BS: Sexual Misdemeanours

Subject: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 05:46 AM

Here you go, a thread just so you can discuss it without messing up the Brexit thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 05:56 AM

there are those that get turned on by Brexit.

Oh hush ma mouth!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 06:05 AM

Makes me ashamed to be a bloke at times. No party political points to be made here. Labour's shit has yet to hit the fan!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 08:23 AM

Mr. Red, There are those who grab Brexit by the country.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 08:45 AM

Donuel, shame on you for making me laugh at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 08:46 AM

I'm told they are forming a new "Grope-ative party!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 09:35 AM

I'm told they are forming a new "Grope-ative party!!!

What office are they running Ake for?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 09:43 AM

Strange isn't it. One poster in particular was trying to divert another thread so I opened this one, just for him.

Guess what he hasn't posted to it, in four hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 09:44 AM

Come to think of it, he didn't post to the Boris Johnson and Russia thread I also opened just for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Stu
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 10:50 AM

Some posts have been deleted, mine included as they were off topic. I've got to stop rising to the bait :-) 🐟

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 03:27 AM

There are those who grab Brexit by the country. LOL

But seriously. I predicted a new puritanism was due. But I didn't see it would be this one. Just shows what is on your radar. But all the more welcome for its arrival.

As Churchill said Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

But I see the pendulum swing past at times in the future. It is a two edged swordid!

I remember maybe 30 or more years ago that a politician opined "there is a case for a Whitehall Brothel" - and you can sort of see the logic.............

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 05:24 AM

It was Lord Acton in 1887:

"Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 01:48 PM

Didn't stop Churchill re-iterating it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Nov 17 - 07:01 PM

He didn't reiterate it. He misquoted it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 03:24 AM

pardon my pedantry but whatever was said before Churchill, or even before Lord Acton, whether documented or ney:

The post reads As Churchill said and He did!

If we are being pedantic I think you will find my attribution was accurate enough, moreso than a poorly worded rejoinder.

Knowing the nature of these things the quotation was not worded "as coined by", quite consciously.

Mr Pedant

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 03:26 AM

Power does not corrupt men; fools, however, if they get into a position of power, corrupt power. even GBS was not averse to re-using the concept.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 05:46 AM

Think I'll return to the Fanny Power thread. She was incorruptible.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 09:02 AM

Doing it upside down underwater is either a sexual misdemeanor
or an American sub prime mortgage.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 09:46 AM

The entire Independent Order of Odd Fellatios
Any Francis Ford Copulate movie
Vibrating Tampons with remote
G spot tattoo
Prefering 20 9 year olds to 29 year olds

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:09 AM

Christian Sodomy Dating Services;
Put 'Faith' in your bed
50 Shades of Starfish
Holy of the month club

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 10:18 AM

Apple i Phock app


...Oh this thread wasn't meant literally?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:35 AM

There are no longer such things as "sexual misdemeanor." While most, perhaps, do not meet the legal definition of a felony, they they are seen as such in the mind of the public in today's cultural climate. Sorry, but I don't find this thread as humorous as many of you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 11:59 AM

So exactly what are the new rules and correct words?
High Crimes and Misdirectives
Criminal Cruel Crudeness
Aggressive maleing

Is there not a line between violent deviancy and Rape?
I thought it was assault OR Rape.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 12:22 PM

Consent should always be the iron clad standard to determine assault and rape.

If 32 million dollars is the price to avoid rape charges, how much does murder cost?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 17 - 01:49 PM

oops there goes another diversion thread... plop

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 17 - 08:24 AM

Exposing Sexual crimes have moved from the Clergy to the entertainment industry to Society in general. (except Trump who has caused a backlash)
Now its Louis C K comedian.

To catch a predator is one thing. What if it becomes criminal* for any male to initiate sex? Will only women be allowed to initiate sex? Or should Puritanism apply to all?

I am stirring the pot but there are additional questions regarding the arena of misconduct. What are the new rules and is there a statute of limitations?

*Non violent 1st degree Male aggression

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Nov 17 - 02:56 AM

Let's face it, it is a jungle out there.

And like all shifts in society there are consequences. It is the price you pay for progress.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 17 - 03:45 PM

In one month these issues are now a movement called 'Metooism' with withering purging power.

We use to call him Al.

Bill is a pill.

Many are gone already and many are ready to go.

the English version of this thread is in Damian Green.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Dec 17 - 06:59 PM

Teacher: Can you form a sentence containing the word "harassment"?

Jimmy: I didn't care for her face but harassment a lot to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Dec 17 - 08:32 PM

Tweet that joke to Trump, I'm hoping he'll retweet it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Dec 17 - 07:18 PM

"Bye, Felicia" ? Who is Felicia?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Dec 17 - 07:58 AM

As either both a bloke and a sheila, or neither, I gotta say, it'll be nice when everybody grows up.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Dec 17 - 01:36 PM

Its too late to grow up for james Levine, Donald and a vast cast of mongrel moguls.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Dec 17 - 02:41 PM

There are two good addemdums to the "Power Corrupts" Meme:

1) So does weakness.

