BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 May 18 - 05:28 AM

"Do I detect some double standards here?"
You most certainly do not Nigel
"Little Englander" is a term that originated in England to describe a mindset - it even had its own sitcom
There are comparable descriptions of Irish, Scots Welsh.... that do9 the same - nothing todo with race
Now if I applied it to all English people you may have a point, THOUGH SOMETIMES....!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 18 - 05:20 AM

Clearly responding to even a sensible comment from you, Keith is not to be advised. You did read the sentence immediately after the one you copied about violence, didn't you?

With regret, it looks like avoiding responding to you will need to be extended to include even your more reasonable comments for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 May 18 - 05:10 AM

I know I only gave a partial quote Nigel, that is why unlike some people I provided a link to the article.

Whichever way you cut it though, direct investment in the UK has still dropped by a dramatic amount.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 May 18 - 05:04 AM

Jacob Rees Mogg has said Now Then Ireland is just as much part of the UK as Somerset

That is a fact, but only until they get their 1% vote.

Then Joe Public may not think about NI from one day to the next, but has a strong emotional attachment to "The United Kingdom': it is part of their fundamental identity.

Rubbish. People on the mainland would be dancing in the streets if NI went.

But it would not do to underestimate the difficulties of getting there. To begin with, there was plenty of loyalist violence before, so there would be a significant risk to that breaking out again.

That would be an internal Irish problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 18 - 05:00 AM

Autotext troubles again: Northern Ireland, of course, not Now Then Ireland. The other errors are a bit more tolerable.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:57 AM

From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:29 AM
Something else for you to chew on Iains. Direct Foreign investment into the UK has dropped by 90% in the last year, ninety percent!

You only give a partial quote from your source. The drop is compared with a bumper year in 2016.
It also appears to be a reduction in new investment. So the totals invested are rising more slowly.

The collapse in company registrations mirrors the reluctance of foreign companies to invest in the UK either by building new factories or buying UK businesses. OECD figures show that foreign direct investment into the UK tumbled in 2017 by 90% following a bumper year in 2016.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:56 AM

The idea of a united Ireland is not crazy in itself, so I will respond to that one. It may well be that in the longer term that is the solution. But it would not do to underestimate the difficulties of getting there. To begin with, there was plenty of loyalist violence before, so there would be a significant risk to that breaking out again. Nor would it be just an EU problem. Loyalist bombs on the UK mainland would not be unthinkable.

Then there is the politics. May would not want to go done in history as the PM who dismantled the Union, (especially as head of the Conservative and Unionist party, remember). It would also incentivise Scottish independence. Jacob Rees Mogg has said Now Then Ireland is just as much part of the UK as Somerset, so he is not likely to be keen on your idea either.

Then Joe Public may not think about NI from one day to the next, but has a strong emotional attachment to "The United Kingdom': it is part of their fundamental identity.

Next add in all the international implications. To take a trivial cases I need to apply for some visas shortly. The rules those other countries have set talk about the UK. At the least, it will take some time for them to get around to changing that to individual countries, or what other revisions might be needed.

All in all, it sounds like the whole Brexit approach to me: let's go for something without thinking about the possibl3 consequences. It may be we believe the pain is worth it. All well and good, but let's have thought out the pain first before we a t.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:53 AM

From Rag's piece,
"The prospect of a no-deal exit and a hard border would play to Sinn Féin’s political aims of a united Ireland, with 53% of Catholics in favour if this was the outcome of the Brexit negotiations."

SPB,
Also there is the other issue that to allow one part of the UK to become part of ROI, without extending the same right to the rest of the UK would be discriminatory.

No. It was agreed years ago that if the North voted by at least one percent to unite, it would happen. Other parts of the UK can vote for independence, but there is no other part showing any interest in joining Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:44 AM

If it was jointly voted upon by NI and ROI it would be achievable, but for it to be passed in NI alone something would have to be done about the number of unionists. Also there is the other issue that to allow one part of the UK to become part of ROI, without extending the same right to the rest of the UK would be discriminatory.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:39 AM

This is well evidenced by seeing the same old names cropping up in all the threads that the moderators get fed up with.

That is quite true, Iains, but do you include yourself and those that agree with you in that statement? Or is it, as usual, all the other parties fault and you have nothing to do with it? It takes two to tango and you need to ask yourself if your often belligerent attitude has anything to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:33 AM

It has been reported today that support for the Leave vote has fallen dramatically in Northern Ireland from 44% Leave to 31% Leave.


The obvious solution, and the one that most in mainland Britain would choose, is for NI to join with Eire in a united Ireland within EU.

It only requires a 1% majority vote. Why does Sinn Fein not seize this opportunity?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:29 AM

Something else for you to chew on Iains. Direct Foreign investment into the UK has dropped by 90% in the last year, ninety percent!

The blame for this has been laid firmly at the door of Brexit.


Dramatic fall in Investment

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:22 AM

Three responses. Sadly no new tricks!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:21 AM

As a rule of thumb, I would say claiming the moral high ground is itself evidence of the lack of a more substantial argument.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:12 AM

It has been reported today that support for the Leave vote has fallen dramatically in Northern Ireland from 44% Leave to 31% Leave.


