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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 05 Dec 17 - 12:11 PM But, pushing the analogy, we all have to sleep in the damn bed as well! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 17 - 01:06 PM phoned the PM and told her she no longer had their support in the negotiations. Obviously the Unionist people would never accept different status to the rest of the UK, so obviously their representatives stopped it. Who was surprised? Would Eire accept different status to rest of EU to help negotiations along? I think not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 05 Dec 17 - 01:13 PM Obviously the Unionist people would never accept different status to the rest of the UK, so obviously their representatives stopped it. Who was surprised? May, Davis and the whole UK negotiating team, apparently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 17 - 01:18 PM It was not true that UK had ever agreed to it. It was leaked by Dublin that it had and the media took it up, but it was never true. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Dec 17 - 01:47 PM "It was leaked by Dublin" The trrrorist linked DUP claimed this, Dublin has pointed out that they had no part of it and were not briefed themselves as they were not part of the negotiations But you believe the terrorist linked political party if you wish - as I'm sure you will Maggie May's troubles seem to be stacking up like No 14 buses at present It has emerged that her own ministers and backbenchers are split on the objectives on Brexit One crowd wish to concentrate on maintaining trade links with Europe while the other wish to move away and open up trade with other countries, particularly Trump's US Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Dec 17 - 02:04 PM So, if the DUP removed their support in the single most important issue to face the U.K. since the end of WW2, how much will be deducted by Old Weak 'n' Wobbly from the 1.5 million she promised the DUP in return for their support? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Backwoodsman Date: 05 Dec 17 - 02:18 PM 1.5 BILLION!! Buggerbuggerbugger! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 17 - 02:36 PM Dublin has pointed out that they had no part of it OK, but it was leaked to RTE, so despite their denials Dublin is the most likely culprit. Sin Fein is a party with terrorist links Jim. Do you object to them representing Irish people? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Dec 17 - 03:01 PM "Sin Fein is a party with terrorist links Jim. " Sinn Fein has moved on and is regarded a respectable party - both North and South Nobody has an objection to them representing the Irish people, as shown by the present situation where in the last election the DUP too 28.1 per cent of the vote and Sinn F?in 27.9 per cent. The DUP still retains its arrogantly SECTARIAN STANCE "Dublin is the most likely culprit." Why - it is in the interest of Dublin that the deal should go ahead - why should they leak the document (they had no access to) and scupper that deal? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 05 Dec 17 - 03:04 PM why should they leak the document (they had no access to) and scupper that deal? Why would anyone, but it was leaked and of course they had access to it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Raggytash Date: 05 Dec 17 - 03:41 PM Can't even get the name of the political party correct !!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 05 Dec 17 - 04:39 PM Can't even get the name of the political party correct !!! Aye. I think people often use 'Conservative Party' in place of 'bunch of self serving tossers' Oh, sorry, is that not the one you meant? :D tG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 05 Dec 17 - 07:50 PM "Why would anyone, but it was leaked and of course they had access to it!" It hasd been suggested that right wing sympathisers leaked it The Tory Right, led by Rees Mogg has already protested that at no cost must the position of Unionist Ireland be compromised as "We are members of the Conservative and Unionist Party" - Prime suspects I would say. You never fail to leap to the defence of bigots, terrorist states, and racist has-beens like Ukip, do you? I 've just won a bet with myself as to whose side you'd be on in all this - the bowler hatted and besashed bigots win every time with you, don't they? It is not coincidental that the old sectarian Unionists have now turned to RACISM to fill their empty hours Let's hear it for that pastime Keith! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 06 Dec 17 - 02:00 AM Keith said: [Unionist would not accept it] Who was surprised? I said: Keith said: It was not true that the UK ever agreed to it Strictly speaking that is right, since May would have been the one to make such a formal announcement. But if the UK would not have been about to agree the DUP telephone call was of no significance whatsoever and therefore any leak of the wording would not have affected anything because, you claim, there was not going to be an agreement. Given that the DUP did make the call and it does appear to have an effect, I think I am right is my original response. