BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

Subject: BS: Football
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 06:44 AM

I can't say I'm really bothered all that much about football, I will watch the highlights and occasionally put on a whole match and read a book while it is on raising my head only when the commentary indicates something "exciting" is happening (it rarely is).

Contrast this to Hurling or Gaelic Football. In these two sports the action is fast, flowing, fluent, furious and fascinating. The players are all amateurs, they play merely for the glory and a successful team will be thought of as heroes long after they retire.

All in all much better games to watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 07:10 AM

Televised Subbuteo...????

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 09:42 AM

Sorry for mucking your thread up, Raggytash. It's just that Mr Red got me gander up with his sideswipes at footie fans.

Tell you what. I'll copy and paste my post here right now and perhaps some kind mod would delete the post from your thread...?

Football non-fans constantly attacking football for being tribal is, ironically, tribal. So you don't like football. Well a lot of people do. A couple of years ago I tried, months in advance, to get a ticket for a relatively humdrum, non-crucial home match at Anfield (Liverpool vs Villa). No chance.

There a lot wrong with football. Players' pay at the top of the game is scandalous. Most league footballers don't get tens of thousands a week, however. We tend to dwell on the most egregious examples, which are actually a small minority. Ticket prices are outlandish in consequence (though you'd pay approximately as much for a decent seat at the opera or for a symphony concert). There's far too much corporate involvement. Some top clubs are bankrolled by billionaires who can buy or sell clubs at will and that's not really fair. Transfer fees at the top are ludicrous, and they are boosted further by parasitic agents taking huge slices of dosh. Television rights are bought for billions a year. We all pay for that eventually via advertising, even though you have to pay to see the matches on the telly. Which I do.

But wassup? It's a perfect example of capitalism in action. So is Tesco, Asda and Morrisons, but I still use them. Another thing that will, I know, never convince the footie-haters: at its best, which is often, it's a beautiful, flowing game that requires consummate skill, tactics and fitness. It isn't popular for nothing. And its popularity, whether you like it or not, crosses class boundaries. It's a great diversion for millions of people who haven't got much colour in their lives. And what's so wrong with diversions? And, let's face it, Liverpool FC are simply the greatest in waiting...

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:05 AM

Quite honestly Steve the diversion was much needed relief from the lack of comprehension in some quarters.

Having said that I don't really comprehend the tribal nature of football. I've witnessed it often enough but I can't get so emotionally involved over 22 men kicking an inflated pigs bladder around a pitch watched by 50,000 referees.

I'm pickling Gherkins today, can't beat a pickled Gherkin.

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:08 AM

Never got too much into footie myself but I used to enjoy watching Speedway at Belle Vue in the late 60s. I can sort of understand the 'tribalism' (probably should use a better word) as it happens, to a greater or lesser extent, in most sports.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 10:56 AM

'tribalism' is probably a very appropriate term due to the need (often) to segregate opposing groups of supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 11:19 AM

In the west country region where I grew up, there was no real football teams to get excited about..

When I was 7, I was obviously caught up in the world cup winning hysteria.. but that didn't last too long.

Then I was introduced to Rugby at grammar school.
We weren't allowed to play football.

It seems to me that the brutal blood and mud fouling and punch ups footie of the past,
has been so emasculated and sanitised,
no wonder the modern game is such an anodyne fashion entertainment so increasingly appealing to teenage girls...

We watch rugby and boxing in our house.

My mrs is Welsh and proudly tribal when it comes to rugby,
she gets a real bloodthirsty adrenolin buzz off watching the tackles and bad tempered exchanges.
And now that channel 5 is showing free to view boxing with occasional Welsh boxers,
She can be heard shouting & screaming at the telly from outside our bay window onto the road....

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Mr Red
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 11:31 AM

It's just that Mr Red got me gander up with his sideswipes at footie fans

"More than a religion proved". Ya can't ask them to accept responsibility because of it. Not a sideswipe, a direct hit, deflected by the "not me" stratagem. It was the other tribe obviously!

And as for tribal - even a good hearted crowd are tribal. These days we don't see as much of the Milwall syndrome but it is not unknown to have an undercover French policeman in a gang of French supporters at the world cup in ie England. And if you saw Eurosport - the football ads are predominently about anti-racism. If you contrast that with a sport like MotoGP where they provide stands for Rossi yellow and Marquez orange but I ain't never heard of any antagonism because there are also Ducatista, Suziki supporters, KTM clan, Aprilia afficianados etc. More tribes, more dilute rivalry. A different kind of crowd who applaud the riders as they do their slow-down lap. F1 is in the same category (AFAIK). Tennis I would expect even more so. etc

Two teams invites more robust rivalry and it has been seen demonstrably so. Football must police itself it it wants to be respected by the majority (who don't give a toss about the over-priced game that we majority have to subsidise).

Large crowds are dangerous, tribal ones moreso. It needs regulation and review - constantly. The crowd dictate that. The rest of us demand it. The crowd think it is nanny state until ........... then they blame everyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 12:49 PM

I know nothing about football (and could care even less!) But I'm told Norwich City aren't doing too well at the moment. Neither are Man U.
Husband is a Premier League tart though, and has a top for every team, which he wears on a whim. And a Cote d'Ivoire one (Les Elephants)

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 01:07 PM

I've just remembered collecting metal coins stamped with footballers heads from the local Esso petrol station
back when I was in primary school...


As I didn't drive and refuel, I guess me and my mates must have been begging motorists to hand over their free coins to us....???

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 01:58 PM

Well I see that there's plenty of anti-footie sentiment here. Of course we all subsidise it. Advertising costs money and advertisers pass the costs to us. But that's just capitalism and I assume we all operate within the capitalist system, even if some of us wish we didn't have to be of it. I almost never watch ITV or Channel 4 or 5 but I still pay more for the stuff they advertise. You could advise me not to buy that stuff, but, as I don't see the ads, I dunno what stuff it is. This website is peppered with annoying ads for stuff vaguely linked to what I might have been googling. There's no such thing as a free lunch. But I'm not bothered. You pay the same taxes that support schools and universities even if you don't have kids. My council tax pays for police that I haven't seen anywhere near my house in thirty years and for taking my rubbish, which doesn't happen because I live too far from the main road. I pay for a nuclear deterrent that I despise and I'm about to pay for a new vanity railway costing tens of billions that I'll never be able to afford to use. But my only recourse may be to vote out the buggers who want to spend my money on these hare-brained schemes. The singling-out of footie - we pay for the advertising, the policing, the clearing-up, blah blah - makes me question the motives of the people who do the singling out. To them, footie is a Bad Thing/tribal/replete with rotten role models/overpaid/overhyped/22 silly men chasing a silly ball/bloody Wayne bloody Rooney...

How about instead that it's great entertainment for millions, it adds colour to a lot of lives that lack it, it requires supreme fitness, skill and tactics, it encourages youngsters to get outside in the fresh air, it's a way of forgetting the vicissitudes of life for a little while...above all, it keeps me and Mike off the streets and gets me and him arguing about Man U and Liverpool (naturally, he's always wrong about it all the time, just like my grandad was) instead of bloody brexit and bloody Thatcher and bloody popes. Things like that are all I talk about with some people here and it's pretty hard to imbue the conversations with much bonhomie. But Mike and I are at polar opposites of the political spectrum and guess what? Never a discouraging word to one another ever crosses our keyboards. And, Mr Red, it's true that big crowds are dangerous. The most dangerous big crowds are called armies. Very few people argue that armies are a Bad Thing, not even me. Everything comes at a cost. Consider your position!

Subject: RE: BS: Football
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 03:08 PM

Hi Steve

"Your 10 Jan 18 - 01:58 PM "

You are more articulate than I am and I agree with most of your comments which you put better than me.

I have played most sports at various levels. I love most sports and these days as I am in my Eighties I watch most of it on TV. My No 1 son is able to get football match tickets and he takes me occasionally, otherwise I just would'nt be able to get there.

My family going back to my Grandfather have all been Manchester United Supporters.

My father though played Rugby League as a Semi pro for Broughton Rangers Belle Vue Rangers and Swinton.

I played football at school and represented my County. But my "ole fella" wanted me to play "rugger" and so I played both Rugby Union and League. But Union was my best love and I played for many years several clubs including Sale.

In summer I played cricket both in The Yorkshire and Cheshire Leagues.

When my rugby days were over Surprisingly I watched Football not rugby so much as I found it more exciting to watch.

I agree with Steve and his views on what is wrong with football and there is a lot.

I have played a little shinty when I was in Scotland and some Lacrosse back in England. These are crazy !!! I suffered more injuries and bruises than ever I did at football or rugby

I understand people who don't like football, that is their perrogative.

I can even understand people who support Liverpool. !!!!!!!!

At it's best football is thrilling, exciting and to me even beautiful.

Hope I haven't bored you all.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 03:12 PM

Hurling is indeed a fascinating game

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 03:33 PM

Ahah, I see someone has expanded the title. You yanks have my sympathies. I've tried to watch American football a couple of times. This is what I've gleaned so far:

A lot of extremely-padded men stand around for several minutes.

Some kind of signal obliges them to stand in two lines.

One man throws an oddly-shaped ball along the lines.

Everybody spends the next thirty seconds trying to beat everyone else up.

After a short period of dusting-down, the process is repeated.

In the meantime, a bunch of very beautiful girls with frilly skirts right up to their delectable bottoms jump up and down on the touchline in gleeful and noisy fashion. This is, to my unrefined eye, by far the most appealing part of the game.

Am I missing something?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 03:40 PM

Don't mock... I'm being serious...

I forgot to mention that over the last year or so,
me and the wife have followed the 2 monthly Sumo Wresting tournements on NHK News HD channel [Sky 507]

Fought over 15 days, with a daily half hour English Language highlights show...


Fascinating, and quite exciting at times...

Next tournament starts from this Sunday Jan 14...


https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/sumo/

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 03:42 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, Mike, but I think my Grandad, who worked all his life in Salford docks and knew every pub in Salford, a lifelong Irish Catholic (my mum was born in Silk Street and went to Our Lady Of Grace) supported Manchester United because they were always seen to be a "Catholic club" managed by Matt Busby, a Catholic right down to his boots. Mind you, in those days United were worth supporting, what with Denis Law, Bobby Charlton, Georgie Best, Harry Gregg and, before that, the Babes. I went to Italy on a school trip in 1968 and the locals around Naples were mad about Bobby Charlton!

But Burnley had Jimmy Mac, and Liverpool were on the up...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 04:02 PM

To the Mod who changed the thread title.

In Europe, and the UK in particular we play FOOTBALL.

In the USA you have FORMATION MUGGING.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two codes I don't know how you have the audacity to call your travesty of the format a game, never mind football.

For a start in your version the ball is very rarely kicked for crying out loud !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 04:03 PM

I lived in Swinton for 50 years, Mike, and then only moved as far as Irlams o'th' Heights but only every sent to see them play once. At th' Heights I was half an hours walk to the Willows but never went to see Salford at all! Now I live in Yorkshire and will probably never go to see Leeds or Bradford.

I did play league at school though so at least I know What is going on. Unlike Union where I have no idea:-(

I must make an effort one day:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 11:57 PM

I thought long and hard about what I should put to clarify the title. I hope it isn't too unacceptable. I think I'd agree with the consensus about the comparative quality of the two games, but I'd prefer to watch neither one. I did enjoy playing soccer, though.

So, do you have cheerleaders over there?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 03:22 AM

From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jan 18 - 04:02 PM
To the Mod who changed the thread title.
In Europe, and the UK in particular we play FOOTBALL.

I think what you mean is that this discussion is about "Association Football" (often shortened to either 'soccer' or 'football')
'Football' can be either Rugby Football, or Association Football.

In the US they appear to play either soccer, or a version similar to rugby football.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 04:45 AM

I a pretty sure the vast majority of people in the UK understand that Football is the association kind while Rugby is referred to as Rugby which, if we are being pedantic about it, can be league or union. As this is standard usage across all the media in he UK it is a bit daft to refer to it as anything other than football here.

The US is a different case. The term football has become common usage for the game they play there and, as a relative newcomer, 'soccer' has had to take on an alternate name.

Joe - We don't have cheerleaders. There is no need for such distractions in the games played here :-) What we do have, to add a further much misused term, is Morris dance troupes which have nothing to do with Morris dance as in the folk tradition but are groups of, usually, young ladies performing a set march/dance routine which sometimes has elements of what I have seen as cheerleading. This is done as a competitive sport in it's own right.

Confused? You will be...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 04:47 AM

Consider your position!

Not near a football stadium, especially on a Saturday. That's my position.

Football is a minority interest in the UK (and the world) or another (alt fact) way of putting it is the biggest minority - it isn't, fishing is.

The problems are

1) Politicians are shit scared of pointing to the dangers
2) until there is a disaster
3) politicians can't blame the fans in spite of a clear audit trail of their contribution to any disaster.
4) when there are deaths, all fans become victims, regardless of culpability

This could be true of other genres but not to the degree. Why is rugby, by and large, devoid of the problems? Is it crowd volume? Is it the nature of the game that sees more violence on the pitch? Is it the image of being a gentleman's game? Is it that there is less money involved? Seen as a "Northern" game? Less countries participating?

Time was, I was told by those who were there, that before WW2 children were taken to see football. And rowdy behaviour was policed by the crowds' collective admonishment to individuals. We may be returning to those days, but are we there yet? I still see evidence to the contrary. And have the days of the Glasgie wet leg** gone? I somehow doubt it.

