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Subject: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 05:40 AM

I could order Martin strings (coated) two dozen srts at a time - getting a good discount


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Stu
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 05:54 AM

So it's OK to joke about the abuse of women? I pray there is a cultural reference here I am misconstruing.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 05:59 AM

At first I thought this issue was going to be a tabloidistic Hollywood celebrity bubble thing. I?m really glad to see how it?s becoming an issue that?s highlighting something a lot more widespread and about which there is nowhere near enough outrage.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 06:32 AM

i love the way there is never a shred of scepticism.

this is an industry where images of women are routinely bartered down to the lowest common denominator. One suspects they teach that at script writing school.

most hollywood women made their deal with the devil - accepting its gross standards many years before they get to meet someone as important as Weinstein.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 06:33 AM

Outrage? I'm afraid this is an extremely complicated subject with its roots in the type of society we have become.

I have been talking to a friend who managed popular music performers in the seventies and eighties, and he tells another different tale.
Sex, as all women know can be an extremely potent weapon.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 06:47 AM

Sorry Al cross posted, but I'm afraid your writing contains too much common sense and truth to be widely accepted here.

Prepare for the onslaught.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 06:53 AM

So you?re saying that all women have sex in their armoury as a potent weapon. Shows how much you know about sex. Of course, you?ve demonstrated that here many times before.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:06 AM

So you want to be an ingénue Big Al?

A Weinstein apologist right here on Mudcat?

The only reason there are such creatures like Cosby apologists, or Harvey the Hut supporters is because they are either envious of sex abusers or harbor deep seated hatred.

While innocent until proven guilty I would wear gloves when they DNA test that casting couch.

the word plaything sums up the authors attitude toward his prey.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:21 AM

nah! its not that. its just all so weird.

Someone says -oh yeh! he's well known for it. the stories are legion. Could you get to the point where you're pitching a script and not know of his reputation.

Then someone else comes on all Doris Day - - oh gosh gee! you don't really want me to do that...

And the you have people like Alan Parker says - my working week is criss crossing continents begging people to fund my films..
And there's this guy supposedly doling out money from his office in Hollywood.

If you don't smell a rodent in the machine.....


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:28 AM

There was a lot of hypocritical virtue signalling at the Oscars from people who knew about this but chose to collude in the conspiracy of silence.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:40 AM

You see hypocritical virtue in the silence surrounding spousal abuse.

If your focus is abuse you might agree with accusers, if your focus is a different agenda you might agree with Al.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:41 AM

There's a lot of hypocrisy in general anout this. While this is an extreme example, I hope, which of us did not think this sort of thing happened?


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:44 AM

"So you?re saying that all women have sex in their armoury as a potent weapon. Shows how much you know about sex. Of course, you?ve demonstrated that here many times before."

Well Steve I didn't actually say that, but your remarks indicate that you have very little understanding of human nature.
Sex to males is primarily a driver of behaviour, to most women sex is a means to an end. This applies to all animals not just humans.
I could go on to discuss this subject at length, but I doubt the thread will last another couple of hours. I can give many examples none of which would attempt to excuse rape or forced sexual intercourse, the law must be upheld even against natural urges..


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:47 AM

A rather cynical quote from Evita:

There is noone, noone at all
Never has been, and never will be a lover, male or female
Who hasn't an eye on, in fact they rely on
Tricks they can try on their partner
They're hoping their lover will help them or keep them
Support them, promote them
Don't blame them, you're the same


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:49 AM

"
You see hypocritical virtue in the silence surrounding spousal abuse.

If your focus is abuse you might agree with accusers, if your focus is a different agenda you might agree with Al."

Could you please explain this Don, your precise meaning is unclear.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Stu
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:59 AM

"most hollywood women made their deal with the devil"

Blaming the victim? That's big of you, and not untypical of the old white mysoginist we seem to lumbered with in our society, and who seem to proliferate on this forum these days. Reprehensible.



"Sex to males is primarily a driver of behaviour, to most women sex is a means to an end."

You do talk some utter shite. It's this sort of unreconstructed and ignorant nastiness that is to blame for this debacle. This is really not nice even by your lowest homophobic, facist standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 08:00 AM

So ake, the man who refuses to accept that homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone else, who does not believe that people should be able to find work where they chose, who has no idea of the concept of real equality, who lumps groups of people together as stereotypes and does not have a clue what most people are saying most of the time, accuses someone else of not understanding human nature.