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 06 Dec 17 - 02:34 AM I should explain I didn't post that to say 'I am right': that is of little importance in the scheme of things. It was more to make clear that Davis is far less prepared for these negotiations than his supporters might hope. Moreover, this is all of a piece with the claims from some quarters that the reason the release of the impact papers was so hard fought and is still being fought is that they are so "thin". and that in its turn means that the hard questions like Scotland's response to the DUP has not been considered. While we think it a crazy idea in the first place, every remained I know want Brexit to be as beneficial to the country as possible. That means we need faith that the negotiators are up to the job. Such public humiliation damages that. And it is important that leavers say "This is not good enough" as well. There was a comment in the Irish Times that I thought a good one. To all appearances, the U.K. Was about to ready to make concessions on every one of the EU demands when it had previously refused to. What does that say about its ability to make deals that are good for the UK post Brexit? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 06 Dec 17 - 03:39 AM Wake up call for the little Englanders. Try to read and learn instead of finding excuses and reasons to dispute it. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 04:01 AM "but it was leaked and of course they had access to it!" Can you prove this Keith? They had the assurances of Europe that no deal would be made without that was detrimental to the Irish people - an assurance that the EU would protect its own members. That was public knowledge, the details of the proposals were not. You are inventing things Keith and you are doing so to protect the only people who were going to lose out if the deapl went through - the DUP. It's all a little irrelevant anyway - what does it matter who leaked the proposals - it was the DUP who have scuppered them and set Brexit back, while at the same time making the Government look both ruthless and extremely inept, for which we should all be grateful because that is exactly what they have been from day one. I have no doubt that, following this circus that stands to run longer than 'The Mousetrap', should a new referendum be called, Brexit wouldn't stand a chance. I also have little doubt that, given the fact that what the DUP is demanding for the Six Counties has been shown to be in direct conflict with the interest of the people living there, that they wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of maintaining a majority. Stop defending sectarian terrorism Keith Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Dec 17 - 04:09 AM May and her team are adamant they would never have accepted different terms for different parts of the Union. The DUP phone call likely resulted from them reading in the press and hearing on the air that it was accepted when it never was. As David Davis said yesterday, no UK government would accept that. "Sources in Brussels however said that though officials on both sides were in broad agreement over the solution to the problem, Downing Street has so far felt unable to sign off on it. RTE says the draft deal said: ?In the absence of agreed solutions the UK will ensure that there continues to be no divergence from those rules of the internal market and the customs union which, now or in the future, support North South cooperation and the protection of the Good Friday Agreement.? " "The PM has been clear that the UK is leaving the European Union as a whole and the territorial and economic integrity of the United Kingdom will be protected," the Prime Minister's spokesperson said. Speaking at Stormont DUP leader Arlene Foster said: ?We note the speculation emanating from the European Union exit talks regarding the Republic of Ireland and United Kingdom border. "We have been very clear. Northern Ireland must leave the EU on the same terms as the rest of the United Kingdom. We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates Northern Ireland economically or politically from the rest of the United Kingdom. The economic and constitutional integrity of the United Kingdom will not be compromised in any way. "Her Majesty?s Government understands the DUP position.? The Prime Minister has told the House of Commons that there will be no border in the Irish Sea. The Prime Minister has been clear that the UK is leaving the European Union as a whole and the territorial and economic integrity of the United Kingdom will be protected. "We want to see a sensible Brexit where the Common Travel Area is continued, we meet our financial obligations, have a strictly time limited implementation period and where the contribution of EU migrants to our economy is recognised in a practical manner. "The Republic of Ireland claim to be guarantors of the Belfast Agreement but they are clearly seeking to unilaterally change the Belfast Agreement without our input or consent.? https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/arlene-foster-says-dup-will-not-accept-brexit-divergence-which-separates-northern-ireland-from-rest-of-uk-36377055.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Dec 17 - 04:13 AM Jim, what does it matter who leaked the proposals - it was the DUP who have scuppered them They did not need to scupper them. They were never going to be accepted. Stop defending sectarian terrorism Keith I never have nor would. I am not part of your mad sectarian split. There is sectarian hate in your posts though Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 06 Dec 17 - 04:41 AM Of course that is what they said yesterday when the negotiations so collapsed, Keith. It doesn't make it more convincing. Note to complete silence that followed yesterday's response to the urgent question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 17 - 05:06 AM "There is sectarian hate in your posts though Jim." No there is not. Like me, Jim detests the DUP and their fellow-traveller politicians for being on the wrong side of history, for their intolerant attitudes and for their current stance, which is nakedly no more than to oppose anything which they suspect is leading to what is inevitable sooner or later, a united Ireland. They are power-hungry and do not have the interests of anyone except their own squalid little cabal at heart. I have not seen a single word of hatred for any of the ordinary people of Northern Ireland, of either persuasion, from Jim. It ill-behoves you of all people to attack anyone for being blindly one-sided. And you won't get me going on that so don't waste your cyber-ink. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: DMcG Date: 06 Dec 17 - 05:28 AM Adequately prepared? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 06 Dec 17 - 05:54 AM On the subject of constant repetition 20 years of fake news about the EU If the press barons are so keen on fooling people about the EU it should ring some alarm bells. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Dec 17 - 05:58 AM Like me, Jim detests the DUP Do you both detest the Unionist community they represent? Are they not "on the wrong side of history" too? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 06:10 AM "They did not need to scupper them. They were never going to be accepted" Then why did the mindless twats put them forward? "There is sectarian hate in your posts though Jim." Not from me Keith As an atheist I am a neural on all religions - they are all irrational superstition to me, but those who ish to follow them are free to do so as long as they don't interfere with the running of our society. I detest all forms of sectariianism, whether it be between different brand of religions, colour, culture, race... humanity is humanity Just a reminder of where sectarianism arose in Ireland The Unionists were the first to introduce the gun into 20th century politics here - they did so on the basis of "fuck the Pope - Home Rule is Rome Rule - sectarianism They sighned a covenant which declared the intention to go to war if ever home rule was introduced. Britain deliberately created a sectarian state - at first intending to include the whole of Ulster, but whan they di teh math they cut out the three counties that would put the Catholics in charge. They oversaw the creation of a fiercely divided state with bigots in charge - Catholics were deliberately disadvantaged by land divisions, a vote dependent on land ownership, regular anti-Catholic riots and employment boycots and annual triumphalist displays of superiority. Members of my family, two parents, to young girls andboy toddler, were forced to flee Protestant Derry when their home was burned around their ears. When the Catholics had had enough and began to protest, their peaceful marches were steered by the RUC through screaming mobs of stone-throwing bigoted thugs Even then, the first bloodletting of 'The Troubles' was carried out by thuggish Loyalist killers in McGurk's Bar. During the inevitable violence that erupted from all this, the British Troops sent in to supposedly keep the two factions apart sided and even colluded with the Loyalist terrorists. The occupying army carried out atrocities of their own, including a massacre of innocent non-combatant demonstrators, imprisonment without trial and now, it transpires, torture. You hatred of the Irish, describing Irish children as being "brainwashed to hate Britain" is well established on this forum, so don't you dare accuse me of sectarianism. Given the behaviour of the English/British over eight centuries, it would be understandable if the Irish hated the British The miracle is that they don't Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 06:15 AM "Do you both detest the Unionist community they represent?" There is no such thing as a "Unionist" community Keith - a sign of your bigotry is that you should believe there is Unionism is a political/religious belief - not a community - Ireland is no different than any other country apart from the fact that it has been artificially divided into two parts by a foreign power - a remnant of Empire Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 06 Dec 17 - 06:23 AM The article by Naomi O’Leary that I linked earlier makes some good points in that respect, Jim. I would recommend it to all who are ignorant of the politics of Ireland, not as a definitive work on those politics, but simply as a starting point to show just how ignorant most of us English are in that respect. DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Donuel Date: 06 Dec 17 - 06:38 AM Ha the jokes on you, Trump recognizes Jerusalem the new capitol of Israel, London the real Mecca of the Muslim world and Trump Tower the real White House of the US. