BS: Damian Green

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:34 AM

"I did not say he was telling the truth or that the ex-cop lied."
You implied both - you don't have the courage of your convictions to say what you really mean but your intention has been obvious each time you do it
You "didn't support" Ukip, but you argued their case and denigrated their critics - just as you have done with Greene
It's called 'fellow travelling'
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:33 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:27 AM
THe police and Government have been aware of the contents of Green's computer since 2013 and have sat on it for political expediency
Jim Carroll

Or, possibly because they were aware that no laws had been broken.

And according to several sources, the police no longer hold this information, hence the fact that Bob Quick is reliant on a personal record which he has illegally retained.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:33 AM

Keith - we knew he was lying because he is a high ranking tory politician...

It's such an obvious sure bet...!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:28 AM

... and it's not too far fetched to consider how much of Green's public disgrace has actually been stirred up covertly by the tory far right,
as a devious ploy to weaken and replace May with Bozzer.
Or whoever they prefer for PM this week...

It must be fun right now in Tory drinking clubs up and down the nation,
watching the various factions at each other's throats for xmas.....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:28 AM

Jim,
"he should have been suspended while the enquiry proceeded."
As should Green - no word of condemnation on that one though

I meant Green Jim.

PFR,
You can just honestly admit you backed the wrong man and party,

I did not back him.
I did not say he was telling the truth or that the ex-cop lied.
I just objected to you people assuming his guilt without any evidence.
It was just a prejudiced witch hunt.

your dogged blinkered support

That is just made up shit. I did not support him at all except to point out the absence of any evidence of his guilt, apart from the evidence Steve and Jim made up.


You can take a more honourable path of backing down and eating humble pie...

Willingly. Just provide a quote of me saying something that has been proved wrong.
You will not find one.

My, and several other's, main concern has been Green'e persistent blatant lying,

How did you know he was lying before he was sacked?
There was no evidence. You just assumed it out of prejudice.
I kept an open mind.

Rag,
Anyone making such an allegation would be a fool to do so if they did not have conclusive, incontrovertible evidence to back up that claim.
As a ex police officer Bob Quick is probably more aware of this than most people.

He had been caught lying about the Tories before and had to withdraw and make a grovelling apology to them, so not that aware.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:27 AM

THe police and Government have been aware of the contents of Green's computer since 2013 and have sat on it for political expediency
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:08 AM

"Green has been sacked for breaching the ministerial code. "
Members of your party are now demanding that the whistleblowers should be jailed for disclosing what is really happening in their rat-holes
At least An Garda Síochána in Ireland confine their activities to just smearing the whistleblower
What next Traitor's Gate or Tyburn Hill
What a shower of self-serving crooks
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:05 AM

An interesting article on the BBC today regarding this matter.

Some posters on here seem to believe that only Quick knew of the alleged pornographic material on Greens computer but the article clearly states that Sir Paul Stephenson (Met Commissioner at the time) was also aware of this.

BBC Article

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 07:55 AM

Nigel, I have said it before and I will repeat it.

Anyone making such an allegation would be a fool to do so if they did not have conclusive, incontrovertible evidence to back up that claim.

As a ex police officer Bob Quick is probably more aware of this than most people.

Perhaps this is the reason why Damien Green has not taken legal action against him.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 07:51 AM

All along I've been promoting the notion that porn is a diversion and distraction in this case.
My, and several other's, main concern has been Green'e persistent blatant lying,
and self preserving attempt to shift blame even if it destroys other people.

What a cad and rotter...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 07:34 AM

Just a couple of facts to try to lower the level of jubilation:

Green has been sacked for breaching the ministerial code. He has admitted to this.

The fact that he breached the ministerial code (in lying about when he first was made aware of the porn on the computer) does not show that he either downloaded or viewed that porn, which he still denies.

The fact that he is guilty of breaching the ministerial code does not mean that the ex-policeman is innocent of breaching the Data Protection Act, or, possibly of sections of P.A.C.E. (Police & criminal evidence).