How long can this pantomime go on?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Kampervan
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 08:12 AM

Give me strength!
Someone demanding from, or someone offering sex to, any unwilling person in return for favour is reprehensible and both should be condemned.
However to condemn a person for failing to report an incident is totally wrong because, as history shows, it can be more costly to be an innocent, wronged party than it is to be the wrongdoer.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:02 AM

oh well.. at least Emma Thompson was talking well informed sense on this subject on the telly this morning..


https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/12/emma-thompson-harvey-weinstein-no-sex-addict-predator


Weinstein is an archetypal power abusing slimy shite bully...

see him on the news yesterday.. "oooh... I've been a very naughty boy.. you've gotta give me a second chance..."

pathetic...!!!

Even before these public accusations, his arbitrary vindictive interference with creative movie making and Director's cuts is legendary...

Harvey Scissorhands they call him... snip snip snip..
until a movie is dumbed down and short enough for an 13 yer old American boy

and from now on Harvey Wanderinghands... grope grope grope..
he is a nasty big fat old man with the mind and level of empathy of a 13 year old boy...


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:13 AM

As I have said before, this is an extremely complicated problem pertaining to how we have allowed society to evolve.
Sex is used everywhere to promote commodities, pornography abounds, latest figures point to a very large rise in sexual offences on children, by children.
Our social structure has been allowed to deteriorate to such an extent that traditional families are mocked and the cult of the individual promoted regardless of the effects on our society.
Parents to a large extent have been forced to abdicate responsibility for their children due to pressure from "social media".

We are reaping what we have sown.
My friend in the record business tells me that it was virtually impossible to escape the attentions of young women who "just wanted to sleep with someone famous", he says that in many cases these are the people who have appeared lately seeking hundreds of thousands of pounds in recompense for "historic abuse"

Setting aside rape or forced sex, there is not a man worthy of the name who has not complimented or made a pass at an attractive woman.
In my limited experience woman like to be complimented and prove their attractiveness .....its human nature.

It's getting to the point where the sexes will be kept apart to avoid "indecency".....that is where humanity breaks down and the horrific spectre of AI takes over.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:16 AM

Why isn't anybody talking about the staffers who used to bring him the women, and then leave them alone?


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:21 AM

I always know what you are saying Dave, what makes you say it and what you are.

Get your arse back where you belong and don't bring your thread closing shit on onto this one.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:25 AM

See what I mean?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Stu
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:33 AM

In my limited experience woman like to be complimented and prove their attractiveness"

It's quite obvious that your experience with women is limited. Not really interested, are you love?


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Kampervan
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:35 AM

Akenaton
I am a moderate reasonable person who tries to avoid the excesses of some of the postings on this forum, but you really go too far.

To try and excuse what HW did on the basis that - as you state -

'there is not a man worthy of the name who has not complimented or made a pass at an attractive woman.'

Is ridiculous. You're saying that a compliment cannot be paid without it being it being an implied - 'please have sex with me' is both wrong and insulting; and suggests to me that your social values are suspect- to say the least.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:52 AM

No Kampervan, I don't excuse Weinstein's behaviour, no sensible person could do that. The discussion has evolved to what causes this sort of behaviour in society.....the huge rise in sexual offences by children is a symptom.
To compliment or make a pass is not a request to have sex. but to determine if your attraction is reciprocated.

Your conclusion that it is a blatant request for sex, makes your social values "rather suspect"....if you don't mind me saying?


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:55 AM

Again, see what I mean?


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:57 AM

There is not a man worthy of the name who has not complimented or made a pass at an attractive woman.

I am, then, happy to be a man not worthy of the name.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:30 AM

Is that true "d" you've never complimented an attractive woman??


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:42 AM

It is a matter of phraseology, to some extent. I have never been in a bar (etc) and thought "there is an attractive woman" and made a move. This is because I am drawn to complete people first - their temperament, attitudes, intellectual and emotional character, their likes and dislikes and all the rest. So I have always genuinely got to know them as people first over a fairly long time. That they were physically attractive has always been lower on the scale for me than whether they were attractive as people. Some of course were also physically attractive. As for complementing people it is not something I do lightly, so the complements I have given have always been genuine and to people who were friends already, not pickup lines for strangers.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:53 AM

Maybe we need a new separate thread "Tried and tested mudcatter pick up lines"...


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:56 AM

Yes I see your point I know literally hundreds of people who have become friends and acquaintances over the years and I feel no embarrassment in telling them how nice they look or how well they look and it is always genuine and always appreciated
Of course I would not address a complete stranger in that way.

