BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Mar 18 - 05:02 AM

And still they're not facing the REAL reason for BrexShit...

Bugger all to do with 'imagrunts' (sic), or 'unelected beurocrats' (sic), or 'Taking Are Cuntry Back' (sic), and everything to do with tax-avoidance/evasion by the richest, most powerful people in our society. And feeble-minded Daily Fail, Scum, and Torygraph readers fell for the racist, xenophobic propaganda hook, line, and sinker.

May and her cohorts are doing as they're told by the Murdochs, Rothermeres, etc. of this world. Nothing more, nothing less.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 09:42 AM

...continued

Captain: ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!
Engineer: I'll tell Beth you love her...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 09:40 AM

Just read a lovely analogy. I can't C&P it as it is from an image. Please excuse any typo's.

Engineer: We found some large holes in the ship's hull
Captain: The people voted to sail
Engineer: I respect that but we will sink
Captain: Seems pretty buoyant to me
Engineer: We're still in dry dock
Captain: Your opinion. I disagree
Engineer: It really isn't a matter of opi...
Captain: That's project fear talking
Engineer: My professional view is that we won't make it twenty miles
Captain: People have had enough of experts
Engineer: Yes, OK, but shouldn't we let the people know and ask them again?
Captain: The people's will CANNOT be subverted
Engineer: The people voted for a free cruise, not a watery death
Captain: REMOANER!

Pause.

Engineer: Where are we going anyway?
Captain: Urmmm... I don't know. I thought you did. You're the expert.
Engineer: Where did the people vote to go?
Captain: We didn't, erm, we didn't ask. We didn't ask where. Not exactly. They just wanted to go.
Engineer: Go where?
Captain: I DON'T KNOW. Out. (motions vaguely) I am not going to show you MY HAND

Pause.

Engineer: I resign
Captain:

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 09:00 AM

Well, not much surprising from the EU debate on the text of the draft negotiation guidelines this morning:

Juncker says avoiding a hard border is an EU issue, not just an Irish issue. UKIP shouts out it is a British issue.

DUP say the backstop proposal is agressive interference in UK internals. Sinn Fein the backstop is not perfect but to be welconed.

Farage says we could do a US deal within 48 hours...

No real surprises. A vote on the resolution is due tomorrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 07:39 AM

Steve - Just found out I had the wrong St Ives anyway. The new Mossers was near Cambridge.

Wonder which one the man with 7 wives was going to?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 09:37 AM

Should read, "no hard border" - of course
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 09:22 AM

" The EU has made clear that only a solution acceptable to Ireland will be acceptable to them,"
Ireland has left it in the hands of the main negotiators as have the other member countries - though Brexit effects them as weel
The first thing that Britain did, having promised there would be a hard border was to back-pedal madly, saying that their promise was no such thing, but no more than a hope
If Britain continues to behave like that none of us will live to see a settlement of this shambles
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 08:18 AM

Amen, Steve.

And again sadly, no matter the truth of your post, those concepts are totally beyond the comprehension of the brainwashed Brexiters. We - the 73% of the electorate who did NOT vote to leave the EU - have been right royally shafted by an ill-constructed Referendum, a campaign based on lies and deceits on both sides with few hard facts presented to voters, and a Conservative government funded, driven, and given its instructions, by a small group of immensely-rich people whose interests will be best-served by a hard-Brexit.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 08:17 AM

I don't disagree, Jim. The EU has made clear that only a solution acceptable to Ireland will be acceptable to them, but it is the EU who are negotiating which is why I phrased it that way.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 08:10 AM

"that would be acceptable to the EU,"
There's a lot of basic 'point-missing' here
What is acceptable to tHe E.U. really features very small here - the point is far more basic than that
Ireland was partitioned in the 1920s and the residents made citizens of two different nations - just have to put yourself into the position of having to identify yourself if you wish to travel from Luton to Hitchin - simple as that
That led to many decades of bitter resentment and eventually open warfare
The end of the fighting brought about an attempt to bring the two groups together - a major step in that process was the removing of all visible signs of the border.
Now Britain stands to turning the clock back thirty years
They have to be joking!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 07:59 AM

