BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Nov 17 - 03:44 PM

I had been talking about intuition...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Nov 17 - 06:25 AM

My experience of what I term "telepathy" involved real mental pain and anguish....Extremely upsetting.

I can see that it would have been, having read your description.
Rag's experience of what he termed "telepathy" was "disconcerting" for him too.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:49 PM

that Einstein.. wot a bastard...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 04:15 PM

So now you're blaming relativity...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 02:13 PM

I mostly always know when my mrs has 'done something' in the house
because I was educated at an early age to be aware, observant, and methodical...

Mrs punkfolkrocker is too careless and slapdash, and rubbish at covering her tracks
- so I 'know' when she is the guilty culprit.. no matter how much she protests her innocence...

Last month water cascading down through the kitchen ceiling was the most obvious give away that a mysterious event had happened concerning the bathroom shower.....

She had no choice but to own up to that one relatively immediately....

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 01:49 PM

She might have a Nanny Cam. chocolate should not be a parole violation

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 01:16 PM

Mrs Steve always knows immediately when I have stolen chocoate from the large stash she keeps in a cupboard. The bars I take are always out of date, having been in there for a year or more. I don't remove any bar that isn't there in multiple quantities and I leave no crumbs and I hide the wrapper deep in the rubbish bin under the kind of detritus that you would not want to rummage in. No matter. She may not have visited the cupboard for weeks, but my transgression is always detected within a day. I put this down to a combination of telepathy, mind-reading, intuition, supernatural powers, quantum-induced magic and sheer viciousness.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 12:12 PM

I'd 'guess' intuition has more to do with a keen imaginative perception and acute judgement gained from experience and education...

not supernatural powers & abilities...???

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 11:39 AM

I think "intuition" is certainly a fact Don, but almost impossible to verify, the circumstances are often much too vague....people say "I just had a feeling" certain things would happen after the event.

My experience of what I term "telepathy" involved real mental pain and anguish....Extremely upsetting.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 17 - 10:08 AM

It is a scientific inquiry worth following however claims may be premature or cleaned up too much.

I may be wrong but I am surprised the word INTUITION has not yet appeared. I bet there is more commonality on the acceptance of intuition.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:42 PM

Donuel, it would make sense that if I imagine a butterfly, since imagining uses the same pathways as actually perceiving, I would have those upside-down-and-backwards butterflies on my visual cortex that could be seen by a computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 10:35 AM

apostate solidarity forever.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 08:20 AM

Sentiment appreciated! I can't win the abuser of the month accolade as I have far too much competition. Unless you call telling people to grow up "abuse!"

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 07:21 AM

How about a post from the future and putting it back here right now?
I have found a significant future post for Steve he may find helpful;

Sorry Steve for calling you a Catalonian Terrorist that resulted in you being put on the flyer watch list and interrupting your flight to Mallorca.

I told the authorities the truth and that it was only a joke that your meeting in Mallorca was for Spanish regime change.

I told them basically I respect Steve very much. He is great with jokes I assume he has collected from many a day at the Pub. He introduced me to a Beethoven I never knew but admired since I was 9. I was first emboldened when he commented that that my writing style was uniquely wrong and should be more like the Daily Mail.
I can tease him being full of himself when it is I being full of myself. He is the least enlightened and most enlightened bloke I know.

I imagined an Odd Couple difference between us that makes him a proper Felix to my improper Oscar. What makes me his opposite is that I have never gone to the pub, club, bar, bistro etc. since I was 20 and knew folks on that alcoholic level.

So I apologize for any sting or insult however misplaced I have made at your expense, meanwhile I hope you win abuser of the month club on one of your 'very cultural' Brexit threads.

I hope this post finds you released and once again set free.
Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 05:07 AM

Not only that, you'd have people putting the horse before the cart and making links to next Tuesdays Daily Mail...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 02:56 AM

It occurred to me, time travellers posting here would really fuck up the continuity of mudcat discussions..

Threads would make even less sense than they do now after all the obsessive spamming and random mod deletions...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 09:32 PM

"You probably never noticed but I have on occasion taken some of your most bloated opinions and have used your own words to state the exact opposite and it was more rational and in touch than what you had just said."

That's arrogant in a way in which the irony of it has eluded you. Just take me on. I don't tend to muck around being all tangential. Let thy speech be yea yea, nay nay.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 09:31 PM

Worst driving dream, I'm in the back seat and can only steer

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 09:10 PM

I'm glad you're in the conversation Steve. Yes I had a misread regarding one post. Believe it or not I thought it too rude to say I do not give a damn what you think. I do care what my son thinks, principally because he wants to avoid school.

You probably never noticed but I have on occasion taken some of your most bloated opinions and have used your own words to state the exact opposite and it was more rational and in touch than what you had just said.
Not every point has two sides. Some have one, some have many.