2) But is also rocks (absolutely).

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 09:00 AM

Just saw a clickbait about What is Alabama rot? Signs and symptoms of the disease

Coincidence or wierd algorithms or someone deciding "now it the time to post this"

But ya gotta laugh.................. but it certainly was a Dogday Afternoon!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 06:18 PM

I've been waiting for this - a discussion of just how journalists decide to go with the stories of women who were assaulted by powerful men - when there were no charges filed or law enforcement agencies involved. There is a process that involves lots of interviews.

It isn't perfect - it sounds like Tavis Smiley got the raw end of things without knowing who is claiming abuse, and PBS, that should know better, isn't saying. There are discussions of who can address this, if Matt Damon is tone deaf (it comes down to the allusion to levels of misbehavior compared to cancer - it's all cancer, just different stages - he doesn't get that.)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Dec 17 - 06:39 AM

There is a blowback against the resignation of Sen. Franken. Now that Moore lost, the Al resignation is misplaced.
Due process is also missing for Tavis.

Sexual McCarthyism?

Allow MeToo movement to use due process but block punishment by innuendo.

I used to teach the police to give all credence to women victims of rape and ignore any initial doubting and banish the notion she was asking for it.
I also included a more humane interview of victims using hypnotic techniques.

I never expected we would ignore due process.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:15 AM

It's a jungle out there. Let's face it.

I noticed long since that the law is a Shield for the victim. And Shields are heavy and pack a punch when wielded. Which is not lost on those with an agenda.

And due process is not necessarily needed to achieve an agenda.

But numbers do help to build a picture ............. sometimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 07:20 AM

When due process has been corrupted, you are right. It needs to be repaired.

Mob rule put women under the thumb of men. It can also squash men.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 04:21 PM

The power mongers are still tripping over what is now in plain sight.

Now there's a public address by Tony Robbins
when he quoted men who will no longer hire
qualified job candidates
who happen to be attractive-looking women.

And the audience reared up and talked back. Good for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Apr 18 - 01:33 PM

What Tony Robbins did a few days ago, it seems, is called
Mansplaining. Right.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 12:21 PM

it has further emerged, as the Tony Robbins public speech is more closely recalled,
that Robbins was going on and on, in public and for the record,
about what a great fellow was Steve Wynn.

The same Steve Wynn who had to leave his company recently
while being charged with sexual harassment.

This is going to magnetize the whole incident
in Massachusetts,
where the Wynn corporation finally got the Commonwealth
to permit them to build a casino in the Greater Boston area.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: ripov
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 06:57 PM

re the "power tends to corrupt" quote; was Churchill doing a cover version?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Apr 18 - 06:34 PM

Supermodel Janice Dickerson finally had her day in court.
It's trial number two for you-know-who.
I don't even want to spell the man's name.

I was doubtful the campaign to set the record straight
would ever progress even this far.
But the class-action plaintiffs are persistent.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 12:00 AM

I had a coworker who was out to get me for twenty years because I was promoted to a job that he thought he deserved to get. One thing he tried was speaking in ways that implied that I was gay. The first three times, he spoke so only I could hear. The fourth time, he said his thing in front of two other employees. I said, "OK, Rudy, this is the fourth time. I've been keeping notes, and now I've got witnesses." Never heard a peep out of him after that.

I have always been a staunch supporter of gay rights, so maybe that's what started him. His implication that I was gay put me between a rock and a hard place because I'd see nothing wrong if I were gay, but would it be construed as my being anti-gay if I complained against his remarks?

It was awkward, and I'm glad it happened only four times over a few months. I'm glad I was able to shut the bastard down so easily.

So, would that have been a "sexual misdemeanour" in the UK? In the US?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 03:54 AM

He sounds like a homophobic and bitter person Joe. You handled it well, but shouldn't have had to put up with that.
Here in UK it would have come under misconduct and harassment in the workplace. Also, homophobic remarks are regarded as a crime and the perpetrator can be prosecuted if, as you said, there are witnesses.
It was more than a 'misdemeanour' and not sexual since it involved words not sexual actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:41 PM

Oh dear, another Tory minister has had to resign!

Andrew Griffiths is the latest.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Dec 18 - 11:17 PM

Not misdemeanor, but felony, in the case of Kevin Spacey.
This case is poignant.
Spacey has turned in some noteworthy professional performances
but now that he is on Twitter
with a video referencing the show he was fired from ...
even Roseanne didn't take it this far.
Does he know reality from make-believe any more?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 25 Dec 18 - 02:43 PM

Poem about the English Class System

When he showed his willy to the cleaner
They said, that's a sexual misdemeanour
But then he showed The Queen his poloney
And they said it was a feloney!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Dec 18 - 02:01 PM

The best defense against defamation is the truth.
"Not that there is anything wrong with that" :^/
Perhaps there is room for modifying our tort laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 06:42 PM

Look whose turn it is now.