Someone up above remarked that "this is not a game", I think it was Steve, but relations between the sexes ARE in many ways a game and females are as often the "cat" as the "mouse" :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 10:58 AM

that's how it goes...patron of the arts one week


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:03 AM

I would also suggest that we are of a "certain age" and in our youth may not have been quite so circumspect?


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:11 AM

I said that in a different thread about an entirely different matter. Why don?t you check your facts?

I?m with DMcG a hundred percent. It simply isn?t in my DNA to make a gratuitous pass or pay a gratuitous compliment on the basis of someone?s appearance and it never has been. I think you should speak for yourself instead of making silly remarks along the lines of ?there is not a man worthy of the name...?.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:14 AM

I would also suggest that we are of a "certain age" and in our youth may not have been quite so circumspect?

Oh, believe me, I was circumspect, and all my University friends would agree.

A little story from when I was around 15. Several of us were going for a drive and I was in the back seat, with Siobahn sitting between me and her (male) cousin. After a while we asked me why when we turned a corner to the left she fell over me, but when we turned the opposite way I did not fall over her .....
















... so I gave her a lecture on Newton's equations for motion in a circle.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:15 AM

I'm probably one of the few mudcatters actually younger than Weinstein;
and since the late 1970s my generation was educated sufficiently
for many of us to loathe vile repulsive power broker men like him..

..not to admire or want to be like him...


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:20 AM

There must be many very relieved women in Bude Steve.

"D" You made me laugh out loud! well done. :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Acme
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:25 AM


Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 09:21 AM

I always know what you are saying Dave, what makes you say it and what you are.

Get your arse back where you belong and don't bring your thread closing shit on onto this one.


Ake, you single-handedly have killed more threads than I care to count because of your wrong-headed view of the world and changing the subjects when you don't like the original topic. Don't start suggesting anyone else can top your predatory trolling.




You don't excuse Weinstein, but you blame the women. Convenient. Women use sex to get what they want, you say. It's their tool. Bullshit. Sex in non-romantic settings is way more complicated that just "a tool."

Do you and others in this thread know the difference circumstances between a woman initiating sex or not initiating sex? That she has free will? There are many types of sexual experiences described in this thread that somehow are supposed to clarify or explain or excuse women's behavior and women's responses to the unwelcome attention of Harvey Weinstein. What Weinstein did was predatory and was sexual assault or rape when it was unwanted. He wasn't letting women exercise their free will, he was cornering them. THEY HAD TO ESCAPE.

Lots of people knew - and their careers hung in the balance if they spoke out. Harvey seems to have carefully selected young women who, whether or not they had a recognizable name yet, had little experience of Hollywood, who didn't know what he was up to. Who didn't have the worldly experience to shut him down with a look or an angry word - or a kick to the nuts. Those who found out the hard way warned others, but speaking out or filing charges would have stopped careers in their tracks because of the legal challenges Weinstein would have brought. Bury them in lawsuits.

Other threads have tried to turn this into politics, or drag in men famous for their dalliances. There are opportunists and there are predators, and as unhappy as the outcome of the exposed opportunist relationships are, don't tangle them with this. Weinstein carefully selected his victims, isolated them from others by inviting them to a private place, then tried to get what he wanted. Sex addict or not, he victimized a lot of women and now, like the fallout after the Cosby case finally gained momentum, women feel able to finally come forward and point fingers at Weinstein. It's a real shitstorm for him, one he has deserved for a long time.

The thread may have been started with an attempt at humor, but it isn't something that I or many others can laugh about. Instead, it gives us pause - how can someone be so many things at once. Like Cosby, in the entertainment world Weinstein achieved great things. He funded a lot of wonderful films. Part of his brain was working in a positive and generous direction. Cosby was a role model for generations, yet look at the wretched backstory of drugging and raping women. With their places in the business and the society, they didn't need to do that - as the conversation alluded to - there are women who would have been interested in them simply because of their positions in society, because of their power. The part of their brains that determined they needed to stalk women is sick. Is criminal. And isn't a laughing matter. This is also not an invitation to change the subject with comparisons.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:33 AM

The "sisterhood" has spoken!

No one is excusing Weinstein but this story is bigger than him.

