BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 02:12 PM

The financial services sector is potentially the biggest brexit disaster of all, Raggytash. I wonder why we haven't heard much about it....as yet....

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 02:10 PM

"He was just being groomed for future use."

Well Keith, we know how you love to do comedy in these threads, but this one truly takes the biscuit.


Bwahahahahaha!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:58 PM

The hidden side of Brexit is already happening. The following report indicates that 21 Financial Institutions, including JP Morgam, Barclays, Bank of America and Standard & Poors have already located some of their work to Ireland.

Further companies may follow suit.

Link

These may be the tip of the iceberg.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:48 PM

"He was just being groomed for future use."

Interesting statement. In order to make it, one would assume some detailed knowledge of the facts.

If made without further knowledge I suggest it could be considered libelous.

I am inclined to forward this the Labour Party legal team in order that they make use of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:21 PM

So, 10% of French farms are "on the brink of bankruptcy" with a combined debt of a billion Euros.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:06 PM

The free market in action!

https://www.thelocal.fr/20150727/french-farmers-block-routes-from-spain-germany

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 01:02 PM

Yeah well - a cut 'n paste from wiki seems to be as high as the bar gets for you Iains
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:59 PM

the Tory scumbag who accused Jezza of cavorting with Czech "spies."

He did cavort with a Czeck spy. He had at least one meeting.
The apology was for suggesting he sold secrets, for which there is no evidence and which Jezza did not have access to anyway.
He was just being groomed for future use.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:56 PM

For the sour scouser.
Many royal courts throughout English royal history employed entertainers and most had professional fools, sometimes called licensed fools. Entertainment included music, storytelling, and physical comedy. It has also been suggested they performed acrobatics and juggling.

Henry VIII of England employed a jester named Will Sommers.

During the reigns of Elizabeth I and James I of England, William Shakespeare wrote his plays and performed with his theatre company the Lord Chamberlain's Men (later called the King's Men). Clowns and jesters were featured in Shakespeare's plays, and the company's expert on jesting was Robert Armin, author of the book Fooled upon Foole. In Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, Feste the jester is described as "wise enough to play the fool".

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:51 PM

" I'm questioning my own sanity." Some of us have questioned it for a considerable period of time.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 08:29 AM

Just this minute witnessed the ludicrous spectacle of a remainer Tory, Anna Soubry, taking a LABOUR politician (John Mann, a troglodytic throwback if ever there was one) to task over the mythology of an EU immigration problem. He's up for a customs union but not for the single market, because he thinks that would be selling out the people who voted leave who would then have to "endure" free movement (of those people who keep our NHS on the road, clean our hotels, keep our restaurants afloat, pick our crops in freezing fields and wipe old people's bottoms at four in the morning). That immigration problem. In other words, he'd rather play politics than advocate solutions that are plainly in the interests of this country. And that's two bloody Tories I've praised in two days. I'm questioning my own sanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 08:13 AM

You appear to have retreated from your defence of this monster and are now throwing up a diversionary smokescreen to cover your retreat Iains - a bit obvious
Typos and red herrings - you really are not very good at this, are you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:55 AM

It was an imitation of Woody Guthrie, in fact. More of a homage to the great man, I'd say. How the refugee Okies were viewed: busted, disgusted, can't be trusted. It's there in the Library Of Congress recordings, made with Alan Lomax. Could add "drunk" to the beginning, as per Billy Ray Charles, but it's a bit early for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:28 AM

Is that drivelling fact, fiction, or whimsy perchance?
A very bad imitation of monty python there shaw. But to be a sucessful imitator requires a certain level of intelligence, doncha think.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:50 AM

You've managed to shed every last vestige of what was left of your dignity by clinging ridiculously to this silly yarn, Iains. Don't think for a single second that refusing to let it go is going to restore your reputation. It's just making you look foolish. It's done and dusted, busted, can't be trusted. Gone. In the past, except in the eyes of desperado right-wingers. And it has nothing to do with brexit, but do carry on. Tomorrow is going to be far more interesting. Raise your game.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:35 AM

I see jimmy has a playmate.


https://www.rt.com/uk/419673-corbyn-media-rant-spy/

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:03 AM

"It is not over until the fat lady sings"
Long the cry of the defeated
It was a non starter put into motion by a extremist right wing conspiracy theorist and grasped by right wing politicians who are worried that their careers will be interrupted by someone who might just introduce principles into British politics
Back in 1988 the Beeb produced one of the best political dramas it ever commissioned, A VERY BRITISH COUP
Talk about a glimpse into the future - that future has been with us for some time now
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 05:15 AM

Keep up. The fat lady has well and truly sung. And you've called people here a lot worse, haven't you? "Scumbag" is indeed not very nice. It wasn't meant to be. Should we delve back a bit to make a list of some of the names you've called Jeremy Corbyn as well as Diane? But at least "scumbag" doesn't mock the target's actual personal appearance. Move on. Wot Jezza sez tomorrow is far more crucial. There's plenty of pressure coming from within the Labour Party for a shift towards a policy of staying in the single market. It's been well said that he would then be leading a parliamentary majority in favour of it. I can see that as a way forward of mitigating the impending catastrophe.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 04:55 AM

"So, Iains, a grovelling apology and donation to charity from the Tory scumbag who accused Jezza of cavorting with Czech "spies." The legs have truly fallen off the story, haven't they, Iains? Just you and the Daily Mail now, is it?"

