BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat

Subject: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 05:27 PM

It's another grey and rolling day at the mouth of the Bay of Fundy, where the old but serviceable schooner "Mudcat", out of Saint John, bound down the Eastern Seaboard for warmer parts. The South Head of Grand Manan Island is barely visible as she slides down the troughs, heading into international waters. The crew is international too, and the lucky ones are hunkered down in the fo'csle with a bit of hard tack and grog. One is a retired boatbuilder looking for a change of pace, another a veteran of some U.S. marine agency or another--cain't quite say, but he goes by the name of Kendall, knows his way around the Maine coastal waters. Some are grizzled ancient mariners unknown to me, but they look handy with a marlin spike or a tankard.

And me? Just a New Brunswick farm boy, tired of seeing the south end of a cow goin north, don't care to go to the lumber camps again this winter. Met a fellow down by the wharf in Saint John, Mr West, told him I never had been to sea, he shows me a trick or two with a rope and a cowhorn, next thing I know byes I'm outward bound, scrubbing everything in sight, decks, pots, rails, you name it.

Sure hope these oldtimers will help me get my sea legs, show me and the other landlubbers how to get by. I've read too many books about seafarin...oh jaysus, don't think I should have had the beef stew an hour ago.....

....half an hour later, one of the old fellas tamps his pipe and looks ready to begin telling a tale of his younger days...

Us young rookies are hangin' on his every word, wishing we were as wise in the ways of the world...

....

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 05:49 PM

What the matter boy? you call this rough? Why I remember my first trip to sea aboard the old cutter COOS BAY. We were up in the Davis Straights in January looking for ice burgs and sending back weather reports. Man, it was cold..so cold none of the thermometers would work, so, I set a bucket of boiling water out on the quarter deck, and, it was so cold, that water froze so quick, that the water was still warm!

Rough? I'll say it was rough.. number 9 sea it was, everything covered in ice. Even the Captain was out pounding ice. Guess he figured if she turned turtle, he'd go down too. But, rough.. she listed over so far that we had to lower a life boat to get a man out of the crows nest!

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Caitrin
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 06:50 PM

Any room for passengers about the Mudcat? I'm afraid I don't know much about seafaring, but I'm willing to learn whatever someone's willing to teach me.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 07:07 PM

Call me Mbo. I'm just a wanderer who has come aboard to seek his fortune on the waves. I've never been on a ship before (except the U.S.S. North Carolina) and it seems I have a lot to learn. I've read a lot of sea stories, so I should know my starboard from my abaft (um...not really...) Pass the salt pork? Anyone up for a round of "Away Rio"?

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 07:20 PM

Lead off, lad.

Kendall, wish I had me a bucket of that frozen warm water now...ta warm up the soles of my feet.

Now like I told ya, I don't know from seafarin...hell I never been more than ten acres from de shore before.

Fact is, there's a girl in Saint John who's kind of in a marryin' way...an interesting condition ya might say. I didn't think that was fur me, but now I'm gettin' downright sentimental about her. Don't think the skipper would turn her around on my account, though, so I'm in fer this trip anyway.

Wish I'd been a better person...listened to what me mother said...

Well no I don't know what she said...I told you, I wasn't listening!

Rio, then.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Micca
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 07:25 PM

If you want a serious insight into what its like to join a ships company cold and have to fit in with your "Board of Trade companions" read the beginning chapters of Joseph Conrads "The nigger in the Narcissus" all the ex-seamen that I have ever shown in to have agreed that tho' times have changed Conrad got the feel of joining and fitting in to a ship just about perfect. Apart from that since its cold on deck try this, I learned it from a guy who was on the Murmansk run in the war, Take a "7 beller" that is a pint mug (British pint 20 fluid oz.)Put 2 dessertspoons of Cocoa powder and 2 dessertspoons of condensed milk in and mix to a smooth paste, add boiling water to about 1+1/2 to 2 inches from the top and stir carefully until it is all mixed and smooth, then add an inch of good Navy Rum to the top and stir in carefully. Drink, stirring it ocassionally, before it sets. It is one of the best "Winter Warmers" in the book it is especially good when you come off duty.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 07:28 PM

Was you ever in Rio Grande?
Awayyyyyyyy RIO!
It's there the river flows down golden sand
And we're bound for the Rio Grande!

Then away, boys, away
Awayyyyyyyy RIO!
So fare thee well, my pretty young girl
For we're bound for the Rio Grande...

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 08:12 PM

The anchor is weighed and the sails they are set
Awayyyyyyyyyy RIO!
The girls that we're leavin, we'll never forget
And we're bound for the Rio Grande.

Good one MBO. Guess I'll make it through the trip.

Why Caitrin lass, o course you're welcome on board this unlikely vessel. Fraid you'll have to put on men's clothing--its kinda traditional. More convenient too. Then I'll tell you all about the extensive training I had before I shipped out--at the end of the song, you'll know at least as much as me and have the advantage of not having forgotten most of it yet...

Oh as I went a walkin down Ratcliffe highway,
I stepped into Paddy West's house
He gave me a feed of American hash, and he called it English scouse
Sayin "Cheer up, me hearty, for you are just in toime,
Now put your name down on the line, and quickly you will sign"

Put on your dungaree jackets,
And we'll give the boys a rest
And we'll think of the cold nor'westers
That we had at Paddy West's.

I told him I never had been to sea
Nor ever had seen Cape Horn.
He says "When you leaves me house, me lad
You're a sailor from the day you was born."
He laid down a rope on the kitchen floor
And likewise an old cow horn
When I stepped out the door, sure I'd crossed the Line
And been three times round the horn.

Put on your dungaree jackets,
And we'll give the boys a rest
And we'll think of the cold nor'westers
That we had at Paddy West's.

When I went down to Paddy West's house
The wind began to blow
Oh he sent me up in the garret
The main royal for to stow.
When I got up in the garret,
No main royal could I find,
So I turned around to the window
And I furled the window blind.

Now it's Paddy he piped all hands on deck,
Their stations for to man
His wife stood in the kitchen
With a bucket of water in hand
The wife let go the bucket
And the water landed on me
Says Paddy, "Clew up the tops'l, byes,
She's takin' in the sea!"

Put on your dungaree jackets,
And we'll give the boys a rest
And we'll think of the cold nor'westers
That we had at Paddy West's.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Marymac90
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 08:31 PM

Aside to Micca, and totally off the subject-sorry, folks

Micca, that's almost exactly how we made cocoa when I was a child, living with my grandparents. Oh, we didn't use the rum, of course, and instead of condensed milk we used evaporated, but otherwise it's the same. Most all US-ers just put cocoa in the cup and add boiling water. The cocoa we get here is sweetened, and has dry milk in it.