Society has been moving towards the ME generation as each generation passes. Large crowds are dangerous. Moreso when populated by the ME generation. Or two nations are competing.

I should ask - what are the Americans doing that would appear to work in Baseball? I know Canadian Ice Hockey had an atrocious reputation at one time. What did the governing bodies do to address that?

**think splashes from someone urinating on the terraces instead of finding the toilet.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 05:02 AM

At least according to Huffpost it seems the use of the word 'soccer' has only declined in UK usage since the 1980s.
I certainly remember a time when the games were either soccer or rugby. 'Football' tended to encompass several games, including bank holiday mini-riots where an inflated bladder of some description might be found.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 05:02 AM

it isn't, fishing is.

Not comparing like with like there Mr R. Fishing is the sport with the biggest participation base but nowhere near football (or many others) as a spectator sport.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 05:16 AM

the word 'soccer' has only declined in UK usage since the 1980s

Well, first thing, the 1980s was 30 years ago. How long does something need to used for it to be become common usage? Secondly, I suspect the term soccer was not a general term for football in the UK even before that. I grew up in 50's/60s suburban Manchester and everyone I knew used the term football or 'footie'. Maybe it was a regional thing as it is now a national thing? Not that anyone but the most nit-picking pedant could give a flying f*** about it anyway...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:09 AM

You are holding to your position as ultimate curmudgeon numero uno, Mr Red. Most human activities that involve participation by numbers of people, either as actors or spectators, have downsides. Three thousand people die on our roads every year. Horse racing over fences can cause horrible injuries to animals and promote gambling addiction. Protest marches often descend into violence. Referendums give terrible results. Downsides and occasional inconveniences to non-participants are part of humanity itself. Live and let live. The fact that it isn't exactly a majority who enjoy footie is no argument at all (would you use that argument against classical concerts or folk gigs? Glastonbury? Woodstock?), neither is it that millions of grown men, more than who go to football, like to spend their spare time engaged in a so-called sport that involves spearing terrified inedible fish through their bottom lips with a viciously-barbed hook. To me, watching paint dry is far more entertaining than watching snooker on the telly, but so what? Religion attracts many pejoratives, but the fact that only a minority of people attend church on Sunday is hardly a legitimate one. You see only downsides. Where's your sense of balance?

Football is too flowing to be able to accommodate cheerleaders, Dave, though what wouldn't be to like about a bit of a show just before kickoff and at half-time! When I were a little lad and going to matches at t'Gigg (Bury FC), the brass band would march out on to the pitch as on as the half-time whistle went. My mum was the registrar for years at Bury Cemetery (the dead centre of the town), which was right next door to Gigg Lane. It was more than possible for players to boot the ball over the not-very-high stand roof in between. Footballs found on graves was an occasional talking-point!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:13 AM

Wha...? "As soon as"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:22 AM

Linking back to another thread, Swinton Lions played at Gig Lane for a while when their ground was sold to property developers. Just out of interest.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 06:35 AM

Gigg Lane was always admired for the high quality of its pitch back in the days when most pitches were quagmires all winter. I went to a match in the early 60s at Old Trafford when there was scarcely a blade of grass on half of the pitch. Another dismal aspect of that match was that Man U beat Burnley 6-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Mr Red
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 07:08 AM

that involve participation by numbers of people,

But are the politicians shit scared of criticising them?

Football holds a unique position on that score. In the UK at least.

I have worked with a Celtic Glaswegian. He was a magistrate too. But all was a joke when it came to the rivalry with the Old Firm. He was even there when the Ibrox disaster occurred, though not at the same end.

It was always an amazement how he held conflicting stances when you compared views re Footie shenanigans and unrelated high spirits. Committed Christian and throughly nice chap. But he did puzzle me.

I guess he justified it by explaining it as a few miscreants, not the body. But then that is why large crowds are dangerous. Especially religious ones like at football stadia. The thing to watch for is emerging complexity.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 07:27 AM

But the size of the crowd in a sports stadium doesn't account for it.
Rugby International crowds can be of similar size, and just as biased in their opinions, but the same problems don't flare up.
Cardiff's Millennium Stadium was host to numerous 'Football' cup finals while Wembley was being redeveloped. There were no major disruptions. Admittedly the bars in the stadium were closed on those days, but there were lots of pubs on the way in (from the segregated fans parking at different points in the city).
The same crowd for a Rugby international will be sitting in the stadium with the supporter groups intermingled, and the bars open. - No Problems!

It must be down to the attitude of the sport, and its supporters.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: JMB
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 08:31 AM

When I hear the term football, I first think of Association Football or Gaelic Football or Rugby Football. There is also Australian form of football I understand. I feel that Rugby is more appealing to me than American Football. The game that the Americans play is slow moving game. As soon as the ball hits the ground or if the player in possession gets tackled, the play is dead. In Rugby, dropping the ball or getting tackled will result in the play continuing. Also, in Rugby, you have to pass the ball to a team mate behind you. Forward passes are illegal which makes for a good challenge. I played a little Rugby when I was younger and worked at major local tournaments with tasks such as running touch. It's a fun game. I do enjoy the American game sometimes, though. If you're from Canada and a big American Football fan, you would know that there is a Canadian form of rules of the American football. I understand that in Canada, you have three downs opposed to the four in America. If you're unfamiliar with the term, it's of course how many chances your team has to make it over ten yards to keep in possession of the ball or losing possession. The Canadian field length is 110 yards opposed to the 100 yards in America.

Association Football: I am a big supporter of Glasgow Celtic FC in Scotland. Football in Europe to me is like a religion and a way of life. It is part of my individual culture.

When I see hockey mentioned above: The level of roughness in hockey is diverse when it comes to history and geography. Throughout time, and the many regions where the game is played, the brand of hockey is different. Not only in how rough the players are, but in basic rules of the play such as the two line pass rule. That has been removed from the game several years ago which makes the game go faster. Back to roughness: In the Maritime provinces, the junior level of hockey in the 1990s was laden with fi

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: JMB
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 08:33 AM

was laden with one on one, line and bench brawls. At one time, you could have two fights for a player in a game before they were ejected. In the 90s, the violence was fueled by fierce and passonate rivalries and all aspects of the game were unpredictable. You never knew what was going to happen or when, and the crowds were massive.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: JMB
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 08:36 AM

I've heard tell in some Asian countries, there is no violence in hockey. It is not tolerated. If you fight your punishment is really stiff.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 09:50 AM

13,000,000 people attend Premier League games each year, and there are three more senior leagues and lots of minor leagues below that. I'm puzzled by all this talk of crowd trouble at matches being such a big issue. I can't remember the last time I heard of a major outbreak of violence at a match. You have to go back years. Grounds are far safer places these days, more comfortable, far better organised, mostly with covered stands and far more people seated, and generally with a zero-tolerance ethos in place. If you make big trouble you'll be caught on camera and banned for life. So, basically, come off it. You're way out of date.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 10:04 AM

Steve, my last experience of crowd "trouble" was only 11 or 12 years ago.

In Huddersfield when they play Leeds United the number of Police bussed in from other towns had to be seen to be believed,but they arrived in strength and fully equipped for riots.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 10:20 AM

Trying to remember my social history...

But wasn't there a period in the 80s or early 90s when former ultra violent football hooligan gangs caught on to rave culture
and stated smoking themselves placid and chilled out on skunk...???

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 10:21 AM

But does it still happen? A big police turnout as a precautionary measure in certain circumstances is sensible. They do that for the Trooping of the Colour too! And just wait 'til you see that royal wedding... I can't tell you the number of times I've been hassled and herded around by dozens of cops whilst attending peaceful demos. It isn't really fair to blame people for something they haven't done, and may not do, just because you see a lot of policemen there. But there has been trouble in the past, so, as I say, taking precautions is the sensible thing to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 10:39 AM

I must say my only experiences with crowd trouble have both been with football crowds in Manchester and they were probably about 10 years or so ago.

There was one occasion in Manchester itself when a Scottish club was playing A Russian club and there were awful fights and brawls. There were also several drunks laying across the pavement on Deansgate in the early afternoon which was very intimidating. I was considering letting 15 stone of Gnome walk across them but thought better of it!

The other couple of times were when I was working in Salford Quays and Man U were playing. From the colours these were Man U fans on both occasions. The first time I was trying to drive from work on normal roads at normal going home time and was forced to stop dues to a large crowd blocking the whole road in front of me. There was a heavy police presence moving them on but my car and the ones in front of and behind me were covered in spit when the crown had passed. Not exactly life threatening but not nice :-(

The second time I was on foot and witnessed a crowd of 'fans' marching and chanting along the side of the quays, throwing anything that was not screwed down into the water. To crown it all, 2 or 3 of them proceeded to urinate in the middle of the road while others cheered.

I do appreciate that these are isolated incidents but it is these that sour the experience for everyone concerned.

Sorry Steve

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:05 PM

The main sport here in the Scottish Borders is rugby and it has been so for more than a century. I have never heard anyone say there are going to watch 'football' when they are actually meaning 'rugby'. Yes officially it is rugby football but everyone knows when someone is talking about football they are meaning the round ball game.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:41 PM

I should have added to my rant that I would never tar all football fans with the same brush as those rogues I came across. The vast majority are ordinary people who have a passion for something they clearly enjoy. To do so would be akin to saying all Muslims are terrorists. Using the same analogy the authorities would have as much difficulty in eliminating those few as Islam has with it's wrong 'uns.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 12:50 PM

We could always compare the proportion of footie fans who spit on cars, etc., with the proportion of dog-owners who let their dogs shit and piss all over the streets (including pissing on my car wheels). If Bude is anything to go by I should think there's no competition...

Not trying to do "he does it too, Miss," but just highlighting the point again that most human endeavours have downsides...

Live and let live!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 02:48 PM

Hi Steve

You are quite right Manchester United was seen to represent the Roman Catholic side of Manchester. Indeed My parents and grand parents were Catholic. They were very strong United followers.

My brother and I were educated in Catholic schools. Salford had a very strong Catholic representation.

I think that United were Catholic before Busby came and he strengthened United's Catholic reliance.

As far as I know there was no bitterness among the Catholics and protestants.

I lived and worked in Scotland and Celtic and Rangers had religious
attachments. I would say that the differences in Scotland were more strong than in England.

I went to watch a couple of Rangers v Celtic games. They were played on New Years day and there was lots of crowd problems.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 03:03 PM

Hi Dave

You don't know what you missed !!! Some great League was available in the Salford/Swinton area. I can understand you knowing a little about league but not much about Union. I played both. - a couple of years at Leeague and for almost 30 years at Union. I remember towards the end of my career I was made Captain. Union was changing becoming more professional. As we came on the pitch at the start of my last year the Referee read out all the new Laws. I said to him " I have played for 30 years without understanding the old rules so don't expect me to change now.

Cheers
mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 04:45 PM

I wonder MikeL, with what you have said about your upbringing and schooling, whether we may have attended the same Roman Catholic Grammar school in Salford which just happened to be on Weaste Lane?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jan 18 - 05:04 PM

Just up the road from the Willows as well!

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:31 AM

From: Steve Shaw
We could always compare the proportion of footie fans who spit on cars, etc., with the proportion of dog-owners who let their dogs shit and piss all over the streets

The footie fans can, presumably, be expected to know better than the dogs which may or may not be with/controlled by their owners.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:34 AM

I do believe that Steve referred to 'the dog owners who let etc.' rather than their dogs. Do you just argue with everything that he says on principle?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 03:39 AM

No, I don't argue with everything he says on principle.

"Dog owners who let . . ." does not actually mean the dog owners are present, or that they are capable of controlling their dogs to that extent even if they are present.
The dog owners may not be able to control their dogs, but the footie fans should be able to control themselves.
The examples given seem to be of footie fans going out of their way to be obnoxious. The dogs are just answering the call of nature.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 04:04 AM

"Dog owners who let . . ." does not actually mean the dog owners are present

It doesn't matter whether they are present or not. It is still the owners responsibility. Have you seen my comments on different languages going on Mudcat? Maybe you and I are just on different wavelengths.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:09 AM

Well next time I'm at a football match, instead of spitting on cars I'll drop my pants and relieve meself in numero deux fashion on the pavement (I'll have the Daily Mail to hand)*. I'm wondering which of the two endeavours would be more likely to get me in the Manchester Evening News (Gawd bless it...)

Just whimsy, Nigel, just whimsy...

*And a small bottle of hand gel, of course. I'm not that uncivilised, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:47 PM

I am not sure if hand gel would work to clean off what is in the Daily Heil. Bottle of Detol and a wide brush?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 12:49 PM

A blowtorch to the eyes after reading, whilst cordoned off with a perimeter of biohazard tape...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 01:10 PM

Wide brush, Dave? Reminds me of the graffiti in the gents in my school, of all places. The sign up in the cubicle said "Please use the brush." Some wag had scribbled underneath "I'd rather use the paper."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:29 PM

Bloomin' spill chucker again...

Wire brush of course.

In one of my workplaces someone had posted a notice saying 'Please do not put paper towels down the toilet.' Some wag had added 'or shit in the bins':-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:42 PM

Hi Raggy

I think you are referring to De La Salle Salford ??

No I did not attend there though I did take and pass the entry examinations.

I also passed for St. Bede's which was also a Roman Catholic Grammar school.