I hear no dulcet tones! As a well educated??? should know.
It is not over until the fat lady sings

Also someone that bleats about the use of the term abbacus or abbopotomus really should not talk about scumbags, unless of course it is a self description.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 04:46 AM

I think everyone gets the drift though. Apart from Keith....

You did not Dave.
You posted,
"Well, post brexit when said vino is subject to import tariffs I suspect our little trattoria will find Calafornian Zinfandel at 10p a bucket will make better financial sense"

You clearly had no idea what difference taiffs make to wine.
Californian and other non-EU wines would only be 10p a bottle cheaper if tariffs were removed, and EU wines only 10p dearer if tariffs were applied.

I am constantly astonished that you people can have such strong opinions on something you know nothing about.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 03:31 AM

Vince Cable, leader of the Liberal Democrats, said: "It looks logistically impossible for the Conservatives to get the statutory instruments resulting from their EU (Withdrawal) Bill through Parliament before their preferred Brexit date of March next year.

"The only way they would have a fighting chance would be to cancel Christmas and summer holidays for MPs. That might upset their backbenchers, but we'll oppose their shambolic Brexit wherever, whenever.


How amusing. So MPs are being challenged to say which is more important

- the role of Parliament and proper scrutiny of bills affecting every aspect of UK life.

Or

- their holidays.


I think we can guess the answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:39 PM

So, Iains, a grovelling apology and donation to charity from the Tory scumbag who accused Jezza of cavorting with Czech "spies." The legs have truly fallen off the story, haven't they, Iains? Just you and the Daily Mail now, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:35 PM

There are some very good Wines from America cousin McG, as well as some fine ale and food. I think everyone gets the drift though. Apart from Keith but that goes without saying :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:26 PM

"I like to see you do a bit of research jimmy."
Just as I like to see you humiliate yourself
All helps to clear the trolls
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:25 PM

I suppose we had best start getting used to huge burgers, cheese whiz and root beer as well

never!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 12:14 PM

Wine tariff, at 10p a bottle, is dwarfed by the duty charged here.
Will that 10p on a bottle change your drinking habits?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 11:25 AM

I suspect our little trattoria will find Calafornian Zinfandel at 10p a bucket will make better financial sense.

Well, if that happens I will simply pass on some comments from the Wines of the World course I went on a couple of years ago. The lecturer (who is French) thought there were some great American wines, but not from California. However, almost every state has vineyards. I have found some very pleasant bottles from Oregon and Washington State, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:46 AM

Mrs G and I went to the local Italian eatery last night, Steve, and on your recommendation I had a large glass of Nero d'Avolo, their house red. Very good indeed and I shall bring what little pressure I can to bear on my employers to sell it at £5:-)

What has this to do with brexit I hear some ask. Well, post brexit when said vino is subject to import tariffs I suspect our little trattoria will find Calafornian Zinfandel at 10p a bucket will make better financial sense. I suppose we had best start getting used to huge burgers, cheese whiz and root beer as well.

Sigh

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:41 AM

DMcG, I doubt whether the EU will have the time to bother much with what the leader of the opposition

You are right about that, of course. But I would not be at all surprised if our press questioned the EU representatives for their view about whatever Corbyn says. They, as experience politicians, will deflect, but anything they say will be taken down and used in evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 10:12 AM

I like to see you do a bit of research jimmy.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:53 AM

Another bon mott verbatim "from Guido to the gullible, with love" Iains
No wonder you don't link this shit
Have you nothing to say for yourself, or would you rather just try to impress ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:50 AM

Apologies over the Corbyn spy stories

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:17 AM

Just days before the referendum StrongerIn played their trump card. Airbus and Siemens publicly warned of the risk that they would leave Britain, if Britain left the EU. It was one of the most credible arguments of Project Fear from CEOs of respected giant industrial firms. Siemens, the bluechip German engineering giant, could go home. Airbus in particular, the champion and political symbol of multi-national cooperation, would probably come under pressure to re-trench. Britain’s multi-billion aerospace industry and engineering base would be at risk.