My point is we all tend toward the ethno centric, the ego centric, the Homo Sapien centric, the self centric but those points of view can easily be unhelpful to understanding and straight up wrong.

If we have cringworthy moments or an abundance of vanity it is an indication the ego is in charge. My ego is still breathing but I do my best to smother it. The unconscious is my key to open my consciousness to a wider world. For others it might be travel. Vivre la difference.

This discussion started with my comment that there are rational research programs to explain the mechanisms of telepathy but I prefer to call it shared consciousness. I already linked to some of those studies.
I would hope you do not discourage others from sharing their experiences. For example Mrrzy's was fascinating.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 07:41 PM

Oh God yes, driving dreams... I'm usually having to reverse downhill with rapidly fading brakes...

Time for a wee!

It's our age, Bill, it's our age...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 07:10 PM

I have 'categories' of dreams... often stressful- and probably reflecting the stresses of wakefulness. I often dream of driving places and loosing track of my car after parking.. then walking randomly thru strange streets. *shrug*
   I used to have pleasant flying dreams, but not recently.

I have always **suspected** that 'out of body' and near death experiences and visions of dead relatives, etc., were closely related to vivid dreams and merely interpreted to suit.... but people hold tightly to their presumed extra-sensory experiences- and I can't prove otherwise... so... more shrugs.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 06:14 PM

I agree with all that, Bill. I dream like a raving lunatic every night, mostly pleasantly though sometimes impossibly bureaucratically. In the latter case the solution is always to get up for a pee, shake myself down and resume in "pleasant" mode. I look forward to hitting the sack and starting my alternative dream life! I even dream like mad during my afternoon nap (I'm an expert napper, and the naps always give me a new lease of life). It's a brilliantly useless phenomenon!

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 05:25 PM

People experience what they experience.... the cause of their experience is not always clear. Vivid dreams are the closest *I* ever had to metaphysical stuff. I have said for many years (to those who related 'experiences' to me) that I just don't seem to be wired that way.... and I a was always an ardent Sci-fi fan who wanted to believe.

When some insist that their telepathy/levitation/precognition... etc... is real, my answer is always "the burden of proof in on the assertor". It is fascinating to wonder about, but I tend towards James Randi's views.... skeptical, but always ready for a demo... ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 05:23 PM

It's you not reading, not me. It's fine that you believe and that you don't ask me to concur. It's also fine that I express extreme scepticism about the things you claim have happened to you. I can't prove that you're lying. I can't disprove anything you say and you can't give me sufficient evidence which would enable your claims to possess more than just a passing interest. That's life, that's you, that's me. If you feel secure about your claims you wouldn't give a damn about the likes of me. If you don't feel secure, you'll get defensive. Let's see.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 04:27 PM

A belief is one thing but an experience is something a bit more.

A belief seems empty to me but an experience is alive and full of all our senses.

I don't care about beliefs but I will defend my experience without insisting 'one must believe'.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 03:57 PM

Reading problem?
My whole point is I AM NOT and never have asked anyone to believe me.

My life may seem preposterous to you but it has been my experience, not yours.

Nothing can change that. Sometimes I wish the high weirdness had never happened but that wish goes unanswered.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 03:10 PM

I know you know it's pointless to ask me to believe you. I have an unenviable track record here of allowing everyone whatever beliefs they want but of dismissing belief as a way of making intellectual progress. No pressure. Either gimme the evidence or I'll express a passing interest then move on unmoved.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 02:59 PM

The last burden I need is to persuade anyone of anything.
I suppose I could persuade someone I ate yesterday by crapping but that is very unappealing.

Persuasion is more a function of power than science.

Posting an experience is still much safer here than on a format like Facebook.

Unlike Trump I believe I have never uttered the phrase "believe me".

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 02:43 PM

As I recall everyone involved were surprised by #1 and truly very frightened by #2 and #3. All 3 incidents were outside a frame of reference and were not categorized by anything but surprise.

The only thing these incidents have in common is that they have never happened since. A true one off.

The most terrifying was the sound which translated into being unable and unwilling to respond in any meaningful way. (scared stiff) I always heard reports that something like a ufo is silent. So in conclusion, I dunno.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 02:10 PM

"Confirmation by fellow witnesses does not constitute the kind of proof a skeptic requires but it is better than an unsubstantiated report."

We don't require proof. But if your fellow witnesses are unquestioning believers, or co-conspirators, not entirely sane or are just plain liars, the testimony is no better than an unsubstantiated report. And how would we know what they are? The report is one thing. It has to detailed and plausible. But that's only the second hurdle. The first hurdle is to persuade us that the fellow witnesses are worth listening to. It won't have escaped your attention that we are almost talking peer viewed science here. Without that scrutiny your story may be interesting at best but can't inform progress as to enlightening us about the phenomena in question

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 01:17 PM

Confirmation by fellow witnesses does not constitute the kind of proof a skeptic requires but it is better than an unsubstantiated report.
I have had only three of these Strange experiences that are outside the realm of established reality but have additional witnesses.