Well that was truly from the hip. Of course, he'll attract derision for calling the electorate ignorant and ill-informed (and because of who he is), but he is exactly right. Not because we are all stupid, but because we were KEPT ignorant and ill-informed, misinformed even, by the referendum campaign, which was an utter disgrace and nothing to do with democracy. And he's also dead right about the bar being set far too low, a point I've made here again and again - the referendum's alternative answers, in or out, were way too skewed for them to be able to be properly subjected to a simple majority of the turnout. Vote to remain and we can easily try again and again to turn it around, just as we do in general elections every few years. Vote to leave (assuming we do leave as the politicians fail to see the light) and it's irrevocable by every practical consideration. Two-thirds of a minimum 75% turnout vote to leave, or even better, no referendum at all, would have been a far better way to go. The quality of the brexiteers' attitude is betrayed by their idiotic "people-have-spoken" crowing over this disastrous state of affairs (38%, remember?) and their calling US undemocratic for continuing to complain and campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 06:42 AM

Powerful and true words from Richard Dawkins on BBC newsnight.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 05:36 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 05:34 AM

One of the problems with the government exploring the "Smart Borders 2.0" is that they seem to be making the assumption that would be acceptable to the EU, whereas their legal text version of the December agreement makes it quite plain that is unlikely.

The Smart Borders document is, in my opinion, much more about what the EU believes they would have to do if we ended up with no deal. It does not follow it is acceptable if we do have a deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 03:23 AM

In the case of mant older people they did not vote for their own poverty, but other peoples poverty. They would be the first to complain if the government did the right thing and cut their pensions to subsidise import tariffs in order to prevent price rises for the rest of the population.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 03:28 PM

Can we do anything to extract ourselves from this mire other than get rid of the shower of shits that dropped us in it? That is not likely to happen soon enough so how can we best salvage anything out of the looming disaster before it happens?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 02:07 PM

It was a superb Tour-de-force. Sadly, its inherent truths will be completely beyond the powers of comprehension of the feeble-minded, union-jack-underpants, 'Take Are Cuntry Back' BrexShitteers on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 01:46 PM

You just beat me to it. I'm no fan of Sir Vince, but I agree with his every word. Here's some bits of what he said:

The Lib Dem leader said the votes of the older generation had "crushed the hopes and aspirations of young people for years to come."

Speaking at his party's spring conference, he said the government's Brexit policy was a "fraud."

"I thought, you know, the public had voted to be poorer - well, that was their right.
What changed my mind was the evidence that Brexit had overwhelmingly been the choice of the older generation.

"75% of under 25s voted to remain. But 70% of over 65s voted for Brexit," he said.

The Lib Dem leader went to say too many older voters were driven by "nostalgia for a world where passports were blue, faces were white and the map was coloured imperial pink."

"And it was their votes on one wet day in June which crushed the hopes and aspirations of young people for years to come," he said.

The former business secretary called the 'vision of a Global Britain signing lots of new trade deals" being pursued by his one-time cabinet colleague Theresa May a "fraud."

"Far from opening our arms to the world, we will be tearing up preferential trade deals we already have with 27 countries in the EU and 74 outside it," he said.

"There is no more eloquent testimony to the government's utter naivety about trade, that at a time when the world is descending into trade war, they put more faith in the Wild West warmonger in Washington and the bully of Beijing than they do in our established friends and trade partners in Europe."<

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 01:27 PM

An article on the BBC news today reports a speech by Vince Cable. Well worth a read. A salient point he puts is that older people were swayed by the thought of a world where "passports were blue, faces were white and the map was coloured imperial pink"

A very nive summoning up of some attitudes on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 10:23 AM

Stu posted this morning as a guest, a few minutes after my post about him, on the "Purely out of interest..." thread in the music section.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 09:58 AM

That would be a complete disaster and would wreck the Good Friday Agreement. I note also that the EU is not giving in to any talk of a bespoke/frictionless/whatever-other-imaginative-word-for-deal may be conjured up on financial services. Why would they? Brexit is a great opportunity for EU countries to cheerfully welcome the relocation of many of our major financial institutions to their own capital cities. We're going to be afloat somewhere in mid-Atlantic between an unfriendly EU and an ultra-protectionist US. who'd have thought it? Well quite a lot of us, actually, despite the plethora of lies and false hopes we've so far been served up.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 09:42 AM

