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BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

SPB-Cooperator 09 Jul 18 - 04:08 AM
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MikeL2 08 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM
Rusty Dobro 08 Jul 18 - 03:41 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:08 AM

Now that Dawn Sturgess has died, the England team need to do the decent thing and walk away from the tournament.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 04:47 PM

"a turnip for the books"
you gotta love that spell-checker


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM

Hi

England were easily the best they have been in the competition.

team played their part. They made Sweden look very ordinary.

We now have to think about Croatia. Should be OK but remember the Wally
with the Brolly ? " Many a slip twix cup and lip " (sic)

I rather play Croatia than either France or Belgium.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 03:41 AM

Although the England team may be defying tradition, the rioting fans in Benidorm last night showed that the old ways are still with us....


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 06:40 PM

Not having a stadium full of Russian fans on Wednesday will help. I don't think we have much to fear from Croatia on Wednesday, though the brilliant Modric will need close marking!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:58 PM

I thought England beating the Swedes was a turnip for the books but that Russia Croatia match had more twists and turns than some posters on here :-)

Seriously though. Only saw the highlights of England's win. The Croatian win was a joy to watch for me. None of the Latin American amdram. No cynical fouls. No mobbing the referee. Plus, I reckon we will have the Russian crowd behind us on Wednesday.

Well done Gareth and the lads.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:54 PM

Once again being the cynic I am, England have just got another 144 million fans!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:37 PM

Penalties again. Superb match, neither side deserves to lose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 02:55 PM

Quality match now between Russia and Croatia, either of these teams would be a worthy finalist. No matter what Bilic says.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 01:21 PM

Brilliant. Men of the match Raheem, Jordan P. and that amazing Ramsbottom man Kieran Trippier. But what an amazing, integrated TEAM performance!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 12:07 PM

A superb performance by England!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 06:59 AM

Hi

Whooops there goes another "favourite.

Belgium 2 - Brazil 1.

Great game both teams hammered at each other. The ref controlled the game strictly which kept much of the foul tactics of the earlier games. Good to see. Brazil has two late for penalties refused. One looked like it was a penalty to me. But hey ho out you go.

I wonder how many people would have thought England would outlast teams like Germany, Spain, Portugal Argentina etc. ??

Getty ready for this afternoon's game. Will be close.....my heart says England my head says Sweden.

Cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 04:04 PM

France - Belgium. Could go either way, and I would expect the winner to go on to lift the trophy. Though Russia may still have a say. And Croatia as long as they play like they did against Argentina, not like they did against Denmark. Can't see either Sweden or England making an impression in the semi.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 03:34 PM

Psst ..... Donuel ......... Great Britain don't have a team, at least not in these matches. They have had a team in the Olympics though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 01:54 PM

My mrs is looking forward to supporting Sweden tomorrow.....

She said so with a devilish smile and an evil glint in her eyes...

I suppose I could remind her that Wales didn't even qualify, but I can't be arsed it's too hot...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 01:49 PM

Hi David

" I suspect that the eventual winners will be playing today "

If so it must be France.

France 2 - Uruguay 0. This was an intriguing game, full of action and some great attacking from both sides.

As has happened in a number games in this competition the Latin countries tried to bully their way through using cynical and often foul tactics, Once again the referee could not control the problem.

When France scored their first goal Uruguay started to play some good football and looked dangerous, But a crazy moment by the Uruguayan goalkeeper gifted a goal to France. This broke the back of Uruguay and France ran out easy winners.

So another "favourite bit the dust.

Any team can win this and England have a great chance to show what they can do.

Let's see what happens tonight......Dismissal of Brazil ?? could happen ???

Cheers Mike

mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:24 AM

Holy crap the answer to the Russia anthem question is complicated beyond belief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:19 AM

USSR's anthem really is magnificent but I don't know who wrote it.
I thought Russia had a new ho hum anthem from what I heard at the olympics. I will find out at once.

