BS: Arms dealers in need

Subject: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 05:16 PM

Just watching 'Children in Need' on the beeb and the thought struck me that a lot of these projects should get government funding, not charity. I think we have our priorities wrong somewhere. Maybe we should spend a huge chunk of the arms budget on helping kids and get the depratment of defense to do a telthon to raise funds to buy arms?

Makes more sense to me anyway :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 06:00 PM

I agree. In the fifth richest economy in the world, or whatever we're supposed to be, why should we put looking after the most vulnerable in this "big society" of ours into the lottery of charity? The amount raised tonight could have been provided in a heartbeat by the Queen or Prince BigEars or by any number of non-doms or offshore cheats or big corporations or by anyone else whose philosophy of life is to rip the rest of us off, and they wouldn't have noticed a thing. Or by putting tax up by about a quarter of a pee. But all those King Croesuses are rubbing their hands, looking down on the rest of us indulgently and patronisingly, saying how wonderful it is that the hot-polloi recognise that we're all in this together. Which we are, except for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 06:02 PM

We hoi-polloi are cool, not hot. 😉

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 06:20 PM

It's too deeply ingrained hard line tory ideology - no taxes and welfare state - benevolent christian charity is all that's required
to succour the deserving needy..

The undeserving can just eff off and die...

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 06:57 PM

Never mind. Have your sixth glass of cheap red and tune into Beeb Four. We've had Freddie, Joe Cocker, Aretha, Kate Bush, Sir Tom, mo' ... Effit! It's Friday!

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 07:06 PM

And frickin' bleedin' Nora! Now it's Van the Man at the Eden Project. Jesus, he actually turned up!

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 07:23 PM

I entered two competitions in 2005 for tickets for Make Poverty History at the Eden Project, the day they did The Big Thing in Hyde Park - and won two tickets in both. Mrs Steve and I used two of them and my daughter and her mate used the other two. It was an amazing event, never to be forgotten. I did have to endure about an hour sitting next to Esther bleedin' Rantzen...

Unfortunately, a bunch of complete twats blew London up a few days later. A couple of weeks after that, Jean Charles de Menezes was gunned down by a twat who'd been instructed by other twats. It was a bad time, and we never did make poverty history. I still have my one-quid wristband.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 12:10 AM

Well, thank the Lord Almighty that here in the United States, President Trump takes good care of our arms dealers, after the eight years of suffering the poor dealers went through under that horrible Obama person....

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 04:26 AM

Smiley for Joe :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 04:37 AM

Pat and I watched distraught an account of what was happening to the Rohingya people
We were horrified to lear that, despite the horrific events Israel has refused to desist from supplying arms to the Burmese military
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 07:27 AM

Who supplies arms to Myanmar

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 08:27 AM

MISSED ONE BOBAD
And again
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 08:50 AM

We all know what kind of people single out Israel for condemnation and refuse to recognize the myriad worse offenders. There's a name for them. And I didn't miss anyone, it seems that you have missed the majority and locked in on the lone......surprise, surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 09:55 AM

"We all know what kind of people single out Israel for condemnation"
WE condemn them all Bobad - including Britain
You defend Israel by pointing to others
Wonder what happened to "never again - not to anybody"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 10:10 AM

Ate the hundreds of Rabbis in my linked article antisemitic for singling out Israel Bobad?
Now there's a thought!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 10:32 AM

Where Myanmar's weapons come from

China supplies 14 heavy weapons to Myanmar
Russia including the former USSR supplied 8 heavy weapons to Myanmar
The UK supplies 5 heavy weapons to Myanmar
Ukraine supplies 3 heavy weapons to Myanmar
The US supplies 2 heavy weapons to Myanmar
India supplies 2 heavy weapons to Myanmar
France supplies 2 heavy weapons to Myanmar
The former Yugoslavia supplied 2 heavy weapons to Myanmar
Serbia supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
Brazil supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
North Korea supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
South Korea supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
Sweden supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
Pakistan supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
Myanmar supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar
Israel supplies 1 heavy weapon to Myanmar

Yet Carroll singles out only Israel for condemnation - there you have it.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 11:04 AM

Ate [sic] the hundreds of Rabbis in my linked article antisemitic for singling out Israel....

You are not a rabbi.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 11:14 AM

So you can only criticise Israel if you are a Rabbi
Think you've painted yourself into a corner here Bobad, don't you?
WHO ELSE BUYS ISREALI WEAPONS
From yet another Antisemitic source

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 11:21 AM

There is an ould rabbi called Carroll
(Though the kippah is not his apparel)
Though Keith tells him "you lose"
With his fair-minded views
He has bobad over a barrel

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 11:27 AM

(Apologies for the poetic licence, Jim...)

