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BS: Virgin V Mail

Greg F. 15 Jan 18 - 05:14 PM
Dave the Gnome 15 Jan 18 - 04:47 PM
Steve Shaw 15 Jan 18 - 04:27 PM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jan 18 - 01:59 PM
Steve Shaw 15 Jan 18 - 01:23 PM
Raggytash 15 Jan 18 - 01:11 PM
Steve Shaw 15 Jan 18 - 12:55 PM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jan 18 - 12:34 PM
Steve Shaw 15 Jan 18 - 09:44 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jan 18 - 09:06 AM
Steve Shaw 15 Jan 18 - 08:57 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jan 18 - 08:51 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jan 18 - 08:46 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jan 18 - 08:45 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Jan 18 - 08:35 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jan 18 - 08:07 AM
punkfolkrocker 15 Jan 18 - 08:04 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Jan 18 - 07:55 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jan 18 - 07:50 AM
Mr Red 15 Jan 18 - 06:43 AM
Senoufou 12 Jan 18 - 11:57 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Jan 18 - 09:25 AM
punkfolkrocker 12 Jan 18 - 09:21 AM
Raggytash 12 Jan 18 - 06:25 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Jan 18 - 06:21 AM
Raggytash 12 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM
Senoufou 12 Jan 18 - 06:05 AM
Dave the Gnome 12 Jan 18 - 06:00 AM
Keith A of Hertford 12 Jan 18 - 05:22 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 18 - 07:13 PM
Mr Red 11 Jan 18 - 06:44 PM
Raggytash 11 Jan 18 - 04:51 PM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 18 - 12:56 PM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 18 - 12:02 PM
Greg F. 11 Jan 18 - 11:01 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 18 - 09:37 AM
punkfolkrocker 11 Jan 18 - 09:23 AM
Dave the Gnome 11 Jan 18 - 09:17 AM
Iains 11 Jan 18 - 08:58 AM
Keith A of Hertford 11 Jan 18 - 08:14 AM
Senoufou 11 Jan 18 - 08:04 AM
punkfolkrocker 11 Jan 18 - 07:48 AM
Steve Shaw 11 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM
Mr Red 11 Jan 18 - 06:07 AM
Dave the Gnome 10 Jan 18 - 10:32 AM
Raggytash 10 Jan 18 - 10:29 AM
Steve Shaw 10 Jan 18 - 10:28 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:14 PM

Chaps, there really is no point in beating a (brain)dead professor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:47 PM

Differe...

Oh, you know how it goes

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:27 PM

Your mastery of English is second to everybody's, Keith. Jayz, I need emojees!


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:59 PM

I said it looked like political censorship and gave reasons.

You said, Just about the only people who regard that as censorship are you and the Daily Mail.

You are wrong. Virgin Trains said they did not want to appear to be censoring their passengers reading.

Independent, (note I am not mentioned)
"Richard Branson has overturned a decision to stop stocking the Daily Mail on Virgin Trains, a move he acknowledged had ?been seen as censorship?. "
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/virgin-trains-will-stock-daily-mail-newspapers-says-richard-branson-in-u-turn-decision/ar-AAuHYh1?OCID=ansmsnnews11


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:23 PM

Anyway, the Guardian is a rather lovely-looking tabloid now. I'll have to think of an alternative pejorative from now on when I'm attacking the lesser tabloids.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:11 PM

Ah but Steve, Political censorship is not the same as censorship








well that will be the excuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 12:55 PM

Yes you did. This thread, 10 Jan:

"It does look like political censorship."


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 12:34 PM

I did not call it censorship.
I quoted Virgin.
OK?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:44 AM

Yeah, a fight with no good guys in it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:06 AM

Keith is consistently good for a chuckle or 2 on a dreary Monday morning.

But my main enjoyment in this thread is a chance to take the piss out of both the Mail and old hippy tycoon Branson...


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:57 AM

So lessee, Keith, if Virgin never stocked, e.g., the Guardian, that's not really worthy of comment. That's fine. But if it stocked the Mail, then stopped stocking the Mail, that's censorship.

Get real, Keith. Just about the only people who regard that as censorship are you and the Daily Mail. Well that makes sense, come to think of it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:51 AM

anyway, the Mail certainly seems to be one of the first mainstream UK papers to break

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5115817/Sir-Richard-Branson-accused-motorboating-singer.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:46 AM

nope.. still don't work...


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:45 AM

Nigel - not here for some days [Chrome / Win 8.1].. yet another of the mudcat coding refurb anomalies..???

Time to try another emoticon test: ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:35 AM

Strange, when I type 'borishly' into the 'reply to thread' box it underlines it in red and offers me the correct spelling.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:07 AM

"boorishly".. ooh we do miss mudcat spellckeck..


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:04 AM

so.. which paper broke that story about Branson borishly motorboating a singers knockers at a mega wealthy island retreat hedonistic party...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 07:55 AM

Or, at least, they are re-assessing the sales, and have reintroduced them for now: BBC

Virgin Group boss Sir Richard Branson said he instructed the firm to restock the paper while a review takes place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 07:50 AM

Virgin have changed their mind and do not want to be seen as censoring what their passengers read.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 06:43 AM

Oi, pal, you have to spend ten quid to get that coffee re Waitrose.

Nah, you have to spend in the cafe. I bought a banana at 25p. Originally it was just free coffee, then buy something in the cafe.
Now? Dunno! I went with a lady friend and it was on the way along the canal we walked. Things change, we dance now.