I also don't know the insults that accidentally arise from insensitive ignorant remarks regarding old scores that are still raw. There are too many.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 07:43 AM

I suspect that the eventual winners will be playing today, although it would be great to see Russia go all the way, just so we get more of their magnificent anthem. A reminder of more hopeful times.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 06:41 AM

Don't mix up GB and England when referring to football, Donuel! You will incur the wrath of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland supporters :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 06:35 AM

I wish you luck Dave but Raggytash personally makes that hard.
After the Belgium win over Japan I daresay anything could happen and Great Britain will have a turn around by actually winning penalty kicks. To get ahead of things I am hoping for a stunning showdown of England's eventual win over Russia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 05:38 AM

Oh yeh, 6 + 7 = 13. The number of letters in

It's coming home

:-D


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 05:10 AM

Pointed out on the radio this morning

All 4 quarter finals have one country with 6 letters and one with 7 letters

They are being played on the 6th and 7th

Losers and winners also have 6 and 7 letters respectively

Any more? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 04:59 AM

Looking at the draw, the four best teams are playing each other today, so two more will be knocked out. The four comparative 'minnows' (sorry England, Sweden, Croatia, Russia) play tomorrow. So England have a good chance of reaching the semis, but that's about it I reckon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:29 PM

No, pfr, I don't think thats the case. The problems start much, much earlier, with school and age group football. This is dominated by the biggest and strongest. I remember when Cesc Fabregas came to Arsenal at 16, fabulous player then, and I thought then that if he was English he would have been kicked out of the game years before. The top clubs hire top foreign players because they have to.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:14 PM

Normally I'm not a jingoist nationalist xenophobe,
and although I think football is cack since the 1970s...
There are far too many mercenary for hire foreign players in clubs,
at the expense of nurturing top division British talent...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:03 PM

Well, the English, bless the lot of youse,
are going to have an uphill battle regardless.

David Carter makes a fair point:
there are some hungry ambitious young fellows
on those opposing teams,
and some of them get the job done, and more.

This could be a really thrilling conclusion,
whoever defeats whom.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 02:25 PM

Thousands of years from now,
our few remaining descendants on a far away colony planet
will be singing mythic songs about the time England won the world cup...

Though by then it might have got a bit folk traditioned and mashed up into involving Camelot,
and Sir Bobby Moore and the holy players of the roundish Wembley stadium...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 02:24 PM

Donuel's post makes perfect sense to me, and red telephone boxes are only left in place now for vandals to smash. England in a way has abandoned its tradition and this is the problem. Englands football tradition is that of Tom Finney, Stanley Mathews, Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore. Someone, can't remember who now, described Lionel Messi as Tom Finney reborn. Diego Godin reminds me a lot of Bobby Moore. We used to have players of that quality, and now we don't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 02:12 PM

Too traditional in what way?

That we still love our red telephone boxes and red post boxes, that the red London buses are a tourists attraction, that Stonehedge, Edinburgh Castle and Whitby Abbey are still standing?

Sorry Donuel, few of you posts make any sense and this one makes none at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 01:39 PM

Some believe that England is too traditional to win the World Cup.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 09:58 AM

Wow, if England gets to the finals,
emotion is going to run really high.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:54 AM

Very good, Steve :-)

I suppose I should revise my statement and say I'll only see bits... err... see odds and ends... err... Oh, it's so hard...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 12:27 AM

yes you only saw a but of the game for most of the first 90 minutes england were better


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 10:46 PM

Question: Can one side fully deserve to loose (on the basis of, apparently, some awful tactics by Columbia that every report I've read confirms) and the other side not fully deserve to win (on the basis that in the only fragment of the game I saw - 10 minutes to full time whistle and early extra time, Columbia, to me, looked the better side)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 02:36 PM

hi Steve

hi Steve

Both teams had some luck in the game. With a good Referee Colombia would have lost at least two players for deliberate foul play in the first half hour.

Granted in the second half England was under some pressure but it was only until the very last second of injury time did Colombia score.

AS for the penalty shootout England looked calm except for Henderson who had had a poor game earlier on.

I don't believe that hitting the bar from a penalty is unlucky if you can't get the ball in the net is bad shot selection.

I agree that the goalkeeper made a fantastic save. Rashford took his penalty calmly without any sign of nerves as did Dier. So we were through.

I agree about Sweden being difficult but I just have a feeling that we will come through. No red lights or nudists for you and Dave....lol

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:59 PM

The point about our lack of goals from open play is well made. Sweden have a solid defence and are way too canny to be seen wrestling Harry to the floor in the penalty area. I think we can't rely on being awarded penalties. Another thing: we crumbled psychologically after their last-ditch goal and nearly blew it in extra time. That's not good enough at this level. Finally, about half an inch thickness of crossbar in the penalty shootout made the difference between Gareth Southgate being today's national heroic all-round good egg and a national disaster. If I were a yank I'd be saying "go figure."

