Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Dec 17 - 02:22 AM

Tomorrow night, Steve (providing Mrs. Musket doesn't have him Confined To Barracks!). I might take my little Zoom H2 and record it for posterity! :-)

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 17 - 08:35 PM

Next time you meet up with Musket, John, ask him to sing that well-known Mudcat folk song, Rot My Flay-o!

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 Dec 17 - 02:28 PM

ROTFLMAO! :-) :-)

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 17 - 10:06 AM

Oh dear. According to the Daily Mash, it's all orff!

Royal wedding off after Meghan realises Harry not Ed Sheeran

THE royal wedding has been cancelled after Meghan Markle discovered Harry is not actually Ed Sheeran.

Markle was introduced to Harry as a ‘rich, famous, ginger Brit’ and assumed that could only be her favourite pop star.

When Harry realised the confusion, he maintained the illusion by pretending Prince Charles was Simon Cowell and Fergie was ‘Adele without any make-up’.

A palace insider said: “We thought it was weird she called him ‘Ed’, but maybe it was some kind of pet name.

“He’d claimed he’d bought his working class family a palace with all the royalties from Galway Girl, but that he wasn’t allowed to sing her any songs because technically that counts as a concert and he’d have to give his management ten million pounds.

“I think she realised a few weeks ago but it was all a bit awkward by that point.

“Luckily she has since met Ed Sheeran and is now engaged to him.”

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Allan Conn
Date: 04 Dec 17 - 10:16 AM

My mother had red hair but she had the kind of red hair colour that other women envied and men liked. Her sister on the other hand had more a ginger colour and did as a youngster receive a lot of stick for it. Maybe less so here in Scotland as it is more common here. Obviously it is true that it isn't the same as racial abuse etc - but it is also true that bullying like that also affects many youngsters. I had a pretty serious speech impediment as a youngster and it was bad enough having it without being mimicked and reminded about it. It didn't affect me too much as I had plenty of friends etc and was big enough that kids often only did it once - but at the same time I am pretty sure it dented my confidence a bit. I know others in speech therapy were affected worse and had a much harder time at school. You kind of know that kids are going to act like that because someone maybe can't speak as well, or they have ginger hair, or they are very small etc etc etc but you kind of expect grown ups not to reinforce that kind of behaviour!

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Dec 17 - 05:09 PM

Like piloting an Apache helicopter against the taliban perhaps???????

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Dec 17 - 12:26 PM

Bonz - in this context is "a poached egg" a euphemism for some kind of kinky posh boy sexual activity
young 'arry might be familiar with...?????

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 02 Dec 17 - 11:34 AM

Can she do a decent poached egg I wonder? I'd wager that Harry can, having been in the army!

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 07:45 AM

Not my cup o'tea at all. Prefer my missus.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 07:44 AM

Perfectly suits my toe fetish...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 07:15 AM

Ok, so let's divert cruel attention away from 'arry's ginger bonce...

His new mrs to be.. in profile, her nose looks like a big toe....

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 07:12 AM

He does have his compensations.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 07:07 AM

Point taken, Dave.

Although I agree, I still don't accept that the colour of his hair, or his mother's choice of sexual partners, is a good reason to slag off any young man, let alone one who, through an accident of birth, is constantly in the public eye, and is prevented by royal protocol from responding as he might wish.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 07:05 AM

Someone who takes the piss out of your hair colour and nowt else has an uphill struggle in his career as a bully. Real bullying is concerted, insidious and attritional, and often subtle.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 06:24 AM

On balance I tend to tolerate humorous mild piss taking over sanctimonious moral high ground seizing & monopolising..

which in itself is a much more insidious control freak form of bullying...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 05:48 AM

The only point I am making Doug and BWM is that 'schoolyard bullying' or its grown up equivalent is not in the same league as the race discrimination that the world is still witnessing. There is no KKK hanging people with red hair. There is no National Front beating up blondes. There is no fundamentalists burning the churches of those who wear glasses. (Khmer Rouge excepted!)

I said right at the outset that I accept it is a problem but I still believe that there is no comparison of scale or intensity. If you believe there is, fine, that is your opinion and you are as entitled to it as I am to mine.

DtG

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 05:39 AM

Lost

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 05:29 AM

Speccy four-eyes. Shorty-pants (short pants and being called Shaw in synergy). Football pitch bullying for making mistakes (in the house team only as a makeweight, a great scapegoat when we list). Dunno really. Part of growing up is learning to roll with the punches. The job of the adults around kids is to be vigilant as to the nature of the bullying. Is it sporadic rough and tumble or is it concerted? Of course it ain't right to take the piss out of someone's ginger hair, but if the victim is really going under ostensibly because of that the chances are that the bullies are exploiting other vulnerabilities. A great ginger guy with a rounded personality could even turn the joshing to his advantage...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 05:00 AM

Well they can't have been that bright then, if they didn't take their glasses off whenever the Khmer Rouge came round caling...