Associated Press on Plácido Domingo

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 07:02 PM

All stories which have been given (apparently) to "Associated Press". Have any of these women given their stories to the police? There is no evidence that the police have been informed in the article (also by) Associated Press.

Is US law the same as UK? Innocent until proven guilty?
If so, why are Associated Press making such a big thing about unsubstantiated reports?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 07:02 PM

Of course, if he's a sexual predator, he deserves to be brought to account. But why publish hearsay?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 07:37 PM

He's one of my heroes. Very distressing to hear this. Justice first.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Aug 19 - 10:58 AM

The law is a shield for the victim? In what universe?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Aug 19 - 04:29 PM

I just mentally composed about 3-4 comments on this subject.... all from different perspectives... and I couldn't see how to shorten any of them to make a clear, simple point. (the following, I assure you, IS an edited and shortened form of 60 years of reflection on it all. ?). I am unable right now to join those who can create clever, humorous comments. I'm not condemning jokes... I'm just overwhelmed by the number of recent cases involving celebrities whose behavior has made this such a public spectacle.

The problem is, human sexual attitudes and pressures... and resultant behaviors... are maddeningly complex.
'Most' issues are about male behavior, and there are biological explanations for the basic drives... but permissible actions are dependent on different cultural norms and laws that try to define and regulate them. But within any system, there are men who try to subjectively 'adapt' the rules... and women who either submit to pressure, or demand that men follow both thew law AND their personal wishes.... and then there are infinite gradations in personal attitudes in both men & women.

There is 'simple showing interest'...................... and forcible rape. And somewhere on that line are 'misdemeanors'. Al Franken and Placido Domingo are somewhere on that line, and perhaps most males have been, at a minimum, near the left end. Bill Cosby and Epstein... and Trump are right at the far right end.... but even that end has branches to refer to gross, criminal behavior of different sorts.

When accusations are made, some of them are just about unwanted, unpleasant advances, as in Franken and Domingo, and some are about obviously criminal behavior if substantiated. Some women are fairly adept at rejecting advances, and some, whether out of confusion, fear or calculated risk, don't bother.
To complicate it all further, when complaints are filed, some are treated seriously and some are not, depending on police, prosecutors, and eventually judges. There is NO doubt that some male prosecutors and judges have memories of their own transgressions of earlier times and make decisions on the subjective "they were asking for it" or "it's only natural urges" or "no lasting harm done" rationalizations.

   What has happened recently is publicity in the media that both allows women to TELL their stories and provides support and confirmation OF the ubiquitous nature of such careless or dangerous male behavior.
Nothing will ever solve the root nature of sexual pressures and desires, but it seems the floodgates are open a bit to head society into a new admission that the issue cannot be swept under the rug any longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Aug 19 - 03:19 PM

'Most' issues are about male behavior? What about

welfare queens
whores
hos
nymphos

There's plenty of sexual hate aimed at women.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Aug 19 - 06:16 PM

? leenia.. the thread was 'Sexual Misdemeanours'. I don't see any list about who is 'hated' the most. The 4 you refer to are of course societal problems of various sorts, but for actual mis-behaviors that need to be addressed by law and early training in values, I think that male attitudes toward women pretty well are the most common and cause the most anguish. In some ways, 'whores' are a by-product of male behavior... (and how do you distinguish between 'hos' and 'whores'?)

Yes, many men 'hate' women to cover up their own inability to attract women... which can lead to rape...etc.

I suppose some women harbor dislike for other women, but that's hard to quantify.

You'll have to clarify your point better for me to see where you are going...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 01:23 PM

The New York Times weighs in on Plácido Domingo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Sep 19 - 12:06 PM

At the Metropolitan Opera,

the show -- the season opener -- must go on.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Sep 19 - 12:14 PM

And from NPR,

"I feel queasy in the [orchestra] pit during rehearsals"

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 11:26 AM

The main issue I see is men believing women are theirs to control, and that women and their appearance are responsible for men's thoughts and behaviors. And so on. You horny? That's your problem, not hers. Deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 11:38 AM

My reaction to all the "me too" stuff was "this is NORMAL. Every woman has had those experiences, and we get past them."

And then, I thought "WHAT!!?? Why?"

It's another case of things that were considered unremarkable in the past, but then, the world changed. It WAS that way. Now it's not. And unfortunately, 1) some people can't adapt, and 2) some other people judge the past by what's right today.

At the bottom of it all is a failure to acknowledge and accept change.