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:13 AM Two items of interest in the news Arlene Foster has ruled out any meeting with May Blossom until there is something on offer or the DUP (as if a £1 billion bung wasn't enough!) Another example of the tail wagging the poodle. David Davis has just admitted than no survey has been carried out in the impact Brexit will have on the British Exonomy It's time for the Great Brexit Lemming Show folks or it will be when someone gets their act together Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Donuel Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:19 AM The political climate here has apparently turned liberals into virulent hot heads. As some of you suspect I am the real life Larry David who says the wrong thing at the right time. Over the last decade I have identified with our English cousins here to the point I think in terms of a UK perspective in everything from driving on the LEFT to feeling exasperated with Brexit voters. So I am in the Christmas decorated Mall walking into Pennys when a cute couple are walking out blocking me from entering on the right. I go to the 'extreme right' against the 'wall' to enter. But I had to open my mouth. Avoiding a collision I said "I'm an American, I even walk on the right". The couple's smiles turned downward and three seconds later from behind me they both yelled " FUCK YOU ". I figured out why they thought I was a Trump Nazi type, but felt good about their leftist gumption. My wife however was appalled and the incident further strengthened her opinion that I am a closet right wing bigot. cue Curb your Enthusiasm music. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: bobad Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:24 AM Jerusalem the new capitol of Israel Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel for three thousand years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:37 AM This is not about Israel as you have been quick to point out Go open a thread Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:38 AM Jim, There is no such thing as a "Unionist" community Keith Yes there is Jim. The correct description of the two communities is Nationalist and Unionist. They are not best defined by religion these days when most people are not religious. New Statesman, "Most people in Northern Ireland identify as either nationalist or unionist" https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2017/02/northern-ireland-moving-past-nationalist-and-unionist-politics |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:40 AM Start a new thread on it, troll. Whichever one of the two of you is posting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:42 AM That was to bobad/anonymous guest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 08:55 AM "Yes there is Jim" No there isn't Keith - there are Catholic and Protestant communities - Unionism is a politico-religious philosophy There are no Labour or Conservative communities in Britain - why on earth should things be different in Norther Ireland What people identify themselves as does not make them vcommunities Stop being crass, if you can manage it The gap is so small now that within the next few years those differences will have leveled out anyway for all but sectarian bigots like yourself Tou have ignored every other point about sectarian Ireland so I assume we're agreed on something Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: bobad Date: 06 Dec 17 - 09:40 AM I'm just correcting a factual error, no need to get your panties in a twist, fellas. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Greg F. Date: 06 Dec 17 - 12:08 PM three seconds later from behind me they both yelled " FUCK YOU " Now THERE'S the real Christmas spirit! Prob'ly tRUMP voters into the bargain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Dec 17 - 01:12 PM Jim, There is no such thing as a "Unionist" community Keith Yes there is Jim. The correct description of the two communities is Nationalist and Unionist. They are not best defined by religion these days when most people are not religious. New Statesman, "Most people in Northern Ireland identify as either nationalist or unionist" https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/devolution/2017/02/northern-ireland-moving-past-nationalist-and-unionist-politics |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 01:19 PM This can go on forever Keith, but not with my help To your original point, the only detestation for a people on the Island of Ireland has come from you - as far back as you want to go You are nitpicking this to avoid responding to the real point - Britain helped to create a sectarian state and has bent over backwards tio dened it since its inception Move on or go away Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 06 Dec 17 - 01:55 PM Jim, you lie. the only detestation for a people on the Island of Ireland has come from you It never, ever has. I challenge and defy you to produce an example if that is not another of your filthy lies, Jim liar. The Unionist community is so labelled because they wish to be left within the UK as they have been for centuries. I agree with you and Steve that history is not going their way, and do not want to keep any part of Ireland within UK. But, I do not "detest" them as Steve says you both do. That is sectarian hatred. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 17 - 02:20 PM The Unionist parties are not sects. They are political organisations. It is not sectarian to detect political organisations. I detest the Tory party (have done all my life) and I detest the BNP. I detest Trump's version of Republicanism. I detest UKIP. I detest Likud. I do not detest individual supporters of any of those organisations (I tend to avoid 'em, or at least keep their politics at arm's length), though I may regard them as wrong-headed and delusional. On your side there are people who detest Hamas and Corbyn's version of Labour. You're not the number one fan of either yourself. Arguing for policies detrimental to one class or ethnic group in your country is what is sectarian, not doing your damnedest to oppose the policies of their political parties. That's called democracy, Keith. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 06 Dec 17 - 02:32 PM "But, I do not "detest" them as Steve says you both do." Steve doesn't speak for me but what Steve actually said was "Like me, Jim detests the DUP" The DUP is is political party Definition - The Democratic Unionist Party is a unionist political party in Northern Ireland. Ian Paisley founded the DUP in 1971, during the Troubles, and led the party for the next 37 years. not a people Would you accuse those who hate the BNP or Ukip or the Tories of being sectarian - are you really that stupid? Feckin' eejit Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 06 Dec 17 - 05:42 PM I kind of assumed that you detested the DUP, Jim. Wasn't meaning to speak for you. Apologies! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Dec 17 - 03:51 AM Didn't assume for one minute you were speaking for me Steve - no apologies needed It's this sectarian bigot who implied, as all of these clowns do, that we "pack" are a team They don't respond to facts, instead they reduce these discussions to personal smears and nitpicking stupid arguments like claiming so show that raectionary political movements like Unionism are really "communities" and to critisciese them is "sectarian hatred" They'd have probably argued the same in defence of Nazism - taking Keith's claim to its logical conclusion, the Nazis were a "community" - they certainly had popular support They live in a world of "when you have no facts, make some up" Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Dec 17 - 05:15 AM The Unionist parties are not sects. They are political organisations. Obviously. I was referring to the unionist community of NI. Do you detest them or not? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Dave the Gnome Date: 07 Dec 17 - 05:20 AM He is just holding his hoops higher again, lads. If you carry on jumping you will end up losing ;-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Dec 17 - 05:30 AM He's talking through his suburban leafy bumbum, that's for sure. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Dec 17 - 05:52 AM "Do you detest them or not?" There are no more "Unionist Communities" than there are "Conservative Communities" Do you believe there to be culturally cleansed areas of Northern Ireland where only Unionists live - has Unionist sectarian bigotry really been that successful? Northern Ireland is what it says on the label - "Irish" Despite nearly a century's effort on the part of the Unionists, the population now lives and works together, one section doesn't have to sit at the back of the bus or use their own toilets - they are one population Any division has been carefully fostered by British supported laws which made a third of the population second class citizens and made their lives a misery, and by annual displays of sectarian superiorty. People of all denominations, in general, have always mixed socially and in every-day life Do I hate Unionism - I most certainly do - it is a hate-filled, bigoted philosophy that has ben the cause of bloodshed and intolerance for over a century since it first produced it's hate filled COVENANT "The Covenant signed by men read: ?Being convinced in our consciences that Home Rule would be disastrous to the material well-being of Ulster as well as the whole of Ireland, subversive of our civil and religious freedom, destructive of our citizenship, and perilous to the unity of the Empire, we, whose names are underwritten, men of Ulster, loyal subjects of His Gracious Majesty King George V, humbly relying on the God whom our fathers in days of stress and trial confidently trusted, do hereby pledge ourselves in solemn covenant throughout this our time of threatened calamity to stand by one another in defending for ourselves and our children our cherished position of equal citizenship in the United Kingdom, and in using all means which may be found necessary to defeat the present conspiracy to set up a Home Rule Parliament in Ireland. And in the event such a Parliament being forced upon us we further solemnly and mutually pledge ourselves to refuse to recognise its authority. In sure confidence that God will defend the right we hereto subscribe our names. And further, we individually declare that we have not already signed this covenant.God Save the King? The Declaration signed by women read: ?We, whose names are underwritten, women of Ulster, and loyal subjects of our gracious King, being firmly persuaded that Home Rule would be disastrous to our Country, desire to associate ourselves with the men of Ulster in their uncompromising opposition to the Home Rule Bill now before Parliament, whereby it is proposed to drive Ulster out of her cherished place in the Constitution of the United Kingdom and to place her under the domination and control of a Parliament in Ireland. Praying that from this calamity God will save Ireland, we hereto subscribe our names.?! That is what caused the hatred and bloodshed that has been a part of Irish life 1912, and has spilled over onto the British mainland for periods of time during the intervening years Do I hate it - yes I ***** do Why do you support it? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 07 Dec 17 - 07:30 AM Jim, There are no more "Unionist Communities" than there are "Conservative Communities" The two communities in NI are correctly called nationalist and unionist. The unionist majority see themselves as British, and the nationalists as Irish. That is what separates them. Not religion. Most are not religious and their disputes are certainly not about transubstantiation or confession! So Steve and Jim, do you detest either community, because that would make you sectarian. For myself, I hope NI joins Eire and becomes their problem, but I do not detest anyone. |