What actually happened? Siemens’ CEO Joe Kaeser soon announced after the vote he was “confident and optimistic” about the “big opportunities” in Brexit Britain:

    “There is no reason not to invest tomorrow, if there is a demand and a commitment from the customer. I am willing – and the company is willing to invest – further. There are more opportunities than risks for us.”

Yesterday brought the icing on the cake, Bloomberg revealed that the Airbus Chief Executive Officer Tom Enders has written to the Business Secretary Greg Clark promising the U.K. government that Airbus plans to retain its British operations “long into the future’’ – this from the most europhile of CEOs. Project Fear’s strongest cards turned out to be bluffs.

The same people who bluffed before now say if Brexit happens it will be a disaster for the economy. Ignore what they say and instead follow the money. Investment banks like Bank of America and Goldman Sachs are spending billions on new headquarters in London, europhile Bloomberg too. The Brexodus of big business is not happening, instead they are investing billions for the long term. Brexit is going to be great…

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 07:03 AM

In spite of efforts to exclude and ignore this fact brexit was sold on an anti immigration/refugee ticket with the intention that a post Brexit Britain (the subject of this discussion) would exclude more foreigners - that was the policy of Ukip and the arguments of the right - it was a racist "let's keep them out" sales pitch that won the votes for this shambolic policy that had sweet **** all else to recommend it.
The result of the referendum debased the British people as a whole when a large enough minority of the population to carry it through fell for the oldest political line in the book - "it isn't our fault we have ****** up your lives - blame those ******* foreigners, so help us get rid of them"
Had Post-war Britain adopted this policy when Nazism was on the rise there would be far less Jews on the planet today than there are - today we demand that refugees from wars Britain has helped to cause should be returned to the war-zones and watch silently as their drowned children are pulled out of the sea
Britain has been shamed by this squalid vote - that should feature in all discussions about Brexit
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:57 AM

The FACT is that the Communist Party is not a revolutionary outfit. Very checkable. Checking things before you post them has never been your strong point. And it looks like the legs have well and truly dropped off your spy yarn, by the way. Told you so. Anything else juicy in the Mail today, Iains?

DMcG, I doubt whether the EU will have the time to bother much with what the leader of the opposition says unless there's an election in the offing. What Jeremy has to do is (a) show leadership rather than apparent indecision and paralysis, (b) show that the party is distinct from the Tories on brexit, (c) show that he realises that his lukewarm attitude to the EU is looking more and more misplaced as these non-negotiations fail to progress, and decide to put the interests of the country first. At the very least, that means staying in the single market and THE customs union. "Control of our borders" has become an irrelevance, as we've seen net migration from the EU plummet and unfilled NHS jobs reach a hundred thousand - and the one thing we will never control is the number of people who leave, taking their skills with them. "Control of our laws" has always been a red herring as we agree fully with 97% of the thousands of EU laws, have played a big part in drawing them up and have the power of veto over major issues we don't like (such an EU army, which could never happen on our watch). It will take years or decades to strike deals with protectionist countries such as the US and China, and they will end up being not very good deals, and our financial services sector will be severely compromised. It's remarkable how many people on the left, mostly once hostile to the EU (me included) have seen the light about what's unquestionably best for this country and for Europe, that is, the UK having a strong and influential role within the EU, including helping to lead its reform.

Baroness Warsi, who is that rare beast, a passionate and honest Tory who I actually don't mind listening to (and about whom I've often wondered why she's a Tory at all), said on Any Questions last night (33 minutes in) that the political leaders in this country should get round a table, eschew all the lies that have been peddled by both sides and hammer out a policy that is in the interests of this country, not in the interests of any of their parties. I heartily agree with her and I hope that will happen. As I've said before, I do a lot of hoping on this. Any Questions is repeated at 1.10 today on Radio 4.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 06:56 AM

How do we feel about BINO?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:26 AM

The thread is Post Brexit life in the UK. In this context post does not mean something holding up a fence. Therefore all discussion is conjecture. With no facts, there is nothing to discuss, other than further conjecture.
Now did you know that grass is green? It can be both a crop and a weed. It is a clever little b*****r, is it not?