I think my family did things in a British or Irish way, without even knowing that they were. Thanks for sharing that with us.

Mary McCaffrey

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 08:48 PM

Aye lad, I made a mis speak before..what I meant to say was the water froze so quick that the ICE was still warm.Now, thats cold I'll be bound.

One of the first things you need to learn is that a sheet is not a sail..it is a line, they are used to trim the sails. A halyard is a line that is used to raise and lower the sails. There are only 2 ropes on a sailing vessel... the tiller rope, and, the bell rope. All the rest have other names. Oh, and one more thing lad, never whistle.. that is the exclusive right of the Captain and the Bos'ns Mate. Now, into the futtock shrouds we ye, and SEE IF YOU SEE ANY LAND!! sorry, couldnt resist.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 09:01 PM

It's bad form to whistle in jail, too. A guy I used to work for hired a biker, ex-con for a short period...on his third day, Scott found him trying to choke the life out of another guy on the crew. They were separated, and the guy's only explanation was "He was whistling. I asked him once to stop."

OK I'll bite. What are the futtock shrouds?

Bill C

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 09:12 PM

Well you could have have blown me down in an "Irish hurricane" when I saw this tight little ship in the bay of Fundy. You guys really know how to get a landlocked sailor, who swallowed the anchor 13 years ago all misty eyed. I couldn't ask for a better crew to sail with. If ye would all sing "Donkey Riding" it would make this old Lancashire sailor very happy. Were you ever in Quebec stowing timber on the deck? Come have a pint at Paddy west's and we will all get our A/B's Certificates. And for those of you who may need it the Rescue Coordination Centre Halifax is 1-800-565-1582 Cheers, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 09:37 PM

Aye, lad--an 800 number ye say! That's enough to gladden a Scottish skipper's heart. Useful indeed.

Were you ever in Miramichi?
Bonnie Laddie, hieland laddie
Where ye make fast to a tree
Bonnie Hieland Laddie

Were you ever in Mobile Bay
Bonnie Laddie, Hieland laddie
Screwing cotton by the day? Bonnie Hieland laddie...

I knew we'd see the ancient mariners dropping by, just a matter of time. Now spin us a yarn of your days before the mast (I hear it's a recent invention)

Willie-o

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 09:38 PM

Good one, Willie-O mate! I'd been playing Paddy West since I first started playing me guitar, and recently found it was the same tune as "The Wind That Shakes The Corn." Great 2 chord song. I have me guitar in my lap right, now, and was singing it. I can't hear you very well in this wind, but I'm sure we were all singing together! BTW, Cap'n Kendall, who's the figurehead of? And can we kiss it? (a little Shakespeare joke...sort of)HO HA HO! Want to do the Irish Rover next?

In the year of our Lord, eighteen hundred and six
We set sail from the coal cay of Cork
We were bound far away with a cargo of bricks
For the fine city hall of New York

She was an elegant craft, she was rigged fore and aft
And oh! how the tradewinds blew her
She had twenty-four masts, and withstood several blasts
And we called her "The Irish Rover."

There was Willie-O, Hey!
Up from New Brunswick way
And young Caitrin from North Caroline
There was Micca, our cook
Who read many a book
And Dave, no stranger to brine.

There was Mbo, young lad
Who played guitar like mad
And Mary, who's cocoa's where it's at
And Kendall, good man
It was he in command--
Our skipper on the schooner Mudcat!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 10:11 PM

Hi y'all-

Is there any interest here in a possible Mudcat cruise?
Real! NOT virtual! There are some marvelous charterable
schooners available, and a 4 or 5-day cruise
for one person runs about three hundred bucks or so
including everything.

If 30-40 mudcatters are interested, we can improve significantly on that.
Plus you can haul up sails, singing chanties.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave Swan
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 10:20 PM

Dick,

What a great idea. If there's a way to get there we'll give it a shot. Dave & Pam

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 10:34 PM

I hear me old matey Fred Smithers of Secunda Marine in Dartmouth has a grand one for charter. (S.S.Highlander Sea) but I'm afraid I haven't kept enough pieces of eight in me sea chest for a charter though! Champagne taste and draft beer income you know boys (and girls) Ye canny kiss the figurehead (until at least a month at sea) but you would have to ask a guy who carves them why. Try Gary Brown in ketch Harbour or the Maritime Museum for info. As for me old yarns boys (and girls) When I shipped out with Noah........... but those bloody Norsemen were hard to deal with..... After teaching navigation to St. Brendan I...... Nelson my son let me tell you....... Steam will come and go, but sails are forever...containers are the future boys..... Ah but you have heard them all before. Why don't you join me at the Seamans Mission in Halifax on Christmas day and we can celebrate Christmas with some Cubans who make $14 a month.

And now me lads be of good cheer, for the Irish coast will soon draw near, and we chart a course for old Cape Clear, Oh Jennie get your oat cakes done. whip jamboree whip jamboree......

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 11:01 PM

a real cruise sounds like a capital idea, if I can bring my guitar and cat-o-nine tails !!
The futtock shrouds ..the masts of the big ships were in two, sometimes 3 pieces, but, lets take the ones with one extension. At the top of the first mast, where it joins the extension, there is a small platform with a hole in it which a seaman had to climb through. It was there that he had to grab the futtock shrouds to continue up the mast extension. A shroud is the "ropes" which ran from the dead eyes to the top of the mast. There were usually four of them, side by side. Running horizontally like steps of a ladder were the "rat lines" the men would grab the shrouds and step on the rat lines. The main job of the shrouds was to keep the masts in line. Lets not get too technical.. it could be boring

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Caitrin
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 11:15 PM

Men's clothing's alright. I can't imagine trying to do anything on a ship in my medieval lady gear from the last incarnation of this thread. I'll go fetch my dungaree jackets.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 11:21 PM

.. we'll sell all our salt cod mollasses and rum..way to rio
And be back again 'fore thanksgiving has come
And we're bound for the rio grande

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: DonMeixner
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 11:47 PM

I think a split rig is a good choice for this hear ship. I'm partial to a ketch for a shorter boat. Easier to single hand I think. Kendall has the real experience here with these sailer types.

