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BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

MikeL2 15 Jan 18 - 05:07 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:07 PM

Hi Steve

I just watched the whole match. Think you must have been at another one!!!

Granted the tempo was lower than Liverpools's But there is more than one way to win a game. Man U conceed far fewer goals and let's face it, we win more games. After all that is what the games is all about.

It was a little quiet at times tonight but it was pi**ing down and freezing cold. That kept the crowd quiet.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:31 PM

Been at a wildlife trust meeting this evening. Started to watch the United match at the start of the second half. Gave up after ten minutes. I have paint to watch drying. The atmosphere in the stadium is like that of a rather quiet morgue. Maybe it'll pick up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:19 PM

Next season. Dead cert.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:14 PM

PS Steve ........... you didn't remind me of the last time Liverpool won the Premiership


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 12:50 PM

Beautiful piece of purple prose in today's Guardian by Barney Ronay, writing about the match:

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain took the ball deep in Liverpool's half and played a snaking pass inside John Stones. As Stones turned to shield the ball he was bullocked out of the way with malevolent glee by Firmino, a player for whom pressing and closing down is not so much a chore as a hungrily devoured pleasure.

With Stones on his knees Firmino paused, looked up and produced a moment of startling delicacy, from sledgehammer to scalpel in a single shift of feet, lifting a lovingly dinked finish past Ederson as he rushed out. For a moment the ball seemed to hang dreamily under the lights, the air rushing out of the stadium, before falling in a gentle parabola and bouncing in off the post.

Anfield exploded with a huge gurgle of joy.


Same here!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:36 AM

Hi Steve

First let me congratulate you on your pre-match " match of the Century" Comment.

It was my Wife's birthday yesterday and her sister who is home for Christmas took us out to a local pub for dinner. I was disappointed to hear this as I wanted to watch the match. However all worked out well as they put us in the snug where there is a a TV.

What a match !!! Two teams showing attacking football at it's best. Let me say now that the better team won, although it got a bit hairy near the end.

Raggy I disagree with you comments on Pogba. looking at the prices of players today he is not a poor bargain. Remember he has had a few interuptions which have affected his game but lately he has been running the games.

Steve being Steve of course had to be disingenuous with his remark about about " Watching paint dry". Admitted they are not up to Fergie standard, but they have been much more open and attacking recently, except in a couple of games when he " parked the Bus".

Oh and they are second in the league.

I will be watching them tonight on TV cos No 1 son is unable to get tickets.

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:05 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:04 PM

Quite frankly, today's game will do down in the annals as one of the best matches of the Premier League era. The real winners were the fans of both teams who saw a scintillating match played with amazing skill and pace, and with positive sporting spirit. I'll be watching Youtubes of it 'til the day I die!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:27 PM

I very craftily avoided high-intensity kitchen activity this evening. I have a piece of brisket slow-cooking in the pot with porcini and veg, and I broke my golden rule by peeling the spuds before the game. I'm no fool.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:23 PM

Well what a match. I watched it all live on my phone. It was super-thrilling from start to finish, both sides going for it 100%, no defensive shite, no time-wasting, no parking the bus, amazing Anfield atmosphere. A brilliant match, the icing on the cake being City nearly grabbing it back after being a 4-1 down basket case with ten minutes to go. Even my toe nails are gone. I'm a shadow of me former self after watching that, I tell you. YES!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:10 PM

I know you didn't take up my offer of a bet Steve, but if we ever meet again I will buy you a pint for Liverpools win today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:02 PM

Well I'm buggered. Well done to Liverpool. I have to admit I'm surprised by the result and I'll not be able to watch the highlights as I'm creating a 4 course meal for 6 this evening.

Have a good gloat Steve, your team obviously deserve it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 11:09 AM

Ok.. try to convince a non believer there is a team in the West country worth supporting...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 11:01 AM

Steve, are you a gambling man. I'll put a pint on city to win.

I reckon it will be 3-1 or 4-1 City !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:44 AM

Try this one instead

Mali


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:41 AM

Here you go Vic.


Mali


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:35 AM

Can any football fan tell me where I can get a replica shirt for the national team of Mali?
I would also need to have the following letters for the player's name - T - I - M - B - U - K and a hge number 2 to go under them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:22 AM

You can have Pogba, I don't rate him at all, £90 million up the Swanee as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Rashford or Lingard will be on the market any time soon.