(The true hero was Jordan Pickford who beautifully saved a penalty in the shootout and who made the save of the year near the end of the 90.)

And for crissake, Gareth, PLEASE drop Alli and Sterling...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:43 PM

"We are out on Saturday so I will probably only see snatches."

Nudist camp or red light district, Dave? Heheh!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 11:26 AM

Channel surfing and landed on the extra time of last night's match...
Too knackered to be bothered moving, so wife decided we'd watch it;
she's the sports fan...

She's Welsh, so immediately became a Columbia supporter...

That's the most football I've sat through for about 30 years,
it is so boring and dainty compared to rugby.
I didn't find any interest until the last 15 minutes,
when players started making mistakes and fouling out of exhaustion and desperation..
Now that was real human drama.

I actually enjoyed the tension of the penalty shoot out.. that was the best bit..

The wife gets carried away with over excitement and shouts at the telly,
whatever sport she's watching...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 09:15 AM

'self-loathing' - sorry, do i know you? what are you on about?

Sorry, you're quite right, that was a stupid over-reaction.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 08:57 AM

Hi

England richly deserved to win in my opinion. They tried to open but the but the constant foul play prevented this. Give England the credit for not complaining at some ludicrous decisions from the American Ref.

VAR is by no means perfect. How one of the Columbia team was not sent off for an obvious head butt I just don't know..

I think Nigel has hit on the main problem. There should be rules about mobbing the Ref every time decisions to use Var and other decision times. Only captains should be allowed to approach the Ref as he rightly says happens in Rugby. If they ignore the ref then a Red card should be issued. The soon learn.

The sad part of this is that Columbia showed that they can play football, but they chose to use cynical tactics in the first half.

they got their comeuppance. Their manager should have intervened and got them to play properly. But what do you expect from a manager who tried to elbow Stirling in the face as they came off for half-time.
I feel sorry for their wonderful supporters. The team were not fair to them.
Ok we have to prepare to beat Sweden. Won't be easy they are a difficult team to beat.

cheers Mike


WQe thought the game over until that last minute goal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 06:47 AM

"Self loathing" is a term used by small minded people who cannot get over the fact that its them we loathe, not ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 05:19 AM

'self-loathing' - sorry, do i know you? what are you on about?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 05:00 AM

Bring in the Rugby standard where only the captain speaks to the referee.

While they're at it, a deliberate foul preventing an obvious goal should be a card to the player committing the foul, and a goal given.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:54 AM

Had it have been me suffering all the hassle before that penalty I would have sent half the Columbian team off. Good job I am not a referee I suppose :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:51 AM

Very true Nigel, and I must say last night's referee seemed pretty weak.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:48 AM

Amid all the euphoria, it's worth noting that England have now gone about 240 minutes without scoring from open play
But they are winning (or keeping level until full-time) by scoring free-kicks or penalties.
Why are they getting free-kicks and penalties?
Because they are being illegally prevented from scoring from open play.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:41 AM

Amid all the euphoria, it's worth noting that England have now gone about 240 minutes without scoring from open play. In that time they've conceded three goals (one each to Panama, Belgium and a real sucker punch to Columbia). Much as I want England to do well (and self-loathers like Pete from Aberdeen make me sick), I can't see them getting much further on this form. Having said that, their next opponents Sweden were pretty frightful last time too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteaberdeen
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 03:52 AM

i always turn off the commentary for an england game - but i don;t think england were above a bit of play acting and seemed to get down to the opponent's level for a time. i'd like to be able to get behind england but there is just too much history of oafish, violent, racist misbehaviour among some of our fans that mixed with current ukip and brexit matters leads to something really unpleasant (and a bit difficult as i support scotland and live in the north of england - so a 'traitor' and you get 'i would always support a british team etc etc') i'm very happy with the radical english traditions but those voices go silent at times like this. and looking at the way the draw has opened up for england this time - i fear the worst


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 03:07 AM

It's a great shame that some of those Latins behave like boobies. Once again English team discipline was superb.


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