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 07:33 AM

One small step for mankind is a giant step for Keith....

I'd give him credit for taking that step.....

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 07:22 AM

That's not difficult though is it PFR ............ seeing as you have none at the moment!!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 07:15 AM

Keith - how many more shovels and pick-axes are you going to wear out digging this deep hole for yourself...

There is actually a more dignified way for you to end this silliness.

You can just honestly admit you backed the wrong man and party,
and that you are yourself heavily disappointed to be so badly let down
for giving your dogged blinkered support to such cynical and ruthless self preserving liars...

You can take a more honourable path of backing down and eating humble pie...

That's what I'd do... and if you did that, I for one would have more respect for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 06:41 AM

"he should have been suspended while the enquiry proceeded."
As should Green - no word of condemnation on that one though
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 05:15 AM

"I did not, but I agree he should have been suspended while the enquiry proceeded."
You have described him as "discredited" from day one in order to defend this liar
And you totally ignore the implications of the Government covering up this unfit for office politician
You are defending what amounts to a political Mafia working as a self-interest driven team
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 05:08 AM

Do what I do.
Quote what has actually been said and then address it.

What, like Labour was in government, and have not indicated any prior knowledge of any of this. Labour leadership would not have sat on such damning knowledge.

No evidence. No quotes. Pure supposition. You, Keith, are the most hypocritical person it has ever been my misfortune to come across. There is no point in even attempting any level of serious discussion with you as you will twist what others say, lie about what already has been said and, when all that fails, change the 'rules' just to save face. It is little wonder that people resort to abuse. You deserve every bit of it. What is amazing is that you have been allowed to go on so long and we all let you carry on with your stupid game.

Once again I propose that everyone ignores you and if they wish to acknowledge your posts at all they use the acronym SADGIT (Seen And Duly Given Indifferent Treatment)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:58 AM

Jim,
And ho do you turn on - the whistleblower - that's who

I did not, but I agree he should have been suspended while the enquiry proceeded.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:56 AM

BWM,
I have no need to 'produce' anything,

In my opinion, if you make a claim about what someone has said, you should substantiate it.

Your problem is that you are lying about me and can not substantiate your false accusations.

Do what I do.
Quote what has actually been said and then address it.
That is how discussion works.

Personal attack has no place.
You resort to it because you have nothing else.
You reveal your inadequacy.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:56 AM

Keith
The real wrongdoers here are a government who have kept a man under suspicion of sexuakl harassmen in a responsible position at a time when they needed serious, reliable leaders to steer them through what is turning out to be a crisis
They did so, not for the good of the country but to protect their own arses, just as they have done a deal with terrorist linked sectarian nutters for exactly the same reason
This is career politics at its most evposed
And ho do you turn on - the whistleblower - that's who
Nothing changes with some people
Only a lying idiot would attempt to claim that they didn't know what Green is so please don't disappoint us
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:50 AM

Can you provide any evidence of that? After all...

Labour was in government, and have not indicated any prior knowledge of any of this.
Labour leadership would not have sat on such damning knowledge.

Quick does not and never claimed to have informed the Tory Party.
The enquiry found that it had been reported to Green and his lawyer.
It did not find that it had been reported to anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:48 AM

"If you can find any bullshit in my posts, please produce it.
Good luck with that because there is none.

You never give up, do you? I've told you before, I have no need to 'produce' anything, and I'm not going to be led by the nose in your schoolyard games. This thread is littered with examples of your feeble-minded bullshit, your circular arguments, your wriggling and word-twisting when challenged, your deceit, and your shameless trolling. It's all there for anyone to see.

So, I say again...GTFU.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:39 AM

He did not report it to the government or to the Tory Party or anyone else at the time.

Can you provide any evidence of that? After all...

I refused to accuse either in the absence of any evidence.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:36 AM

And desist from smearing Quick, Keith.

I do not.
Everyone knows that Quick had already made false allegations against Tories, which he had to withdraw and issue a grovelling apology for.