Leave support Northern Ireland

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 May 18 - 04:03 AM

Just to give you a lead Iains, does the "moral highground" take into account the "victory" was achieved in part by the lies told, does it also take into account that the "victory" was also achieved in part on a racist ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 May 18 - 03:58 AM

"I think the brexiteers undoubtedly have the moral highground and we won the referendum."

Well Iains, yes you did "win" the referendum, no question about that but moral highground?

How on earth do you justify that statement?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 21 May 18 - 03:45 AM

I think the brexiteers undoubtedly have the moral highground and we won the referendum. Reality sticks in the craw of the remainers. We see the same puerile reaction as displayed by those that could not, and will not, accept that Trump won the Presidency. They have no sensible counter arguments so resort to insults and bigotry. A tactic merely to close threads. This is well evidenced by seeing the same old names cropping up in all the threads that the moderators get fed up with.

Time the old dogs learnt a few new tricks!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 May 18 - 03:30 AM

From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:44 AM

"Still applying the term racist indiscriminately I see. "
Racism is what it is - cultural and racial hatred - it has no place on a debating forum and when it appears I have no hesitation in raising the issue
The world is fucked up enough as it is without letting this evil philosophy pollute a place where people are actually talking to each other
Racism is certainly a part of any discussion on Brexit - it's what persuaded enough people to indulge in that unbelievable act of SELF-HARM
Now our tame Eireophobe spreads extends it to here
Enough really is enough

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From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 18 - 07:05 AM

When will these little englander morons realise that the world (or Irreland0 is not going to fall flat on it's arse to acommodate Britain's stupidity and bigotry

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Do I detect some double standards here?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 18 - 08:02 AM

RE Jim's Irish Times piece, no real objection was made to solution 4.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 May 18 - 07:10 AM

BREXIT, GOOD NEWS !!!!!


Good News

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 May 18 - 07:10 AM

BREXIT, GOOD NEWS !!!!!


Good News

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 18 - 06:32 AM

The theory in Ireland at present is that Britain will ram-raid its way out of Europe leaving devastation in its wake
Doesn't leave much hope for the Peace Process and relations with the rest of the world
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 May 18 - 06:04 AM

Very true DMcG, sadly after almost two years no-one in the UK Government has arrived at one.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:57 AM

Agreed, Raggytash. That article sets out clearly the issues. As you say it is six months or so old, but the problems were the same before the referendum vote and are still the same today, as long as you rephrase the last one as "defer taking a decision in the hope some bright idea strikes you eventually."

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:44 AM

"Still applying the term racist indiscriminately I see. "
Racism is what it is - cultural and racial hatred - it has no place on a debating forum and when it appears I have no hesitation in raising the issue
The world is fucked up enough as it is without letting this evil philosophy pollute a place where people are actually talking to each other
Racism is certainly a part of any discussion on Brexit - it's what persuaded enough people to indulge in that unbelievable act of SELF-HARM
Now our tame Eireophobe spreads extends it to here
Enough really is enough
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:35 AM

I should add that since the article was published, some six months ago, little if any progress has been made.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:22 AM

Very interesting link in your last post Jim, the one to the Irish Times.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 18 - 04:54 AM

Jim, just more name calling and personal abuse.
Nothing on the issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 20 May 18 - 04:37 AM

Still applying the term racist indiscriminately I see. Trying to close yet another thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 18 - 04:25 AM

Just done a quick search that it can take 5 days or more for parcels from outside EU to be delivered,and they can be subject to customs duty.

Therefore, in my view, and as tory voters are selfish gits, it won't happens:

(1) Aggregate duties levied on goods orginating, including goods, services and supply-chain components, be charged through an increas ein the higher rate of income tax

(2) That an automoatic compensation scheme be set up for each hour goods are held up in customs checks, again paid for by increasing higher rate income tax.

(3) If customs checks are required for EU goods, that they take absolute priorirty, and no goods from outside EU are cleared through customs until everything from EU has been processed, even if it means the delivery takes months/years

Anyway, this is just my personal rant, because our government are to incompetent to gauranatee that leaving will have a zero impact on decent peoples lives and livelihood.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 18 - 04:12 AM

THE STALEMATE THAT IS BREXIT

Keith
It really is time you got to grips with your racial inferiority complex and stopped using this forum as a hate platform
Save your hatred of the Irish for the 'Glorious Twelfth' - only two months to go
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 May 18 - 03:36 AM

Jim, the quote was from Wiki which provides sources for the statement.
Link provided (twice.)

When the situation calls for them Keith

The situation in a discussion like this never calls for name calling and abuse.