A bout twenty years ago I built a 38' eastern rig shrimper to be used as a research boat off Sea Brook NH for the power co. Normandeau and Assoc. christened her The Seneca and they took delivery in Baldwinsville were the boat was built. The Skipper wanted a sea trial of sorts before he took her home but where he wondered in march in the middle of NY State could he get a decent try out of the little ship. We said Lake Ontario and he laughed at the notion of a lake holding any juice that would adequately trial the boat. We took her out of the canal and into the harbor and said "OK Scott, theres the Lake , it your boat." It had been blowing twenty from the west all night and the lake was building. The harbor mouth opened into a western exposure and the second she left the soft side of the sea wall we hit 14' with 100' between the peaks. The bottom of Mexico Bay is very shallow and the water builds quick there. Scott saw all ne needed of of Lake Ontario in less than 15 minutes. He surfed the boat into the harbor and we retired to the Music Hall for Coffee and Whiskey. Bringing a smallish boat about in those conditions wasn't the safest as Kendall will tell you and had we had to go more than 1000 yards with that kind of following sea I'd wonder about our returning.

Any body who says the Great Lakes ain't much has never seen them nasty.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 99 - 11:55 PM

the great laKES are far worse than the Atlantic for rough weather (ask the E. Fitzgerald) on top of that, the water is fresh, so, less buoyancy. Thats why we use Plimsol marks

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 01:39 AM

Me bully boys of Liverpool I'd have you to beware, if your sailing a packet ship no dungaree jumper wear, but have a big monkey jacket all ready to your hand, for there blows some cold norwesters on the banks of Newfoundland.

We'll scrape her and we'll scrub her with holy stone and sand, for there blows some cold norwesters on the banks of Newfoundland.

All you "sweet water" sailors on the lakes have never seen really rough weather.. The Edmund Fitzgerald struck bottom on Caribou island shoal, then broke up later before she got to sheltered waters past Whitefish point I spoke to someone on the ship behind her nothing would convince him other. Yours Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Marymac90
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 01:52 AM

Mbo, thanks for including me in your song-I feel like a real mudcatter now.

Dick, let me know when the cruise will be, and if I'm solvent, I'll sign on. We won't HAVE to climb the rigging, will we? The young lads (and lasses in men's clothes) can do that sort of stuff, right?

I grew up near Lake Ontario, (that was THE BEACH to me till I was 26-never saw the ocean till then) and know what they say about it is true. We were always warned to watch out for the undertow. Think Stan Rogers' song White Squall for an idea of it.

Nautically yours,

Mary McCaffrey

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: catspaw49
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 01:53 AM

As a Lakes sailor with a lot of Atlantic racing time too....I assure you that the Lakes can be trecherous in the extreme. The WORST experience I ever had was just outside Sandusky Bay on Erie....knocked down 3 times, bare poles. Unbelievable.

Sign me up for the "cruise."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 02:21 AM

Aye, any body of water can be dangerous. Lake Erie is so damned shallow your keel probably struck a sand bar, and threw you over. When your Christmas dinner is rolling on the galley deck, you just don't care if its fresh or salt water that did it; you ain't going to eat turkey or pudding thats all. Only jerking ya lanyards mates have a safe watch on yer voyage. S.S. Mudcat (middle watch)vessel moving easily in fine weather, wind SSW 10 knots shipping green seas over both masts in dense horizon haze. Visibility zero in the dark. lights are bright and the Lamptrimmer just turned in for the night. two lookouts posted f'rd TTFN

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Roger the skiffler
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 04:51 AM

When I came aboard the crew shouted "It's Jolly Roger" and ran me up the signal halliard, NOT very funny, maties.
If you're not careful I'll tell you the tale of how I once nearly rammed the royal yacht Britannia in Portsmouth harbour, probably a hanging offence in those days.
What about a quick chorus of the Sloop John B: "The stewardess she got stewed, ran round the deck in the nude...."

SPLASH!
Man overboard
RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Micca
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 05:55 AM

Mbo, I NEVER shipped as a cook, being a certificated Able Seaman, but I could have done a better job than some I sailed with. BTW on British ships why is the cook always called Doc regardless of his name? one I sailed with panicked when HM customs came on board again unexpectedly and tipped 2 bottles of smuggled rum into the only place of concealment to hand, a pot of Tomato soup, it was the must repulsively alcoholic starter for lunch ever.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Ted from Australia
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 07:17 AM

Really rhe first thing to learn Starboard (pr star'bd)(right hand side of the ship facing towards the bow) derived from steering board side of the ship that the steering oar or board was lashed or attached, (green light side)
Port, (left hand side of the ship facing towards the bow) the side of the boat which was presentrd to the pier, wharf, quay, dock or "port"(because the steering board was in the way)(Red light side)
Remembered by:There is a little "red""port" left.
Second thing to learn.
Bow,pointy bit at the front. Stern, opposite end to the bow. (Can sometimes be pointy too). Regards Ted who spent some not inconsiderable time racing and cruising on the east coast of Oz.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 08:45 AM

Hey, Spaw's back! And just in toime....

My booklearning informed me that Lake Erie has the worst most dangerous storms of all the Great Lakes _because_ it is so shallow.

Roger it's yer own damn fault for wearing those black and white tights aboard--this ain't a castle hall ya know.

Whoa! A real cruise...now there's a plan. Great suggestion Dick!

I have some limited experience with inland puddle sailing... a number of years ago I bought a used 12' plywood replica (o.k. interpretation) "skipjack", with somewhat flimsy running gear. As in, 10 mil clear plastic sail secured with duct tape and (might as well have been) curtain hooks to an aluminum mast that It had been built by an aged West Quebec Anglo, with no trailer but a cart so he could wheel it down the street by hand to the local yacht club on the River Ottawa. I think he must have been Scottish, because when he discovered it would cost him about $50 a year for launching and landing privileges, he promptly put the boat up for sale. I was the third owner, took it out on Dalhousie Lake, all of about three miles long, with a neighbour friend who had some sailing experience. The east end of the lake is narrow, shallow and weedy and the wind is from the west. We tacked and tacked and tacked till we finally cleared the point, got into the lake proper and caught a real breeze. The photographic image of what occurred is only in my mind but remains exceedingly clear. The sail came unhooked from the bottom of the mast and flew straight out like a pennant...which caused a very rapid capsize, propelling my 250-pound mate over the gunwale like a large cannonball, with his glasses leading the way...we recovered the glasses, and a waterlogged copy of "How To Sail"...so much for book larnin'. (We re-rigged the boat with a smaller, real sail and mast, and only sailed it from the other end of the lake after that.)

So Cap'n Kendall, where be the best charters? (Talking next year here...) Maine coast?

