BS: Trump is a one trick pony

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 08:10 AM

Americans researching the foibles of American candidates is legal. Russians trying to undermine American candidates is not. It's that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: gillymor
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 09:46 AM

Something (White)fishy here.

Rather than drain it Twitler has given "the Swamp" a steroid injection.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 09:57 AM

Firm Tied to Trump Asked WikiLeaks for Data, Assange Says

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/julian-assange-wikileaks-trump.html

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stu
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 11:48 AM

"Stu if you, or anybody else for that matter, come out with anything, on any topic that I know to be incorrect, I will point the error out and I will correct it"

Firstly, I was responding to Ake not yourself (although his post appears to have disappeared).

Secondly, I'm not sure why you're denying the Trump campaign's ties to Russian intelligence; Trump Jr. met with them hoping for dirt on Clinton, and there are plenty of other reports of equal;l veracity, and some parts of the Steele report are also true. This is accepted across the board, the question is how extensive these ties were. Fully expect a video or recording of Trump being pissed on by Russian call-girls to be leaked (geddit?) at some point.

From NBC: Yes, the Russia-Trump Investigation Is Real

Clinton's campaign might have put money into the publication of the Steele dossier, but this is not collusion with a foreign power; indeed the FBI were involved as well by all account. There's something odd about Trump's accusations over this as it looks like the Steele dossier might well be a legitimate document that Trump's corporate machine is trying to discredit; hard to do when the person slinging the accusations about is an utter liar and lacks any integrity. Anyone would have to be an idiot to trust him.

My (useless and probably poorly informed) opinion is what we are seeing here is a feud between the US state machine and political establishment against Trump and his allies. Trump is no politician, but a hustler who will do anything to get 'the deal' including lie and defame. His very presence in the White House is an affront to many people who are used to more respect from the Oval Office; Trump doesn't give a fuck about tradition/history/acting in a presidential fashion as he never has had to. Like many uber-capitalists (and we all know people in business who are like this) he will steamroller, cajole and act in as machiavellian a manner as needed to achieve his aims. He's fucked so many people off including some he should have had more sense to challenge so rashly, including the CIA and FBI.

Then common sense is an abstract concept to Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 12:10 PM

Yes. Absolutely.

Hint: thread topic is tRUMP.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 12:12 PM

And speaking of tRUMP- here are a bunch of his second-ammendment, NRA, anti-government type supporters, following tRump's lead:

Conspiracy theorists ? some of whom claim that the government staged the shooting on 1 October or that the tragedy was a hoax ? have targeted survivors and victims? loved ones, spamming every social media platform with misinformation and abuse. On Facebook and YouTube in particular, users have published viral posts and videos calling people like Braden ?crisis actors?, alleging they were hired to pose as victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/26/las-vegas-shooting-conspiracy-theories-social-media

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 08:09 PM

This thread is not about all of the stuff that some of our UK members keep trying to turn it into. They don't get it.

Subject: BS: The American President
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 08:10 PM

Many have suggested he I not composmentis, what are your thoughts?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Oct 17 - 09:02 PM

He's a sociopath, a predator, and a sneak. Trying to change the tax code without releasing his taxes, for example. The practices he has demonstrated to date, the high expenses of maintaining his lifestyle are one thing to go by - charging the Secret Service to use space in his hotels, golf courses, and building in NYC are one part. The emoluments aspect of the old Post Office hotel in DC that is clearly a way to pour money into his pockets to curry favor is another.

His one trick is to wring the government itself, and the middle and lower classes dry as he tries to set up himself and his rich friends to keep more and take more than they do already. He is undercutting the social infrastructure to do it - if the Tea Party Republicans can get all of the "socialism" out of the US way of doing things - insured health care, looking out for the poor, providing adequate or excellent educations for all, making sure everyone has enough to eat, looking out for retirees and the disabled - they'll let Trump keep skimming off of the top. They don't care about that (and like the Koch brothers, many of them are also very rich, not just ideologues.)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stu
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 05:41 AM

"They don't get it."