1 The clear presence of a glow around a human being
2 The sonic and subsonic sounds of a ufo
3 The appearance of two globes of light that pass through all walls.

1 This occurred during a hypnosis session with a witness

2 You may ask how do you hear subsonic. You feel it in your bones.
I know what the sound is like on stage during the Saint Seans Organ Concerto. It was similar but deeper in an electric generator sense.

3 This I got to touch with great trepidation.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 10:21 AM

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Where ancient alien archeologist bull shit artists & theorists agree Akhenaten was a hybrid alien.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 09:37 AM

There are researchers who claim they can see an image of what a subject is thinking via brain waves. They even show the image they claim they are picking up. I am dubious.

I have seen the images but data can be fudged many ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 08:55 AM

This is seeing what you think...

I have also had dreams that came true, one of which I told, so there are witnesses. But it could always have been something I could have figured out from things I didn't know I might have seen, or something like that. So we're back to that your-brain-is-smarter-than-you-and-doesn't-tell-you-everything bit.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 07:50 AM

seeing what you think
This is what we have been doing but we are assuming we can force intrusion

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 09:36 PM

Advances do not come in a linear fashion. An invention comes out of a nexus of philosophy, sci fi, material science, physics, math, history, cultural freedom, necessity, ethics and more.

In a sci fi notion of creating massless matter we could open the door to both teleportation and time travel simultaneously. We are beginning to separate wave function from particle existence. Waves transmitted like light and reintroducing particle mass at another point would provide an exploitation of time and travel. Its a twofer!
This is a Jules Verne worthy insight that will work in todays science fiction. Today this can suspend belief. Tomorrow? I would have to phone a friend or buy a clue.

For me the story of a discovery is a suspenseful mystery. Mix together a couple villains, a couple heroes, a real sneaky scene, character development a tragedy and a ta da in the nick of time success, a moment of pride based on a loving promise and you have your novel. Add a cliff hanger and you have a series.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 09:09 PM

What if they used a time machine already but no one told?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 08:39 PM

As time recedes or goes forward the rest of the universe remains in motion so we really should call it a time spacecraft and operate it in near vacuum (massless) conditions.

One day the Bezos Musk Corp will sell you time tickets.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 08:31 PM

The first time a time machine is used marks the time when we can go back to that past but not ever before. To that extent it is not irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: bobad
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 06:18 PM

Interested in time travel?

Meet here last Thursday, 7pm.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:39 PM

My Grandfather told me he saw this guy perform in Falkirk Scotland in the late 1800s perhaps early 1900s.....he induced a man with a withered arm to lift heavy weights the man nearly died, the crowd rioted, and Bodie was run out of town.
Dr Walford Bodie.
Around that time, my grandfather was also taken by his parents to see Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West Show which also visited Falkirk Tryst.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:29 PM

What do we want?

A CURE FOR TOURETTES!

When do we want it?

C*NT!



God forgive me...

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: robomatic
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:10 PM

What do we want?
TIME TRAVEL!

When do we want it?
IT'S IRRELEVANT!

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 05:02 PM

TMS is unknown in its effect. So it is not really known if it is invasive or not. Acoustic imaging, microwaves all have an effect. What that may be is considered to be an acceptable risk. The risk benefit is up to you.

So far the claims are going beyond the truth. Especially for accelerated learning. Be skeptical.

Jeez I sound like Steve.

The electric tele-interface is an evolving DARPA like project
I think the organic exploration has more to teach us.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 01:46 PM

Oh yeah TMS is weird as all get-out. There is an NPR bit about an autistic person who, when so stimulated, could read body language, and when not, could not.

They already have machines that can read minds well enough to run a Ouija-board type thing for totally paralyzed people who can't even move their eyes to be able to communicate... think music, the cursor moves one way; think math, it moves another. And that is without TMS, just with EEGs.

So it's not like my twins *couldn't* have read each other's minds while in the same little bassinet, with one tummyache to share between the two of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 12:24 PM

That is one of the most frightening things I have read lately Ed, hope it remains firmly in the realms of science fiction.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 11:31 AM

Brain-to-brain interfaces: the science of?telepathy?

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Nov 17 - 11:28 AM

"Over the last 70 years, researchers have tried to gauge the effect on an individual of having an unusual name. It is thought that our identity is partly shaped by the way we are treated by other people - a concept psychologists call the "looking-glass self" - and our name has the potential to colour our interactions with society. Early studies found that men with uncommon first names were more likely to drop out of school and be lonely later in life. One study found that psychiatric patients with more unusual names tended to be more disturbed."



Is a name important??

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:41 PM

bearded bruce wrote such verdant pastoral poetry compared to now, its as though he became radicalized. There is a way home.

Subject: RE: BS: Telepathy. Experience? Explanation?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:05 PM

Whaddaya think this is, a music forum?