And what's that strange shape on the horizon? Can't be a full-dressed ship in this weather, can it?

Willie-o

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dani
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 09:35 AM

Are you serious, Dick? This sounds like a dream.. The kind you stuff money in jar to pay for. Should I start looking for a jar?!

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Caitrin
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 09:51 AM

Well, the only thing I've ever sailed is a Sunfish in the Bogue Sound in perfectly warm and sunny weather. It was fun, though! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Peter T.
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 10:38 AM

I sailed brigantines on Lake Ontario, and never want to do that again. The ocean sounds nice though.....
yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:16 AM

I know of no schooners for charter, but, in Camden and Rockland there are schooners that take a gang out for a week. The crew do all the sailing, and the passengers can help if they wish. Wouldnt it be great if the whole passenger list was nothing but Mudcats? If you want to do that, save your dubloons..last I knew it was $500.00 all inclusive. (lobster feed and all)

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:30 AM

Oooh, Bogue Banks is not a good place to sail. Sand is building up on the bottom, and even very small craft are running aground. There's a multi-million dollar project in the works to dredge to bottom to make it deeper. Only thing is, it's all going to be back again in 5 years. I once build a model of the U.S.S. Arizona--how does that put me in the standings? Anyone want to the next verses of the Irish Rover?

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:41 AM

I don't think anyone in their right minds would charter a schooner to us bareboat (sail it yerself) even with a few experienced sailors among us. But I'm curious where Dick has a $300 figure from, (For me, $300 US is $500, and $500 is $750...) and likely we'd get more folks signed on for a shorter trip.

Bill

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:56 AM

I would be very interested in this one Dick.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 01:34 PM

The guestion, Willie O - what are futtock strouds, you ask...
Having sailed on a few square riggers, first when I was about sixteen... As you go aloft, when you reach the top (a wee platform at the first third of a mast)the platform is held in place by shrouds with ratlines on them, and you hang backwards as you climb overthem, something you reamember not fondly from your first time aloft, as well as the fact that the higher you go, the more overall movement there is, and the closer together the shrouds are, and if you are a teenager, and as a result the lightest guy on the footropes, so the spar is around the level of your shins while it is at everyone elses waist, well, you ask your self, where is the romance in this, it is a bloody hard, painful and terrifing job, but it is addictive.
Now a few quesitons before I ship with you all,
Is there a centerboard cook?
Did some eejitt turn the hatch covers over?
and is there no walnut aboard?
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 02:10 PM

Sorry, Larry, way too deep for me. I'm just a green hand. despite the grey appearing in my beard. Maybe Cap Kendall knows.

Willie-O

p.s. if we do go on a real sailing cruise, can we get a boat without futtock shrouds? I feel I know too much about them already...

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 02:30 PM

Anybody got any good ghost ship stories?

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: KathWestra
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 03:25 PM

Dick & mates --
One of the best weeks I've ever spent was aboard the Stephen Taber out of Rockland, Maine. She's a beauty, the oldest coastal schooner in continuous operation, according to her captains, Ken and Ellen Barnes. Ken and Ellen are great folks, and great fans of folk music. Ken played the highland bagpipes every morning to raise the sails, and every evening as we dropped anchor. He also plays concertina and guitar, and both of them sing. Ellen's a magical cook who bakes fresh bread every day on her galley woodstove, rustles up a pit-cooked island lobster feast once during the week, and generally makes everyone feel very much at home. They urge their passengers to bring musical instruments (although I was the only one on our cruise who did). One of their sailing weeks in August of 2000 includes the Swan's Island Folk Festival. I think the Taber can accommodate about 22 people. Current rates in the brochure I got last week are $795 for the week during peak periods, a little less if it's early or late in the season. Where and how much we sailed was determined by wind and weather. Everybody got a chart to record where we actually went.

I like the Mudcat cruise idea a lot, and I'd bet Ken and Ellen would be tickled pink to have the likes of us on board. (Kendall, if you see him, ask Gordon Bok about the Taber. I think he once crewed on her.)
Kathy

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 04:01 PM

We had a million and six baked potatoes from Mick,
Two million of B. Bonnie's thongs,
Three million and three tunes from th DT
And four million of Rick Fielding's songs.

We had five million lutes,
And six million flutes,
Seven million of 'Spaw's styro-stetson hat,
And eight million bombos and hairy charangos
In the hold of the schooner Mudcat!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 04:44 PM

in the schooners out of Camden, all the cooks are "centerboard" cooks. No..I am not going to explain that one..

how about a mini festival in Camden with some day sailing? there are boats to go out on for the day..? I'm not licensed to carry passengers, and a vessel big enough for all of us would probably not float. If we generate some real interest, I'll call Gordon and ask what is available.

Yes, I know a hell of a ghost ship story and its true. Called THE DEAD SHIP OF HARPSWELL by John Greenleef Whittier ...what flecks the outer gray beyond the sundowns golden trail? The white flash of a sea bird's wing, or gleam of slanting sail?

the crew was murdered by pirates in the Carribean, yet, she sailed home to Maine, the Captain, who was left to die tied to the mast, was put ashore by the ghosts of his crew who then disappeared into the fog. That ship was seen many time sailing into the harbor, only to vanish before making it in.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 07:58 PM

I wouldn't give a hoot if it was a Yankee parish rigged blood bucket, if the head were forward, outboard & under the bowspirit where the waves could wash all & I'd not be stuck downwind of the debris, anything except a vessel where the hatches are turned over, I don't even care if it's heading out on Friday (well, maybe). Just sign me up. Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 09:37 PM

I have a couple of friends who have sail boats that I use on occasion, Gordon Bok has a 32 foot ketch, and Chuck Romanoff has an 18 foot herrishof (sic) there are many others available in Camden, but, not for free. Step lively maties, you'll be signing the articles now eh lads? And, if you give me the "black spot" make sure its not on a page from the bible, or, you'll suffer the same fate as my old shipmate Israel Hand.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 09:42 PM

A bumper sticker popular here in Pirate country--"Have you flogged YOUR crew today?"

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 10:56 PM

Schooner ahoy! The sloop Andrew the Dory wishes to pull alongside and discharge a passenger. Take our passenger...please!

(T in Oklahoma steps up to the little sloop's rail) Have I permission to come aboard ?

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Susan A-R
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 10:59 PM

Sounds great, but could we do it when the ice doesn't freeze so fast it's still warm please? I sailed when I was a teen ager, with Dad as captain, he did a lot with navigation courses, and really knew his stuff, and I wasn't bad at following orders. (Reasonable ones, that is) I could certainly manage lounging around on deck, singing and eating seafood.