Unfortunately for the USA, by spending decades as the self-appointed "leader of the free world" and imposing it's will on the rest of the world both politically and culturally, we DO have a vested interest in the political happenings of the US; we have a vested interest because the United States has made sure we all have a vested interest (as well as a personal interest, having good friends there and loving the place). Now that the US is no longer the leader of the free world, but a country led by a blithering idiot narcassist, we still have a vested interest as what Trump does send ripples around the globe.

So we are entitled to comment on these threads as what happens affects us directly, it's just we see US politics differently because we experience it differently.

People in the US can be so insular. They don't get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 08:30 AM

Then go with the spirit of the thread. Don't be a troll like the others who got the boot. Consider this a moderated thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stu
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 09:17 AM

Sorry. Didn't realise I was being a troll. I'll get me coat.

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The trick is to not take their bait. They want to argue against Trump's detractors, they want to point fingers in all directions except at the Orange One, or they will suggest they have first amendment rights to be heard in order to foul the discussion. You weren't being called a troll. This is a moderated thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: gillymor
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 09:59 AM

Acme's post yesterday at 09:02 P.M. hit the nail square on the head.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 10:14 AM

Tom Steyer posted this to address the mentally unstable individual who is the resident of the White House. There is a petition. Online petitions don't generally have much clout unless so many people sign that it can't be ignored, and then they generate more actionable documents.

Donald Trump has taken money from foreign governments, obstructed justice at the FBI, and even brought us to the brink of nuclear war. We need to impeach this dangerous president.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 03:02 PM

DT is not compos mentis so a physical ailment picked up in Asia would be the final straw. When mind, body and spirit are all ill, a biologic inertia quickly slows to a stop.

I have found that victims often have a propensity to support/wish for some kind of Armageddon rather than wait for a false and corrupt justice to remedy their situation. Call it anger but it is real and sincere. Most people with empathy turn this anger inward and kill themselves. This is why 2/3rds of US veterans commit suicide.
{Yes Virginia the rate is that high.}

These people are part of his base. It is rational that if one election is won, then he can do it again with new improved social media manipulation.

An anti hero once said "to succeed you have to be first by any means and if not, you have to cheat."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 05:49 PM

The usa has engaged in propaganda and owes much to indoctrination and straight up lies and regime change.. The Trump base however do not believe a few facebook and google ads would effect their voting.
They are righteous when they are told what is fake news.

If Trump tweeted that Melania was a Russian spy and she was the white house leaker, his base would believe it. It would be a win win for trump no matter what Mueller or the CIA would say. Having fired a carload of Russian agents like Flynn and others, Melania would be just one more he could use as a human shield and distraction excuse.

Do I believe it will come to pass? no. It does serve as demonstration of a one trick pony boss with a script to fire people on a reality show. I hear audiences ate it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Oct 17 - 10:19 PM

All the shit is hitting the fan at once tonight. All the Congressional investigations are blowing up and seem to be concluding that the Pres has nothing to do with all the Russians and in addition to that Mueller is handing down charges of a secret individual*. Another resignation by the Virginia Fed attorney who was ordered to fire all the state attorneys by Trump.

It will take days to sort out what has happened tonight.

* my guess is Mannafort with Flynn to follow.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 03:38 PM

Mueller is ready to start pressing charges, making arrests, as soon as Monday. And there are so many corrupt individuals in the Trump administration that no one can guess who the initial target/s might be.

First charges filed in special counsel Mueller's Russia probe: report.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Oct 17 - 05:23 PM

President Id-Baby energizes the cockroaches:

"....Florida representative Frederica Wilson was not at work in Washington this week, reportedly because of threats stemming from the White House's recent attacks on her. A spokesperson told the Washington Post that Wilson has been staying in her Florida district due to "concerns about her safety."

Wilson has received calls that "run the gamut from racist and rude to outright menacing." Another Florida congresswoman, Alcee Hastings, said that Wilson had been the target of "substantial death threats." She's now being protected by a security detail, and the Capitol Police are watching her D.C. office..."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 07:11 AM

Breaking news

"President Trump's ex-campaign manager Paul Manafort to face charges in Russia inquiry, reports say"


Oooops !

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 05:33 PM

'Round and 'round the cobbler's bench
The monkey chased the weasel,
The monkey thought 'twas all in fun
Pop o GOP o louse Goes the weasel.