And all the usual papers were there to read in the cafe. Even the local rags, which are more relevant, or did I mean less opinion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 11:57 AM

There's a cartoon in today's...er...Daily Mail, showing a man bound hand and foot being dangled over a huge vat of boiling melted plastic. A henchman is explaining to his mate, "He was caught reading the Daily Mail on the train"
At least, that's a rough account of what he was saying. I can't check, as the paper is now under the cats' litter tray.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 09:25 AM

I suspect she may even cock that up, PFR.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 09:21 AM

Corbyn.... "Very clever ploy to get Dail Heil readers to vote for him"

So if May is desperate enough, will she try to counter this by standing on the pavement outside the Downing Street gates
selling Socialist Worker and Morning Star...?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:25 AM

Heh heh!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:21 AM

I think they are probably as naive as politicians are wiley :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM

David !!

Heaven forfend, you are not really suggesting the Daily Mail readership are so naive are you !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:05 AM

My husband has just nipped out to get my Daily Heil from the village shop... (hides behind the sofa in case any Mudcat posters live near here...)


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:00 AM

Very clever ploy to get Dail Heil readers to vote for him. And they will probably fall for it :-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:22 AM

Daily Mirror headline,
"Jeremy Corbyn WOULD sell the Daily Mail once he renationalises the railways - reversing decision by Virgin Trains"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-would-sell-daily-11829308


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 07:13 PM

Oi, pal, you have to spend ten quid to get that coffee. So what were you buying? Harissa paste? Quinoa? Big jars of salted capers? Bags of vacuum-packed clams? Unsalted albacore tuna fillets in extra virgin olive oil? Special Puglian bread for next Friday night's bruschetta with EV olive oil and chopped San Marzano tomatoes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:44 PM

I used to go to Waitrose just to get a free cup of coffee (& nothing else). Does that make me a pretentious anarchist?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 04:51 PM

Dare I mention TC, and I'm not referring to the childrens programme Top Cat, which I rather enjoyed as a youngster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:56 PM

I know, Greg. I'm not saying that he's biased, but he's biased...


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:02 PM

I suspect they are lying about this for all the reasons I gave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 11:01 AM

He's saying its hard for HIM to believe, Steve. Of course, many facts are difficult for The Professor to believe, if past practice is any indication.

(p.s. you're wasting your time.......0


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 09:37 AM

We're not clear, Keith. Are you saying that Virgin Trains are liars? Piss or get off the pot, old boy. "Hard to believe" is pusillanimous in the extreme.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 09:23 AM

Surely old hippy Branson is missing a trick my not banning all dead tree media from his trains...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 09:17 AM

Hoopla anyone?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Iains
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 08:58 AM

Make of it what you will!


Who reads What?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 08:14 AM

Take it up with the Virgin spokesperson concerned. I am sure they would be happy to retract if it was wrong.

No.
I just point out that their claim is hard to believe.
Every other newsagent including those in stations sell many more Mails than anything else except The Sun.
Why would train passengers on Virgin trains be different from the rest?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 08:04 AM

Sorry, pfr, you're now a pariah! Waitrose AND John Lewis?? Good grief!!
You're what Norfolk folk would call "Whooolly contaaaaaaminated"!


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 07:48 AM

I went up the trading estate to the Waitrose for the first time in many years,
to pick up a John Lewis parcel.

Does that mean even I am now middle class...??? oh f@ck...!!!

I was only in there about 5 minutes, and I stayed close to the customer service counter by the exit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:18 AM

I won't be buying bottled water but I am on the lookout today for their own-brand harissa paste...

Pretentious, moi?


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:07 AM

from Waitrose with my Waitrose card

slippery slope PAL! You will be buying bottles Hawaiian water next!

(I don't make these things up - well, unless there is an emoji)

it is hard to believe that claim about the biggest selling paper after The Sun, far outselling The Times and Mirror combined.
That may have something to do with who can afford the price of a rail ticket. Demographics and all that. Just saying.

And anyway if the economics don't stack up and Branson is getting grief from his staff, it is a no-brainer. (with reference to the comic as well, adjective applies)


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:32 AM

It is hard to believe that claim

Take it up with the Virgin spokesperson concerned. I am sure they would be happy to retract if it was wrong.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:29 AM

I did like the link to Rational wiki Dave, a thought it painted a pretty accurate picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:28 AM

Ok, so it doesn't sell the i either, which is very cheap.

You have no cause for complaint. Virgin is a privatised industry and Branson is not a newsagent obliged to sell every rag going, so he can do what the hell he likes. Brexit has nowt to do with it except in your head. You could find a dozen other criteria that puts his choice of the three papers out of balance. Two Tory papers to one non-Tory paper. Not fair! Three men editors, no women. Not fair! Give it a rest, Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:27 AM

The Mail is a shit-rag, and Branson is an arsehole...

you'd think that would be a perfect match made in heaven...!!!???


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:27 AM

"When we stocked the Daily Mail onboard, we sold one copy for every four trains."

It is hard to believe that claim about the biggest selling paper after The Sun, far outselling The Times and Mirror combined.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation


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Subject: RE: BS: Virgin V Mail
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:19 AM

A Virgin Trains spokesperson said: ?We regularly review the products we have on sale for customers in the shop onboard our west coast trains and after listening to feedback from our people, we decided in November 2017 that we would no longer stock copies of the Daily Mail.

"When we stocked the Daily Mail onboard, we sold one copy for every four trains.?


Simple economics and nothing to do with censorship it seems.

Although, if it were me, I would continue to stock it but limit it to small squares in the smallest rooms...

DtG


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