At the time I lived in Altrincham and as I passed the entrance exam my parents decided that they could not economically afford to send me to Manchester or Salford when we lived in walking distance of Altrincham Grammar School. I was advised not to attend any non- Catholic Classes or attend Morning prayers.

I was followed by my son and now one of my grandsons.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 02:51 PM

Hi Dave I

Knew the Willows very well. I went on trial for Salford and played three games under the name A N Other. This was because I wasn't a signed on Player. This was quite common in those days.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 06:01 PM

Well I played cricket for Thornleigh and we beat St Bede's but got slaughtered by De La Salle. Only the Catholic grammar schools played each other!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 05:56 AM

It was De La Salle indeed MikeL, I can honestly say I hated every second of my time there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:08 AM

Sorry about that illiterate sentence "Only the Catholic grammar schools played each other." What I meant was that the Catholic grammar schools only played other Catholuc grammar schools! Well Thornleigh did anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:13 AM

Grr...

Anyway, the match of the century at Anfield tomorrow, eh, Mike! I can watch it on my phone with my Christmas present, me cordless Bluetooth headphones, so as not to annoy the football-shunning Mrs Steve. Though she can still hear my oooos at near-misses and me swearing at the ref...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:28 AM

Match of the century tomorrow Steve, United are not playing till Monday and we're only playing Stoke.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 08:17 AM

Who?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 04:21 PM

Do you want to have a look at the record books Steve.

Admittedly Liverpool HAVE been a very good and successful team but just remind me when the last time they won a trophy was?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 05:36 PM

Ah, but it's how you play the game. For over twenty years United have concentrated on winning ugly. Their recent history has been one of scruffy 1-0 wins and games so tedious that even their own fans have slow-handclapped them. It's no different this season. Hardly surprising with the Petulant Special Juan at the helm! In contrast, Liverpool play scintillating footie, though with a very vulnerable defence. But Virgil is here to fix that. Watch this space. And this is turning into what I CALL a footie thread! Let's get tribal!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 05:49 AM

"Their recent history has been one of scruffy 1-0 wins" ........ and a cupboard full of trophys!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 05:55 AM

Yebbut football is supposed to be entertainment for the masses!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:01 AM

Yebbut bollocks, I number of times I've heard Liverpool fans bemoaning the fact they haven't won a trophy for years beggars belief, and I'm not really a football fan.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:54 AM

Yebbut watching many a United game is akin to watching paint dry. And Mourinho has got cracking talent of the likes of Martial and Rashford who he can't seem to get the best out of. Mind you, if I were Klopp I'd be after Lingard with all that dough Liverpool's just amassed from the sale of Coutinho. And what about Pogba? Looks like a bloody waste of money to me!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:22 AM

You can have Pogba, I don't rate him at all, £90 million up the Swanee as far as I'm concerned. I don't think Rashford or Lingard will be on the market any time soon.

As for our moaning minnie of a manager I can't abide the man, he's like a petulant spoilt brat, but he does have a knack of winning trophies ............ something Liverpool haven't done for some time, just remind me when was it you last won the Premiership?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Vic Smith
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:35 AM

Can any football fan tell me where I can get a replica shirt for the national team of Mali?
I would also need to have the following letters for the player's name - T - I - M - B - U - K and a hge number 2 to go under them.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:41 AM

Here you go Vic.


Mali

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:44 AM

Try this one instead

Mali

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 11:01 AM

Steve, are you a gambling man. I'll put a pint on city to win.

I reckon it will be 3-1 or 4-1 City !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 11:09 AM

Ok.. try to convince a non believer there is a team in the West country worth supporting...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:02 PM

Well I'm buggered. Well done to Liverpool. I have to admit I'm surprised by the result and I'll not be able to watch the highlights as I'm creating a 4 course meal for 6 this evening.

Have a good gloat Steve, your team obviously deserve it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:10 PM

I know you didn't take up my offer of a bet Steve, but if we ever meet again I will buy you a pint for Liverpools win today.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:23 PM

Well what a match. I watched it all live on my phone. It was super-thrilling from start to finish, both sides going for it 100%, no defensive shite, no time-wasting, no parking the bus, amazing Anfield atmosphere. A brilliant match, the icing on the cake being City nearly grabbing it back after being a 4-1 down basket case with ten minutes to go. Even my toe nails are gone. I'm a shadow of me former self after watching that, I tell you. YES!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 01:27 PM

I very craftily avoided high-intensity kitchen activity this evening. I have a piece of brisket slow-cooking in the pot with porcini and veg, and I broke my golden rule by peeling the spuds before the game. I'm no fool.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:04 PM

Quite frankly, today's game will do down in the annals as one of the best matches of the Premier League era. The real winners were the fans of both teams who saw a scintillating match played with amazing skill and pace, and with positive sporting spirit. I'll be watching Youtubes of it 'til the day I die!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:05 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:36 AM

Hi Steve

First let me congratulate you on your pre-match " match of the Century" Comment.

It was my Wife's birthday yesterday and her sister who is home for Christmas took us out to a local pub for dinner. I was disappointed to hear this as I wanted to watch the match. However all worked out well as they put us in the snug where there is a a TV.

What a match !!! Two teams showing attacking football at it's best. Let me say now that the better team won, although it got a bit hairy near the end.

Raggy I disagree with you comments on Pogba. looking at the prices of players today he is not a poor bargain. Remember he has had a few interuptions which have affected his game but lately he has been running the games.

Steve being Steve of course had to be disingenuous with his remark about about " Watching paint dry". Admitted they are not up to Fergie standard, but they have been much more open and attacking recently, except in a couple of games when he " parked the Bus".

Oh and they are second in the league.

I will be watching them tonight on TV cos No 1 son is unable to get tickets.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 12:50 PM

Beautiful piece of purple prose in today's Guardian by Barney Ronay, writing about the match:

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain took the ball deep in Liverpool's half and played a snaking pass inside John Stones. As Stones turned to shield the ball he was bullocked out of the way with malevolent glee by Firmino, a player for whom pressing and closing down is not so much a chore as a hungrily devoured pleasure.

With Stones on his knees Firmino paused, looked up and produced a moment of startling delicacy, from sledgehammer to scalpel in a single shift of feet, lifting a lovingly dinked finish past Ederson as he rushed out. For a moment the ball seemed to hang dreamily under the lights, the air rushing out of the stadium, before falling in a gentle parabola and bouncing in off the post.

Anfield exploded with a huge gurgle of joy.

Same here!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:14 PM

PS Steve ........... you didn't remind me of the last time Liverpool won the Premiership

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 01:19 PM

Next season. Dead cert.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:31 PM

Been at a wildlife trust meeting this evening. Started to watch the United match at the start of the second half. Gave up after ten minutes. I have paint to watch drying. The atmosphere in the stadium is like that of a rather quiet morgue. Maybe it'll pick up.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:07 PM

Hi Steve

I just watched the whole match. Think you must have been at another one!!!

Granted the tempo was lower than Liverpools's But there is more than one way to win a game. Man U conceed far fewer goals and let's face it, we win more games. After all that is what the games is all about.

It was a little quiet at times tonight but it was pi**ing down and freezing cold. That kept the crowd quiet.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:54 PM

I suppose it was always going to be one-sided and that Man U might as well have conserved their energy for stiffer tasks. However, Mike, I'd put as my top priority playing unfailingly positive football aimed at scoring goals and giving thoroughly good entertainment to the millions of faithful supporters. I did see only two fairly short sections of the second half admittedly, but I saw quite a bit of Man U playing the time-ebbing midfield passing game with no ambition to push for goal, and you can hardly claim that Stoke's defence warranted those tactics when Man U have all that fire power. Bloody annoying.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:24 AM

Hi Raggy

" You can have Pogba, I don't rate him at all, £90 million up the Swanee as far as I'm concerned"

Just a little stat to show Pogba's worth to United.

Man U have not lost when Pogba has played They have not lost the last 35 times when Pogba has played.

Last night he completely dominated the game laying on the goals and made many fantastic long ball passes.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:32 AM

Acknowledged MikeL, as I stated earlier I'm not really a football fan, barely an armchair fan if the truth be known.

I just find that Pogba often seems disinterested in games, comes to life for a few minutes, seems disinterested again. He doesn't seem to work as hard as the other players more often than not.

I will defer to the greater knowledge of others.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:50 AM

He did earn his keep last night, I must admit!

Good luck if you get Sanchez, Mike. But, to me, a complete prima donna twat managing a complete prima donna twat doesn't look like a promising combination to me... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:52 AM

To many to mes there to me

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:54 AM

(Oh God, Stevie boy, don't mess with your too toos...)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 10:33 AM

New manager for Wales

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 11:17 AM

Can't think he's ready for that. I want to be wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 01:26 PM

We used to see Giggsy's family cars parked at Tesco's in Walkden. Apropos of nothing at all.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:23 PM

I wish him well, apart from when they play England or Ireland, but he has little experience. I'm not sure that despite his wide knowledge of the game he has what it takes, at the moment, to be an international manager.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:38 PM

hi Raggy

I understand your position on this. Pogba is a very unorthodox player.

He does at times appear to disappear for short spells. I think that some of it is because he has not been completely fit since his injury.

Just as he was getting fitter he got a ban for what I think was unfortunate.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:47 PM

Hi Steve

There is no doubt about Sancez's ability. I am concerned about his affect on his fellow players and the rest of the club.

Maybe Maurinho with his wide experience of dealing with world class players will be able to deal with him.

Besides it's not certain that he will come. United are all getting pi**sed off with his antics.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 02:54 PM

Hi Re Giggsy.

I think he will be OK. He has had a lot of football experience in various roles. His playing record stands up for itself and he has had some experience as Assistant Manager Under Van Gaal and some more when he was a caretaker when Fergie left.

There is talk that Paul Scholes will be part of his assistance team.

I hope he does well but he will have a difficult task.

Cheer

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 18 - 04:55 PM

Oi, bloody Nora! Norwich screw Chelsea in the last seconds of added time! Extra time to come! Go, Delia!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jan 18 - 05:55 PM

Ah, sod it. Chelsea win on a penalty shootout after having two players rightly sent off. That'll teach these big clubs that it's counterproductive to field weakened teams against what they mistakenly see as lesser opposition. Kudos, Canaries!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 03:51 AM

16/01/18 Cardiff City secure a Home match (28/01/18) against Manchester City, following an away win 4:1 over Mansfield (after only managing a draw at home)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 04:28 AM

We were on the edge of our seats (well, the sofa) all evening, and when Jamal Lewis scored nearly at full time, we could hear Ruth-over-the-road and her husband yelling in their front room! The Canaries played very well, solidly and steadily. But the behaviour of two of the Chelsea players (sent off) was awful. And the ref didn't appear to have a full grip on the match at all.
My husband was doing an African dance when Lewis scored. But penalties are a disappointing way to settle a match aren't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 05:50 AM

I thought the ref did quite well in the face of Chelsea's antics. The reds for Pedro and Morata were well deserved. I've watched that alleged Willian penalty about twenty times now and I think the ref was right not to give it. To me, Willian seemed to be trailing a leg in order to be deliberately caught, and he went down way too easily. Willian is a player I hugely admire but it looked to me like he was fishing for a penalty. Had it been given it would have been a soft one. Had that been Messi, Mane or Salah in the box they would have gone through hell and high water to stay on their feet and go for goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 01:56 PM

Everyone in our village was talking about the match this morning.
Poor little old Ellen (a tiny, very, very old lady) was miserable. She used to go to all their matches, home and away. Now she listens on Radio Norfolk, and if the Canaries win, she has a small glass of sherry. No tipple for her last night...

In spite of the strong winds and cold temperature, my husband wore his Norwich City football strip down to the village shop when he went out to get my paper. He was frozen when he got back, but he said he wanted to show solidarity!
(But the fickle thing has every football strip known to man, and wears them indiscriminately)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 02:42 PM

Hi

I watched the match and thought it an excellent and exciting game.

Norwich gave Chelsea a hug shock and in my opinion I thought that Norwich was the better side in which they were very organised at the back and extremely dangerous on the breaks.

I agreed with the penalty decisions. Norwich were unlucky when they struck the post and fully deserved the excellent late goal.

Pity about the penalty. I agree that it is not a good way to decide a match.....but I can't think of a better way.

I n rugby we tried a few ways to get a decider in the few games that ended in a draw. We had a " shootout" in that we played on until one side scored. Don't think this would work for football as it would become difficult to score as the teams packed their defences.

Well done Norwich.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 06:06 PM

Chelsea are going through a very sterile patch at the moment, very reminiscent of Liverpool this time last year - up to Christmas 2016 I thought the reds were going to win the league, then it all went pear-shaped. I like watching Chelsea, despite their Chelski tarnish. I'm disappointed with Conte this season. He needs to get a bit more discipline into his players. Would you keep picking divers? On top of that, he comes from my very favourite Italian town, Lecce in Puglia. Definitely go to Lecce before you die. The Florence of the South!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 12:53 PM

Anyway, Swansea-Liverpool tonight. I can watch it on Sky on me phone. A victory for the lads would put clear blue water between them and Spurs and Arsenal and strengthen their place in the top four. Don't see why not...