" child-like grasp of politics" Not only does he have that, but jimmy lives in a timewarp.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:14 AM

Should we have sent troops to fight Hezbollah, Iranian and Russian forces Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 05:07 AM

"No. They struggle to get a ceasefire for humanitarian aid, "
Stand by and let it happen, as they have from day one and then send charity from the taxpayer's money - yeah - that'll sort things out
Very noble
"Jim, Iains has been very clear that his only interest is manipulating you "
I'm aware of that Mac - no-one is really responding to the arguments on Brexit here - not even Nigel, who appears to have some degree of interest in the subject, so why not help them humiliate themselves by exposing their child-like grasp of politics
This thread has been treading water for some time now
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 04:39 AM

y, Assad, is in the process of slaughtering the occupants of a city, while our leaders stay silent

No. They struggle to get a ceasefire for humanitarian aid, but Russia blocks it at the Security Council.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 04:36 AM

Jim, Iains has been very clear that his only interest is manipulating you and others to divert this thread, and when you respond he sees that as success. He probably doesn't care a whit about the actual role of the Communist party; even if he does it is incidental to his purpose.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 04:26 AM

"The Communist Party of Britain aims to 'put Britain on the road to socialist revolution'."
At the beginning of the 1960s (around 1962) the British Communist Party adopted @The British Road to Socialism' as its policy, in doing so it eschewed and pretence of revolutionary aims that it ever had (if it ever had any)
It decided on a 'Parliamentary' plan of activity and concentrated all its work on locl and campaigning issues.
In doing so, it attrated the contempt of all genuine Left organisations and became a 'revisionist' group.
You only have to read 'The Morning Star' or 'Marxism Today' (if it still exists, to see wat a conventional party the C.P. has become
THis 'spying' nonsense is real Len Deighton or John Le Carre stuff - dreamed up for suppressing new ideas in a failing society
As far as openly praising the Soviet Union and China are concerned - the two were constantly at each others throats - they even went to war at one stage.
That both improved the lives of their people is beyond argument - they moved from being backward feudal dictatorships to being world leaders in a matter of decades
That people may be unhappy at the way they did that is a point of discussion, but no nation who poured burning petrol on peasants, as the U.S. did, or dropped atomic bombs on cities full of civilians, or slaughtered third World countries for oil, or propped up up murderous dictators while they imprisoned, raped and murdered their opponents.... as the West has been doing for nearly a century has left itself any room to condemn the actions of others
At present, Briain's ally, Assad, is in the process of slaughtering the occupants of a city, while our leaders stay silent and work their little balls off to keep refugees from the current slaughter from polluting our 'green and pleasant land'
Grow up Iains and stop reverting to stupid arguments that have helped keep us ignorant of what our leaders are doing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 03:47 AM

So let's talk about Corbyn and Labour and Brexit in a way that is relevant.

Rumour has it that his speech on Monday will declare Labour will seek 'A' customs union, but it cannot be 'THE' customs union.   This seems to me a crucial speech. He may back out and not say anything at all. After this build up, the Tories and Brexiteers would exploit the hell out of that, and it could dismay and lose a lot of his support.

Or, if he overdoes the distinction between 'A', and 'THE', he risks an immediate answer from the EU that this is still "cake and eat it", with a slightly different cake. "Agree where we want, differ where we want? How is that different to Teresa May's stance?" they may say. Again, I could see that being exploited to make a hard Brexit more likely. "You've tried everything else with no success so a complete break is the only option" will be the most pleasant thing they will say.

So the only winning position I see is for the EU response to be "We can take that as a negotiating position. Naturally we disagree, but we can work from there".

It will be a tough speech to pitch correctly.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 04:39 PM

You're quoting fiction. That's your problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 04:02 PM

Are we quoting fact. fiction or merely being whimsical Shaw? Unless you tell us there is not much point in paying any further attention to your nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 02:49 PM

"The Communist Party of Britain aims to 'put Britain on the road to socialist revolution'..."

No it doesn't, neither does it "openly praise" the Soviet Union or Maoist China. You are getting a little hysterical now, providing us with madman sources that, as ever, you haven't checked before posting.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM

"but instead are desperately attempting to return the refugees from Syria back into the war zones or are standing by watching drowned refugee children lifted out of the sea"

But if we and our allies quit starting totally illegal wars in the Middle East and Africa there would be no migrant problem.

A little accurate reporting would not go amiss either. We are still leaning on every word from the "white helmets". They were totally discredited years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 02:07 PM

EU will be presenting its position in March, even if UK still indecisive

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 01:45 PM

" instead of attempting to smear those doing the job the Tories are not"
Missed a bit
add - "but instead are desperately attempting to return the refugees from Syria back into the war zones or are standing by watching drowned refugee children lifted out of the sea"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 01:14 PM

More Guido Fawkes the fascist - you really are stuck for a buckety of shgit to throw over Labour
All parties of the left have joined to oppose the slaughter that is going on in Syria at present while the Tories remained unchanged in their silent support for Assad
Today's Communist party is a wishy-washy reformist party - probably on par with the left of the Liberers
Despite the wishes of Mayflowers - it remains as it always has been, a legal minority party
How about answering the fuck-ups of your Government instead of attempting to smear those doing the job the Tories are not
WE JUST SHRUG
Jim Carroll