As for our moaning minnie of a manager I can't abide the man, he's like a petulant spoilt brat, but he does have a knack of winning trophies ............ something Liverpool haven't done for some time, just remind me when was it you last won the Premiership?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:54 AM

Yebbut watching many a United game is akin to watching paint dry. And Mourinho has got cracking talent of the likes of Martial and Rashford who he can't seem to get the best out of. Mind you, if I were Klopp I'd be after Lingard with all that dough Liverpool's just amassed from the sale of Coutinho. And what about Pogba? Looks like a bloody waste of money to me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:01 AM

Yebbut bollocks, I number of times I've heard Liverpool fans bemoaning the fact they haven't won a trophy for years beggars belief, and I'm not really a football fan.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 05:55 AM

Yebbut football is supposed to be entertainment for the masses!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 05:49 AM

"Their recent history has been one of scruffy 1-0 wins" ........ and a cupboard full of trophys!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 05:36 PM

Ah, but it's how you play the game. For over twenty years United have concentrated on winning ugly. Their recent history has been one of scruffy 1-0 wins and games so tedious that even their own fans have slow-handclapped them. It's no different this season. Hardly surprising with the Petulant Special Juan at the helm! In contrast, Liverpool play scintillating footie, though with a very vulnerable defence. But Virgil is here to fix that. Watch this space. And this is turning into what I CALL a footie thread! Let's get tribal!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 04:21 PM

Do you want to have a look at the record books Steve.

Admittedly Liverpool HAVE been a very good and successful team but just remind me when the last time they won a trophy was?

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 08:17 AM

Who?

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:28 AM

Match of the century tomorrow Steve, United are not playing till Monday and we're only playing Stoke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:13 AM

Grr...

Anyway, the match of the century at Anfield tomorrow, eh, Mike! I can watch it on my phone with my Christmas present, me cordless Bluetooth headphones, so as not to annoy the football-shunning Mrs Steve. Though she can still hear my oooos at near-misses and me swearing at the ref...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:08 AM

Sorry about that illiterate sentence "Only the Catholic grammar schools played each other." What I meant was that the Catholic grammar schools only played other Catholuc grammar schools! Well Thornleigh did anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 05:56 AM

It was De La Salle indeed MikeL, I can honestly say I hated every second of my time there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:01 PM

Well I played cricket for Thornleigh and we beat St Bede's but got slaughtered by De La Salle. Only the Catholic grammar schools played each other!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:51 PM

Hi Dave I

Knew the Willows very well. I went on trial for Salford and played three games under the name A N Other. This was because I wasn't a signed on Player. This was quite common in those days.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:42 PM

Hi Raggy

I think you are referring to De La Salle Salford ??

No I did not attend there though I did take and pass the entry examinations.

I also passed for St. Bede's which was also a Roman Catholic Grammar school.

At the time I lived in Altrincham and as I passed the entrance exam my parents decided that they could not economically afford to send me to Manchester or Salford when we lived in walking distance of Altrincham Grammar School. I was advised not to attend any non- Catholic Classes or attend Morning prayers.

I was followed by my son and now one of my grandsons.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:29 PM

Bloomin' spill chucker again...

Wire brush of course.

In one of my workplaces someone had posted a notice saying 'Please do not put paper towels down the toilet.' Some wag had added 'or shit in the bins':-)

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 01:10 PM

Wide brush, Dave? Reminds me of the graffiti in the gents in my school, of all places. The sign up in the cubicle said "Please use the brush." Some wag had scribbled underneath "I'd rather use the paper."


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:49 PM

A blowtorch to the eyes after reading, whilst cordoned off with a perimeter of biohazard tape...


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:47 PM

I am not sure if hand gel would work to clean off what is in the Daily Heil. Bottle of Detol and a wide brush?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:09 AM

Well next time I'm at a football match, instead of spitting on cars I'll drop my pants and relieve meself in numero deux fashion on the pavement (I'll have the Daily Mail to hand)*. I'm wondering which of the two endeavours would be more likely to get me in the Manchester Evening News (Gawd bless it...)

Just whimsy, Nigel, just whimsy...

*And a small bottle of hand gel, of course. I'm not that uncivilised, you know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 04:04 AM

"Dog owners who let . . ." does not actually mean the dog owners are present

It doesn't matter whether they are present or not. It is still the owners responsibility. Have you seen my comments on different languages going on Mudcat? Maybe you and I are just on different wavelengths.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:39 AM

No, I don't argue with everything he says on principle.