Don't expect bloody brexit posts between eight and ten.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 01:29 PM

On paper Liverpool should walk this one. 4-0 or 5-0 should be an achievable score. Watch Swansea confound the issue !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 03:35 PM

two not very good sides, if they learned to pass the ball well. it might be worth watching

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 04:21 PM

dear oh dear, what a turn up

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 04:55 PM

Ooops .......................

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 05:04 PM

The Swans got a soft goal then parked the bus. In their position I can't blame 'em, but it made for a bloody poor watch. There must have been about six chances that Liverpool would normally have put away. I must say, their goalie was brilliant. Ho hum.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 04:44 AM

liverpool lost and played in a mediocre manner if they could learn to pass more succesfully they might do better

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 05:15 AM

Their passing was under par last night both in pace and accuracy. If Liverpool haven't bagged a goal in the first ten minutes I start to worry. They've got to start at blistering pace, bag a goal or two and make the other team come out and take risks and subject themselves to Liverpool's counters, which are as dangerous as anybody's. They let the Swans get their feet under the table last night, get a soft goal then park the bus. I hate that kind football as it isn't giving the fans what they deserve, very negative, but with Swansea wallowing at the bottom and desperately needing the points (and the multimillions that staying up would mean), I can't blame them. That's capitalism for you!

Don't get me started on the twat Sanchez. Half a million a week? A bloody disgrace.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 06:27 AM

Hi Steve

I watched the match last night. Embarrassing to lose to the bottom club.

Your comments on the match pretty much agree with what I saw. Liverpool don't appear to have a Plan B.

I went to Turf Moor last Saturday when Man U Played Burnley, There was a good example of this there. United were completely wasting their time trying to beat the Burnley defensive tactics. So in the second half they pulled back and "Parked the Bus"" and scored with a breakaway goal. Call it ugly if you wish but they won a difficult match.

" Don't get me started on the twat Sanchez. Half a million a week? A bloody disgrace." Way of the Word today. It is an eye-watering amount but if he turns out to be the winner we think he is, it will pay for itself. I would then be a good investment.

I don't think it will enable them to catch City but next year we hope the the League will not be quite so one-sided.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 07:33 AM

He's a bit of a sulk, though, isn't he, Mike? You're really expecting a lot...

Packing your defence all night is a very negative tactic and is definitely against the sporting spirit. Several teams, including Chelsea, thwarted even Barcelona at their peak with that tactic, the Barca of Messi, Xavi and Iniesta. Jayz, it must be a damn good tactic if even that lot can't get through. It's a time-honoured tactic used by weaker teams in away legs. Of course, if you're a Chelsea, you always have the pace and talent to mount sudden counter-attacks when your opponent starts to get flustered with the tactic and take risks, as they did to deprive Liverpool of the title a couple of seasons ago. But Swansea don't have that. Once they'd bagged that goal they hardly ever even vaguely threatened. It was very tedious watching. They were time-wasting at throw-ins and one of their players walked off painfully slowly to waste time when he was subbed. Unless you're injured, you should be carded unless you jog off. Liverpool definitely lacked edge last night but we watched a game that no-one (bar the Swansea fans), including thousands of neutrals, could have been happy with.

And you can blame Burnley for using the tactic, but the past master is Jose!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 07:36 AM

Sorry, Mike, I see that I slightly misread your remarks on the Turf Moor match!

Always thought that t'Turf was a cold 'ole...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 02:41 PM

Hi Steve

" Always thought that t'Turf was a cold 'ole. "

I t certainly was the other night!! Cold wind blowing across the pitch right into the stand. Then as the wind eased a cold drizzly fog swamped the ground. United were playing in Grey strip. Difficult to see them on the far side.

The point I was trying to make about Maurinho is that he is a good tactician and can change the tactics during the game to get a result.

Remember that they have scored almost as many goals as Liverpool and conceded far fewer. And they are still the most watched team in British football!!!!!!!!.

Now of to 't pub to watch City.


Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jan 18 - 01:09 PM

arsenal chelsea who is going to win this?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Jan 18 - 02:46 PM

Hi

Arsenal won 2-1 in a very closely contested game.

Arsenal will now meet Manchester City a Wembley.

Chelsea manager Conte complaining bitterly about how Chelsea can't contest top teams because they can't buy top players.

He wasn't complaining previously when Chelsea out price every team in tha Premier League.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 01:14 PM

Hi Steve - watched Liverpool v West Brom last night.
Liverpool were very poor IMHO - especially the defence.
These games are always tricky for the top teams. As the opponents have nothing to lose. Some strange decisions especially when the use of the new filmed action was used.

Both managers criticised it.   

Man United managed to win at a canter at Yeovil. Sanchez looked good in his first game. I am expecting something more from United when he plays with the full team - we had 10 changes from the usual side.

A consolation for Liverpool will be that they will able to concentrate more on their League position.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Jan 18 - 04:23 PM

WBA Steve, WBA ................

I bet you have nightmares !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 02:31 PM

Hi

just going to sit down and watch Liverpool v Huddersfield.

Huddersfield are a difficult team to play.....as Man United found out some weeks ago when they beat us at Huddersfield.

Their Manager is an ex colleague and friend of Liverpool Manager Jurgen Clopp.

I will be interested in this game because we play Huddersfield shortly in the League, and we could also play them again if the beat Birmingham
in the replay of the recent draw.

Of course this will not be of any interest to Steve as they are no longer in this Competition.

I see Clopp is starting to moan about referees - he complained about how much ( little) the ref awarded for injury time in their recent game.

Of course we at Old Trafford are "experts" at this thanks to Alec Ferguson.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jan 18 - 05:54 PM

Liverpool did the same thing last season, though a couple of weeks earlier. It'll be a test of Klopp's mettle to get this quickly turned around. Giving Huddersfield a whack isn't a bad start. Good to see Liverpool increasing the distance from Arsenal. Swansea are becoming giant-killers!

Dunno whether refs add time on for these lengthy delays due to reviewing decisions. It stops the flow of what should be a flowing game, I know that much.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 09:09 AM

Hi Steve

Saw the Liverpool v Huddersfield game. Not a classic but " The Pool" got a deserved win. Huddersfield IMHO were very poor but you have to beat what-ever is against you.

I hope Huddersfield play as badly on Saturday when they play Man United. Mind you after last night's performance against Spurs United got blown away. I have not seen such a poor performance by United since Moyes went. We were lucky to get none.!!! Our defence that had gone for over six hours without conceding a goal and then we let one in after only 10 seconds!! Our performance was erratic and Spurs could and should have scored five or six." 'arry Kane "didn't have his shooting boots on.

There was a small consolation in that Chelsea got blasted 3-0 at home.
It's going to be interesting in the top six.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 09:13 AM

Spurs are now snapping at the heels of Liverpool and Chelsea thanks to your lot, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 10:14 AM

hi Steve

Sorry !!!! I wanted to help you out. Still that's life.!!!

I see you have spurs this week-end ?? Hope you help us.!!!!

To Raggy - with Pogba's performance last night it wasn't worth five Million never mind 85. He just wasn't in the game. Mourinho subbed him
and he (pogba) didn't look happy.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 18 - 03:36 PM

I fancy Liverpool to give Spurs a clumping at Anfield, but they'd better have a bloody good plan for Kane and Eriksen. They're lethal. It could be a goal-fest, as neither team seems to understand the concept of parking the bus!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Feb 18 - 09:21 AM

Hi Steve

I think it will be a wide open game and great to watch. I fancy a draw 2-2 I don't think Kane will miss chances like he did.

We didn't park the bus, more like a motor bike. We did create some chances but did take them. I think the second goal killed us. They were disorganised and lacking drive and initiative.

Good luck I will be watching.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Feb 18 - 07:27 PM

A routine, boring win for United. But the brave lads of Burnley, the archetypal hairy-arses, the team of me boyhood, never gave up against City. I thought Pep's tribute was wonderful:

Pep Guardiola has described Burnley as "the most British of teams" following the Clarets' 1-1 draw with Manchester City at Turf Moor on Saturday.

"Of course we are frustrated in terms of the result but the performance was outstanding against a Burnley side who are the most British of teams in terms of long balls and the way they play," Guardiola told Sky Sports News.

"But football is about goals. We needed to score the second, third and fourth when we had the chance. When you arrive in the last 15 minutes at Burnley 1-0, this is what can happen. I'm sad for the players because we played so well.

"What they have done this season, Burnley, is amazing. We controlled the game, but when we arrived in the last minutes at 1-0, there is danger."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 10:01 AM

Hi Steve

"A routine, boring win for United". I don't believe it was Man U's fault. And it wasn't boring for most of the crowd.

I don't think that there were any buses left in Huddersfield......they were all parked on the Huddersfield goal line.

It takes two teams to make a good game. Huddersfield did not want to play. Instead they decided to kick United's players all over the pitch....especially Sanchez. He was a marked man.....literally. They didn't have even one attempt on goal. If they continue to play like this they will go down.

The Ref had a poor game in allowing this to go unpunished.Especially one vicious foul on a young lad....and in the penalty area too.


Good luck for this afternoon, I will be watching,

THIS SHOULD BE A GREAT GAME.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 18 - 02:12 PM

Talk about a game of two halves. Just for once the cliche applies. Kane missing that first penalty was poetic justice. He dived. The second one was justified. It was all Liverpool in the first half. They were deadly except for the finish. But they went home at half-time. I do like Spurs though and I can't complain at honours even! Three cracking goals and a lot of edge-of-seat stuff. Great!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 09:17 AM

hi Steve

I agree with your view of the game. Great to watch. In the end a draw was a fair result even though how it happened was contraversial.

I have put Clopp down on the 100 meters in the next Olympics. He didn't half move down that touchline when Liverpool scored their second.

My forecast of the score was dead on.   !!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 10:31 AM

Have had another look/think about that second penalty in the cold light of YouTube. It shouldn't have been given. Lamela was fishing for it, running into Virgil's path. If there was any contact at all it was minimal and Virgil was trying to avoid it, and Lamela made a meal of it. Seems like Pochettino may have a second career as an Olympic diving coach, what with Kane, Alli and Lamela. No wonder he praised the officials for making perfect decisions. Jon Moss was very soft on Spurs in the first half too. His behaviour seemed quite unprofessional. And he didn't seem to understand the offside rule either.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 02:51 PM

Hi Steve

I agree that Lamela was looking for a penalty. But Virgil has been around long enough to spot this. I recorded the game and have viewed the incident in very slow motion. IMHO there is no doubt that he touched Lamela but I don't know what kind of touch makes the difference between being a penalty or not. Most players know about this and try to avoid any kind of contact in the area.

An example of the confusion is shown if you look at United's game against Huddersfield when a young player was completely flattened as he was charged by a defender the back in the area. He was felled by a two footed charge off the ground; This wasn't so much of tackle as an assault. No penalty was given. It strikes me that even the the referees don't know.

As for diving, it is cheating and the refs must get a grip of it. It is rife; most players do it.

It was never done before the European Leagues. These brought players of many different nationalities, many of whom were divers.

I can only recall one British player who dived - that was Franni Lee of Man City.

I think that diving should be an immediate red card not just a yellow and a kind word from the ref.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 06:22 PM

Nah then, Mike, surely you remember one of the great moments in all footie, the punch-up between Franny and Bite-Yer-Legs. Those were the days when men were men and so were half the women. We're in prima donna territory these days. When you dived in those days on those pitches you'd go in at half-time with five pounds of mud sticking to your front and another pound wrapped round the family jewels. I admit that Liverpool had the diver among divers, bite-yer-ear-off Suarez (come back, Luis, all is forgiven!), and Stevie wasn't exactly Mr Innocent. I agree. Send the bugger off, as long as you're sure. Alli was blatant, Kane not quite 100%. Red, yellow. The draw was the ultimate fair result, but who wants fair in footie!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Feb 18 - 06:26 PM

But Chelski stuffed! Come on, Mike, what's not to like!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 02:38 PM

Hi Steve

" Those were the days my friend ............."

Jackie Charlton and Norman Hunter.....we had nNobbie Stiles.

I play in a Sunday League ( after playing Rugby On the Saturday.)

I had been kicked on the knee and had a couple of stitches in a cut.
Before the game Nobbie came to watch. He saw my bandaged knee. He told me not to wear the bandage over the wound but to put it on the other leg !!! Said the buggers will go for that one and leave the other alone. Worked too.

Liverpool's Tommy Smith was a great player " with a cutting edge".

There were many "kickers " in those days,

Yes Chelsea seem to be on an cliff-hanging edge. Will they go.....I hope so. Sure you will too.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Feb 18 - 07:11 PM

And this is the one day in the calendar on which even Liverpool supporters stop hating Manchester United. I salute you, Babes.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Feb 18 - 06:09 PM

Anyway, Mike, cheese aside, it's Spurs-Arsenal tomorrow dinner time and it's on BT Sport. A boring draw would suit Liverpool just fine. Then Liverpool need three points against the Saints on Sunday, Sky Sport. That'll go a very long way...

Mrs Steve buys me my five quid a month sub to Sky Sports Mobile and (currently) my £3.50 a month sub to BT Sport Mobile for me joint birthday and Christmas pressies. So I can watch all the big Premier League games live and every Champions League game! Keeps me off the street...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 10:10 AM

Sod it. The Spurs result was the worst outcome for Liverpool. They need a big win tomorrow. Goal diff could be a big factor this season. The top few are all very close in that regard.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Feb 18 - 10:10 AM

Hi Steve

Just finished watching Spurs v Arsenal. Quite a good open game to watch. I think Spurs just about deserved their 1-0 win. Like you I wanted a draw and if Lacasette (sic) hadn't missed a complete sitter right at the end.