If the Independent article is to be believed, the UK government is considering lots of infrastructure at the Irish border.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 08:26 AM

Thanks, Steve, and I certainly agree with Stu's sentiment about the links to hate sites and the people that provide them. Not sure that the 'leave them to it' approach is right though. As someone once said, all it needs for hate to thrive is for good men to do nothing. Imagine the impression people would get of English folkies if the right wing tripe posted here was left unchallenged.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 08:04 AM

14 Jan.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 07:59 AM

Stu hasn't posted since some disgraceful posting by Iains in the "Foul-mouthed Trump!" thread. Stu frequently doesn't agree with me and I frequently don't agree with him, and he's more than capable of telling it like it (truly) is in no uncertain terms, but next time we're accused by the trolls here of driving decent people away just go and take another look at that thread on that day, where there's a fine degree of hypocrisy on display.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 07:34 AM

"Socialism means misery and poverty for the many not the few "
YUP - SURE DOES BOZO !!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 07:23 AM

Socialism means misery and poverty for the many not the few . Vital that this point is hammered home on University Campuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 06:42 AM

Careers advisor: What sort of work are you cut out for?

Young man: I don't really like work. I want to make lots of money for little effort but I think only criminals do that and I don't like the idea of prison.

Careers advisor: How about going into the Tory party then?

Btw. Anyone heard from Stu? He started this thread but hasn't posted for ages.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 06:21 AM

"Jim, this is actually a meaningless statement."
I realise that Steve - but one of the largest sea-changes in the British economy has been in what that economy is base on
We produce nothing in real terms that can be exported - (even the immoral arms trade is based on buying and selling on) and we now rely on imports for the essentials of life - we can no longer exist as a self-sufficient country.
The largest proportion of our exports - 30-odd% - is finance - Britain is no longer a self-sustaining nation.
The Tories have made us dependent on others for our existence
As if their bribe to Northern Ireland sectarians with terrorist links wasn't bad enough - now this, from this morning's Sunday Times

TORIES BREAK MAY’S VOW TO BAN OLIGARCH DONORS
Caroline Wheeler and Andrew Gilligan
Russian oligarchs and their associates have registered donations of more than £820,000 (€920,000) to the Conservative Party since Theresa May became UK prime minister, The Sunday Times can reveal.
May promised to distance her party from Russian donors when she took office, with allies briefing that she would “sup with a long spoon” and the prime minister insisting there would not be a “business-as-usual” relationship with Moscow. However, the party has declared donations worth £826,100 from Russian-linked supporters since July 2016.
Last night, May was under pressure to return the cash over the attempted murder of the Russian former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in Salisbury last Sunday.
Marina Litvinenko, the widow of the former Russian dissident Alexander, who was killed by the Kremlin in London in 2006, said: “These donations are not just from the heart and for charitable reasons. They are all calculated.”
Ministers have privately accused May of adopting a “limp” approach to the assassination plot.
Nia Griffith, Labour’s shadow defence secretary, said: “These revelations call into question how seriously Theresa May will be willing to challenge Russia’s conduct when her party is literally being bankrolled by some close allies of the Kremlin.”
A Conservative Party spokeswoman said: “All donations to the Conservative party are properly and transparently declared to the Electoral Commission.
“We are strengthening our cyber-security and looking at tightening our financial regimes to ensure the profits of corruption cannot flow from Russia into the UK.”

Before I watched it I thought McMafia was about Glaswegian gangsters, (joke!) - now it seems it was really about what is going on behind the closed doors of Westminster.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 03:21 AM

This paper discusses the kind of measures I mean. I mentioned RPI and median salaries because tbey are weel understood, but the idea in this paper are better, in my view.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 03:32 AM

While GDP is undeniably important, I suspect most people more worried about what proportion of their wages arw things like rent, electricity, a loaf of bread, a pint of milk...

That is better expressed in terms of these costs against the median salary, because that includes distribution of wealth, whereas GDP only addresses the total, so doesn't care whether any improvement all ends up in the hands of the 1%.


So personally I would like to objectives around RPI, not just GDP.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 09:26 PM

"...the relative size of our economy has shrunk."

