BS: Damian Green

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:50 PM

"Derek Bentley. Timothy Evans. Barry George. Winston Silcott. Stephen Downing. Guildford Four. Birmingham Six"
Must all have been guilty - they weren't drunken, Tory Hooray Henrys, or British bobbies smashing Blair Peach's head into a wall
Stands to reason
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:46 PM

If I was a tory, especially an activist, or party official;
I'd dread to have support from the likes of Keith & Iains....
I'd seriously want to distance the party from the hindrance of such embarrassing liabilities....

But of course I'm not and never will be..

So keep up the sterling good work chaps...!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 12:24 PM

"I am not supporting the authorities.
I am supporting jury trial.
You would have had him convicted because, as a Tory, he must be guilty.
That was your position on Green too.
You have no concept of fairness or justice. Like Stalin, you prefer show trials where no actual evidence is required."

What a completely, utterly ridiculous post, Keith.

So you're supporting jury trial, eh? Of course, there have never been miscarriages perpetrated by jury trials, have there, Keith? Derek Bentley. Timothy Evans. Barry George. Winston Silcott. Stephen Downing. Guildford Four. Birmingham Six...any more for any more...?

And one fine day you are really going to have to face the fact that Damian Green WAS guilty. Of lying, and *quite likely* of other things that he's denied that come under the heading of naughty-though-not-illegal, such as downloading and using pornography on his work computer and propositioning a young woman from his position of power. Whatever the irregularity of the process that exposed him, we've got rid of a bad man. You should at least be happy with that aspect of it, but nooooo, just sour grapes. I wasn't happy with the way that the Ceausescus were finally "seen to," but I was bloody glad to see the back of them. And we haven't forgotten how you tirelessly applied antisemitism smears all over those Labour politicians without a scrap of evidence bar the stretching of points and the adjusting of definitions over the things they said. You backed Green for the same reason that you accuse us of for going for him - simply because he's a Tory. You attacked those Labour people for the simple reason that they were Labour people. Shame on you.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 11:18 AM

Armstrong's previous record

"The allegations emerged as part of the “Tatler Tory” bullying scandal which blew up after Mark Clarke was accused of bullying fellow Tory activist Elliott Johnson who later committed suicide.
Armstrong furiously denied any wrong-doing at the time and no further action was taken.
But he was barred from last year’s Tory party conference and allowed to work again for Mr Mackinlay earlier this year.
Mr Halfon is said to have told the Government Whips Office that it was “ridiculous” that Mr Armstrong had been employed.
He urged that the party should cut all ties with Armstrong.
It is thought he also made his view personally known to Craig MacKinlay MP - who employed Mr Armstrong as his Chief of Staff - but nothing was done.
Last night Mr Harper told The Sun that “given the nature of the case and the fact that there is a criminal investigation, I am not going to comment.”
Mr Halfon declined the opportunity to comment.
Clarke - nicknamed the Tatler Tory after the society magazine tipped him for high office - was kicked out of the Tories for life after a storm of bullying allegations engulfed the party last autumn.
Mr Armstrong was banned from the Conservative Party Conference in 2015 but it last night emerged Tory HQ had lifted this bar for this year’s party gathering earlier this month.
On Tory source said last night: “He wasn’t barred - he was there. The ban was quietly lifted.”"

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:56 AM

"Where did you get that from Jim?"
You've had the quote - another fact you have chosen to ignore
"I am supporting jury trial."
While ignoring the fact that women are the worst served by the jury system

"More than 80 per cent of the 1,600 respondents said they did not report their assault to the police, while 29 per cent said they told nobody – not even a friend or family member – of their ordeal."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/unreported-rapes-the-silent-shame-7561636.html

You are the first to defend the great and the good, as you did with Green, by undermining what has turned our to be a fact by denigrating the trustworthiness of the police

The twat who was acquitted appears to have raped a drunken woman and claimed "she asked for it"
THere is enough evidence that he has a record of going to extreme lengths to get his own way - he is a Tory bully - thaty should have been a factor in the verdict
Instead, the victims mental problems, which should have been used in her favour, becomes a factor in his acquittal
I make nothing up Keith, unlike you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:39 AM