Harry Kane scored his usual goal and Spurs created several more chances.

Arsenal looked wide open a the back and in my opinion were lucky to get away so lightly.

I will be watching City later on. Leicester are a team that could cause a surprise. (fingers crossed ).

I watch on BT Sport and Sky Sport on my TV.

My son has given me a dongle that streams life sports, but I haven't needed to use it yet. In truth I have my doubts about it.

I will be watching Both United and Liverpool tomorrow.

Just watching Ireland massacre Italy......I know there is a separate thread but I want to get something done and don't have the time

Cheers

Mike

Ps Cheese and wine went down well.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 08:39 PM

Well, Mike, today went well! Liverpool win at a canter, after having to travel south today instead of last night due to a plane glitch. Man U lost their way against a hearty and passionate hairy-arse team, and if things carry on this way it'll be Liverpool second.

Now for Porto. Roll on Wednesday!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:16 PM

I have taken a liking to football or as we Yankees say soccer.. My team liverpool.. Oh yeah

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 11 Feb 18 - 11:21 PM

Why the hell can't they wrap up emre can contract.. Last I heard it still was open ugh

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 10:03 AM

I know. The trouble is I think he wants to go to Juventus. And unless he does a deal with Liverpool he can go on a free transfer at the end of the season. If Juve don't have to pay for him they can use the money saved to pay him big money. He's playing hard to get. He must be on good money at Liverpool and he gets picked regularly so you might have thought he'd be happy. I reckon it's about money, not football. Sign of the times.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM

Hi Dan

Long time no hear eh. Hope you are well.

I love you Dan but Liverpool !!!!! I am Manchester United so that makes us enemies right away....lol.

I t is going to get fierce as we are 2nd in the League and Liverpool are third.

At the moment Liverpool are playing better than us but we will get going again.

Great to hear from you again old buddy

Kind regards from this side of the pond.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

Hi Steve

I thought I might see you after yesterday.s games.

You are quite in order to be laughing ( as you no doubt you are.)

I watched both games and I have say that Liverpool
are looking very very much like a danger to us.

We were pathetic. There did not seem to be any organisation at all. This is unlike Mourinnho teams. The defence was all over the place - strange as we have the second best defensive record in the league.

The centre backs played as though they had never met; these guys are England Internationals though it is difficult to see how.

Especially Smalling who was lucky to get away with a penalty and then for some mad reason, he performs the most obvious dive I have ever seen. It was like a pig falling of a ladder. And to rub in the salt Newcastle scored from the resulting free kick.

Having said all that we managed to miss at least 4 " dollies" . The Newcastle keeper play out of his skin preventing us scoring. It was his first game !!!

Looks like being a rare fight for the top places. We can't play that bad again..........can we.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 03:53 PM

Lol good one Mike but I gotta go with the liverpool team

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 05:48 PM

You are a wise man of exquisite good taste, Dan!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 02:26 PM

Hi Dan

When you gotta go you gotta go. But Liverpool..???

Seriously I am pleased to hear that you are interested in our game and in supporting Liverpool you have chosen well.

Regards Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 03:52 PM

Maybe Dan has chosen well MikeL but for crying out loud Steve is a Mancunian, supporting Liverpool for him is tantamount to high treason.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 04:53 PM

I ask you, Raggytash, is Radcliffe "Mancunian?"

Damned fine show from Spurs tonight, wot I have just finished watching. I thought they were going to be toast after that first ten minutes. Instead, they have two away goals against Juve. What's not to like!

Now for Porto tomorrow night...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 06:23 AM

Hi Raggy

Steve is anything he feels he wants to be .....lol When I was young Radcliffe was certainly in Manchester,....now I have no Idea where it is; but it sure as hell is not in Liverpool.

I think Steve may be like my Sister -in-law. She supports Liverpool just to be able to argue with us....!!!

I will be watching Liverpool tonight. and what's more I will be shouting for them. Last night I was shouting for Man City. I want all English teams to do well in Europe.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 01:35 PM

I left Radcliffe when I was 18, though my mum and dad are both soldiering on up there, miraculously! I hardly ever went to Manchester, except to catch a bus from Victoria or a train from Piccadilly, and I wouldn't be able to find my way round the place at all. We did all our shopping in Bury or Bolton and I went to school in Bolton, at Thornleigh. I don't associate myself with Manchester at all. I'm freelance!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 04:53 PM

I will not gloat. Porto 0 Liverpool 5.


Sod it.


GloatgloatgloatgloatgloatgloatgloatgloatGLOATGLOATBLOODYGLOAT...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 09:11 PM

Dammit, it weren't Victoria, were it. That's where the metro goes to from Bury. It were Chorlton Street where t'buses to London went from. Tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 10:32 PM

Yup sorry but I did love that liverpool score
5 is a good number :)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 10:44 PM

Mo has a cannon for a foot.. He has 30 or so goals already this season.. Amazing

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 11:08 AM

Hi Steve

Congrats on fine win. Mo must be one of the best signings ever. This guy sniffs out chances and usually takes them. Also creates goals as well. He possesses that amazing change of pace - his speed off the mark makes it very difficult to stop him.

Sane had a great game too.

I watched the game and to be honest it was a one way game which takes away the interest. But Hey Liverpool can only play what is put against them.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 03:25 PM

What is your thoughts on the potential signing of Alisson by liverpool.. That is one hell of a lot of money... He is great but to me it breaks the bank. What will our star players want and can we keep them if they pay that price

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 04:24 PM

I have to concede that Liverpool were magnificent last night, all credit to them for a wonderful display.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:07 AM

Mignolet's days are numbered. Karius has stepped up to the plate but Klopp wants to strengthen all aspects of the back end, if you take my meaning. Virgil is looking commanding but he isn't yet up to speed, either in terms of fitting the Klopp philosophy or getting over his spate of injuries, but I reckon he's going to be the darling of Anfield (one of!) As for Alisson, I don't think Liverpool need to be spending £70 million on a goalkeeper just now and I don't think Klopp does either. The trouble is that Roma felt stung by giving Salah to Liverpool for what turned out to be a bargain-basement price and they won't be inclined to repeat that exercise with Alisson.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 09:39 AM

Steve.. I agree completely

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 09:46 AM

Well it's the FA Cup 5th round this weekend, Manchester United away to Huddersfield .............. who are Liverpool playing?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:47 PM

Sounds boring...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 05:10 AM

Lukaku's display yesterday against Huddersfield was superb, apart from his two goals he worked tirelessly for the team.

This, I believe, sets him apart from Pogba who I consider to be lazy, indolent and uninterested in the outcome of matches.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 06:30 AM

Hi Raggy

I agree with your comments. This was not a boring game !!! After Lucacu's first goal after only 3 minutes it was a game of 2 halves it was end to end with Huddersfield looking dangerous and had a couple o good chances that they did not take. Mouinho's plan was obviously to let Huddersfield come to them and hit them on the counter-attack. It worked well and in the second half after Lucacu's excellent second goal, assisted by a brilliant run and pass by Sanchez they were on top and stayed that way. Job Done.

Lots of time spent over Mata's "Goal" that turned out after 8.5 minutes being taken for VAR to decide. to have been offside. This must be improved.

As for Pogba, You are right he is not delivering. I think the latest issues are since Sanchez joined. Pogba is now not " top Boy" and doesn't like it. There is no doubt he his a great player but only on his terms. Alex Ferguson got rid of him because "of his attitude" and in the current situation if Fergie was there I have no doubt Pogba would be told to shut up and get on with it. Or he would be up the road. Fergie also had some problems with David Beckham and he sat him on the bench for several matches. He also cleared out Jap Stamm and Roy Keane two of his best players.

It will be interesting to watch how Mourinho deals with it. No Man is bigger than the team.

Lots not to be bored about Steve.....LoL

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:42 AM

Except that United should have won 8-0.

The goal should have been given. Any ref/linesperson giving that without VAR would have attracted no comment whatsoever. The attacker must always have the benefit of the doubt in very close calls. They'll be telling us next that someone or other wouldn't have been offside if only he'd trimmed his nose hair before the game. If we really must have this kind of tech we should reserve it for judging whether the ball has gone over the line or not. And not a wavy line either! Yes there's big money in the game and a wrong offside call can cost a club millions. I don't give a monkeys. Football is a flowing game played and refereed by human beings. That's the way it should stay.

I'd like to see a clampdown on players stealing ten yards or more at throw-ins. I'd also like to see a five-second limit on how long the thrower can hold the ball. Award the throw to the other side. And the time limit on goalkeepers is routinely not observed. Goalies are allowed to hold the ball, including bouncing it, etc., for six seconds only and are allowed to take only four steps. I'd like to see that penalised by the award of a corner kick. We're getting good on unsporting behaviour such as diving. Time-wasting, just as unsporting, is no longer the ploy it used to be but there is still scope to make the game even better at what it should be, free-flowing and a celebration of skill and tactics. One more thing. No subs allowed after the 80th minute except for an injury after which the victim clearly can't carry on (to not include play-actors - ref's call). There isn't a single reason on earth for making multiple subs during added time. Bloody annoying and bloody unsporting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:56 AM

The VAR in Rugby Union is normally far quicker than the debacle at Huddersfield yesterday, it may possibly take time for Football to get up to speed.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 09:41 AM

Hi Raggy

Or they could use the Rugby League method which is fast and shows the spectators what the cameras are seeing so they are not hanging in total
ignorance of what is going on.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 09:52 AM

Hi Steve

Thanks for your thoughts on improving the game. I agree with most of your comments. ( but not the 8-0 one !!!)

I know that football is a contact sport but we should cut all the arm wrestling and shirt pulling and bring back the shoulder to shoulder limitation on contact. Late I see more rugby tackles than at Twickenham.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 10:34 AM

Agreed. They are already illegal, as with goalkeepers' and throw-in transgressions. I suppose there's a balance between keeping the rules and keeping the game moving and that *minor* transgressions can be overlooked as long as the ref is seen to be balancing things out over the game as a whole. In the Liverpool-Spurs game I saw three blatant fouls on Liverpool players within a few minutes of each other go unpunished in the first half (so did Klopp, who commented on them). Then the ref gives Spurs two soft penalties, arguably not penalties at all. Yeah, right...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:53 AM

We were outside Carrow Road stadium in Norwich walking across to the supermarket there, when an enormous ROAR went up. Tim Klose (Norwich City) had equalised against Ipswich Town in the last few seconds of extra time! Final score 1 - 1.

We smiled because scores of Police attended, and they had nothing to do, so many of them came into the supermarket to get a snack. Nice to see all the fans coming out calmly (obviously the odd taunts etc, but nothing dire) and with no trouble, in spite of these two teams being old enemies. I think the Police were bored stiff, but that's better than fights.
My husband was sad, as he'd chosen to wear his thick jacket not his Norwich City strip, but at least he was sporting his woolly Norwich City hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:57 PM

I have seen more cheap shots and shirt pulling this year by every team without penalty.. No great at all they got to fix it

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 04:49 PM

Eh up!!!!

Wigan beat Manchester City, what a result !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 07:07 PM

Delph played dirty in the first half. I know that that shouldn't influence the giving of a straight red but in any case I though that the tackle richly deserved it. The ref's indecision was a very disturbing moment. He should explain himself really. Wigan gave us the best display of serial shot-blocking I've ever seen towards the end. Spectacular! Do City need a sheikh-up?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

Hi

The games this week have been crackers . Wigan v Man City kept me entertained right through the game. I thought the sending off correct. I think the ref changed from Yellow to Red because of remarks and behaviour by City players. But the ref needs to confirm this. When Will Grigg scored I nearly knocked my pint over. Great game and result for football.

Watched Chelsea v Barcelona - Again a good match to watch. Barcelona were lucky when the Chelsea defence made a mistake letting in Messie to score. Otherwise Messie was quiet. That away goal may end up priceless for Barcelona.

Booked my seat for United's game tonight with Seville. Hope this keeps up the standard of the earlier games.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 02:13 PM

Chelsea did show guts last night but you can't give that deadly duo a single inch. I'd have Willian in my team any day. Hope the poor chap's face is all right after all that blood streaming from it. Now for Man U getting a thrashing from Seville. Naturally, I didn't want Sevilla to get the better of Liverpool, but, as an Indalophile (a lover of Andalucia), I'd love to see them giving the reds a slap tonight. That's balance, you see. I'll be watching!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:46 PM

How bloody BORING was that. It was clear after fifteen minutes that there was going to be no score. Saw better games at t'Gigg in the sixties when Bury were in Division 2. Totally uninspiring. Ok, job done, but where was the fun? Where was the entertainment? Lukaku shite, Pogba anonymous, Sanchez shite. Fer chrissake. If I were a Man U fan (heaven forfend - I'd rather hack off the family jewels with a rusty machete), I'd be questioning my own sanity right now. I hope Sevilla can find that edge they so sorely lacked tonight when they come to the Theatre of Dreams. The world would be a better place without Man U. And I'm not biased, honest!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:14 AM

Hi Steve

Well we managed to do something Liverpool could,t !!! Sevilla are well known as a difficult team to beat on their own ground.

Football these days is no for fun. You of all people should know that.

Mourinho had obviously set up a team to get a result and they achieved that. Admitted it wasn't pretty. But like you say job done.