A penny for a spool of lies
A penny for a Russian,
That's the way the money goes,
Pop o GOP o louse Goes the weasel.

Papodopolous pleads guilty

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 05:47 PM

Facebook reports that only 126 million American people were served with Russian troll farm Trump news before and after the election.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 07:06 PM

It looks like Trump will get his wall, one brick at a time ntil he is entirely walled in.
Mueller dropped his first 3 bricks today.

A trial is sometime in 2018 and the sentencing for Popadopolous will be months from now.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: gillymor
Date: 30 Oct 17 - 07:17 PM

A true patriot salutes her president.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 04:56 AM

There will be an information overload for people who can only handle the brevity of a tweet like me. Moreover 70 % of Republicans don't care what the Russians do or did as long as they team up to destroy Hillary, and lock her up.

Truth has a life of its own. Once you have it, what do you do with it. Aside from prison time the truth only threatens people who look to the future. Republicans generally look to the past and even then, conveniently forget about serious Russian cold war vengeance.

Truth needs to be promoted and sold to live on, just the same as lies are promoted repeated and sold.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 05:34 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAlol
I just saw Senator Grassley (chairman of investigation) actually hide behind the American flag ! and duck out through the rear curtains when reporters were asking others about the indictments.

What a visual metaphor

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 05:49 AM

What made Chuck Grassley hiding behind a flag comedy gold was just as he sneaks behind the flag through the rear curtain he trips on the pedestal base of the flag and the flag starts to wildly wave back and forth hitting fellow senators and betraying his sneaking like a wagging tell tail.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Oct 17 - 07:23 AM

Sign Impeachment Petition

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Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Iains
Date: 01 Nov 17 - 03:32 AM

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/31/sorting-out-the-russia-mess/

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 10:14 AM

Jeff Sessions is in big trouble for lying under oath which could be bigger trouble for all of us.

If Sessions, who recused himself from Russia investigations, loses his job the new Attorney General who would not be recused would then be in charge with the power to fire Mueller.

It could be one of those cases where the demon you have is better than the demon you don't know.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 03:32 PM

"I am the only person that matters , period."
Quote: Trump in interview today.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 03:36 PM

Trump was banned from Twitter today for 11 minutes.
It was a moderator's last day on the job.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Nov 17 - 04:49 PM

Shame it wasn't tRUMP's last day on the job - or at least on Twatter.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 06:58 AM

Greg another good thing as demonstrated by BB, who intentionally had another thread closed, is that arch right folks recognize that Trump has broken laws, ignored the constitution and fell for a code of civility so defiled that Taliban like statements are being made with impunity.

You too probably understand the issue of "but its not fair".
As a perception, many people will believe Trump's greatest hit lies and ignore the NYT 'fake news'.

Harken back to the end of the Civil War. Lincoln sacrificed at the end lessened the feelings of payback and unfairness in defeat. How much less is debatable. This issue would reemerge upon the impeachment of DT. Some would feel the Dems must pay, what 'they' did is unfair.
A sacrificial lamb strategy, while primitive, may be required for primitive people.

To me having a Pres. Pence is sacrifice enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 07:34 AM

Who is the best sacrificial lamb?
Whoever is most maligned.






I can not imagine.
My mind goes blank. I can not go there despite having seen the entire GOT.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 08:08 AM

With each public swipe via testimonials about and against the Hollywood elite, and lucid articles appear in smart journals by former child actors; as more and more women come forward to recount what happened at the hands and behest of such individuals as Weinstein, we already have many accounts leveled at Trump. His Teflon trick is going to fail one day as an "ah ha!" moment makes his propinquity to young starlets conspicuous in it's lopsided power and lascivious outcome for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 10:15 AM

Lincoln sacrificed at the end lessened the feelings of payback and unfairness in defeat.

I would suggest that the history of Reconstruction, the almost immediate economic & social re-enslavement of Blacks (see Blackmon book, et. al.), the entire history of Black voting and civil rights up to the present day, the resurgence of the Klan and the existence of "The League Of The South" and the "Sons of Confederate Veterans" the movies "Birth Of A Nation"1915) and "Gone With The Wind"(1939), the survival and worship of the "Lost Cause" myth down to the present day, and the violent attacks on Lincoln voiced by certain individuals on this forum & elsewhere put the lie to that statement.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stu
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 10:55 AM

Comes to something when George W. looks like a total genius president in comparison to Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 11:03 AM

I dunno about "total"- but point taken.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Nov 17 - 12:11 PM

I mention Lincoln rhetorically to get to the concept of the sacrificial lamb. Not only is the effect of the assassination debatable it is most likely negligible in the long run.