Decent folks who disagree with you and your group are deterred from contributing because they do not want to be subjected to it.
That is how your group have come to dominate debate here.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 18 - 03:13 PM

When the situation calls for them Keith - in your case they are quite often inadequate
"The burgers came from 6 plants in Ireland and 3 plants in the UK."
Nobody knows where the meat came from nor what it was and it predates the horsemeat scandal as far back is the MacDonalds "Scabby Kangaroo" affair which infected the whole planet
Take your racist shite somewhere else -
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:24 PM

Do we need to call each other names like "moron" and "twat" Jim?
Why do you find it so hard to just discuss the issues without getting personal and abusive?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:21 PM

Rest assured Jim, the O ............ O.............. "s were nowt to do with thee!!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:20 PM

Jim,
"2012.11.30. The burgers came from 6 plants in Ireland and 3 plants in the UK. The products which tested positive for equine DNA came from 2 plants in Ireland and one in the UK.
2012-12-07 Irish authorities become aware of the adulteration in ABP Food Group burgers with 29% horse meat content"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal#UK_Investigations



That was the first finding of contaminated beef products. Soon it was found from elsewhere in EU

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:12 PM

"or you'll be in Friday Detention."
See you there baccy
I still get a buzz humiliating the twat
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 May 18 - 12:45 PM

Jim - write out 100 times, 'I will not feed the troll'. Hand it in to me in the morning, or you'll be in Friday Detention.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 18 - 12:39 PM

Course you didn't Keith - somebody else wrote "the horsemeat scandal started in Eire and spread to 13 EU"
Or that "started" and "the source" doesn't mean the same thing maybe
Or maybe you only said it because "an expert" told you it was true !!!
Why else would you link the horse-meat scandal to the border

Ireland will, quire rightly, veto any Brexit deal that involves a closed border and Fosters Fanatics will not sign up to anything that involves a border between the Six Counties and the Mainland
Add to all this the revolt of the Rednecks in the Tory party who won't agree to sfa
What a bleedin' mess eh - like watching cage-fighting
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 12:14 PM

Yes Rag.
He meant Ireland not Oreland.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 May 18 - 12:00 PM

O ..................O..........................O .............!!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 11:37 AM

Jim,
Can we assume that you are not going to withdraw the claim that |Oreland was not the source of the horse-meat scandal

I did not claim that it was or was not.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 11:28 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_horse_meat_scandal#UK_Investigations

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 18 - 11:27 AM

Can we assume that you are not going to withdraw the claim that |Oreland was not the source of the horse-meat scandal
Rhetorical question - 'course you're ****** not
Feckin Little Engenders - who'd have 'em ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 11:26 AM

The point I have been making along is that they exploit the difference.

There will not be significant differences on food regulations when we leave.
We already import food from outside EU, where there are big differences, without problems.

We have a food inspection regime which looks at food regardless of its origin, but not at the borders. You have raised an issue which has not bearing on borders or Brexit.
It had nothing to do with membership of EU or border controls.

Wiki,
"In the UK, a House of Commons Select Committee on Environment, Food and Rural Affairs report on the horse meat incident was not critical of UK or Irish producers. It expressed concern that horsemeat contamination was the result of fraud and other criminal activity across the EU. Chair of the Committee Anne McIntosh MP said: “The evidence suggests a complex network of companies trading in and mislabeling beef or beef products which is fraudulent and illegal.”[10][11]
The second major UK report on the horse meat incident was conducted by Professor Chris Elliott, the Director of the Institute for Global Food Security at Queen's University Belfast. In his independent report he argues that food crime was at the heart of the horse meat incident: and made a range of suggestions for how this could be tackled. “Industry, government and enforcement agencies should, as a precautionary principle, always put the needs of consumers above all other considerations, and this means giving food safety and food crime prevention – i.e. the deterrence of dishonest behavior – absolute priority over other objectives."

Nothing to do with membership of EU or border controls.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 May 18 - 11:13 AM

Sorry, Keith, but that is it for the moment. No one imagined the criminals abide by the regulations. The point I have been making along is that they exploit the difference.

So I am afraid until you start listening I will have to join the ignorers. But I will talk again, whether I agree with you or not, when show some attempt to understand other people's remarks. There is no requirement to agree with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 18 - 09:54 AM

DMcG,
I cannot believe you do not see that if they have different regulations the situation is different.

The criminals who supply illegal foodstuff do not adhere to regulations.
They had no problem moving the stuff through EU soft internal borders.
That is not how they were uncovered.

If we keep a soft border, there is no difference.
If EU imposes a hard border, it will still make no difference because the border posts will not carry out checks on the actual food, just the paperwork.

The border is utterly irrelevant to that crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 19 May 18 - 08:42 AM

I should have been clearer, Raggy. I meant I did not want to get into ignoring people, but that that it is being made very difficult to do otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 18 - 07:05 AM

When will these little englander morons realise that the world (or Irreland0 is not going to fall flat on it's arse to acommodate Britain's stupidity and bigotry
The horsemet scandle dis not "start in Ireland" by the way - Ireland was the first to discover horse-meat is supermarket products and make them known
Feckin flag-wagging moron
"The 2013 horse meat scandal was a scandal in Europe in which foods advertised as containing beef were found to contain undeclared or improperly declared horse meat – as much as 100% of the meat content in some cases.[1] A smaller number of products also contained other undeclared meats, such as pork.[2] The issue came to light on 15 January 2013, when it was reported that horse DNA had been discovered in frozen beefburgers sold in several Irish and British supermarkets.[3]"
Jim carroll