Jim,
And the prosecution continued to insist that their case was a sound one

Where did you get that from Jim?
Another made up fact!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:38 AM

You choose only to suppost the authorities when it suits your inhuman agenda

I am not supporting the authorities.
I am supporting jury trial.
You would have had him convicted because, as a Tory, he must be guilty.
That was your position on Green too.
You have no concept of fairness or justice. Like Stalin, you prefer show trials where no actual evidence is required.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 10:25 AM

"The jury unanimously cleared him of all charges."
And the prosecution continued to insist that their case was a sound one
You choose only to suppost the authorities when it suits your inhuman agenda
The woman was extremely dunk and in no position to consent and immediately afterwards screamed of having been raped
She had a history of mental problems which should have been taken into account to explain here mental state at the time
If it were a man being defended all this would have been taken into consideration, as would the accused's record of loutish bullying during the Conservative bullying scandal that led to the suicide of one of the victims than
As I said, in today's system, a raped woman becomes the victim of having her life examined minutely while the sexual record of the man is never taken into consideration
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 08:13 AM

No Jim.
He was tried.
The jury unanimously cleared him of all charges.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 08:08 AM

"No, on the evidence."
The case was decided on the fact that the prosecution filed to expose the woman's mental history and that she had gont to the press - who's to blame her
Rape is the most unreported crime on the statute books due to the fact that if a woman takes a case to court she is raped all over again, this time by the defence - and in public
Why on earth do you defend this obscene inhumanity Keith - you never fail to do so, especially members of the establishment and the right are involved?
You make me thank God I'm not a Christian, if that's the way people display your religion.
Oh - I forgot how your Christianity has depicted the role of women
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Iains
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 08:02 AM

"THe relevant statement about the case is that there is no question that the suspect carried out the rapes"

I can see why little jimmie still wears short pants. He does not know the difference between fact and fiction.
And as you wish to make political capital out of anything and everything, try chewing on this

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 07:56 AM

On a technicality

No, on the evidence.
As in a number of recent rape cases evidence was illegally withheld from the defence which when revealed undermined the case.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 07:55 AM

"miners strike"
LEST WE FORGET
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 07:24 AM

not this gov PAL! Doesn't count, CHIEF! !-)

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 07:18 AM

"Much of the problem stems from the politicisation of the police under Blair's
maladministration"

ahem.... and one more time.. miners strike... anti poll tax marches.. etc.. etc...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 07:18 AM

"Much of the problem stems from the politicisation of the police under Blair's
maladministration"

ahem.... and one more time.. miners strike... anti poll tax marches.. etc.. etc...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 06:30 AM

"He has been cleared of any crime."
On a technicality
There is little doubt he committed the rapes.
Is championing rape and the denigration of women going to be your New Year's crusade Keith ?
Chacun gout I suppose
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 06:13 AM

THe relevant statement about the case is that there is no question that the suspect carried out the rapes

He has been cleared of any crime.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:55 AM

"The true facts minus the jimmie made up shit."
Well Adolphie
THe relevant statement about the case is that there is no question that the suspect carried out the rapes
Perhaps your sieg-heil blogger can throw more light on the facts - ask him at your next rally
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Iains
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:18 AM

The true facts minus the jimmie made up shit.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42431171
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/15/scotland-yard-carrying-out-urgent-assessment-after-trial-collapses

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/21/two-ex-police-officers-investigated-alleged-data-breaches-damian/

It does no favours to either society or the police for as long as these obvious failures continue to occur.
The system is in dire need of reform and the usual suspects hammering on to make purely political capital out of the subject seem totally oblivious to the flaws in the present structure of policing. Much of the problem stems from the politicisation of the police under Blair's
maladministration.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 05:13 AM

Why on earth should I respond somebody who draws his information from extremist anti semitic-sites
Theres's a limit a girl will go to for company
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 04:47 AM

Jim, Dave, resist the temptation to respond to that. Let's allow him to put himself out on an ever-longer limb.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Iains
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 04:40 AM

"A Tory MP's cheif of staff narrowly escaped conviction for 2 rapes when the jury decided that his victim's lawyers should have revealed that she went to the press after he had raped her and they (the jury) should have been made aware that she had a record of mental issues (apparently, those suffering mental problems aren't protected by rape laws!!)
The perpetrator's defence "did not claim that there was no case for him to answer" - he raped the woman and was let off on a technicality."