Jim, this is actually a meaningless statement. Relative to what? Shrunk as compared to what? It's simply laughable. A typical statement from a congenital europhobe.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 09:12 PM

"During our membership of the EU the relative size of our economy has shrunk.
"
Nothing to do with the fact that consecutive governments have consistently destroyed Britain's major industries, mining, shipbuilding, steel, textiles... until Britain has become totally dependent in imports - of course!!
The fact that Britain no longer has an industrial base has guaranteed that it cannot stand on its own feet and has to decide who to depend on - Trump's unstable administration doesn't look too promising
Nice summing up of Britain's chances of a n independent future here
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/reviews/the-slow-death-of-british-industry-by-nicholas-comfort-8456205.html
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 09:10 PM

My comment that the UK became the fifth-largest economy in the world during our membership of the EU is factually correct. No egg, no face, no nothing. Sorry if it doesn't fit your agenda, chaps, but that's the sheer obstinacy of facts for you! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 08:58 PM

Once again, Iains, I'll point out that you recently made fourteen posts in succession in this brexit-related thread that had nothing whatsoever to do with brexit. Please don't make me do an overall count. Instead, get help.

Er, the UK was the world's sixth largest economy in terms of GDP in 1970, pre-EU. In 2015 it was the fifth largest, even though China was nowhere in 1970 but way ahead of us in 2015. Why, we were even knocking spots off France in 2015. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 08:15 PM

"I too can make long lists of insults hurled and play the stupid game of my list is longer than your list"
I've invited you to do so before Iains - you didn't take me up on it last time and I doubt if you will now - but feel free
What you indulge in is the most cowardly form of bullying - protected by anonymity and distance - something you would not dare to do face to face.
Insulting is, in fact, a traditional art form - in Scotland they held competitions - (flytings) to outdo each other in invective
I suggest you read through your own postings and work out if there is anything you are proud of having said
I have described your behaviour as childish - that's what they are - but again, feel free to show that I've missed something
Anybody with views as off-the-wall as yours are could make for interesting argument - that's what these discussions should be about
Yours are just repetitively boorish
As my mother used to say - you are no more than tuppence trying to look over thruppence - might be a little too subtle for some!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 06:37 PM

Steve Shaw wrote: During our membership we became the fifth largest economy in the world



You omit the fact that before that we were the fourth largest economy in the world. During our membership of the EU the relative size of our economy has shrunk.

Oops............face meet egg.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 05:18 PM

I think Iains has just made our poits for us - far better than we could
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 05:15 PM

Keith: here is an extract from the EU draft of the December agreement:

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called on the Commission as Union negotiator and the United Kingdom to complete the work on all withdrawal issues, including those not yet addressed in the first phase, to consolidate the results obtained, and to start drafting the relevant parts of the Withdrawal Agreement. It stressed that negotiations in the second phase can only progress as long as all commitments undertaken during the first phase are respected in full and translated faithfully into legal terms as quickly as possible

=====

So the EU wants everything agreed to in December to be translated into legal terms. That is the context within which I think Tusk's comments are to be understood.

I dont think there is much vakue discussing this aspect much more. By the end of March the UK will have produced a legak text OR the EU will have backed down OR fudge will have been found or there will be no agreement. In two or three weeks we will know

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 02:15 PM

I have no idea who you are talking about, Iains. Either have the bottle to name who you ascribe these attributes to or just fuck off with your silly hints and insinuations.

I, for one, have never felt the need to jump to anyone's defence and I would not expect anyone to defend anything I say or do.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 01:46 PM

Raggytash as there are occasions you entirely civil in your responses, I will put a few counterpoints forward.
There are four people on this forum that always leap to defend one another.
One insults and offends so frequently that I doubt he even realizes the extent to which he does it.
One patronizes everybody and attempts to talk down to them unless sidetracked and burbling on about irrelevancies.
One pretends to be the little innocent while sliding in the stilletto.
One apparently just likes to run with the pack.

You know who you are. You are all wannabee bullies and want   to lord it over everyone else on this forum. There are times the "facts" you put forward are unsupported by evidence. When this is carefully documented and presented to you, you squeal. Teribus was very skilful and very thorough in rebutting your more fanciful assertions. That is why I find it surprising he has gone. He was a needed thorn in your
sides. I imagine you bullies were ecstatic to find that he posted no more. He had your measure far too well.