"Dog owners who let . . ." does not actually mean the dog owners are present, or that they are capable of controlling their dogs to that extent even if they are present.
The dog owners may not be able to control their dogs, but the footie fans should be able to control themselves.
The examples given seem to be of footie fans going out of their way to be obnoxious. The dogs are just answering the call of nature.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:34 AM

I do believe that Steve referred to 'the dog owners who let etc.' rather than their dogs. Do you just argue with everything that he says on principle?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:31 AM

From: Steve Shaw
We could always compare the proportion of footie fans who spit on cars, etc., with the proportion of dog-owners who let their dogs shit and piss all over the streets


The footie fans can, presumably, be expected to know better than the dogs which may or may not be with/controlled by their owners.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 05:04 PM

Just up the road from the Willows as well!

D.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 04:45 PM

I wonder MikeL, with what you have said about your upbringing and schooling, whether we may have attended the same Roman Catholic Grammar school in Salford which just happened to be on Weaste Lane?


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 03:03 PM

Hi Dave

You don't know what you missed !!! Some great League was available in the Salford/Swinton area. I can understand you knowing a little about league but not much about Union. I played both. - a couple of years at Leeague and for almost 30 years at Union. I remember towards the end of my career I was made Captain. Union was changing becoming more professional. As we came on the pitch at the start of my last year the Referee read out all the new Laws. I said to him " I have played for 30 years without understanding the old rules so don't expect me to change now.

Cheers
mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 02:48 PM

Hi Steve

You are quite right Manchester United was seen to represent the Roman Catholic side of Manchester. Indeed My parents and grand parents were Catholic. They were very strong United followers.

My brother and I were educated in Catholic schools. Salford had a very strong Catholic representation.

I think that United were Catholic before Busby came and he strengthened United's Catholic reliance.

As far as I know there was no bitterness among the Catholics and protestants.

I lived and worked in Scotland and Celtic and Rangers had religious
attachments. I would say that the differences in Scotland were more strong than in England.

I went to watch a couple of Rangers v Celtic games. They were played on New Years day and there was lots of crowd problems.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:50 PM

We could always compare the proportion of footie fans who spit on cars, etc., with the proportion of dog-owners who let their dogs shit and piss all over the streets (including pissing on my car wheels). If Bude is anything to go by I should think there's no competition...

Not trying to do "he does it too, Miss," but just highlighting the point again that most human endeavours have downsides...

Live and let live!


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:41 PM

I should have added to my rant that I would never tar all football fans with the same brush as those rogues I came across. The vast majority are ordinary people who have a passion for something they clearly enjoy. To do so would be akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists. Using the same analogy the authorities would have as much difficulty in eliminating those few as Islam has with it's wrong 'uns.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:05 PM

The main sport here in the Scottish Borders is rugby and it has been so for more than a century. I have never heard anyone say there are going to watch 'football' when they are actually meaning 'rugby'. Yes officially it is rugby football but everyone knows when someone is talking about football they are meaning the round ball game.


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 10:39 AM

I must say my only experiences with crowd trouble have both been with football crowds in Manchester and they were probably about 10 years or so ago.

There was one occasion in Manchester itself when a Scottish club was playing A Russian club and there were awful fights and brawls. There were also several drunks laying across the pavement on Deansgate in the early afternoon which was very intimidating. I was considering letting 15 stone of Gnome walk across them but thought better of it!

The other couple of times were when I was working in Salford Quays and Man U were playing. From the colours these were Man U fans on both occasions. The first time I was trying to drive from work on normal roads at normal going home time and was forced to stop dues to a large crowd blocking the whole road in front of me. There was a heavy police presence moving them on but my car and the ones in front of and behind me were covered in spit when the crown had passed. Not exactly life threatening but not nice :-(

The second time I was on foot and witnessed a crowd of 'fans' marching and chanting along the side of the quays, throwing anything that was not screwed down into the water. To crown it all, 2 or 3 of them proceeded to urinate in the middle of the road while others cheered.

I do appreciate that these are isolated incidents but it is these that sour the experience for everyone concerned.

Sorry Steve

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 10:21 AM

But does it still happen? A big police turnout as a precautionary measure in certain circumstances is sensible. They do that for the Trooping of the Colour too! And just wait 'til you see that royal wedding... I can't tell you the number of times I've been hassled and herded around by dozens of cops whilst attending peaceful demos. It isn't really fair to blame people for something they haven't done, and may not do, just because you see a lot of policemen there. But there has been trouble in the past, so, as I say, taking precautions is the sensible thing to do.


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