thing professor. Kindly do not PM me as I have no desire whatsoever to communicate privately with you.

If you are reluctant, or perhaps afraid, to post it on here I do not wish to receive it.

Is that CLEAR .......... No PM's to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 03:03 PM

Hmm. Could be wrong but I seem to recall you saying that no-one wanted a hard border except for the EU and Dublin, Keith...

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Dec 17 - 07:08 PM

I repeat my recent comment on the Damian Green thread....

Don't. Feed. The. Troll.