Susan A-R

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:36 PM

we'll have no trouble filling those billets lass.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Caitrin
Date: 20 Dec 99 - 11:47 PM

Mbo, that's a pretty heavy cargo. A whole lot of millions.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Boarding Party (KC)
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 04:03 AM

Ahoy the Mudcat,

Slipping into your leeward quarter of this here muddy flotila in my lug-rigged pirogue, the Chat Sal. Up forward lays the ghost of the very same Captain Jean Lafitte, hero of the 1814 Battle at Chalmette and a resident of both our Vieux Carree and his own Bayou Barataria. Our Louisiana polititians today carry on the noble tradition of service he established so long ago - pleasure and business should always mix in roughly the same proportions as cane rum to water for grog.

At a uniform depth of 14 foot, there's scarcely a weekend goes by without some ill-found, lubberly yacht and her equally ill-found crew being lost on the Lakes of Ponchatrain.

Then there's the nautical expericence of living at 4 foot below sea level and staring down the gun barrel of a cat 5 hurricane. We drink those as well (strawberry-flavored formaldahyde) - screwing cotton all day give's one a thirst. Oh, and you should try our mudcat etoufee.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:04 AM

Ah Kendall, you passed your qualification exam...
Yes, dont explain the center board cook!
Well, looks like this cruse is shaping up, but the steven tabor, lovely schooner, but what folk musican has 700 bucks to spare?
WInter cruse story... I was the chief mate on a bug eye rigged skip jack - that we ran as a cattle boat out of Brooklynn. About this time of year, or latter, we got a call for a party to take a cruse in New York bay, and out past the Verisano Bridge, and it was BLOODY FREEZING! They had brought some lovely mulled wine, and were as happy as pigs in shi... very happy. Finally we got up the gumption to ask why the HELL had they decided to go tooling about the harbor in this freezing weather. It turns out they had all been crew in one of the vessles that survived that disasterous Fastnet race (the one where was it 1/3 the boats sank and Ted Turner won, and when asked to comment on the great loss of life, said something like, I won didnt I?) Well, after sailing through a gale like that, they do something stupid every year to celibrate!
I think if we work out a cruse, we should wait till it gets a bit warmer, eh?
If you want to see a maritime ghost... go down to the River Cafe, at the foot of the Brooklyn bridge. In the park infront of the river you will find an old windless. It was from a Gloster Fishing schooner wreck, that Zek Tilton took and put on the Alice Wentworth. She rotted away in that slip, and that windless is the ghost of Alice Wentworth.
How bout someone posting the song about Zek and the Alice
A man fit for hanging will never drown
Fit for hanging
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: T in Oklahoma (Okiemockbird)
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:08 AM

Having asked and received no objection, I clamber aboard, stumbling a little, while the Andrew the Dory makes her way back to port.

Who is the officer of the watch ?

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Roger the skiffler
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:38 AM

It is I, TinO, wearing my middie's uniform, a bit tight, well, I HAVE put on a few inches in the years, but better than the jester's outfit. I've got my bosun's call so I'll pipe you aboard. Usually I do it on the kazoo but then they make me walk the plank, dirty rotten swines (bad Bluebottle impression).
Can you find your own cabin, I've got to spice this mainbrace?
"What shall we do with a drunken..."

SPLASH
Man Overboard!
Roger the (bubble bubble)oooooo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Blind desert Pete
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 11:46 AM

Capt Ken? aint thar 7 ropes on a ship i seem to remember at least footropes and manropes. andcantoldtimers use the manhole?

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 02:10 PM

nope all lines, only two ropes.
a song about the Alice Wentwort eh? ok

SEVEN OLD HOOKERS CAME DOWN THE BAY, OH LOWER THE BOAT DOWN
and alice wentworth was leading the way
Lower the yawl boat down.
We were doing 10 knots it was thick as a hedge (fog)
Oh lower the boat down
We poudded her board on the Bass Harbor ledge
Lower the yawl boat down.

refrain

There's only one thing that grieves me
Oh, lower the boat down
It's my poor wife and baby
Lower the yawl boat down.

We drove her so hard off Pemequid Neck
Oh lower the boat down
The Captain was thinking he'd broken her back
Lower the yawl boat down/

The women are women and the men are men
Oh lower the boat down
The ships could sail if the women stayed home
Lower the yawl boat down.

repeat refrain

this song was made by Gordon Bok who sailed as first mate in the Alice. It was at that time we first met. A few years later, I was in Woods Hole Mass. and there was the Alice grounded out in the mud, and in bad shape. That last verse was directed at the woman who bought her and took her to Mass. I guess she thought maintaining a schooner and re fitting her consisted of changing the water in the bud vases.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 02:11 PM

TinO - just grab a hold of the wee line trailing behind, and climb back aboard, being careful not to dislodge the any of the six pack hanging from the line, out of sight of our - not on my boat you dont - captain...
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Okiemockbird
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 02:21 PM

That was 2nd Mate Roger the Skiffler that fell over. I think he found the beer already, 'cause he's still out there, trailing along. T.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Willie-O
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 06:54 PM

So Kendall, were you on the Alice Wentworth back then too? This was early sixties, right? A buddy of mine, Steve Merritt, (now an aging busker in Ottawa) told me he was cabin boy or some such on the same boat when Gordon Bok was mate, and Havilah Hawkins(?) skipper. I'd love to hear more, specially about Hawkins, who I gather was more than half a character...

Willie-O

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 07:55 PM

Bud Hawkins was a very bright man. He played the fiddle and was one of the finest skippers/navigators I ever met. I did not know him personally, although I have talked with him on a few occasions. No, I never sailed in the Alice.. at that time I was Captain of the EXPLORER. We just happened to anchor in the same coves as the Alice, and later the MARY DAY did.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Micca
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 08:06 PM

If this is a DRY ship I'm packing my dunnage and I'm off at the next port, even if I get a VNC for it!!

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Okiemockbird
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 08:30 PM

This version of "Whiskey for my Johnny/Whiskey Johnny" differs somewhat from the versions in the DT:

Whiskey for My Johnnie--Long drag shantey
Source: Stanton H. King, King's book of Chanties, Oliver Ditson, Boston, 1918.

