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Subject: My theory From: Emmie Date: 18 Dec 99 - 12:22 PM I have only recently got back into the mudcat (phone bills aaaagh!!) and I could not fail to notice the effect "Gargoyle" has on lots of people. I was wondering if Gargoyle and the gargoyle hunter were the same person. Seems like it to me anyway, as I say I am new and I get the feeling that I may be missing out on a joke or something. Emmie |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: katlaughing Date: 18 Dec 99 - 03:20 PM Emmie, no joke and I can assure you they are not the same person. Best thing to do is what Big Mick opines, that is to totally ignore; failing that, bless and release, IMO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Emmie Date: 18 Dec 99 - 04:09 PM ok, will do. Emmie xxx |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Lyle Date: 18 Dec 99 - 10:20 PM I have never been able to figure out what so many people have against Gargoyle. I think there are only two people here that I have NEVER disagreed with (nor will I) and those are Art T and Frank H. When they speak, I listen! They've been there - I've only observed from a distance. The rest? Like good friends, we may sometimes have different viewpoints - but that does not mean I'll ignor them! And if you read ALL the postings of Gargoyle, you will find a *lot* of well thought out, reasoned views. So I hope everybody (1) keeps posting, (2) respects divergent views, and (3) has a GREAT holiday season! Lyle
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: _gargoyle Date: 18 Dec 99 - 10:30 PM Welcome Back, Ahhh....noticing, wondering, and feeling are all good things... however they must also be combined with reason, logic, and thought.
You have my assurance that I have not been chasing my own tail.
But, if you think in a REFRESHING frame you may find your source.
No doubt, by posting a reply, I will be permanetly branded a BS advocate it does have its place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: DonMeixner Date: 18 Dec 99 - 11:18 PM Hi Emmie Gee, I have always viewed the Gargoyle as one of the loyal opposition. Unless I agree with him which makes him the valued ally. And we agree as often as we differ. Thats the nature of debate. Fight like hell, kick ass take names, and part fiends. Don |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:36 AM Hey, Gargoyle: a bit of tail twisting--watch the run-on sentences (they're errors even whispered). --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Benjamin Date: 19 Dec 99 - 01:16 AM I haven't noticed Gargoyle's affect your talking about. I don't read every thread though (some are just too long). Honestly, I agree with Lyle. Respect everyones view point! In the short time I've been here, and limited posts I've made, I've had my share of disagreements. But you have to respect that your not the only person and your view point isn't the only legit way to think.
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: MandolinPaul Date: 19 Dec 99 - 01:29 AM Mine is...and the sooner y'all accept that, the better we'll get along. Paul |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: katlaughing Date: 19 Dec 99 - 02:03 AM Bless & Release and know that I am not the Hunter! Oh, and Paul? Sure!!*BG* |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: katlaughing Date: 19 Dec 99 - 02:13 AM Lyle & Benjamin, Obviously neither of you have had the pleasure of being the object of the vicious personal attacks, as other Mudcatters have. It has nothing to do with divergent opinions; it has everything to do with how those are expressed. katwhoonlyhuntsvirtualmice
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:24 PM I've got this theorymyself - there are really a whole bunch of people signing on an gargoyle. There's the one that says sensible things from time to time.
And there's a whole bunch of other people who, any time they want to say something nasty about anyone sign in an gargoyle. Or alternatively as gargoyle hunter.
So let's just assume any nasty comments come from the fraudsters? And ignore them. And hope they go away. And A Merry Christmas to the fella that gets blamed for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: paddymac Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:37 PM Hmmm. I suspect that one who names himself after a fearsome stone monster might not be burdened with a perpetual smile. That does not, however, mean that he has a heart of stone (or such a head, for that matter). I know full well that I am not a perfect one, and I try to give others the freedom to be likewise imperfect. Besides, there needs to be room in the world, real or virtual, for all manner of divergent personas. They make life interesting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: The Gargoyle Hunter Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:52 PM paddy and McGrath, if somebody else were using my handle - my real one, that is - I would be screaming bloody murder. I've heard no such screams from the gargoyle.
I tend to believe that the gargoyle is one person who just gets bored once in a while and decides to hurl abuse for his amusement. I've ignored him in the past, as most do, but have recently decided that silence can be read as support. If we were all sitting in a pub and somebody insulted one of us periodically throughout our conversations, who would ignore him? Who would tell him to bugger off? Who would kick his ass?
I've never been attacked by the gargoyle, but his behavior pisses me off. Is he really trying to provoke a response? - and should therefore be ignored - or is he enjoying being the schoolyard bully - and therefore needs nine kinds of shit kicked out of him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: The Gargoyle Hunter Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:53 PM paddy and McGrath, if somebody else were using my handle - my real one, that is - I would be screaming bloody murder. I've heard no such screams from the gargoyle.