PFR - a speccy smart arse weirdo geek since the age of 8...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 04:56 AM

Amen, Doug.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 04:55 AM

Dave the Gnome,

Having your life made a misery, to the point of ending it, is a pretty big denial of civil rights.

Hair colour is just one bullet in the magazine of those who want to put others down for being different. The Khmer Rouge murdered people who wore glasses because they thought that they must be intellectuals.

DC

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 04:52 AM

Oh well, as long as people who are bullied kill themselves rather than be denied their civil rights or tortured by others, that's OK then, no problem?

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 04:36 AM

keberoxu

Dave the Gnome,
apropos ginger hair and discrimination,

have you ever heard of dumb blond/blonde ?

Yes, I have. I have still not heard of people being tortured, enslaved or being denied their civil rights because of their hair colour.

Doug

Playground bullying is in the same league as true racial abuse when it leads to the victims developing eating disorders, self abusing or committing suicide.

Yes it is. I have still not heard of people being tortured, enslaved or being denied their civil rights because of their hair colour.

DtG

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Dec 17 - 03:54 AM

.....is not in the same league as true racial abuse.

Despite the old saying, name-calling can hurt just as much as sticks and stones. Playground bullying is in the same league as true racial abuse when it leads to the victims developing eating disorders, self abusing or committing suicide.

Prince Harry has devoted much of his recent efforts to highlighting the problems of mental health. As I understand it, this is, in part, inspired by his own experiences growing up in the public spotlight. It isn't helped by people taking sideswipes at a personal trait over which he has no control.


DC

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: robomatic
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 07:26 PM

Some one who might've been a Yank trotted out this ol' superiority rant upstairs:

You won't get much sympathy over here,Keith,
we gave those royal parasites the heave-ho
more than 2 centuries ago.

Oh, really, and we don't amplify their doings and promote our offspring to marry their offspring and celebrate crass/class difference? And we don't employ thousands of 'razzi to chase down our underworld heros and our publicity seekers? Seems to me with the lack of the official self appointed social parasites we have burdened ourselves with entire ships' bottoms of teredo worms with two legs.

So on behalf of the former colonials I wish to walk back that little superiority screed. We all know that we do feel superior, but not for that negligible advantage.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 02:54 PM

...unless he drops his pants (again). Mind you, I'm all too conscious of that Billy Connolly song that went:

Ah Jesus Christ I'm nearly forty
My pubic hair is turning grey...

So if 'arry goes bald by the age of forty all his troubles will evaporate!

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 01:37 PM

Well if 'arry's hair continues to thin and fall out at this rate,
he eventually won't have any problem with cruel folks taking the piss for him being a ginger....

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 01:33 PM

Dave the Gnome,
apropos ginger hair and discrimination,

have you ever heard of dumb blond/blonde ?
Ask Dolly Parton.
Also there are men who get harassed for that reason
-- I recall a church choir director, and he's one of the good ones,
who was sick and tired of the dumb-blond prejudice.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Allan Conn
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 12:25 PM

Though Backwoodsman just because their is an elected Head of State it doesn't mean that needs to be a powerful figure. I can't imagine the UK is likely to go republican anytime soon - but if it did I imagine they would plump more for the Irish type of Head of State.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 11:53 AM

LOL!

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 11:06 AM

The Mash has reported that Trump has retweeted "Britain First" in order to get an invitation to the royal wedding.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 10:41 AM

No, I don't think that Steve. However, the Blairs, Camerons and Mays of this world do not have the same executive powers as a President, and they are not Heads of State. In that way, their powers are limited by the Sovereignty of Parliament, and they can't just do as they like. Not completely under control, but perhaps more so than they would be if they had presidential powers.

I believe that the Head of State should be what the monarch is - merely a figure-head with little power. I would like to see much of the ostentation of monarchy done away with, I don't understand the need for all those palaces and mansions, for instance, and I'd like to see the wider royal family relegated to the same status as the rest of us.

I understand the desire for an elected head of state, and I understand the dislike of our monarchical system, but we are currently seeing, across the pond, that electing a head of state is no guarantee of getting the best person in charge, and at least our monarch doesn't have her thumb on the Big Red Button. I don't think you'd ever see her re-tweeting 'Britain First' racist shit either!

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: meself
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 10:26 AM

"our pissed-up party-shag" ... ?! I've never even had a "pissed-up party-shag" .... How was it? What did I miss??

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 10:25 AM

My mum is 85.. I can understand how her generation of women
could grow up as working class labour voting fans of the royals..

But my mrs... she's as much a modern progressive lefty as I am..
we were students together during the miner's strike..she's even got an MA..
and 30 years career in the local authority public sector care services..

.. no.. I can't accept her gushing over royal weddings and babies the way she does.. the traitor...

I think in her mind they must be on the same celebrity level as Catherine Zeta-Jones & Charlotte Church...!!!??????