Or do you deny that fact Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:34 AM

Steve,

A policeman saw pornography on a computer and, technically against the rules, felt obliged to blow the whistle and tell the truth about it,

Who to?
He only told Green himself, so he did not break any rules until he went public nine years later.
He did not report it to the government or to the Tory Party or anyone else at the time.

You can decide which of the two men possessed the greater integrity and who was more honest. It isn't hard.

Not now it isn't. We know it was Green who lied.
I refused to accuse either in the absence of any evidence.

You people operate on prejudice and witch hunt. That is all I was critical of.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:27 AM

Good grief, the grapes are sour this morning...

A policeman saw pornography on a computer and, technically against the rules, felt obliged to blow the whistle and tell the truth about it, quite likely as a consequence other allegations had been made public.

The second most powerful politician in the country and May's chief confidant lied to parliament and lied to the country (and either he lied to her or she has been complicit in the lie for weeks - discuss).

There you have it. You can decide which of the two men possessed the greater integrity and who was more honest. It isn't hard.

And desist from smearing Quick, Keith. You are the first to complain about lack of evidence. You have no evidence that he acted out of a grudge. You've already picked the wrong horse once. Don't compound your error.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:23 AM

Nothing better than to wake up to the sight of two Tories running around like headless rats
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:14 AM

SADGIT

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:13 AM

BWM,
So the evidence DID exist. No need to apologise for all the bullshit, Keefy

If you can find any bullshit in my posts, please produce it.
Good luck with that because there is none.

We knew that one of them was lying.
I kept an open mind because there was no evidence either way.
I never accused either.
I did strongly criticise all you people who assumed Green's guilt in the absence of any evidence, and even making up false facts about him.
That was just prejudice.

Rag,
I wonder if people on this site will provide an apology to the police officers they have so severely castigated over the past couple of weeks.

The police themselves have been critical of these ex-officers, and they are currently under investigation.
Quick had already made false allegations against Tories, which he had to withdraw and issue a grovelling apology for.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:05 AM

From: Backwoodsman - PM
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:06 PM
So the evidence DID exist. No need to apologise for all the bullshit, Keefy - we knew it was bullshit all along (as we kept telling you).

If you read the news, or watch the news on the BBC, there is still no evidence (apart from the statement of the opinion of one ex-policeman) that Green downloaded, or viewed, porn on his office computer.
He has resigned(or been sacked) because he lied to parliament about when he became aware of the presence of porn on that computer.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:00 AM

I wonder if people on this site will provide an apology to the police officers they have so severely castigated over the past couple of weeks.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:59 AM

Sorry Jim. I hang my head in shame. Unlike Green :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:27 AM

"This man has been proven to be a liar."
A bit more than this Steve
If you listen to the commentary if becomes obvious that the Government have been aware that he was lying all along and have refused to act on it because of the destabilising effect that it would have had if they had not done so - crooks and liars covering up for one of their own.
"Hahahahahahahaha..................."
Shame on you Dave, on two counts
There's nothing funny about being Governed by crooks and liars - and didn't your parents ever tell you you should never laughed at the afflicted?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:26 AM

quite a pointed point. Not the porn per se, but the abuse of power in saying "I'm above all that" when disregarding the potential infiltration of a government employee's tool. As it were.
Reckless and in charge. Very pointed IMNSHO

Porn I would give him if it kept his hand off a reporter's knee.

Thanks for the spoiler DtG but I didn't need an alert to not to watch it. :-|

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:08 AM

I'm neither laughing nor crowing.

I am.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Cock a doodle do.

:-)

Incidentally I watched the series finale of Peaky Blinders last night. Very good it was too.