It was a World class performance by David de Gea. I don't think that Lucacu or Sanchez deserve you criticism. I agree with your Pogba comment. He came off the bench and clearly did not want to play. At one point he was laughing and discussing his hair do with one of the opposition as they were taking a corner. I thing his days are numbered. Most United fans hope this can be soon.

I also watched Liverpool v Man United under 19s in the afternoon. Liverpool won 2-0 in a good game. The interesting thing to me was that Liverpool played with the same tactics as the first team. Fast moving attacking play with strong defensive tactics.....very interesting.

Cheers

Mike

Ps please don't harm the crown jewels.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:26 AM

Well Liverpool drew twice and put five last their goalie so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, Mike. And if football isn't for the entertainment of supporters, well I don't know what. Last night's game was played by two very uninspiring sides, United without firepower and Sevilla scared stiff of conceding an away goal. It wasn't exactly a joy to watch, was it?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:41 AM

This was one comment (out of nearly a thousand) on the Guardian website under the match report. I couldn't agree more. Man U are wasting some amazing talent under Mourino. The best thing long-term would be for Man U to win nothing this season then they could get rid of him.

Juan Mata was fantastic at Chelsea, player of the season a few times. Pogba was one of world football most desired midfielders at Juve. Sanchez world class at times at Arsenal. Martial and Rashford 2 of the games most promising young talents, full of pace.
Only Mourinho could blend all this talent and pace into dull negative pedestrian dross.
No excuses about budgets or recruitment policy. He has turned excellent attacking players into a defensive unit totally devoid of any confidence.
United were truly terrible last night. You can dress it up anyway you want but they were awful. Spurs Liverpool and man city also played away games last week and the difference is staggering. Forward thinking managers who play football to get results but also entertain the masses.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:42 AM

Yes I can spell Mourinho!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

Hi Steve

I was referring to the game where Liverpool lost 0-3 to Seville.

I agree with some of your comments. I do not like the style of football that Mourinho is using this season. In fact no manager since Fergie has got United to play the way they did. In fairness to Mourinho he inherited a poor side. Moyes and Van Gaal were responsible for turning a League winning side into a very ordinary team.

However I believe that the modern day fans want results. They don't care how they get them.

I believe it is the younger fans that have this attitude and they are not prepared to wait and let the Managers do their jobs.

You should appreciate this as Liverpool have gone through a similar process.

They look as though they are through the drought and are building a team to take on the best in Europe and The World.

It annoys me to see United playing as they are but I have to hope that someone will see sense and has the necessary skills and experience to change it all.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:18 PM

Well it won't be Mourinho, that's for sure. And I think you're looking at Fergie's tenure, especially in the later years, through rose-coloured specs. "Winning ugly" was a well-known Man U mantra under him. I'd ten times rather watch Liverpool's amazing firepower, coupled with dodgy defence and goalie, keeping me on the edge of me seat. Can't remember the last time United raised a bead of sweat on me brow.

I assume you are referring to the Europa League final two years ago. The score was 1-3, not 0-3. Both Liverpool and Sevilla are now very different teams.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:03 AM

Hi Steve

Yes you are right it was 3-1; apologies.

United under Fergie at their best were a very attractive and exciting team to watch. Especially in injury time !! ( Fergie Time)

I rember when they played ( I think it was) Aston Villa at Villa. They were losing heavily and finished winning 6-4.

A Pundit asked Fergie about his defence weakness. Fergie replied " I am not worried about it. We have the team to beat any team regardless how many they score.

One of today's problems IMHO is that we have too many of Fergies team not only still on the books but playing regularly. We need new blood and a fresh Philosophy.

But to me and thousands like me will still remain faithful to The Red Devils.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:13 AM

Flippin, 'eck, Mike, the only time there was a 4-6 scoreline between Villa and United was in 1948! I wasn't even a twinkle in me dad's eye then!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 02:55 PM

Hi Steve

Heck Steve you are just a young whippersnapper. I actually remember that game. Of course this was way before Fergie.

In those days my dad used watch all United's games. This was before sports came to TV.    On a Saturday evening my brother and I sat and listened to the football results on the radio with my mother.She used to make our teas but she never started to cook my dad's tea until she heard how United had gone on. If they hadn't won she didn't cook it because he used to go in the pub if they lost. We never saw him until we got up on Sunday mornings.

Tough times in those days.

United play Chelsea this week - the Pundits have forecast a 1-1 draw.

That would be a good result for you.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:09 PM

Me dad worked at Pendleton Burtons, then at the Stretford Road branch, where he was the shop manager. Every Saturday night he'd bring the Football Pink home. It never ceased to amaze me that we'd get match reports for both City and United within three-quarters of an hour of the final whistle. The front page alternated between the two! There were two reporters, one being the estimable David Meek and the other whose name I can't recall, who did the reports. The paper was pretty rough and ready to say the least, and there were always a few errors. My favourite was "...and then Charlton shit hard into the back of the net..."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:44 AM

Hi Steve

I remember the " Pink". For a period I used to deliver Daily papers and part of that was delivering the Pink on a Saturday evening. It was so popular that I used to take two bags....one for delivering to houses that ordered it and the other was for people who would stop me and ask for a copy. I didn't mind cos I got quite a few tips.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:08 PM

Another three added to our goal difference, Mike! The game wasn't on telly anywhere, and anyway I had to spend the afternoon spreading tons of gravel on my drive. But I'll be watching the Man U/Chelsea game...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:25 AM

Hi Steve

Yes Liverpool continue their march to the top. They have added consistency to their performances which has let them down on occasions.

I watched it on a streaming device of my No 1 son. This performance was exciting and every man in the side played his part. Outstanding for me was Full Back Robertson who was fantastic. He plays like an attacking wing forward driving forward with pace and feeds his 3 hungry strikers. He still manages to defend when required.

Oxade Chamberlain looked good and is now slotting in seamlessly into the Liverpool team.

I think it is amazing how they are playing; especially since they lost their "main man" . I think they are playing even better without him.

I am going into today's game United v Chelsea with trepidation , there is trouble in the camp and it looks to me like the problems Chelsea had with Mourinho.

Fingers Crossed.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:38 AM

Hi Mike. I couldn't find the match anywhere - is your streaming solution cloak-and-dagger or are you going to tell me about it!? ;-). Anyway, I had to get into the garden and spread a ton or two of gravel on me drive. Mrs Steve would NOT have appreciated my postponing the task to watch footie on the telly, leaving a big ugly bulk bag in full view from the house for yet another day. Saw the highlights on MOTD and Liverpool were looking good. Robertson looks like the find of the season, apart from Mo, of course. Virgil doesn't do the spectacular but his commanding presence seems to be settling the defence, and Bobby Firmino has become a real team man. I'll be watching on Sky this afternoon. Naturally, I'll be hoping for a draw. Make it exciting as you like as long as it's a draw! I like the way Liverpool are opening up a good goal difference advantage over some of the top-four challengers. Could come in handy at the bitter end...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:18 AM

Steve, There's an APP named Mobdro which you can get for androids etc. If you download it you can access dozens of channels, news, sports, film etc etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 11:32 AM

Lukaku paid the rent, Pogba looked like he was worth ten million, Sanchez was complete rubbish and Matic is a dirty bugger. Job done. Yawn. Second best of the three possible outcomes for Liverpool!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:24 PM

Now I'm being bored by the League Cup Final.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 02:05 PM

Wenger has to go. That was terrible to watch.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 02:10 PM

I am surprised that people invariably blame the manager, ultimately he is not on the pitch.

There are 11 plus, highly skilled (and highly paid) footballers who are there to play a game.

If THEY are not up to it, it should be THEY that carry the can.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 03:30 PM

Yebbut he bought 'em, he picked 'em, he trained 'em, he tacticked 'em, he judged whether they were a good fit - and he's been there for twenty-odd years! He's a professional second-best!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 03:49 PM

i can't understand the constant criticism that arsene wenger gets. arsenal, top 4/5 for ever, a few cups and he's produced 3/4 top sides that (when on form) has played the best football in england. he should go when he wants to.
many of us don't support the top english clubs (partick thistle, west ham) (football is a weird sort of sweet suffering with these 2) and are more than happy with much more modest and occasional success. i'm much happier going to see the jags fighting relegation (for £15) again than going to a bigger club where winning is just routine and expected. you glory hunters are just greedy and missing out on many of the small pleasures the game provides.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:41 PM

Well I know what you mean, Pete, but I can't agree that Arsenal have been playing great football, not for quite some time now. The problem with them is that they used to, and we all fondly remember it, but these days they are just too gutless and abject. Dammit, there's too much money in it, etc., but the best players get on that pitch and forget that they're getting a hundred thousand and they play with that brilliant schoolboy competitive spirit. I don't think the standard has ever been higher. At its best it's great to watch, and my totally, utterly unbiased view is that Liverpool are the epitome of that perfect combination of on-show skill and entertainment. As ever, Man U fans will deludedly beg to differ...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:52 PM

I should add that I was brought up in the sixties watching Bury at Gigg Lane, only occasionally being treated to a big match at Old Trafford, Ewood Park or Turf Moor. I'm right with you on hairy-arse footie. It can be the best of the lot. Best match I ever saw was Bury vs Rotherham. It cost me a tanner to get in and I saw Alf Barlow and Len Fairclough out of Coronation Street there.

Mind you, google Burnley vs Sheffield Wed, FA Cup, on March 7 1961. I was there. It changed my life...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 05:30 AM

Hi Steve

Obviously I see United v Chelsea game differently to you. For this game I thought United played the right game to see off a strong Chelsea side. Yes we had a bit of luck - but that is part of the game.
They started slowly when Chelsea could and should have won it.

They ccored first whi woke United up and they gradually improved and they completelt blocked out Chelsea's midfield. Lucaku had his best game for United and the underrated Lingard finished Chelsea off.

Not a classic by any means but United got what they wanted.
Unfortunately I was unable to have a few as I have just had surgery and have been told no alcohol until the stitches come out on Thursday.

Sorry I can't help you with the Streaming thingy. My son got it in Holland where he is working these days. He has a dongle thing ( note my grasp of things technical ). My grandson has it at the moment and came and did the necessary.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 06:05 AM

MikeL, download the App Mobdro onto your tablet or android if you own such a thing. Once installed you can watch dozens of channels, sport, news, films etc FOC. We have a dongle on the TV which picks up the wireless signal so we can watch on the TV screen.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 02:13 PM

Hi Raggy

Thanks for the heads up.

I don't have an Android device. I have three laptops, none of which I don't think are Android. My grandson connects his dongle direct to my TV.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Feb 18 - 05:00 PM

An Android can be picked up for about £100, a lot less than signing up for Sky for a year!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 06:37 AM

An explosion last week killed a wild-living navy boiler man and he found himself in hell. Being used to stoking fires and extremely hot temperatures, he found hell actually quite comfortable.

When Satan went to check out the new arrival, he found him sitting in his room smiling.

“You like this?” Satan asked.

“Yes, sir,” said the sailor, “this feels like a spring day to me.”

Not wanting the new guy to be too comfortable, Satan turned up the heat a bit. When he went back the next day to see how his new arrival was doing, the sailor was still happy; he hadn’t even broken a sweat.

“I like this kind of weather,” he told Satan.

For the next few days, Satan turned up the heat more and more, but each day the Sailor looked as comfortable as ever. By Sunday, Satan decided to try something different. Rather than turn up the heat even more, he turned it off and turned on the air conditioning. Icicles formed in the sailor’s room! When he checked on the guy, the room was icy and he was shivering, but he had a grin from ear to ear, bigger than ever.

Satan was exasperated! “Why are YOU so happy?” he demanded from the sailor. “It’s FREEZING in here!”

“Well, I’m from Liverpool,” said the sailor, “and evidently they have just won the Premiership!"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 07:07 AM

That joke might go down better at the end of NEXT season...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Feb 18 - 02:29 PM

Hi Raggy

I already have BT Sport on my TV and my son has installed Sky- Go for free.

Inreality I don't need anything else.

Thanks for your advice, I have filed it away in case I need it.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 06:48 AM

Hi Steve

Watched Liverpool v Newcastle.
Not exactly a thriller.

Liverpool compared to their recent form were poor. They started very well but Newcastle created a grip on them that they found difficult to pierce, They did score two goals but there was an element of luck in both of them.

They were never in danger of losing but were pleased to win.



But as I have been saying three points is what you are playing for and sometimes you have the win by playing ugly.

I hope we do the same on Monday when we play Crystal Palace.

I like this time of the season when all games are important for teams at the top and teams at the bottom trying to avoid relegation.

Going to be a tough fight for the top four with with Man City having taken top place. On current performance Spurs and Liverpool will take two places, leaving Man United to compete with Chelsea for the fourth place.

I could'nt help but laugh at Clopp's reaction right at the end to the " penalty" that was turned down. I thought for a minute I was watching Swan Lake.
Cheers
Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 07:24 AM

Well it was a cast-iron free kick right at the edge of the box. Newcastle parked at least two buses all afternoon, even when they were losing, no doubt hoping for a chance to counter that they repeatedly showed they were too weak to execute. They managed to force Liverpool to play across the park for much of the time, making for a tedious watch as you say, but it speaks volumes for Liverpool's firepower that they broke through a number of times and got two goals. In the past they've often been frustrated by that tactic, most famously by Mourinho in his Chelsea days, but no team will be able to rely on that approach with Liverpool in future. A couple of long balls up to Salah is enough to get any defence panicking and going out of shape, and we have some damn good long passers. You're being a bit of an ould curmudgeon about the second goal, which was a world-class team goal. Great to see Hendo back on form, and Virgil is a commanding presence who has settled the defence no end.