Solo: Oh whiskey is the life of man
Chorus: Whiskey, Johnny
Solo: Whiskey from an old tin can
Chorus: Whiskey for my Johnny

Whiskey makes me pawn my clothes
Whiskey gave me a broken nose

Whiskey makes me feel so sad,
Whiskey killed my poor old dad

Whiskey took my brains away
One more pull, and then belay

T.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 08:48 PM

An' it's farewell to Sally, an farewell to Sue Awayyy to Rio!!!!!

And you who are listening, farewell to you!

For we are bound to the Rio Grande!

--------------------------

And now we're on the hook, me byes, and the land's all covered with snow. And soon we'll see the pay table, and spend the watch below. Tehn down to the docks, alld ressed in frocks, The pretty ladies stand

Saying it's snugger w' me than it is at sea, on the banks of Newfoundland!

Hardabaft the lubber clew and overhaul the hardtack!

Amos

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:23 PM

Roll--- the old chariot a-long, Roll--- the old chariot a-long And roll -------- the old chariot along,And we'll all hang on be-hind.

A plate of hot scouse wouldn't do us any harm, It would roll,roll,roll the old chariot along.

Chorus And we'll all hang on behind.

A glass of whiskey hot wouldn't do us any harm

Chorus......

Some fresh seapie wouldn't do us any harm A new plum duff wouldn't do us any harm

Well you do get hungry on a long voyage don't ya?

Were you ever in Cardiff bay? Where the folks all shout hooray! Here comes John with his three months pay Riding on a donkey

Hey ho away we go etc..........

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 09:56 PM

Whisky is the life o' man
Always been since the world began
Whisky O! Johnny O!
Roll me up from down below
Whisky, whisky, whisky O!
Roll me up from down below, John
Roll me up from down belowwww!

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 99 - 10:04 PM

THe tide is high, the wind is low, Leave her, Johnny, leave her!

I'll pack my bags and go below, It 's time for us to leave her...

So...what is the difference between all these cybersalts and real salts?

The palms of their hands.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 12:57 AM

With all this scuttlebutt going on I think I'd better head for the gedunk stand and pick up some poggy bait. Then I can thrice up my bunk and change the fart sack.

If you are looking for some really great cruising The most beautiful cruising grounds in the world are to be found in Canada's North Channel (North Eastern part of Lake Huron). There are thousands of uninhabited islands with hundreds of well protected bays where you can usually find a tree or rock to tie up to and step off onto the beach. Most of the islands are composed of cambrian rock and during the month of July there is an endless supply of plump blue berries to spice up your pancakes.

Two years ago I chanced to meet up with the MALABAR a schooner out of Traverse City, Michigan that was taking people on cruises through this area. I think there is another schooner, the MANITOU that does the same thing.

The best way to really see the area, however, is on a smaller boat with shoal draft (less than three feet) that will allow you to tuck into some really fantastic spots. I have one particular spot where I tie up under a pine tree that affords afternoon shade. There are natural steps in the rocks that lead to a wonderful sandy bottom swimming hole. Other rocks are shaped like easy chairs. There are a number of smaller boats available for bare boat chartering (quite a few in Gore Bay and probably a lot of other places as well).

Cap't Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 01:08 AM

Almost forgot, one other thing. It seems that quite a few of you know Gordon Bok. I have most of his LP's, Tapes, and CD's, however there is one song that I recorded off Public Radio that I do not have in my collection. I would appreciate it if any of you could tell me the title of the LP, CD, or Tape where I could be located.

The first verse goes something like this: "Here I am, all alone again, anchored away, to hell and gone again. Home is the sailor, home from the sea ~ home to the mildew, friend to the flea". Anyone know of this one???

Cap't Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Roger the skiffler
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 04:15 AM

While I was climbing over the taffrail I noticed the outboard on the tender was Greek. How did I know? It goes Popodopodopdopodopodopodoulos....
NO! Not the plank again...
SPLASH
RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: DonMeixner
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 07:51 AM

Bob,

Gordon Bok's song about his Ketch.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 08:48 AM

Hi Guys:
The song I have in mind might be a Gordon Bok song, let me dust off the cobbwebs... something like
I ll ground her if I want to
and go dancing in the town
for a man whoes fit for hanging
never will be drowned.

This thread has brought me back to remember the many Zeb Tilton storries I used to hear from fellows who I sailed with decades ago, one of my favorite being about his nephew, who he used to bring aboard to accomodate Zebs baddly crossed eyes. He told him the first day to go up forward and tell him every thing he sees. A little bit latter the boy yells... Uncle Zeb! I see DUCKS! Zeb yells, Be those ducks walkin or swimin? The youngster yells back, They be walkin, Uncle Zeb!, Zeb calls back, Ready About!

The other, was about the Alice knowing her way home. They were sailing into Marthas Vinyard and Zeb and his mate, for years, whos name I dont recall, were below, yarning, with a belaying pin stuck in the spokes of the wheel. As they come up under the lea of the clifts, a ventura effect off the cliff knocks her off onto another tack, and the jib sheets catch onto the anchor stock and flip it overside. So by the time Zeb and the other fellow ran up on deck, the Alice had anchord herself, just where Zeb had intended her to be.
All the best all
And I agree, we ve all been on the beach too long,
lets get our feet wet, if it can be done on the cheep
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 11:51 AM

that song is titled..OLD FAT BOAT, and it was recorded on Folk Legacy FSI 94 (A ROGUES GALLERY OF SONGS FOR 12 String guitar. She was fat all right, obese is more like it! She sailed like a log cabin.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 04:09 PM

Kendall- According to Chapman, there are nine ropes on shipboard. bell ropes, man ropes, top ropes, foot ropes, bolt ropes, back ropes, yard ropes, bucket ropes and and tiller ropes. Chapman continues..." There may be one or two more, of less importance.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 07:11 PM

Arrr, this be a fine ship, I thinks to meself as I rambles up the poop deck. The timbers is a-shiverin under me whale-bone pegleg as the rollin sea sings her song. The parrot on me shoulder tightens her grip to keep from gettin knocked off by the flyin spindrift. Aye Polly,I muses, yer a good bird but not worth the gunpowder to blow yer worthless arse to Davy Jones. I pulls me tarry greatcoat a bit tighter around me, takin care to protect the cluster of flintlock pistols in me belt. Me great razor-sharp cutlass pokes out behind me, endangering the shins of every manjack of this motley, besotted crew. I reaches up into me tri-cornered hat and finds the stump of a cigar, which I light with a match that I've been keepin stowed away beneath me eye-patch. Above me the Jolly Roger snaps in the wind like a volley of pistol shots. Arrrr... it's a pirates life fer me.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 07:19 PM

Pour, O pour the pirate sherry
Fill, O fill the pirate glass
And to make us more the merry
Let the pirate bumper pass!