I too can make long lists of insults hurled and play the stupid game of my list is longer than your list. That is a very childish tactic adopted by one of your number, and he plays the little game constantly. So much for being grown up.

As I said to start with there are four of you and you make the entire area below the line in the BS section a constant battlefield. Hardly surprising the contributors to this section are shrinking. What on earth gives you the audacity to think you can impose your collective will on the direction the threads may take. Do you have some collective deficiency in you characters where you feel you have to bully, bluster, insult and attempt to coerce all those with a contrary view.
It says a lot to me that you came out to play in unison after my last post, presumably number 4 got the sniff of a good wine deal somewhere and is offline for a while. You all four are really despicable people.
Should the moderators wish to ban me or delete my post that is entirely a matter for them, but I will not be browbeaten, intimidated or silenced by you four.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 11:38 AM

PS I except the idiot professor, he does not merit any consideration at all. Deceitful, duplicious lying little toe-rag spring to mind.


PPS I can guarantee that when he reads this he will bleat "I don't tell lies"

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 11:33 AM

Iains, Could I make an observation without upsetting you. That is not my intent.

Seldom do you respond to any of the points raised here by other contributors, I cannot bring to mind any reply you have made to my posts that actually addressed the issue I was discussing.

I do realise that as a Brexiteer apart from actually being successful in the referendum you don't really have a lot to put forward as most if not all of the media coverage has been negative. (I don't count blue passports as a major step forward)

Could I politely suggest you stick to dealing with the issue of Brexit and do not resort to needless name-calling. It serves no useful purpose.

I do undertand that people on the "other" side of the argument are not exactly angels but perhaps they would be less antagonistic if less abuse was forthcoming.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 11:30 AM

Btw. Look at the latest legislation on domestic abuse. I think you will find that even the slow moving judiciary have agreed that abuse is not just physical or name calling. There are many kinds of abuse far more subtle including trying to belittle people or walking roughshod over their feelings. At least 2 of the people now banned tried that tactic and got what they deserved. Sadly the biggest culprit is still allowed to get away with it. And no, it is not you. Far from it.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 11:21 AM

I try not to be accidentally rude. Nor do I ever use unwarranted abuse. There are times when there is no point in even trying to gain any form of agreement or understanding. At that point the only course of action is to show the same contempt that the other poster offers me.

I think the moderators understand this.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 08:56 AM

Out of curiosity while I was waiting for a soundfile to come to the oil, I though I'd take a partial selection from Iain's postings, of his responses to oher postings (I think I got about a third of the way down them)
All are from this thread
I repeat - are you serious Iains?
Jim Carroll