It's a complete arse thst family matters are going to prevent me from watching the match next Saturday. I blame the Beast From The East for forcing us to put back our plans by a week. Grr.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 08:41 AM

Hi Steve

You are right about Sallah he is something special. Yesterday vaery early in the game he hit a volley on the turn when running at full pace. It hit the side netting but was worth a goal in itself.

Sorry to hear you won't be able to watch. I am hoping No 1 son will have ticket for me. He takes me whenever he can. His company have three season tickets but they are often taken by his friends ( one is a City fan ) No one will want to miss this one so it looks as if I will be watching at home.

Should be a great game. We would like to see United tale Liverpool on at their own gain. but I suspect his defensive attitude will not allow it,

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 10:35 AM

Hi
Sorry

that last sentence should have said We would like to see United take Liverpool on at their own game. but I suspect his defensive attitude will not allow it.

Cheers

Mike

PS Just watched Brighton beat Arsenal 2-1. I think this will be the end of Wenger. Sad really - he's been a great manager.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 01:56 PM

I always supported Hamilton Accademicals. Just so I could do the chant

2 4 6 8 Who do we appreciated

H-A-M-I....

Oh, sod it.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 03:29 PM

It was the same for the cheerleader of Borussia Munchengladbach, the most unpopular bloke in the stadium:

"Give me a B...!"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Mar 18 - 03:33 PM

Or give me an I

give me a n

give me a v

give me a e

give me a r

oh f*** it!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 06:49 AM

Hi

I watched the farce of a so called football match between Man City and Chelsea.

What a joke as Chelsea parked the bus and sat in it for the whole game.

City treated the ploy by playing keep ball for almost the whole game. I don't blame City. It was up to Chelsea to try to attack. What a shambles to see the likes of Hazard and Willian etc to be stranded inside their own penalty area.

We play tonight and expect Roy Hodgson to try to do the same.....but he really ne3eds the points

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 18 - 08:08 AM

For the sake of Liverpool I hope he gets 'em! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Mar 18 - 06:50 AM

Hi Steve United managed to pull off a late victory. Shades of Fergie ??

It was quite a good game to watch . Crystal Palace dominated in the first half and blotted United out while they created chances on the breakaways. They scored a good goal and minutes into the second half doubled their lead. From this United got the kick up the a..e they needed. Some clever substitutions by Mourinho seemed to wake them up. Removing defensive players for attackers. Rashford and Mata created havoc in the CP defence. Goals just had to come and they did. Matic's wonderful strike from 25 yards in injury time saw United home.
Everyone took a huge sigh of relief.

That's one good thing about United. They have power on the bench to bring on if necessary. Sancez and Pogba were almost invisible - not what you'd expect from such expensive players. They have'nt yet to find a way ti fit Sanchez in and clearly Pogba is not enjoying where
where he has to play.

Still, at the end of the day we are still in 2nd place.

Now we will see what Sa turday brings. If we play like we did last night Liverpool will be out of sight by half time !!

Cheers
Mike

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 09:50 AM

Hi Steve

YES YES YES !!

In a feisty physical game. United just about held on for a deserved victory.

The Liverpool defence showed it's soft centre as United took a 2-nil lead early on. Liverpool pressed hard but did not really manage to pierce the United defence. Their goal came from a freak own goal.

I think Liverpool expected United to park the bus, but were surprised as they threatened to score a precious third goal which would have decided the game. As it was, the score was 2-1

Rashfords's two goal were excellent but The Pool should have stopped at least one if not both.

Nothing was seen from Salah who has been so prolific such was the performance of the United defence.

It was a good game to watch with lots of excitement from both teams.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 10:17 AM

Clear water between the teams ............ and I dread to consider what may have been said had Liverpool prevailed !

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Mar 18 - 11:02 AM

Hi Raggy

Yes I know what you mean. !!

Just seen Clop interviewed; I think he must have been at a different game.

Cheers
Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 18 - 08:20 AM

I've almost completely missed out on this one. I was in the Coffee Sack on Scholes Lane in Prestwich during most of the match and caught the last frantic three minutes only, sitting in me car outside Prestwich M&S Food. Then I missed MOTD because I was driving home in the late evening. Sounds like Liverpool missed me!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 06:28 AM

Hi Steve

Sounds like you had an interesting afternoon ?

The last three minutes were hectic for United but they just held out.


United played much better without Pogba. Sanchez was much improved. I think Pogba is headed for the door. He has been told if he doesn't
like it he can go. He is not a happy bunny. Still he can spend his spare time counting his money !!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 07:37 AM

Man U have a habit of appointing managers who can't help falling out with the best players, then failing to get the best out of them or driving them away. Keane, Cantona, Nistelrooy, Beckham, Di Maria, Valdez, Veron, Pogba...

Sure, no player is bigger than the club. But the club doesn't apply that to their managers. You could say it started with Busby. It's one of the big reasons why Man U attracts so much derision from non-fans. That and a long-time insistence that actually playing exciting football that fans pay good money to see takes a poor second place in the priority stakes to winning ugly.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 10:12 AM

Hi Steve

Yes United have had some run-ins with top players. Kean for instance was a fine player, some say the best United have ever had. But Kean didn't just have problems with United. He had problems with his International Managers, and had personal problems with himself. Beckham was ( and still is ) a great clubman but his wife Posh Spice wanted him to get away to further her career. et al
not his !!! Most of the others left because they found it difficult to get in the team. Because of United's squad of players they can't all play.

It is true that they have a win mentality and this does annoy some people. They are ( have been the top crowd pullers for more years than I can remember so the must be happy. I think that many people are jealous of United's success and don't like them beating their teams.

Not only are United the best liked team in Britain but are best known and followed in the World. !!

Cheers

Mike

I do concede that since Fergie went the standard of attractive football has fallen. But Mourinho is charged with the job of building them up to their former status.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 10:42 AM

Best-liked AND most-hated!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 01:42 PM

Richard Osman just said it it wasn't for l's Liverpool would be iverpoo

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 03:24 PM

HI Steve

" Best-liked AND most-hated! "

Only by you Steve. lol

I have traveled to many countries and have found even in outlandish places The name Manchester United is valued very highly. United clubs appear in many towns and cities. We are always made welcome when we say that we are United supporters.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 03:36 PM

Hi

I see that Jamie Carragher - ex Liverpool Player and football pundit -is in trouble for spitting at a woman when travelling home after the United v Liverpool game.

I understand he has been suspended by Sky and has apologised to the person concerned.

I have always liked Jamie for his commitment to Liverpool and to Liverpool Football Club. One of the best Defenders in the World who IMHO did not get the recognition he deserved nor as many caps he should have.

I hope this is soon cleared up. Football needs people like Jamie.

Cheers

Mike

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 06:59 PM

best liked (as opposed to biggest support) - partick thistle. i think the most hated changes in england - (dirty)leeds, (boring) arsenal, (fans in surrey, arrogant)manchester united, (too rich, john terry)chelsea etc ... but in scotland it is and always will be - rangers for many reasons.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 09:08 PM

Billy Connolly once said that as a boy he'd always thought that the team's full name was "Partick Nil."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 18 - 09:16 PM

Apart from the Munich disaster, the only time I ever felt sympathy for United was when Nat Lofthouse barged not just the ball but also the United goalie, Harry Gregg, over the line for Bolton's second "goal" in the '58 FA Cup Final. Bet you still haven't forgiven Nat for that one, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 11:19 AM

Hi Steve

It was very bad decision, It was a typical Nat Lofthouse charge on the goalie. I liked Nat and the way he played, he wouldn't get away with those tackles today. The keepers get much more protection these days.
Yes I was unhappy for a while, but Football is is full of incidents like that. We have to accept them. We don't have to like them but hey, if you can't change them there's no point in moaning.

Got my system tuned up for tonight's game with Sevilla. My son is taking one of my grandsons to the game.

Que Sera Sera.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 12:05 PM

Beware of the 1-1 draw!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 05:39 PM

Bugger !!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 05:59 PM

That was a bloody disgrace. Awful tactics, scared stiff of the away goal, sloppy play giving the ball away all the time, giving Sevilla so much room at the back, totally static in the extremely boring first half, Pogba and Sanchez bloody shocking. Typical negative United, for once getting what they deserve. And who in his right mind would EVER pick Fellaini! Jayz!

Watched it on BT Sport mobile which is usually very good. But I must have had at least fifty interruptions tonight and I even missed the Man U goal. Tsk. Mrs Steve isn't keen on my swear words...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Mar 18 - 06:01 PM

Mind you, we Liverpool chaps would take Rashford off your hands. Ten million OK...?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Mar 18 - 06:49 AM

Hi Steve you got it about right. This was about the worst game I have ever seen with United.

They appeared to have no plan they were hesitant and looked tired. Hardly any competing for the ball, no tackles etc etc They just left the field open For Seville to do as they wished.

Why they changed the side from Saturday is a mystery. Yes Sanchez, Pogba and Fellainie were appalling. The rest not much better.

They played two full games against ordinary opposition and manage only 4 shots. Not good enough. In one way I am pleased that they lost - imagine this shite playing against Europe's best !!

Sad though for my grandson who went to watch United for the first time.

No we will keep Rashford and you can have the rest for Ten Million.

Still that's football it happens to most teams.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Mar 18 - 11:47 AM

I rest my case regarding Pogba ........... spoilt brat comes to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Mar 18 - 03:39 PM

Hi Raggy

There is a rumour that United are trying to swap pogba for an Italian midfielder.

He doesn't appear the be trying , he lumbers around like a water Buffalo, occasionally spraying out a great cross-field pass.

Not good enough. I think he is a bad influence on some of the players.

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Mar 18 - 06:12 PM

Chelsea played well but were ambushed by that man Messi, the greatest. So that leaves Liverpool and City. There are no restrictions in the last-eight draw. Anyone could play anyone else. I don't think Liverpool need fear anyone, though it'd be good to get either Sevilla or Roma. City v. Barca would conveniently get one of the Pep chaps, current or erstwhile, out of the way!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Mar 18 - 10:13 AM

Hi Steve

I watched the game too. Messi is out there on his own. His skill and application is fantastic. He has not just but about four changes of pace which makes him difficult to stop.

Watching this made me realise that United have a long way to go to do well in Europe.

I agree that Liverpool should fear no-one. Their style of play will make it interesting to watch but Clop will need to get his defence organised better.

I will be watching.

Cheers

Mike

ps On a football thread.....the other day on North West TV they showed a guy who had played keep up at Mount Everest. He took 8 days to make from the bottom of the mountain to the Base Camp. Keeping thr ball up as he went.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 15 Mar 18 - 10:49 AM

i love to watch messi - particularly when he picks the ball up about 40 metres from goal. he can do anything from that point and without advancing a step he has already terrified every defender in front of him.

it seems almost every other player we watch is programmed to play a 15 metre pass across the pitch or behind to the full back who is cautiously taking 5 steps forward and another 5 back. this tactic can go on for a couple of minutes til clumsiness takes over or the ball is played forward towards a winger and usually goes out of play. at this point the opposition take their turn to do more or less the same.

this 'tiki-taki' style should only be employed by barcelona or spain when there is evidently a sometimes thrilling purpose.

any other team is just farting about and boring us.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 18 - 11:43 AM

It can be legit to play across like that if you're trying to settle yourselves down after an onslaught by just keeping possession for a minute or two, or to try to tire your opponents by making them run as you switch sides, but it can turn into a tedious and negative tactic, I agree. Good footballers (and managers such as Mourinho) need to remember that it's a spectator sport and those spectators, whether in the stadium or at home watching telly, are the people who make the game very rich. And they deserve entertainment, not half-hour stretches of negativity or bus-parking. I'd like to see a tightening-up of what happens at throw-ins and of how long a goalkeeper can keep the ball, two areas in which time-wasting is rampant. And I hate it when we get several substitutions in the dying minutes of the game. Interrupting the flow of the game in that way is completely against its spirit.   

And what's happened to Hazard? He doesn't turn up very often these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Mar 18 - 02:37 PM

Hi Steve

I am with you on time wasting. Another thing that should be stamped on is the players - and there are many who fall to the ground when their side is being attacked. They roll and writhe on the ground and the ref stops the game. The game is restarted by a dropped ball kickback to their goalie, so that the attacking team lose any advantage. The offending player then speeds around the pitch.

IMHO there should be a sin bin. Other sports use them effectively

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 18 - 06:21 PM

Agreed!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Mar 18 - 10:59 AM

Hi Steve

I have just seen the draw for the European Champions League.

I see that they have drawn Liverpool & Manchester City.

Not the best draw for either of them. But what a great match - can't wait.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 18 - 04:49 PM

Liverpool need fear no-one. Get past City and the cup is theirs. Did you see them this afternoon? They demolished Watford in the most beautiful, clinical fashion, we have the best footballer in Britain bar none and we have a formidable defence coming on. Robertson, Gomez and Virgil are the future. Klopp has some minor midfield issues to fix, but he's the Big Fixer if ever there was one! Be very afraid...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Mar 18 - 11:19 AM

Hi Steve

Yes I did watch Liverpool yesterday buy for some reason I couldn't get into Mudcat earlier than this.