There are some Pirates somewhere tonight ready to do battle with some motley besotted horned toads...

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 07:54 PM

Capn Greenhaus, ye forgot the "ropes end" or "Starter" the only way ye can get these lazy landlubbers out their hammocks and turn to on deck is to wack em hard. just for fun I put a figure of eight knot in it. Take up the "Makings" and give yourself twelve laid on hard for forgetting an important "Rope" ( use soft noodles but just to show I aint softened up on ye put some knots in em) Aye, Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 09:41 PM

Aye,Dave,it'd be better by far to line up them Lubbers Indian-file, and make 'em walk the plank. I'll dance me a jig by the rhythm o' their splashin! What? Ye say I'm a hard fellow? Well, right ye are, shipmate! They calls me Steel Ass the Pirate, for my hull's been in many a scrape. And I can run faster,jump higher,dive deeper, and come up drier than any two-legged man ye can name.I'm a black-hearted son of the Trade Winds and the scourge o' the Spanish Main. I'm known throughout the Dry Tortugas fer the quality o' my Rapin and Pillagin. I floss my teeth with a cat-o-ninetails and breakfast on Hammerhead sharks. When I fart, the finest French 12-pound Cannon hide their heads in shame.I chew charcoal briquettes to pass the time,and spit diamonds o'er the larboard rail. My Father was a clamdigger,my Mother was a Mermaid, and I am a true Son of the Beach. If ye are choosin up sides for an ass-whoopin,pick me first. Arrrrrr....

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: DonMeixner
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 11:01 PM

I'll be happy to supply the pirate earrings at cost. If I build them in simple hoops and use german silver. I can keep the cost down to $2.00 a pair. But since the pirates would only wear one they'd be a buck and ear.

MWHAAAAAAAAAAAA! ( Old but still cute.) (The joke, not me.)

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Barry Finn
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 11:18 PM

Halloween time a kid goes up to the front door & says "Twic or Tweet" the one at the door says "oh, you're such a cute pirate" no says the kid "I'm a rabbit". "Well if you're a rabbit where are your bucking ears". So shoot me, I've toed the line for so long, in weather so cold you'd freeze the brass balls off a monkey. Barry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 22 Dec 99 - 11:23 PM

looks like there will be no shortage of wind on this trip

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 12:06 AM

kendall ~ thanks for the info on THE OLD FAT BOAT (sounds a lot like my boat).

I have been looking for the recording FSI 94 on the web and so far no luck. Perhaps I'll stumble upon it one of these days.

Cap't Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 02:17 AM

Cap'n Bob, email Sandy Paton about that recording. I will bet he will have it. His address is [e-mail].

And I would love to cruise those islands sometime, skipper. I am a fair deckhand. I really hope this cruise comes off.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 08:03 AM

John Paul Jones the famous (Welsh) American pirate came ashore in England; finding himself alone ( his crew stopped in a pub for overdue refreshments) he ran up to the nearest local, sword in hand, and said: Where be my Buccaneers; to which the local (slowly removing her pipe from her mouth) replied "Under yer Buckin hat Capn" Cordially,Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: harpgirl
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 09:09 AM

...Cap't Bob...I lived three slips down from the Malabar as a kid at the DYC. The Mistelee family owned it then. A capital ship!...We sailed the north channel every year after the Mackinaw race when I was a kid...the snow's... south benjamin...Killarney...Covered Portage Cove, with a stop at Okeechobee Lodge to fish before heading up to MaryAnn Bay. What wonderful memories!

Even been holed up in Put-In-Bay for the storms on Erie but the scariest was crossing Lake Huron from Port Elgin to Harrison....oooooeeeee!
count me in on the cruise, Dick. There are lots of good charters down here.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 05:50 PM

Hey Dave: J P Jones, was actually a Scottish gardiners son. He took the name Jones after killing a crew man under cercumstances that he chose not to defend himself for... This correction coming from the dim brain which refered to our old departed hero Zeb as Zek! so no points off on your blue book exam!
Then again, I am not sure he was actually born in Scotland, are you sure Wales? Good story though!
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Bill D
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 06:36 PM

all you sailors and would-be sailors....here is a page devoted to knots of various sorts If you don't have access to "The Ashley Book of Knots", this page will have you doing bends and hitches in no time....(and also fascinating to just LOOK at some of the fancy ones!)

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 07:27 PM

Larry, you are probably right about him (good seaman and fighter though) I was wrong to call him a pirate too, he should have been dubbed privateer. Course, if I wasn't a loyalist Englishman, he would be hailed as a great naval officer and hero; but I aint so forgiving of Yankee's. The only way I will forgive em for leaving the family, is if they join the commonwealth and swear allegiance to H.M. the Queen ARRRR! Clearly not likely.......Anyway, anyone one called Jones is a "Taffy" to me. Seeing I call my daughters Godfather a "Great Big Green Papish Irish Rebel" if he was a Jock should have called himself Mac Jones...Yours Aye,Dave

Oooh was you ever on the Congo river,blow boys blow, where fever makes the white man shiver, blow me bully boys blow, A Yankee ship come down the river her masts and yards they shone like silver, blow me bully boys blow.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 07:50 PM

It always tickles me to hear Gepoge Washington called a "terrorist"

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 08:02 PM

Well Dave: Though Anglo Irish, and first generation American, (though I lived in Ireland)I am quiet proud of my colateral relitive, be he a pirate or a privateer ( I prefer to call him the latter ) Capt. Otway Burns, who gave the crown a bloody good pasting during the little tiff between the US and England in 1812. His mother was an Otway. Somehow, I always am a bit more proud of him than Admiral Otway, of that other navy. Small funny point of history, we are related to Sir Roger Casement by marrage, and the Aud, on which he was bringing 10,000 russian rifles from Germany for the Eastern Rebellion, was first sighted by the HMS Otway, so we were well represented on both sides of that event, though as a republican my self, I identify with cousin Sir Roger. Well Dave, we will have to trade yarns and songs of both sides of the conflict over mugs of tea in the focsle on the old schooner Mudcat.
I used to have very intense political debates with a shipmate aloft on a brig, back in the seventies, he was from the Ilse of Wright, Cowes, well, we decided, even tough we remained great freinds in spite of differences, it was best to wait until we were seated below to debate the occupation of Ireland...
All the best shipmate
Larry Otway

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 08:17 PM

Tickles me when I hear Americans say they "beat" the British. Most of the fighters were of British Stock. Aye and a few Europeans/Irish thrown in for good measure. But a German King and German mercenaries were their mark too! Funny old world ain't it shipmates??