With Gen. Kelly calling Robert E Lee a great and honorable fellow proves the cause is still being fought. It is a despicable and deplorable cause.

That being said meet Roger Stone who made millions giving 3rd world dictators tools to overthrow countries and 'win' elections. He calls himself a cold warrior.
net flix Roger Stone.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 07:36 PM

Moving on from possible progressive sacrificial lambs, it seems less likely everyday that the House will ever Impeach Trump.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Nov 17 - 08:06 PM

He's over in Japan spouting off about bombs being the only way to keep North Korea under control, and oh, by the way, he's meeting Putin while in Asia. He's a World War waiting to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 10:06 PM

Democrats sweep state elections for Governors, attorney generals and mayors.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 12:01 AM

Watch his twitter feed for his incoherent rants. A lot of people voted when they were asked by friends (I made that request myself) and are now seeing the effect.

As a side note, if you have never read Babbitt, this 95 year old novel is remarkably prescient for today's political climate. I'm rereading it right now. Talk about passing one text over another!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 01:57 AM

This article was emailed to me today. I think it makes a lot of sense.

Trump's neo-Puritan theology of us and them
By Mark Silk | November 6, 2017 (Religion News Service)

The Puritans who colonized Massachusetts possessed a Calvinist theology of "us and them." We were the saved whose society would be godly. They were those God had predestined to damnation.

It wasn't easy for the Puritans to keep their communities pure, but Lord knows they tried.

Dissenters like Ann Hutchinson and Roger Williams were run off to Rhode Island. Catholic priests were banned. And when a few Quakers showed up, they were hanged or whipped from town to town out of the colony.

Four centuries later, a neo-Puritan theology of "us and them" is how Donald Trump proposes to make America great again.

Hostility to those beyond the Judeo-Christian pale - Muslims - was central to his presidential campaign, and has motivated his successive travel bans. His signature campaign issue was a wall to keep out illegal immigrants, and he has ratcheted up efforts to expel those who are already here.

So when a Muslim immigrant drives a truck through a crowd in lower Manhattan, the president calls the man a degenerate animal, entertains the idea of shipping him to Guantanamo, tells prosecutors to seek the death penalty, and casts blame on weak immigration laws.

But when a white Air Force veteran shoots up a church in Texas with an assault rifle, there's no talk from the president of animals or demands for the death penalty or, God forbid, the need for stricter gun laws.

"This isn't a guns situation," Trump said at a news conference in Tokyo. "This is a mental health problem at the highest level. It's a very, very sad event."

When their children and grandchildren manifested less commitment to the religious program than their forebears, the Massachusetts Puritans devised a 'half-way covenant' to keep them in the fold. So too does our neo-Puritan president find a way to maintain the illusion of "us and them" against the evidence of our eyes.

And of course, Trump says it isn't an appropriate time to talk about gun control. I think there's no doubt the Texas killer had mental health problems. There's not much we could have done about those problems, but I believe his actions would have been far less tragic if he had not been able to buy an assault rifle.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: gillymor
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 04:30 AM

Donal Dumbass made, or probably regurgitated the argument, that if we limit access to assault rifles the barefoot hero in Texas might not have been able to stop the killer. So, final score-
Bad guy 26, Good guy 1

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:26 AM

cartoon: After millions of Koreans are reduced to radioactive ash Trump says " This is not a nuke thing, it is a mental health thing"



Women made all the difference in the Trump backlash votes by almost 0% margins.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 06:56 AM

cartoon:Hillary promotes new second book 'What Really Happened part II'

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:17 AM

I'm seeing headlines portraying the man who shot at the Texas terrorist as a hero by the NRA (he is a member). Duh.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump is a one trick pony
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 08:24 AM

He was an NRA instructor however while his shots did strike the body armor of the mass shooter, the mass shooter shot himself.
but point taken.