Date: 27 Sep 17 - 10:46 PM
Twat.??
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 03:29 AM
Jimmie I copied your little packmate shaw's insult to me just to watch your entirely predictable behaviour. You and your wannabe bullies apparently think you have carte blanche to post whatever you like, yet act like stuck pigs when the tables are turned. Did you censure the idiot shaw for his gratuitous insult above? One law for the pack and one for the rest of us is it?
When you cannot reciprocate in the discussion with well constructed argument you resort to insult-presumably to make all those people embarrassing you go away, by having the thread closed. What a silly little man you are!
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 03:05 PM
So Shaw why do you not correct jimmies unique massacre of the english language? After all for a well educated "polymath" such as yourself it would be merely the matter of a moment.
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 03:26 AM
Calm down Shaw you are getting hysterical. Is that because it took you two days to conjure up a response in the earthquake thread? The strain a bit too much for you? For a well educated scientist I fail to see why you cannot grasp the fact that for any election in the uk the side with the most votes in any area. And the tories are still in power!
Date: 02 Oct 17 - 09:05 AM
Not in your classroom now stevie boy.
Date: 09 Oct 17 - 01:28 PM
Whimsical=capricious=given to sudden and unaccountable changes of mood or behaviour.
Oh dear-by his own admission he has totally lost the plot. Time to move in and just ignore the ramblings.
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 03:30 AM
Getting very tetchy shaw! Is this because a few more are having the audacity to question your incessant gibberings?
Date: 17 Oct 17 - 12:35 PM
Raggytash. You have a vivid imagination, if little else!
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 04:21 AM
Roofing exercises the muscles and the brain and the slightest error is on public display. What does teaching exercise? I hear bullying is a huge problem in the profession. HMMMMMMMMMMM!!!! Makes a person think about the nature of a certain person's posts does it not?
Date: 22 Oct 17 - 04:52 PM
Well that was a stunning contribution Shaw. It has advanced the discussion by leaps and bounds. It is obviously solely due to the efforts of a "well educated scientist.
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 03:16 AM
By your own admission you cannot separate fact from fiction, or fiction from fact. That makes most of your posts merely insulting irrelevancies.
Some of us wonder why you spend every hour on mudcat. You must lead a very empty life.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 03:35 PM
OOOH Dear! You do have a multiplicity of problems, do you not???
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:54 PM
"You believe a man who abandoned this country long before there was any brexit talk"
Your understanding of capitalism is of the same abysmal standard as most other things you pontificate on. Do you think he runs a charity like Oxfam or the RSPCA
Date: 20 Nov 17 - 10:43 AM
Is that a simple explanation from a simple mind?
Date: 24 Nov 17 - 02:20 PM
Jim a man of your minuscule talents on a keyboard has some audacity to highlight a spelling error of mine!
Date: 26 Nov 17 - 12:50 PM
Greg if you wish to publicly display your stupidity please continue.
Your nonsense is best confined to your insult the president thread", where all opposition is deleted
Date: 27 Nov 17 - 04:51 AM
The lad shaw is permanently confused: And as I said previously, a Walter Mitty
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 08:47 AM
You and your equally pathetic mates evidently think so, otherwise you would not continuously babble on about him.
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 12:02 PM
Here you are jimmie. Specially for you and your pathetic little mates.
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 05:07 PM
D the G. I enjoy a circus, especially this one!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 07:29 AM

"There is a major distinction between being rude and deliberately offensive"
You have always managed both, especially when you run out of answers
Want a typical example of your own - now how far do I need go back - how about " mudrats,", or "jimmie is deliberately offensive" (previous posting)
I choose to post under my own name unlike anonymous and somewhat cowardly trolls like yourself
That was your last posting - the one before was
"Little jimmie is the most offensive and you shaw are the most insulting."
Then the one before that
"You are a disgrace to this forum."
And before that
"Carroll comes out to play with zero consequences"
And before that
"and of course jimmies introduction of his usual Jewish card made no contribution?"
And before that
"More of the scouser's fairy tales!"

A clear unbroken run of your last postings - every single on a personal insult
I argue strongly on matters that concern me - I am never gratuitously insulting and I always respond directly to arguments
At no time have I ever replaced argument with insult, as you have from your entry on to this forum.
I once got tired of your and Teribus's use of bullyyiing and insulting tactics (shortly after Joe Offer asked us to desist from childish name calling)
I desisted, Teribus persisted and ten you joined him - he had the edge over you as he was infinitely better at it (strangely, I miss his offensive behaviour).
There is something not a little amusing about somebody as permanently offensive and insulting as you who behaves as schoolyard name-callingly and childish as you do complaining about being insulted
Try Burns, he had the answer:

"O wad some Power the giftie gie us
To see oursels as ithers see us!"

Are you serious Iains?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 06:16 AM

Steve Shaw wrote: During our membership we became the fifth largest economy in the world

You omit the fact that before that we were the fourth largest economy in the world. During our membership of the EU the relative size of our economy has shrunk.

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 05:47 AM

"Silly Iains. I did not support or oppose anything. Just pointed out that the moderators know what they are doing. As far as I know they stay well away from these toxic British politics threads."

Perhaps that should change. They have no hesitation moderating on any other thread, or closing them. My only criticism would be that closure could come far sooner in many cases.



There is a major distinction between being rude and deliberately offensive. Probably a subtlety too far for the mudrats, who have to support one another come what may.
without a shadow of a doubt jimmie is deliberately offensive and gets away with it repeatedly.
Others get banned!

Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 04:36 AM

So gnome you fully support his totally unsubstantiated allegations.

Silly Iains. I did not support or oppose anything. Just pointed out that the moderators know what they are doing. As far as I know they stay well away from these toxic British politics threads.

DtG