The above is a total distortion of the facts and a pack of lies jimmy.
As you are well aware! Can you not understand the facts, as they were reported?

No doubt your acolyte will respond with more of his abbreviation stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Dec 17 - 04:31 AM

How could we forget you Dave, even if you hardly ever contribute to the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Dec 17 - 01:53 PM

Jim, BWM, don't forget - SADGIT :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Dec 17 - 12:50 PM

More trouble looming for the dream team
Maylower has been accused of knowing of the accusations against Green when she appointed him
An in-house enquiry by the government has decided that it was OK for International Trade Minister, Mark Garnier to call his secretary, "sugar tits" and send her off to buy sex toys for him.
A Tory MP's cheif of staff narrowly escaped conviction for 2 rapes when the jury decided that his victim's lawyers should have revealed that she went to the press after he had raped her and they (the jury) should have been made aware that she had a record of mental issues (apparently, those suffering mental problems aren't protected by rape laws!!)
The perpetrator's defence "did not claim that there was no case for him to answer" - he raped the woman and was let off on a technicality.
At present, the sexual conduct of four more Tory MPs is "under investigation" and one was suspended from the party last month.
Two Labour Party MPs were suspended immediately for harassment
There at it like rabbits
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Dec 17 - 03:08 AM

An interesting twist is now developing. Green, we are assured, was not asked to leave because of pornography or sexual harassment but because he lied about what he knew. Let us just accept that for the moment.

Kate Malby is now asserting No 10 knew in 2016. And they have denied it. If Kate can provide evidence she told them, the conclusion will be uncomfortable.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 11:48 PM

Too late and tired to seek and post links...

But how sleazy, how squalid is Green...

What I say next is based on a number of reputable news reports i have read over the last week or so...

He is a rich powerful man who sees it as his right to have a young attractive mistress.
He groomed and chatted up the victim of his knee fondling with the line "My wife will understand".
The subject of his misplaced and unwanted attentions is the daughter of a couple who are Greens friends.

The British upper middle classes eh...???

It's like the plot of a vintage 1970s BBC Play for Today, or Crossroads...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:47 PM

"Damian Green: Vendetta or architect of his own downfall?"

That's the title (google it yourself as I'm bleedin' useless at doing links) of a very incisive and clear piece on the Beeb website by Danny Shaw, no relation, that clearly shows that this was no upshot of any police grudge, as alleged by Keith, but the upshot of Green's pack of lies, his attempt at deception compounded by his vile attempts to deflect blame on to others. There'll be no further action against those cops. There's too much more embarrassing dirty linen to be aired if that happens, and May will not escape the ordure flying from the fan. Just you watch! Tory bastards...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 06:36 PM

I've been solidly in Christmas rellie territory all day so I've missed out on all this. Just one or two things.

Does the end justify the means? As far as I'm concerned, whatever the rights, wrongs   or irregularities, what the whistleblowing policeman did was dead right. The upshot is that a dishonest (by his own admission, lest we forget) politician has been sacked. Not just white-lie dishonest but quite prepared to see others excoriated as he persisted in his denials. How bloody horribly ruthless and self-serving is that. Dunno about you, but I want every dishonest, ruthlessly self-serving politician removed from public office and I don't care which bloody party they're in. I don't want my country to be run by people who lack basic integrity, thank you.