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 12:01 PM

It was you wot rote our folk songs, wannit Steve?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 12:20 PM

Sorry, Jim. The first line just popped into my head as soon as I saw bobad's post declaring that you are not a rabbi (I suppose he must have got a degree in The Bleedin' Obvious at the University Of No Shit Sherlock) and I just couldn't stop meself...

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:21 PM

How did this become a thread on Israel?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:38 PM

How did this become a thread on Israel?

Because folks couldn't resist engaging an immatrure, ignorant,bigoted, deranged abd ultimately boring troll - I give you Boo-Bo. Or is that Boo-Boo?

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:38 PM

Just make fun of bobad and maybe he'll go away, Dave!

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:45 PM

"How did this become a thread on Israel?
Because Israel is one of the leading arms dealers wth the fastest drone industry on the planet
As you now know, like Britain, they don't give a toss which fellow-terrorist regime they support with their arms
In the case of Myanmar, they even supply instructors n how to use the ****** stuff
There predecessors would be spinning in their graves if they'd have been given such a luxury as burials
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:46 PM

Yep, they all come crawling out of the woodwork like cockroaches......lol!

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:48 PM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 17 Nov 17 - 06:00 PM

I agree. In the fifth richest economy in the world, or whatever we're supposed to be, why should we put looking after the most vulnerable in this "big society" of ours into the lottery of charity? The amount raised tonight could have been provided in a heartbeat by the Queen or Prince BigEars or by any number of non-doms or offshore cheats or big corporations or by anyone else whose philosophy of life is to rip the rest of us off, and they wouldn't have noticed a thing. Or by putting tax up by about a quarter of a pee. But all those King Croesuses are rubbing their hands, looking down on the rest of us indulgently and patronisingly, saying how wonderful it is that the hot-polloi recognise that we're all in this together. Which we are, except for them.

Another comment by Prince dick-head (a.k.a. Steve Shaw).

A quick check online will give details of Her Majesty' wealth as approx. 277 million pounds. Here

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:53 PM

World's largest arms exporters 2012-2016 in millions of US dollars

Rank         Supplier         Arms Exp

1          United States         47,169
2          Russia         33,186
3          China                9,132
4          France         8,564
5          Germany         7,946
6          United Kingdom 6,586
7          Spain                3,958
8          Italy                3,823
9          Ukraine         3,677
10          Israel         3,233

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 02:53 PM

Since its inception, Children in Need has raise 890 million pounds.
There is no way that this could have been paid by the Queen.

A little reasonable thought confirms that Steve Shaw is (once again) being a total dick.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 03:59 PM

How did this become a thread on Israel?


Because hating Jews is no longer politically correct.
Hating Israel is the correct way to hate Jews now.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 04:05 PM

Well, I'd suggest that a total dick is someone who posts on completely the wrong thread and then repeats the mistake. And do watch your language. Disagreeing with Nige does not necessarily make one a total dick. Is there such a thing as a partial dick, one wonders? Hang on, I'll just emails Mrs Bobbit...

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 04:09 PM

Oops, I think It's me who's got me threads tangled! Sorry, Nige, but easy on the biggus dickus stuff anyways, old boy! 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 05:01 PM

A silly old bigot called bobad
Showed such one-sided views - what a sad lad -
That the Jews of the world
Abuse at him hurled
Saying SHUT UP, you make us look so bad...

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 06:18 PM

Your poetry, or whatever that's supposed to be, is as lame as your attempts to camouflage your bigotry.........pathetic.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: rich-joy
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 06:41 PM

Going back to the OP, DavetheGnome :
Reminds me of the teatowel/poster many of us had in the 70s :

It will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need, and the Air Force has to hold a cake stall to buy a bomber

Still waiting ..... (but not holding my breath).....

R-J


https://www.ipb2016.berlin/b07-workshop-presentation-global-campaign-on-military-spending-gcoms-the-future-of-the-campaign/

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 07:27 PM

Here's another side of the Israel that the haters love to villify and demonize:

Paralysed veteran to stand during Cenotaph parade thanks to Israeli technology

Royal Engineer Chris Baker will have the help of a robotic exoskeleton made with the latest technology from the Jewish state

A British Army veteran seriously wounded in Iraq is set to stand for the national anthem at the upcoming cenotaph parade with the help of a robotic exoskeleton made with Israeli technology.

Chris Baker, 33, a Royal Engineer, suffered permanent damage to his spinal column, when his vehicle in Iraq was hit by a remote-controlled roadside bomb, confining him to a wheelchair.

Jewish businessman and philanthropist Gerald Ronson, a strong supporter of Army and Police veterans causes, heard of the soldier?s situation and paid for the innovative Israeli suit through his family?s foundation.

Baker has dreamt of being able to stand for the national anthem, and this will now occur at the annual Cenotaph remembrance ceremony of the Association of Jewish Ex Servicemen and Women (AJEX) in Whitehall on 19 November.