As I walked down the Broadway--one evening in July I met a maid---who asked my trade---and a sailor John says I. Chorus And away you Santy---my dear annie, Oh you New York girls-- can't you dance the Polka

To Tiffany's I took her---I did not mind expense, I bought her two gold ear-ings-- and they cost me fifty cents. Chorus

Says she "You lime-juice-- now see me home you may" But when we reached her cottage door---she unto me say Chorus

My flash-man he's a Yankee---with his hair cut short behind, And he wears a tarry jumper---and he sails in the Blackball Line, Chorus

So I kissed her as she told me---before her flashman came, And says, "Goodbye you naughty girl--I know your little game" Chorus

The worst old brig that ever did weigh Sailed out of Harwich on a windy day. Chorus And we're waiting for the day waiting for the day, waiting for the day that we get our pay.

She was built in Roman time, held together with bits of twine Chorus

The Skippers half Dutch and the Mates a Jew, The crew are fourteen men too few Chorus......

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 08:22 PM

Larry, Just read your post, I'd hoist a "Black Bush" and pint of Smithwicks in Dublin or Belfast and drink to Ireland with you anyday mate. Cheers! Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 10:29 PM

harpgirl ~ glad you can confirm my opinion of the North Channel. I've been going up there since the very early 70's. Some of my favorite spots are: Long Point Cove, Bassett and Turnbull islands, Clarie Cove, Beardrop, Taschereau Bay, The Benjamin's, Fox, etc., etc.,. I suppose that when you were in Killarney you stopped for a fish dinner at Mr. Perch's school bus on the warf.

My most hair raising moment/s were also crossing Lake Huron. One warm night in July we left Rickett's harbor in the Mississagi Strait at around midnight in order to beat a front that was supposed to pass through the area in about eight hours (according to MAFOR). They missed it by about five hours and we were half way across the lake when we were hit by 80+ mile per hour winds. When we arrived at Presque Isle Harbor the next morning the boats at the marina looked like they were in a spider web with each boat tied in with around a half dozen lines running in every direction. The only time that I ever got off the boat and actually kissed the ground.

Mick, I will check with Sandy on that L.P. as soon as things settle down around here.

Cap't Bob

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 23 Dec 99 - 10:57 PM

"There's some is bound for New York Town
There's others is bound for France
Heave away, me Johnnies,he-eave away
There's some that's bound for Bangor Maine
To teach the whales a dance
And away me Johnnie boys we're all bound to go!

The pilot he is a-waiting for
The turning of the tide
Heave away, me Johnnies, he-eave away
And it's one good pull and we're bound away
With a good Westerly wind
And away me Johnnie boys we're all bound to go!

Oh, fare thee well you Kingston girls
Fare well to St Andrews Dock
Heave away, me Johnnies, he-eave away
If ever we come back again
We'll make your cradles rock
And away me Johnnie boys we're all bound to go!

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 08:30 AM

Actually, it was more of a family feud than a war. Paul Revere did not yell "The British are coming." they were all British at the time. He actually said "The REDCOATS are coming."
Who said "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it?" we prove that in Viet Nam by making the same mistakes England made in our revolution. Impossibly long supply lines, lack of local support etc. But, the biggy there was the fact that England was spread way too thin. Too many enemies. We never would have won without the French, and, the only reason they were with us was their hatred of England. They helped to lick a king, then lived to regret it when their own king was overthrown. Precedents are dangerous.

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 11:56 AM

Good historical point, Kendal, one I often make, also, the regionalisation fo the Viet Nam War was very similar to the Revolution - And as to Black Bush! Ah my, I left my liver in West Kerry Dave, But I will join you with a Brendan Behan special, lime and soda water (old age sucks, but beats the alternative - well middle age, so I hope!) There is a wee pub in Belfast, the Hunting Lodge, we can meet there when the Schooner Mudcat anchors in Belfast loch, under the crains of Harland and Wolff, and raise a glass to the memory of the Salvation Army Seamans Misson in Belfast, built by my Grand da, and now gone.
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 11:59 AM

Join me in the chorus boys and girls.

Come cheer up me lads, tis to glory we steer, to add something more to this wonderfull year; To honour we call you, not press you as slaves, for who are so free as the sons of the waves. Hearts of oak are our ships, Jolly tars are our men We always are ready Steady boys Steady, we'll fight and we'll conquer again and again.

As we enter a new millennium, may we "progress in wisdom as well as time and technology" God Bless All Hands Cordially, Aye. Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: InOBU
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 12:01 PM

PS a note on Black Bush:
My currach crew once won a case of BB in a race. We also won a case of Jamisons at one time. Bushmills once sponsored the racing, so we had occation to raise a few, and then some. I was never prone to hang overs, but, unlike Jamisons, with Bushmills - Black Bush to be precise, I would feel like I was poisoned the next day! If they ever come up with a cure for the old liver, I think I will stick to the occational Jamisons and leave the BB to those who dont mind paying the price the next day!
Slante
Larry

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 01:59 PM

The first ship I sailed on was built in Harland and Wolff we went there for refit and got my first taste of Black Bushmills; 16 Years Old (1969)it's been the only whiskey I can drink and really enjoy ever since. (sorry Scotland) My liver is pickled so it's beautifully preserved, fortunately. Anyway in those days I didn't know much about Irish history and I found myself having a pint in a pub somewhere downtown. The landlord seemed suprised to see me and asked me (after pouring the pint) "are ye going to drink here then?" as I raised my glass (observing strange looks from "all hands present")I said "well I'm not going to throw it at you mate" Just about then I saw crossed (wooden) thompson guns and a small tricolour flag in the corner. After attempting to escape without injury; I spent most of the evening singing rebel songs and getting a verbal lesson in Irish history. (lots of fun, but I never went back there) Unfortunately, I've ducked bullets and bombs visiting friends on both sides but never hated either. My daughters Godfather hails from Ballymena Co Antrim and was my Captain in Canada. (my wife sailed with me for two years) Funny old world ain't it mates??? Cordially, Dave

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: Mbo
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 03:49 PM

ACTUALLY, Paul Revere said "The Regulars are out! The Regulars are out!" Quare Bungle Rye, anyone?

--Mbo

Subject: RE: BS: Aboard the Schooner Mudcat
From: kendall
Date: 24 Dec 99 - 04:35 PM

the regulars were the redcoats