The other thing is that Green has been a bosom buddy of May since they were at university together decades ago. Can it really be the case that she hasn't been complicit in all this? Either she was or she's a bit thick. Whichever is true, it means that she is unfit for office. I think we have a lot more to come out on this.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 03:04 PM

For someone who isn't defending this liar, you put up a somewhat persistent non-defence
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 01:59 PM

"Who says anyone can?"
Sigh - you implied it when you described their evidence as suspect
The man is admitted liar about porn - why shouldn't he be lying about harassing a fellow colleague?
If she is, by the way, it meands the whole of the Tory Party is riddled with liars, but we knew that anyway
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 01:46 PM

If policemen can be guilty without trail so can Government ministers

Who says anyone can?

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 01:43 PM

"How do you know he is that? "
If policemen can be guilty without trail so can Government ministers
I don't believe a fellow Tory would make such things up - why should she?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 01:28 PM

BWM
you've substantiated your own deviousness and stupidity right through this thread, and every other thread you infect.

Blah blah blah, but you can not produce a single example because it is a lie.

all very simple to find.

Prove it liar. Find some.

you are the very epitome of that condition, as evidenced by the childish, schoolyard games you play incessantly,

You mean not indulging in schoolyard name calling, quoting any statement I challenge and backing everything I say.

You are incapable of such rational discussion. That is an inadequacy.

Set your childish traps elsewhere,

Asking you to justify your abusive claims is not setting a trap.
Your inability to do it does confirm your inadequacy however.

Jim,
We'd have nerer know that a senior mininterin the Tory Government was a sexual predator

How do you know he is that?
Having legal porn on your office computer does not make you a sexual predator.
Again you are assuming guilt with no evidence.

I don't make anything up Keith - the police authorities were told and they were bound by duty to pass that information to those concerned

You did make it up. It would have been illegal for them to do so.

Green engaged hsi legal advisors to deal with the police in 2013; do you honestly believe that his bosses were unaware of all this going on ?

Yes. Both are bound by rules of confidentiality.

Only a lying idiot would attempt to claim that they didn't know what Green is so please don't disappoint us"
I got that one right - didn't I?
Credit where credit's due

What is he then? He does not even admit seeing the stuff. All we know is it was on an office computer and it was just stuff that millions look at every day.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 01:11 PM

"It is illegal for the police to divulge any information found in a search if it does not relate to a crime."
Aren't we lucky these particular coppers did - somewhat out of character for their occupation
We'd have nerer know that a senior mininterin the Tory Government was a sexual predator
Funny thing - the shit tat the law manages to keep from the public - innit?
"When Jim says the Tories were told, he was making that up."
I don't make anything up Keith - the police authorities were told and they were bound by duty to pass that information to those concerned
Green engaged hsi legal advisors to deal with the police in 2013; do you honestly believe that his bosses were unaware of all this going on ?
"Only a lying idiot would attempt to claim that they didn't know what Green is so please don't disappoint us"
I got that one right - didn't I?
Credit where credit's due
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 12:55 PM

"In my opinion, if you make a claim about what someone has said, you should substantiate it.

Your problem is that you are lying about me and can not substantiate your false accusations.

Do what I do.
Quote what has actually been said and then address it.
That is how discussion works.

Personal attack has no place.
You resort to it because you have nothing else.
You reveal your inadequacy."

I have no need to 'substantiate' it - you've substantiated your own deviousness and stupidity right through this thread, and every other thread you infect. The evidence is here aplenty - anyone who is sufficiently masochistic as to inflict your childish, OCD scribblings on themselves can see it, all very simple to find.

You are a very foolish little man, and absolutely the last one who should accuse others of inadequacy - you are the very epitome of that condition, as evidenced by the childish, schoolyard games you play incessantly, and which you're still attempting to drag me into.

Set your childish traps elsewhere, you're just making an even bigger fool of yourself here.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 12:38 PM

Wow, even Jeremy Corbyn can't claim to be without sin...

Not in the same league as Damien Green 'The Hand-Shandy Kid' though!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 11:40 AM

Seems to be a great deal of fuss about nothing!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 11:18 AM

Rag,
It is totally inconceivable that the police could raid any office in any major enterprise and the subject of that raid be able to keep it a secret from their superiors.

It is illegal for the police to divulge any information found in a search if it does not relate to a crime.

The searches of Green's home and offices revealed no evidence of any crime and should never have been conducted.