***Spoiler alert***Spoiler alert***Spoiler alert***
Do not read the next sentence if you intend watching it later.

It was no surprise to me that a vicious criminal made a natural career progression into parliament :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 06:49 PM

I'm neither laughing nor crowing. I've said all along that we want people in power who are trustworthy and who possess integrity. This man has been proven to be a liar. He's actually admitted it. And, Keith, the porn was there. It's hardly the point, actually, but the porn was there. And he lied. Good riddance to bad, scheming Tory rubbish, and I hope he will now apologise to the two policemen who have been dragged through the mud whilst he was trying to divert blame on to them. A disgraceful man, propped up for far too long by a disgraceful woman.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Mr Red
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:42 PM

A Tory Gov spokesman on Radio 4 just now was a pains to say "...I don't want to minimise the situation but let's put it in perspective...." and followed it with the obfuscating gem "...all parties have had these issues ......"

party gobbledegook at its finest IMNSHO.

ya gotta larf sumtimes.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 05:06 PM

So the evidence DID exist. No need to apologise for all the bullshit, Keefy - we knew it was bullshit all along (as we kept telling you).

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 04:51 PM

Incidentally PFR the article in the Guardian says he was SACKED, not that he resigned.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 04:46 PM

Ooooooooooooops

I wonder if he will NOW take action against the police officers involved in the revelations of last month.

What do you reckon DtG ............ you don't have to answer that of course !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Dec 17 - 04:27 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42434802

Damian Green resigns from cabinet

"Damian Green, one of Theresa May's closest allies, has resigned from the cabinet after an investigation found he had breached the ministerial code.

He quit after he was found to have made "inaccurate and misleading" statements about what he knew about claims pornography had been found on a computer in his Commons office in 2008.

In his resignation letter, Mr Green apologised for his actions.

BBC's Laura Kuennsberg said the PM "had little choice but to ask him to go".

In her written response, Mrs May expressed "deep regret" at his departure.

Mr Green, who as first secretary of state was the PM's deputy, had been under investigation regarding allegations of inappropriate conduct.

He denied suggestions that he made unwanted advances to a female journalist, Kate Maltby, in 2015 and viewed pornography on a computer in his Commons office in 2008."

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 10:36 AM

I'm more than willing to discuss where the bar should be set, and I'm no prude. But, once we've set the bar, we should redefine what makes it over that bar as something other than pornography, which is best, I feel, retained as a suitably ugly word for an ugly, demeaning and exploitative phenomenon.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 07:28 AM

Jim - days, even weeks ago, I already made a distinction in this thread between good 'porn' and bad dehumanising exploitative 'porn' ..

If you remember I teasingly /cheekily compared it to the difference between amateur folk done purely for love of sharing the pursuit,
and cynical corporate commercial folk done purely for profit...

I am 10 years younger than you and Steve -
which is a crucial difference because radical feminism was already firmly in place
in colleges and art & media when my age group was in our teens in the late 1970s.
My sub generation of lefty progressive men, now in our late 50s grew up with feminism as an inescapable formative influence
on our attitudes, actions, and personalities.
It was not as much a challenge for us as it was for older lefty men to take on board, learn, and adapt to.

It is ingrained in my core - for good or bad..

Jim, I already know all you are saying on the subject, it was a prevailing authodoxy for a couple of decades,
but newer serious reappraisals and perspectives of those older tenets now exist to be considered.

Even feminists can and do enjoy a relaxing wank to nudey imagery and movies...

Expressions of sexuality should be apolitical, across gender and class.

I remind you again, it is too crude and unhelpfully puritanical
to condemn all 'porn' as bad, and all viewers of 'porn' therefore must be bad people..

There are other more useful sticks for us to thrash and humiliate tories with...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 07:04 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 03:48 AM

"It's too simplistic to assert all 'porn' is bad,"
When you debase a natural, essential and highly human act by marketing it at its lowest level, for profit, it is bad PFR
Nothing wrong with writing about sex - Lawrence and N?n did a good job of it; sex on the screen can be both titillating and artistically satisfying (some of those Scandinavian and French classics steered me through adolescence quite well...
As for Gershon Legman.... my hero.
I quite enjoyed Frank Harris when I discovered 'The Penguin Book of Erotic Prose' - but this as a long way from what we are talking about, which ranges from grunting and sucking to man, woman and child rape and snuff.
One you hang a price tag on something we all need the barriers are lifted to cater for the worst aspects of humanity
You should no more be able to sell sex than you should market air

I'm with PFR here, as I believe you are.
Not all porn is bad.
There are some who would classify the writings, films and erotic prose, which you believe are acceptable, as 'porn'.
Others would set the bar somewhat higher(or lower).