I tend to believe that the gargoyle is one person who just gets bored once in a while and decides to hurl abuse for his amusement. I've ignored him in the past, as most do, but have recently decided that silence can be read as support. If we were all sitting in a pub and somebody insulted one of us periodically throughout our conversations, who would ignore him? Who would tell him to bugger off? Who would kick his ass?
I've never been attacked by the gargoyle, but his behavior pisses me off. Is he really trying to provoke a response? - and should therefore be ignored - or is he enjoying being the schoolyard bully - and therefore needs nine kinds of shit kicked out of him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: The Gargoyle Hunter Date: 19 Dec 99 - 12:56 PM Hmm. An echo. I forgot to say, all of the Hunter posts have only been posted by me. Happy holidays. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Jon Freeman Date: 19 Dec 99 - 01:26 PM I have a theory that this thread is best left to die. I wish it hadn't started in the first place but if there was any doubt, I think it is now clear that gargoyle and the gargoyle hunter are different people so the original suggestion has been answered. I feel that to continue this thread can only end up as a disussion over gargoyle and I think that can only lead to unnecessary unpleasantness. If anyone objects to gargoyle's (or any other) postings, they can reply to them in the thread concerned. Jon |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 19 Dec 99 - 01:32 PM Gargoyle Hunter, you have that right--but I'd rather you didn't become that which you attack. Express your disfavor but remember that we all read your posts as well, and even well-intentioned vitriol eats at one's gut. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Date: 19 Dec 99 - 03:13 PM Given the odd hours of his postings he appears to be multiple and in different parts of the world. Also, one is more educated and accurate than the other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Benjamin Date: 19 Dec 99 - 04:13 PM Kat I had plenty of personal attacks in that WTO thread. It seemed as only attacks were being posted after I posted until Alphafem came in and saw that there really is a whole other side. I remember one other person saying he respected Alpha and my view as well as everyone elses. Then it turned to an attack on the media with WyoWoman trying to defend it. I know I wished people respected my view when they were putting words in my mouth like "so you support the WTO" or "You support Police Brutality." I don't think it was how I stated my view (I could be wrong) people just but words in my mouth. People think differently as we have different backgrounds and experience (some less than others). We all have the right to think, we should all get respect for thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: wildlone Date: 19 Dec 99 - 04:26 PM speaking as one who has been taken to task for somthings that I have posted {not just by GG I hasten to add}.And have been defended by others at MC some of us read things into posts that were never intended. I usually read a post twice before answering. IMO I dont want to see this thread turning into a personal attack on anyone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: katlaughing Date: 19 Dec 99 - 08:49 PM Benjamin, I would strongly urge you to do a forum search on GG's name and read some of the postings he has made; his vitriol got him kicked out of here once. It also prompted people like Big Mick, one of our most kindly and venerated members, to decide to totally ignore him and quit trying to reach out to him. The kind of personal attacks and stalking through the threads I am talking about are far different from what happened on the WTO thread. As far as respect goes, most of us give a person the benefit of the doubt; when a line is crossed, they have to earn that respect and so far that hasn't happened. Since I am a nationally published columnist I am well aware of such things as different viewpoints, backgrounds, and ways of thinking. That does NOT mean I have to be pleasant to a misogynistic sicko who takes pleasure in scatter-shots of hate throughout the threads. And, now I am sure he is sitting there laughing his ass off, because once again, he is the center of attention and has us arguing about him. Sorry, Mick, darlin, I shouldn't have broken the pledge. And that is the last I have to say on a sorry subject, other than bless him and release him on his way. kat |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Margo Date: 20 Dec 99 - 12:31 AM I'm sorry, guys. I am one who doesn't find Gargoyle terribly insulting. He/she says some really off the wall things sometimes, and without the benefit of seeing body language or hearing tone of voice, I can see where it comes across badly. Yes, I have seen some very odd postings by Gargoyle, but mostly I just don't get him/her. I frequently change or delete some of the things I write because after re-reading them, I think they might look awfully strange. Oh, you Gargoyle haters may find me to be the devil's advocate in this case, but I think it's good to bear in mind the difficulties of communicating like this without the benefits of visual and auditory input.....Margo |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:03 PM I recently negotiated a peace treaty with Gargoyle, one which allows both of us to tweak the other's nose from time to time. Actually, I should point out that Gargoyle made the first direct move, although I had been trying to point out occasions where his mere presence in a thread was interpreted by others as hostile activity. I actually saw what seemed an offer to end hostilities with you, Kat--in the mistletoe thread. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I have a feeling that peace is at hand for those who will grasp for it. --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:08 PM What annoys me are the unsigned posts. Apart from anything else, they are confusing, especially where you get two different unsigned people posting in a thread. And any really nasty one tends to be taken as a gurgle anyway. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:25 PM Well personally, I'd like to apologize to the garg for coming back to the 'Cat as I see he wished me a pleasant death when I left for a few days. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Benjamin Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:27 PM It sounds like I haven't seen the worst of it. I agree that you don't have like a "misogynistic siko who takes who takes scatter-shots of hate through out threads" I don't like that either. Honestly, it sounds like what your talking about is a different level. I'm just talking about two completely different view points clashing. Sounds like G.G. just wanted to be argumentive and abusive towards other posters. I agree you don't have to respect that. Just other peoples legitament thoughts and views on isues. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Bert Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:40 PM Hi Spaw, glad to see you back. Hope you got everything resolved. It takes more than someone wishing it to get rid of you don't it! Bert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:51 PM Hey Bert!!! Glad you remember me(:<)) Yeah, its true......I ain't so easy to get rid of, but at least Peter had a few days without the stupid heron! (And things are fine..thanks!) Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Lonesome EJ Date: 20 Dec 99 - 04:02 PM I am not against _gargoyle, or any one else in the Forum. I am, however, against mean-spiritedness for it's own sake,whether cloaked in the guise of humor or launched as a naked attack. People who consistently behave in that manner tend to be ostracized by the members of any peer-group, and the occasional civil statement that comes from them tends to be ignored or doubted. It seems to me that tolerance for others with whom you may disagree coupled with a modicum of human sensitivity should be a way of behaving that we all can live by in the Forum as in life. Those who repeatedly violate this rule tend to GET what they Give. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Margo Date: 20 Dec 99 - 05:00 PM Here here, LEJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Benjamin Date: 20 Dec 99 - 06:21 PM Put VERY well EJ! I believe we can all agree on that! |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: katlaughing Date: 20 Dec 99 - 06:37 PM My dear LeeJ, that last paragraph, esp. should be posted at the top of the forum for all who come here to read. Well said, as ever! luvyaKat |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Dec 99 - 08:10 PM I'm sorry ......A modicum is not available, what with this being the Christmas season and all........But perhaps something in the ever popular soupcon size would suffice? Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Little Neophyte Date: 20 Dec 99 - 08:18 PM Welcome back Catspaw. It is not the same around here without you. I'm quietly sitting in the back of the Court House knitting while I read each post of this Thread. BB |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bbelle Date: 20 Dec 99 - 08:29 PM For heaven's sake ... I cannot believe someone began another thread on his majesty. It takes up space and serves no purpose. If you have questions regarding the subject, do a forum search. Let this subject die ... moonchild PS 'spaw ... glad to see you back in the land of the living ... moon |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Dec 99 - 09:11 PM Ah, but how do you do a forum search on someone who leaves their name blank? |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Rick Fielding Date: 21 Dec 99 - 01:37 AM Yup McGrath, that "blank" mudcatter has rung up quite a score in the year that I've been here. One of the interesting things about a transitory community like Mudcat is that people or issues that flourished 6 months ago are just not a factor in the postings of someone who came on board 2 months ago. One really good aspect of that is it tends to lessen the influence of small groups of people. 'Course Max remains as the "Once and Future King"! Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 21 Dec 99 - 12:50 PM But who's the king now, Fielding? Hay-soos! You're a subject of the empire but you don't know that that description of Arthur places him in the past (antedecession) and future (postreincarnation) but not in that gloomy, benighted (deknighted) period in between. Now he's just dead, and I sincerely hope and believe that Max the Great, the past, present, and future king, is currently yet gracing the planet. Gawd, why'd I get so tensed-up over the musings of someone with nothing better to do with his glorious talent than write paeans (however catchy) to a possum-ass-kisser? --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Dec 99 - 12:56 PM Geeziz Seed.....That was beautifully written! The fact that I have no idea what you said does not in the least deter me from expressing my admiration. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Áine Date: 21 Dec 99 - 01:10 PM Do y'all wanna know what MY theory is? Do ya?? MY theory is that 'Spaw and 'Seed should get their act together and take it On The Road! I can't think of any better replacements for Crosby & Hope than you two! Can you both dance? And which one of you gets the girl in the end of movie? Well, I see we'll have to audition you two for that -- OK, one at a time -- give us your best 'ba-ba-ba-boo'. Yep, that's what I thought -- 'Seed, the 'loverboy' part is yours. 'Spaw -- that means you get to kiss the camel. Now, now, I don't want to hear any gripeing about 'typecasting', either! Let's see -- which one of us 'Mudkittens' gets the sexy, shapely Girl on the Road part? Well, I think I'll leave that one between you two boys to settle -- and watch the fur fly! Luv ya both lots, Áine (P.S. -- Which one of you are going to write the 'Road' song? Whenever you get it done, send it in to The Mudcat Songbook, OK?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bbelle Date: 21 Dec 99 - 05:32 PM I volunteer to be the sexy, shapely girl on the road. I'm definitely sexy and shapely and I can even sing a note of two. Of course, shapely is only relative to age and prosperous girth and how grizzled one's partners are. But I can support a "mean" sarong and if all else fails (supporting the sarong, I mean) I can just hold my guitar in front of me ... moonchild ... who is basking in good cheer, the promise of peaceful prosperity, and bs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Rick Fielding Date: 21 Dec 99 - 05:46 PM I'll translate for you Catspaw. I think Seed feels I shouldn't have wasted banjo rolls on you in "Catspaw's Rag", and ya know what? He's probably right. After all, you WERE sick, and the alternate title could've been Catspaw Memorial Rag. But your well again now (well, physically anyway) so perhaps I sould re-title it for the next pressing. Hmmmmmm, how 'bout "Millenium Rag"? Might make a buck or two off it then. Oh wait a minute! "Mudcat Ramble" sounds good, and then I can get some airplay from Max. OH, OH, Batten down the hatches! Ducksass just looked over my shoulder and reminded me that before I wrote the 2nd part of it, she had suggested "Arncliffe Road" as a title. I think that's some little two wheel dirt path running through the town of Keithly Eng. where she spent a couple of years being laughed at for her Scottish accent. Course when she moved back to Glasgow, the kids laughed at her English accent. Oops, serious thread creep (which I've tried to avoid for quite a while). Now what WAS this thread about? Oh, who cares! Happy Holidays all. Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Rick Fielding Date: 21 Dec 99 - 05:53 PM Big Mistake! Heather (AKA Duckboots) informs me that I am NEVER to use that term again (even in jest), so I won't. By the way Moonchild, how's yer guitar case hunt goin'? Rick |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: MMario Date: 21 Dec 99 - 06:04 PM Rick's in trouble! Rick's in trouble! |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Dec 99 - 06:15 PM Nice try Ace, but it still is beautiful but meaningless to the dolt in me....actually the dolt is the majority shareholder. And Aine...Just because I take a few days off and Seed goes batcrap with the mistletoe, I end up kissing a friggin camel? Okay...I see your point, what with the possum's ass breath and all......... Now for the female lead.......The Moonchild is an obvious choice, but a casting call IS in order for some others. I mean, there is a nude scene and all so I.............say what?.......no nude scene huh?........This idea is going downhill............ Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: Alice Date: 21 Dec 99 - 06:46 PM THE ROAD TO MUDROCK-O We're off on the Road to Mudrock-o This camel is tough on the Spaw Where they're goin', why we're goin', how can we be sure I'll lay you eight to five that we'll meet Alice and harpgirl.
Off on the road to Mudrock-o
We're off on the road to Mudrock-o
Off on the road to Mudrock-o
We're off on the road to Mudrock-o
We're off on the road to Mudrock-o
Or, like a volume of Omar Khayyam that you buy in the
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Dec 99 - 07:11 PM You have the part Alice. ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!! What a job!!! Did you write it in the shower? Is RiB still in there? Just checking......In any case, ya done good!!! Spaw - I'd kiss you but the camel just slobbered all over me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: bseed(charleskratz) Date: 21 Dec 99 - 07:19 PM Spaw, is it my coinages that are givin' you so much trouble? antedecession is "before death," and postreincarnation, even you can figure that one out--if you have trouble, ask Banjer; benighted is in the dictionary, but means "unfortunate, living in darkness," deknighted is a coinage, created both because of the rhyme and to describe a time without heroes, i.e., the time post Morte d'Arthur but pre-reincarnation, in other words, the time we live in--actually, I'm using the phrase "without heroes" in an Arthurian sense; I don't think we are without heroes--the more time I live and the more time I meet people here, the more heroes I find, real honest-to-god ones. Crap. Now I'm gettin' all teared up... --seed |
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Subject: RE: BS: My theory From: catspaw49 Date: 21 Dec 99 - 07:38 PM You certainly have a way with words Seed. As someone who has trouble writing two meaningful sentences on "My Day at the Zoo"....I salute you. Now let's get down to brass tacks and the serious business of gettin' nekkid with Alice in the movie. Spaw |