The leaks themselves were judged by the CPS to be not secret and not a threat to national security. The DPP at that time was Keir Starmer, now a Labour Shadow Minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 10:58 AM

Dave, no-one except Jim has claimed that the police told anyone except Green and his lawyer.
When Jim says the Tories were told, he was making that up.
Can you, Jim or anyone else produce anything to support that?
No. It is bollocks.

I said that the Tories were not told because no-one in the world has claimed that they were.
If they had been told, the independent enquiry would have found that along with the evidence that Green was told, no doubt provided by the police themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 10:02 AM

Jim, In claiming that the government knew of the allegations several years ago I believe you are 100% correct.

It is totally inconceivable that the police could raid any office in any major enterprise and the subject of that raid be able to keep it a secret from their superiors.

Anyone suggesting such is either trying to make excuse for the subject of the raid or, or likely, is a complete idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 09:10 AM

"I did not."
I'm just a lonely and a weary fellow traveller"
Without evidence, you accused the word of his accuses as being "tainted", even though nobody had ever acuused the second cop of anything - ll your own work
You never did have the courage of your obvious questions - you usually blame someone else for persuading you
Be a man - stand up for what you really believe for a change, as unsavoury as it might be
"Then you'll be a man, my son"
"No, apparently he apologised for claiming that the source of that new story had been 'planted' by the Conservative Party"
What else is a career policeman going to say in such circumstances Nigel?
We've seen clearly how these people operate from the whole incident
I wouldn't buy a used car from any of them
Bunch of incompetent crooks - just like an old Ealing comedy
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 09:05 AM

try again:
No, apparently he apologised for claiming that the source of that new story had been 'planted' by the Conservative Party: Guardian

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 09:02 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:52 AM
THIIS IS WAHAT BOB QUICK APOLOGISED FOR
Wonder why hie felt he had to - putting his career in jeopardy maybe??
Jim Carroll

No, apparently he apologised for claiming that the source of that new story had been 'planted' by the Conservative Party: < ahref=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/dec/22/bob-quick-david-cameron-row>Guardian

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 09:01 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 04:50 AM

Can you provide any evidence of that? After all...

Labour was in government, and have not indicated any prior knowledge of any of this.
Labour leadership would not have sat on such damning knowledge.


Followed by

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:47 AM

Jim,
THe police and Government have been aware of the contents of Green's computer since 2013 and have sat on it for political expediency

The police yes. There was no crime involved and it should have been confidential. That is the law.

You claim the government also knew.
You are making up false facts again.

It seems that when Keith states that a government did not know something it must be taken as the truth but when anyone else says the government did know they must be lying.

Like I said earlier, a hypocrite of the highest caliber. Not worth expending energy on.

Remember - SADGIT

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:52 AM

THIIS IS WAHAT BOB QUICK APOLOGISED FOR
Wonder why hie felt he had to - putting his career in jeopardy maybe??
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:47 AM

Jim,
THe police and Government have been aware of the contents of Green's computer since 2013 and have sat on it for political expediency

The police yes. There was no crime involved and it should have been confidential. That is the law.

You claim the government also knew.
You are making up false facts again.

PfrKeith - we knew he was lying because he is a high ranking tory politician...

Exactly. Prejudice. Liars and porn users are not restricted to just the Tories, and not all Tories are liars or porn users.

Jim,

"I did not say he was telling the truth or that the ex-cop lied."
You implied both -

I did not.
I made clear that in the absence of evidence I did not know who was lying.
You made clear that in the absence of any evidence you just somehow knew he was guilty, and even made evidence up.
You are still at it.

You "didn't support" Ukip, but you argued their case and denigrated their critics - just as you have done with Greene

You are lying about me.
I did not argue his case, I just pointed to the absence of any evidence against him.
I did denigrate people who assumed guilt just out of prejudice.
I stand by that.

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:44 AM

.. and 'mealy-mouthed'...

Subject: RE: BS: Damian Green
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Dec 17 - 08:44 AM

Bob Quick apology.

Bob Quick

I wonder if this will be looked at again in the light of Damien Greens sacking.