Did you look at what Dave wrote?   Or what Campin wrote?
They all still stand.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Acme
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 11:45 AM

Fuck your sisterhood talk, Ake. Don't dismiss or compartmentalize my opinion as different because I'm a woman. Women band together to oppose cretins like Weinstein because they have to, they have similar experience and understanding. But because they're women doesn't make it less valid or something to take into account.

That's the point here. Like you did just now, setting aside a woman's voice, he was able to separate these women from the general population and victimize them. More and more men get it and have joined the movement to convict men like Cosby and Weinstein for their criminal acts. Don't separate my opinion from Dave's or Kampervan's or Steve or the others (men or unknown gender) who have spoken against his acts. You'd best go hunt up Lindsay Lohan and give her some pointers on how she can continue to support her pal Harvey.

And as I said, this is NOT an invitation to change the subject by throwing in all sorts of other cases.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 12:51 PM

I wish to second what Acme has said, mostly. But Harvey Weinstein was not actually even as good as that. I had, over the years, a number of negotiations with Miramax, some with Harvey personally, and I knew one of his preferred lawyers in the UK quite well, and Harvey was a slippery bathmat who let nothing stand in the way of getting what he wanted and was perfectly happy to shit all over his brother.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Acme
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 01:10 PM

The avuncular face he showed the world has been peeled away, that's for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 01:11 PM

Well said Acme. Far more polite than I would have been.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 02:01 PM

It must be great to never be bemused by life and always have a cliche-ed formulaic response to the strange things that happen.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 02:32 PM

"best hunt up Lindsey" HAHAHAHA

rock on rockpunk, DMcG good points.

loosely related is our reaction to beauty. Sayings like beauty is in eye of the beholder , beauty is as beauty does, beauty is skin deep all fall flat on their face when we encounter True beauty.
Maybe it is a once in a lifetime sunset cloud or a five second glimpse of someone but whatever beauty it is , we instantly crystalize a lifelong memory. The effect of beauty can be overwhelming.

While we may become overwhelmed we need not chase that beauty like a junkie after an addiction fix. That would cheapen the beauty. I don't think I have described these special life events very well. Maybe it is just a subtle part of simply being civilized.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Stu
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 05:22 AM

"The thread may have been started with an attempt at humor, but it isn't something that I or many others can laugh about."

Well said Acme. The arrogance and misogyny on display in this thread is a disgrace, but you'll never convince these old overprivileged white men with a sense of entitlement and almost staggering lack of empathy and humility.

I see the effect people like Weinstein have had in academia, the workplace and in pubs and it's never good. It's a form of oppression that women have had to put up with since the "time immemorial" (to quote Emma Thompson) and the oppressors like to use nasty tricks like blaming the victim to cover their predatory nature, lack of respect or self-control.

The next generation is where our hope lies in building a more tolerant and progressive society, not these old wankers. The more I read from them, the more I am glad I'm not like them but I have hope; we've come a long way in the last few years and despite their efforts to hold us back they won't stop us. Fuck them.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 06:27 AM

The trouble with you Stu is you're not very observant.

You are the oppressor. You are inflicting your set of views without taking any account of what is in front of you, and to top it - you are abusing other people on this site, with you narrow judgemental mindset.

Look at the Emma Thompsons and Jane Fondas. Intelligent women - but they have bought into the Dream Factory aesthetic, with its body fascism, nips and tucks, needless surgery, utter bollocks scripts, re-written history. body and soul - they bought into. beat more talented actors to the punch - even when it involved marrying men they didn't love. that's what they wanted to do - that's what they achieved.

to suggest that they lived in an industry town like Hollywood. I talked with JIm Broadbent the week after he'd won his Oscar. He said they're all barking mad there.

And you suggest that last week, they knew nothing about Weinstein. This week - the lynch party is in full cry and they've already thrown the rope over the branch, as Lenny Bruce said about Eichman - they were shaving his leg before they even got him to Israel.

Look at the picture of the latest lovely to denounce Weinstein. There she is smiling sunnily and grasping Weistein's arm.....

Does she look like or sound like any traumatised rape victim you've ever seen on a police procedural?

For Godsake - just occasionally give your predjudices and tendencies to judgementalism a rest. Listen an LOOK at what is actually being said. And that doesn't only go for Stu!


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Stu
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 06:49 AM

"You are the oppressor."

Give over you tart.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 08:19 AM

sorry stu!

what i mean. its so WEIRD.

you know what Oscar Wilde said - the unspeakable in full pursuit of the inedible...talking of fox hunting.

