Dodgy Artistic Licence?

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 05:05 AM

later on we'll conspire, as we dream by the fire

Merriom Webster - Rhyming of conspire IMNSHO there is only one rhyme that comes close in meaning and desire doesn't convey the sentiments needed. I find conspire to be not only fitting, but very very clever in saying more than that number of words would normally. It makes you remember it, so in that context it worked on the OP'er!

What about Carole King's "Call out my Name, you know wherever I am" - she could have said aim it is technically and emotionally apt, but would it be as powerful? The song is not sharp edged, precise - it is just there for you!

One man's (or manette) dodgy is another song-writers assonance. It softens the flow. Cole Porter had a different method, enjambment. He usually made the rhyme perfect, but put it before the end of the line (or meaning/pause for breath).

If the song hangs together it is art. If the rest of the song is clunky - OK - it is naff.
Ballad of Bonnie & Clyde (sung by Georgie Fame) Dewlap bag should have been Burlap bag and the songwriters realised after the record was released. People wrote in! But they needed a bag for the story and assumed that the mental picture they knew to be correct was actually not the right word. It was a good song, certainly a good singer singing it.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: Stu
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 03:55 AM

I've had my artistic licence revoked.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Mark Bluemel
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 03:53 AM

Tunesmith probably shouldn't look at any of Chris Difford's lyrics, clearly - try "Up The Junction", for starters.

Though I wonder... I remember many decades ago being shown how Louis MacNiece's "Bagpipe Music" was deliberately made up of bad/false rhymes (Blavatsky/Taxi etc) as a specific effect (like the dissonance of bagpipes) - perhaps Difford was doing the same.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 03:50 AM

I love dodgy rhyme when it is flagged as dodgy for me.

last month we had this in a song
,............ galoshes,
...............poshest.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,LynnH
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 03:31 AM

Rather dodgy artistic licence making a fine story than possibly boring pedantry.............
Where can apply for a DAL?

Lynn

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Oct 17 - 03:15 AM

Darn. I always liked "later on we'll conspire / as we dream by the fire." It conjures up thoughts of romantic, perhaps dangerous or maybe illicit adventures.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,nickp
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 01:47 PM

Although I understand the VBL didn't have keys for James to give Molly...

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 12:23 PM

"Dodgy Artistic Licence"... what ID do you need to provide to apply for one...???

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 12:21 PM

In answer to your last question - iPad by any chance?

D.

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 12:20 PM

The Black Lightning was a Vincent-HRD motorcycle first built in September 1948 at the Vincent works in Great North Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, UK, and produced from 1948 to 1952. At the time the Black Lightning was the fastest production motorcycle in the world.

Taken from this wiki page.

Mark Knopfler was born in Glasgow but raised in Newcastle so I think we can forgive his claiming other famous people as Geordies :-)

Perfect rhymes? One that always tickles me is by a master wordsmith and says

I left my cap in a public-house, my boots in the public road,
And Lord knows where, and I don't care, my belt and my tunic goed

I'll let you look up where it comes from :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 12:12 PM

Wow! Most of the speech marks have become question marks.
How did that happen?

Subject: Dodgy Artistic Licence?
From: GUEST,Tunesmith
Date: 23 Oct 17 - 12:10 PM

?Vincent Black Lightning 1952? is one of Richard Thompson?s most beloved songs but the only trouble with the song?s title is that the Vincent company did not make a 1952 model.
Is that ?artistic licence? a case of sloopy reseach or just a case of Richard liking the sound ?1952? and it giving him more rhyming options?
And take Mark Knopfler?s ?Sailing To Philadelphia?. In the song Mark has Charlie Mason ( as in the Mason-Dixon Line ) described as a ?Geordie Lad? when in fact he came from Durham. Again, is this dodgy artistic licence.
And, would the songwriters from the 20s/30s/40s have been so ?imprecise.
Of course, that breed of song lyricists were very precise in certain areas, and they demanded ?perfect rhymes?, but come the rock era all that disappeared.
Dylan, for example, rhymes ?man? and ?sand? in the first verse of ?Blowin? in the Wind? and he has been called the greatest lyric writer of the rock era.
However, those old songwriters did come up with some dodgy lyrics. For example, in ?Winter Wonderland? ( 1934 ) the use of the word ?conspire", as in the line ?later on we?ll conspire, as we dream by the fire?, is a poor choice of word and always makes me cringe.