Thousands of Jewish personnel served in the British army during World War Two or after, and this year?s remembrance parade commemorates 100 years since the battles for Passchendaele and Jerusalem, as well as the 75-year anniversaries of Dieppe and El Alamein.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 07:28 PM

Bobad's bile - don't he sow it! -
Is bigotry, and don't we all know it!
Explains how he acts
He's blind to the facts
And what's worse, he disses a poet!

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 09:12 PM

Bobad, thanks for your list 02:53pm
That gives a better overal picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 09:13 PM

Standing up against hate is bile to some - their kin can be found amongst neo-nazis and the alt right not to mention the regressive left.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 09:31 PM

Take a chill pill, old boy. You're getting all aerated again!

I feel another poem coming on...

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: bobad
Date: 18 Nov 17 - 09:36 PM

I feel another poem coming on...

A cold shower may give you some relief.😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 02:27 AM

..so.. how hilarious would it be if Bob wasn't even the least bit Jewish...??? 😜



..and where would the world be without fanatics...?????

For a start there'd be a massively reduced market for arms dealers and manufacturers...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 03:21 AM

Please don't allow this troll to close down this thread now that Israel has been exposed as a supplier and traner of ethnic cleansing butchers - that's how he works
It's enough to know that he is the only individual here to have attempted to associate this filthy trade with the Jewish people - the rest of us are quite happy to recognise that the culprits are the Israeli regime who are criticised by Jews throughout the world for their behaviour
Even Bobad is forced to admit that they are part of this trade - his only defence is that there are others as bad as the Israelis ivolved
Leave it there lads
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 03:28 AM

"Maybe we should spend a huge chunk of the arms budget on helping kids and get the depratment of defense to do a telthon to raise funds to buy arms?"

Has to be one of the most stupid comments I have seen on mudcat, and there have been a fair number of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 04:04 AM

v"Has to be one of the most stupid comments "
Yup - we know what your attitude is to helping the less well off Iains
You were the one who suggested that the victims of Grenfell Tower should be left to sleep in tents rather than allow them use vacant private property in the immediate are - isn't that right?
Any inhuman clown can describe a humane suggestion as "stupid" - most of you do
There's never been a better wake up call indicating it's about time the world recognised the suicidal stupidity of leaving these weapons into the hands of the North Koreans and the Moronic Trump regime   
And now for the Strangelove arguments about coal-mine superiority!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Iains
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 04:20 AM

Jim take your ridiculous bullshit elsewhere you silly little man.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 04:35 AM

"How did this become a thread on Israel?
Because Israel is one of the leading arms dealers wth the fastest drone industry on the planet

It was not started as a thread about Israel or even a thread about arms dealing. Look at the opening post. I'll repeat it here.

Just watching 'Children in Need' on the beeb and the thought struck me that a lot of these projects should get government funding, not charity. I think we have our priorities wrong somewhere. Maybe we should spend a huge chunk of the arms budget on helping kids and get the depratment of defense to do a telthon to raise funds to buy arms?


It is a thread about getting our priorities wrong. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

If you chose to make it about Israel I suppose that is your prerogative but all that achieves is getting yet another thread closed. Surely, if you want to talk about Israel, you should start your own thread rather than hijack someone else's?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 04:36 AM

Re your OP Dave, if there was a fundraiser for defence spending I would not give.
Likewise for road repairs, refuse collection or railway investment.

I think those things vitally important and underfunded, but should be funded from taxation like defence spending.

Do you think defence is one area of spending that is overfunded?
What current capabilities could we dispense with?
Should we be influenced in any way by Russia steadily increasing expenditure on armaments, or is that just silly?

Re Israel, Jim always tries to raise that subject in a thread if he possibly can.

Subject: RE: BS: Arms dealers in need
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Nov 17 - 05:37 AM

"Re Israel, Jim always tries to raise that subject in a thread if he possibly can."
And you use every opportunity to defend this foul regime
I raised the point because it ties in with the original point on arms
Arms is no longer a question of defence, if it ever has been.
It is a major industry designed to make people rich and as such, it is part of our national economy - that is why no government possessing the present political principles we have come to expect from our politicians, on the contrary, when arms profits fly in through the window, humanity flies out of the door (Israel's sales to a power using arms to ethnically cleanse is a readily on-hand example of that)
I had no intention of making this "about Israel" - those who broke their necks to defend those sales did that.
If we can't discuss in terms of why they exist today, then we are reduced to being a bunch of idealist dreamers
Arms are manufactured and sold for profit, the amount governments spend on them are why people are go short or can't get medical attention.
Those who say we cannot discuss those aspects of the subject are as censorial as the trolls
It really is as simple as that
Jim Carroll