The morally indefensible in high moral dudgeon. dudgeoning away, cos its the thing to do this week.

its foreign country - they do things differently.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 08:33 AM

"its foreign country - they do things differently."

Debauched predatory abusing bullies like Weinstein [allegedly] are universal...
There may be women among them, but it's always mostly been men...

Simple rule in life...
Distrust any individual who needs to actively gain & exercise power over all others...


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 10:03 AM

"Distrust any individual who needs to actively gain & exercise power over all others... "

I apologise PFR you're obviously a bloody sict more observant than I gave you credit for..:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: robomatic
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 11:28 AM

"He wants to be a producer
Pinch our cheeks 'til we cry ouch, eek, ooh, oh, ahh, yes
He wants to be a producer
With a great big casting couch"


I'm sure the casting couch is as old as Aeschylus. . .

. . . or the couch


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 06:32 PM

'simple rule in life...
Distrust any individual who needs to actively gain & exercise power over all others...'


isn't that everybody? teachers, policemen, performers, politicians,


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 11:39 PM

Big Al titles the thread: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything. I'm still trying to imagine this....


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 17 - 02:12 AM

One starlet who admits she was willingly "abused" said when she went to his room in a see through bathrobe Harvey was naked hanging upside down from his knees on a pull up bar. "Its amazing how he looked identical with his genitals in place of his face and his face looking like his genitals".


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Oct 17 - 04:44 AM

Hey, Stu. The next generation is where our hope lies in building a more tolerant and progressive society, not these old wankers.

I am pretty sure I know what you are referring to but you need to be a bit more clinical in your attacks. Not all us old white men are either overprivilaged or lack empathy. There are many on here who still seethe with frustration at the lack of progress made since our angry young man days of the 60s. Sadly we have had another generation of angry young men since and there is still little change. I, and many others, happily stand shoulder to shoulder with those who want to see fairness and equality but sadly there are those who are too selfish to see the global picture.

Let's carry on the fight, but just make sure we know who the enemy is!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Oct 17 - 11:13 AM

the bigwigs at the Kremlin had a terrible reputation for sexually abusing the young women who worked there.

I don't think sexual abuse is confined to one economic system, or particularly a function of liberal capitalist societies Ake.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Oct 17 - 11:22 AM

Oh, when you get to the Soviets you will find that sexual abuse there was off the charts. . .

Why do you think women were in the Soviet military during the Great Patriotic War.

It is more a feature of unmoderated power than economic system, but unmoderated power is a feature of Communist run (one-party) States.

I enjoyed SNL last night, as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Oct 17 - 11:32 AM

Harvey the Hut was told to take a flying leap he is officially fired. His last movie was the bomb called Leap.


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 03:59 AM

If the is any good can come out of this it seems to have raised awareness of abuse and the conditions that underlie it. Thousands and thousands of women are coming forward on the #MeToo campaign and it makes me sad that even in these circumstances we still have the dinosaurs that seem to believe that it is somehow the fault of the victims or that women enjoy unwanted attention.

Can I make a plea to everyone on here to make sure that there are no longer any misogynistic (or mysandric!) posts on here. If you see any, report them to the moderation team and I am sure they will be deleted.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: robomatic
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 06:55 AM

I wish to take a stand that no one who posts anywhere anytime ever write anything bad ever again and would the moderators please make sure this is duly enforced.
. . .
And when the internet time machine is online would the responsible parties please clean up all past mis-statements mischaracterizations, fake news reports and instances of poor thought, poor taste, poor hygiene, poor grammar*, and bad spelling (using the proper authoritative resource and not casting aspersions on legitimate alternative spellings).



*and poor grandma


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:09 AM

now that is what I call a wicked sense of humour Robomatic....


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 07:16 AM

Go for it robomatic. there are no truer words.
I have always enjoyed flirting with the bizarre which surely would be the first thing deleted.

Mods have done an exemplary job as of late. Perhaps better than ever.

But Dave cleaning up one side of a conversation is a bad idea that can lead to sterile nonsense.

In economics if you remove the irrationality of human behavior you end up with nonsense models that don't work


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Oct 17 - 10:03 AM

I agree, Donuel, but in this case we are not talking about cleaning up one side of the conversation. We are talking about ensuring people are treated considerately regardless of gender. Or anything else for that matter.

And Robo - The internet time machine is already online! Trouble is, it can plant as much fake news and bad Grandmas as it removes. Good post all the same.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: if I'd been Weinstein's sexual plaything
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Oct 17 - 12:48 PM

@;c)@


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