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 10:12 AM

Are you suggesting that the royals somehow limit the ability of the Blairs, Camerons and Mays to do bad things? I don't think so, John! And don't forget that they represent and help to perpetuate unearned privilege and to legitimise unearned, inherited wealth and the possession of stolen land....

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 08:45 AM

"We, however, are able to misbehave in comparative privacy, without a horde of cameras observing our every move, in reasonable certainty that our pissed-up party-shag won't appear on Twitter the next morning. "

Not any more.. cam phone cretin culture with instant internet uploads has effed it up for all of us out on a nights drinking...


A senior workmate of my wife's has just this week been reprimanded and put on serious warning at work for private facebooking...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 08:27 AM

As I say, Steve, we are who we are. None of us can change the family we were born into, or the up-bringing we were given, the schools we were put through, the expectations placed on us by our parents, whatever. Hate the system, by all means, but don't hate the individuals who are there because of who their parents are/were.

And, given a choice, I'd take a powerless, benevolent monarch over a President Trump, President Cameron, President Blair, or President May every time. At least our monarch can't lead us into a nuclear holocaust.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 08:00 AM

He lives in a bubble. People who live in bubbles quite often think they can do or say what they please. Think Hollywood, White House, Parliament and celeb culture to name just a few recent examples. Think expenses fraud, awful tweets and sex abuse. Privilege can bring with it unfortunate attitudes and unwanted consequences. The royals have got the time, money and other resources to do the good things you've mentioned and it's jolly good, it can't be gainsaid. There are millions of people wiping people's bottoms in care homes or swabbing hospital floors who are doing just as much good, if not more, and they are doing it unsung and for next to nothing. Worth remembering. We wouldn't miss the royals.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 07:48 AM

And can any of us claim, truthfully, to never - ever - have behaved in a way we probably shouldn't, said things best left unsaid, shown ourselves in a bad light?

We, however, are able to misbehave in comparative privacy, without a horde of cameras observing our every move, in reasonable certainty that our pissed-up party-shag won't appear on Twitter the next morning.

I recall a good number of my school-friends, and young adult mates, who thought it was 'clever' and 'funny' to pretend to be Nazis, or Nazi-supporters. But we saw the error of our ways, we grew up.

Like many of those around in the seventies, I pissed myself laughing at 'Love Thy Neighbour', and referred to black people as 'wogs', 'spades', and 'nig-nogs', called Asian people 'Pakis'. But I saw the error of my ways, I grew up.

As a fairly senior royal, his employment possibilities are fairly limited, and are understandably affected by security concerns. In recent years, he's given publicity - via such vehicles as the Invictus Games - to the plight of injured armed-forces veterans, and spoken on a number of other social and ecological issues. Since he did the things you've described, Steve, there is every indication that he's seen the error of his ways, he's grown up.

I hope my faith is justified. Time will tell.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 07:14 AM

Unjustified

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 07:12 AM

I wasn't making fun. I was answering Joe's question. I've never made fun of a redhead by using those terms.

On the other hand, our 'arry has been in trouble not just for wagging his naked bottom at a phone camera whilst giving a young lady a good backwards seeing-to and showing up at a party wearing Nazi regalia, he also indulged in "good-natured banter" in his barrack-room days by calling fellow recruits "ragheads" and "my little Paki friend." Sort of puts the (admittedly unjustied) joshing about his hair colour into context...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:37 AM

Well, bugger me backwards! I agree with Keefie!

I completely fail to understand this obsession some people have with 'Azza's parentage. None of us, not one has any responsibility for who begat us. If his family accept him as one of them, who are we to heap that kind of unpleasantness on him?

Y'know, there are a lot of far, far more important things in this world to bother our pretty little heads over.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:21 AM

I don't think anyone has been subjected to torture, slavery or civil rights abuses based on the colour of their hair, Doug, but point taken. It can be seen as insulting, particularly by the recipient, but it is not in the same league as true racial abuse. To categorise them as being the same is detracting from the fight against true inequality between races.

In my opinion.

DtG

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 06:11 AM

The colour of his hair. Ginger nut. Carrot top. Rusty bonce.

How does making fun of someone using insulting terms based on the colour of their hair differ from those based on the colour of their skin?

DC

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:31 AM

No-one needs an "excuse" for their hair colour.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:23 AM

The colour of his hair. Ginger nut. Carrot top. Rusty bonce. If referring to the hair down south, fire-crutch. Hope this helps.

His excuse for having hair that colour is that it's in the Spencer family (Diana's side). He's almost certainly right.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 30 Nov 17 - 05:21 AM

Harry has reddish hair Joe.

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 09:11 PM

What's ginger mean in this context?

Joe, uninitiated

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 06:01 PM

We desperately need another series of The Windsors. I can't wait to hear what Parpp Middleton thinks of all this...

Subject: RE: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle engaged-Nov 2017
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 29 Nov 17 - 03:32 PM

This where it could get really weird regarding conspiracy theories about secret lives of the royals...

what if 'arry's ginger gene was passed down from... Fergie...!!!!!!?????