You should no more be able to sell sex than you should market air
Have you been on a garage forecourt recently? Most air pumps now make a charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Dec 17 - 03:48 AM

"It's too simplistic to assert all 'porn' is bad,"
When you debase a natural, essential and highly human act by marketing it at its lowest level, for profit, it is bad PFR
Nothing wrong with writing about sex - Lawrence and Nín did a good job of it; sex on the screen can be both titillating and artistically satisfying (some of those Scandinavian and French classics steered me through adolescence quite well...
As for Gershon Legman.... my hero.
I quite enjoyed Frank Harris when I discovered 'The Penguin Book of Erotic Prose' - but this as a long way from what we are talking about, which ranges from grunting and sucking to man, woman and child rape and snuff.
One you hang a price tag on something we all need the barriers are lifted to cater for the worst aspects of humanity
You should no more be able to sell sex than you should market air
I was never a trendy free lover - I didn't have to; the people I hung around with tended to shared my view that love and affection could be expressed physically as well as emotionally without having to resort to having to turn to marketed goods
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 09:57 PM

Let's keep it in perspective chaps..

good socialist and liberal folks can also enjoy viewing nudey pictures...

It's too simplistic to assert all 'porn' is bad, therefore all folks who view it are tory rotters...

..and while a tory minister is having a long recreational wank, that's less time he/she is screwing the nation...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 08:15 PM

Iains still hasn't responded to the clear implication that he's a porn apologist and porn user. He seems to think that we're all at it, a presumption that would give him comfort, undoubtedly. How unfortunate that he's found that so many of us are outraged and disgusted by that which he appears to find so normal and so, er, satisfying. And PLEASE don't make me quote that infamous sentence of yours again, Iains...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 01:28 PM

Further information from your totally untraceable blogger]Iains

Born in Poland, Jewish physician Magnus Hirschfeld manufactured the perverted pseudo-science known as ‘sexology’. He and his followers became famous for promoting various social ills to undermine European society, such as Pederasty (homosexual paedophilia) homosexuality, radical feminism and abortion.

Lord Longford (Marxist Labour peer and uncle to Marxist and known Zionist Labour party Shadow Secretary of State and Shadow Deputy Prime Minister

Harriet Harman) - Was obsessed with paedophile child killer Myra Hindley
Harriet Harman (Known Zionist) campaigned tirelessly to get the age of consent abolished.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 12:45 PM

Made a saart of this list

Derrick Hemingsley - no trace of trial or conviction
The Labour Party suspended Neil Taggart in October 2016 when it became aware of the allegations he was facing
Moray Labour councillor Sean Morton Untraceable
Labour councillor Tom Neilson, Likewise
Labour Party city councillor Steven Bayes   likewise
David Fagan thrown out of Party
Tom O'Carroll likewise
Tom Watson's paedophile uncle should have chosen his relatives more carefully ? give us a ******* break!
Terry Brooke Not charged
Simon Carter Kicked out of the party
Peter Prendeville - no trace other than on this site
Andrew Palmer likewise
Pete Townsend was involved in politics half a century ago

Got this far and I realsised where all this was coming from
Jewish Labour Paedophile councillor and Head teacher Malcolm Ford
This "information" is drawn from a fascist, anti-Semitic site - you may wish to give credence to shite like this, but as far as I?m concerned, you are on your own
What did I just say about the BNP, Ukip and the rest?
You really are a little goose-stepper, aren't you?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Dec 17 - 12:25 PM

See the note here.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42151148