I agree with you about Salah. Fantastic player who jut keeps getting better. Definitely the best player in the Premier League and also most of them out there.

He has traits of Messi, Denis Law, George Best and Jimmy Greaves about him. He had the Watford defence in a complete trance, He even managed to get one defender to twizzle round and fall over without touching him.

I don't share your ( natural ) confidence about The City game and after if they go through.

We managed to win a scrappy game 2-0 against a Brighton team that made us look ordinary....which of course we are at the moment.

But as I said before a win is a win... it's not how but how many.

I believe that Mourninho has lost it !!! Such is my belief that I think had we lost.. Mourinho would be off up the road. And there is plenty of time yet. He's talking rubbish , like inheriting a poor side and needs to spend heavily next year. He's already spent over & 300 Million.!!! He's also criticising his team over the media. Not the best way to operate. He.s not going to get the best from his players that way.

Cheers Mike

Just Watching Wigan go out of the FA Cup.





you

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Mar 18 - 03:32 PM

Hi Steve

According to Metro United are planning to get rid of 11 players in the Summer.

I hope his replacements are better than the ones he made this year.

I know that this is only Press rumours but........

Sorry Neither Linard or Rashford are on the list....lol

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 18 - 09:11 PM

Trouble is, Mike, we get individual players who light up the planet for a while then fizzle. It seems to me that Hazard is fizzling fast. Sterling - can't see him being a superstar for long. Rooney's whole career went in fits and starts. Can think of a few others - Robinho. Balotelli. Sturridge. And Neymar hasn't exactly set PSG on fire, has he? Oppositions work out ways of neutralising individual dangerous players. Liverpool's current strength is their fab three up front. They have an amazing understanding with each other and their egos are firmly in check. They work as a unit and fully occupy defences, so when someone like Salah breaks away at pace he has space and is hard to neutralise. Klopp has a way of seeing raw potential and developing it. I can see Robertson becoming Liverpool's engine room in years to come. True greats such as Best, Maradona, Pele, Iniesta and Messi, Suarez even, are very rare and you can really only shut them up by playing dirty or by their having a manager so inept that his tactics starve them of service. We've seen a lot of that with Aguero, Rooney and Michael Owen, who, unlike Messi, can look a bit lonely and ineffectual up front when the passes don't come in.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Mar 18 - 09:24 PM

Aguero?!?

Just how many goals has he managed to net for City this year, 30 ? !?

And before you start rabbiting about Salah I know he has 36.......... but 30 goals in a season is going some.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 18 - 10:10 PM

He's an out-and-out striker, Raggytash, unlike Messi and Salah, who will get back and forage for the ball and menace the opposition with positional play off the ball. Salah even gets back to defend. City have a great tactical manager and Aguero has had a good time under him for sure. But he does depend on service, and on the few lacklustre City days he can look very anonymous up front. I wasn't criticising him at all but he is a different kind of footballer. I'd have the bugger on my team any day!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 03:49 PM

Hi Steve

Thanks for the comments. I agree entirely with you remarks about players having a honeymoon and then the roof caves in.

Liverpool usually manage to get good strikers and usually manage to keep them. There are more than I can mention but Roger Hunt Ian Rush, Michael Owen, Kenny Dalglish < John Aldridge, Fernando Torres Robby Fowler et aland not forgetting David Fairclough the first Super sub. All have excelled . I could go on but I do remember Albert Stubbins who was a handful for many a defence.

But for me the best Liverpool player I have ever seen is Steven Gerrard. This man was just fantastic and drove Liverpool to great things.

What a great Clubman !!! and we get Pogba !!! Sheeeesh.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Mar 18 - 04:38 PM

I agree about Gerrard. What a shame he couldn't lead Liverpool to a Premier League title though. He was their engine room in the same way that I think Robertson could become - smart, accurate, FAST passing, right to your feet even at long range, getting behind the defenders, making space for the attackers and wrong-footing defences. Had Stevie been five years younger he'd have revelled in Klopp's superfast passing game. I'm afraid Torres was one of those who flattered only to deceive...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 10:21 AM

Hi I watched the International friendly between England and Holland.

England won 1-0 in a largely ordinary game. England using several young players Had the best of the game and the result was a fair result.

We worked hard and pushed Holland back. But we lacked penetration in the final third.

Individually Henderson was our best player with Colleague Oxade - Chamberlain looking good in the first half. Rashford looked danderous with the few good passes that got to him. Should have had a penalty.
Felt sorry for Joe Rodrigez. getting injured to a wild tackle that the referee did not even see as a foul.

Overall a satisfying start but their are many more difficult games ahead. I don't see this team winning the World Cup.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 11:02 AM

I watched part of the second half. Very pedestrian. Very non-dynamic. Plenty of passing across the park. Saw a couple of opportunities for some counter-attacking that were not taken. Can't see us playing too many games before we get the plane home from Russia!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 01:45 PM

hi Steve

As you say plenty of passing but not often moving forward. This passing across and back slows the attack down.

The recipients of the passes don't seem to know how to find space. Last night the were often huge gaps to run into to cause problems for the opposition.

Holland were not what you would call a good team.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 18 - 04:34 PM

That was my take too, Mike. Play safe but forget ambition. Tuesday will be interesting. Italy don't need to practise as they're out, so they can really go for it and give us a workout. I hope they do. Could have said that about the Orangemen too, I suppose...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 10:45 AM

Hi Steve

Italy proved to be a much harder task for England. Some dreadful defending in the first 10 minutes could have seen them 4 down.

The play was drab and unexciting until a bit of very quick thinking by Lingard saw Vardy smash the ball home.

Italy appeared to have accepted defeat but woke up towards the end.

A doubtful penalty - we must get this VAR thing sorted- saw Italy clinch a deserved draw.

I know England have a few missing "stars" but this is not good enough. Things need to improve before we go to Russia.

I have a ticket for United v Swansea on Saturday. No one son has managed to get in a company box. Taking our youngest grandson. Watched him play for school yesterday. Bit one-sided -
they won 15 - 0!!!! He got four.

Have a good Easter.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 11:30 AM

Well he did stand on the bloke's foot, Mike...

Same to you!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 01:59 PM

Hi Steve

Yes he did stand on his foot but I thought he dived first and then
the foot stood on his. It was not an easy one to call....even with VAR.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 07:52 PM

It's pretty difficult to stick your foot under someone else's in order to make it look like he's stood on your foot. Bottom line here is that the penalty would very probably not have been given without VAR. Is that right or wrong? I suppose we want a flowing game uninterrupted by long waits for decisions. VAR isn't an answer at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 29 Mar 18 - 06:39 AM

From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 28 Mar 18 - 11:30 AM

Well he did stand on the bloke's foot, Mike...

I thought Mike approved of that:

From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Mar 18 - 02:37 PM

Hi Steve

I am with you on time wasting. Another thing that should be stamped on is the players -


Multiple 'smilies'.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Apr 18 - 08:56 AM

Hi
Nigel thanks for comment. I have looked at that tackle very closely in "super " slow motion. To me it looks like the guy was tackled by two players almost at the same time. One of the tacklers slightly nudged the guy and he dived. The second tackler did tread on his foot after he had gone down. I can see why the decision was difficult,it was almost impossible the detect.

I thought the ref signaled no penalty but changed his mind and went for the VAR.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Apr 18 - 09:14 AM

Hi Steve

Back to Status Quo......!!!

I managed to watch some of the Liverpool game before watching United.

It was entertaining and for much of the game either team could have won it but a draw looked as though it was on the cards. But up popped Salas again to steal the match. What a player !!! Liverpool are defending better under the direction Van Dyk . They look more settled and organised. He is paying off his fee very quickly.

On to United. They showed more enterprise than recently. Lucacu scoring an early goal. After this it was almost one way traffic with United having several chances, one of which Sanchez scored a long awaited goal.
Lingard had a hand in both goals and was a pain in Swansea's side.
He is starting to develop into a good player. Could be a dark horse in the World Cup team ??

Looking forward to the City game , it should be a belter.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Apr 18 - 10:22 AM

Couldn't watch all of it but it looked like Liverpool won ugly. I hear that Sadio was lucky not to be sent off!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Apr 18 - 09:12 AM

Hi Steve

Yes for once Liverpool needed to win ugly. At this important time in the season when every game is important either for promotion or demotion teams have to win by whatever method they can. Crystal Palace scored first and then tried to park the bus. You can't do this with a team like Liverpool unless you know what you're doing. Palace did,nt and paid for it.

Most of the remaining games will be a scramble. But non the less exciting.

Hold on to your hat.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Apr 18 - 03:11 PM

I suspect the end of the season will confirm Liverpool as the fourth best team in the country.

Tottenham seem to be on a roll to take third spot.

I suppose someone will come back and tell me about when Liverpool won the Premiership .................... !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Apr 18 - 04:50 PM

Devastating performance by Liverpool in the first half. A more worrying second half but the defence wouldn't let City pass at all. I'm over the moon 'arry!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 06:12 AM

hi Steve

Congratulations. Great game to watch. Liverpool overwhelmed City from the start. They were in their faces and pressed and tackled everything in sight.

City were put off their game and fLiverpool's devastating attack took what chances came.

AS you say City improved in the second half and Liverpool ( despite missing a couple of defenders,) held City at bay and prevented that important away goal.

The two fullbacks were fantastic causing havoc in the city defence in the first half and then adapting to the change which meant they had to defend. They were very impressive now in keeping City out.
Of course it is not over yet, this was only the first half - so to speak.

One thing that spoiled things was the attacking of City's Team Bus as they arrived. This could have upset some of the city players.

But as I say, congrats and I look forward to the next one.

Cheers Mike

Ps I hope Maurinho took some notes of Liverpool's approach when we meet City on Saturday.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 09:45 AM

I've just watched a bit of footage from inside the Manchester City as it approached Anfield. The behaviour of some of the Liverpool "fans" is appalling.

"fans"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 11:10 AM

Hi Raggy

Yes I saw it all last night and it was frightening at times.
These idiots spoil it all for real fans and supporters. They damaged the coach so badly that they needed another bus.

I think that the police should have been there to protect the bus and the City team. The " fans " had announced that they were going to " give the bus a lively arrival." But as far as I could see there was no protection.

I don't know if EUFA will do anything about this disgrace to football.

If they don't no doubt the City " fans" will try to respond.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 04:26 PM

The two Anfield matches against City this season have been an absolute credit to football. Last night's was a cracker but the earlier one was the best game I've watched in many a long year. Both teams came out in both games to play fast, exciting, attacking football. Exactly what the fans want to see. Sure, the bus incident was a disgrace ,but it was a handful or two of morons out of tens of thousands of well-behaved fans. Things like that happen a lot less often than they used to so let's hope the police can trace the culprits, with the help of the real supporters hopefully, so that we can put it behind us and remember the evening for the great footie.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 05:34 PM

Sorry Steve, you're not going to like me for saying this, but the behaviour of the crowds outside Anfield was disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful.

I know that football supporters the world over act this this, but that is no excuse.

There is simply no excuse for the actions of some of the assembled fans, even the one's who were "merely" shouting abuse should be ashamed of their behaviour.

To try and put this in context, would you have wanted your Mother to witness that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 06:00 PM

It's still a very small minority. Liverpool FC is famed for its spirited and passionate good-natured fans and the ethos of the team is to come out and play attacking and entertaining football in a great spirit. The bus incident is indeed a slight on the game. In these days of full CCTV coverage let's hope that the perpetrators will be caught and properly dealt with so that we can move on.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 18 - 08:45 PM

Whilst I have no admiration for Sheikh nor oligarch money in football, nor for the riches of the Premier League in general, I do think that we have by far the best two managers in Europe in Klopp and Guardiola. Pep was brilliant at Barca, the passing game coupled with the hit squad of Xavi, Iniesta and Messi imperious, and he's advanced City to way beyond their level of competence. Klopp's strength is that he really knows how to train players as well as to inspire the team (and crowd) to believe in the themselves. All other managers look like minnows, with the exception of Poch at Spurs.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 05:15 AM

Didn't United do well?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

Hi

Yes they did. Down 2-0 and won 3-2 away from home to a team that has dominated the Premiere League all Season.

And we certainly didn't win ugly !!! Yes we had a bit of luck but that comes to everyone at times. This was our time.

The satisfying thing for me was the performance of Sanchez and Pogba. Hopefully this will give that break to give them the confidence to perform and do what we have needed to see from them.

Mourinho must have given a great talk at half time.

Great for us cos we were in the pub with all our mates some of whom are City fans. They were taking the **** up to half time. Lovely to see their faces as the goals rattled in.

good day for United fans. Especially as Liverpool could only draw. Gives us more chance of staying second in The League.

I can't see City holding Liverpool on Tuesday. Clopp will have them attacking. They only need one goal and City will have to come out and attack leaving openings for that ever dangerous Liverpool attack.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 06:45 AM

Well, apart from the cast-iton fact that City should have had a late penalty and a sending-off...

But Man U did play really well in tbe second half, I'll give you that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 06:54 AM

I'm not being taken in by that Pogba performance. It he played like that every match we probably wouldn't be 13 points behind City. The sooner he leaves the club the better. It says a lot that Guardiola didn't want to sign him.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 08:54 AM

Hi Raggy

RE Pogba I am not totally convinced by this one game. He needs to up his performance or we should get rid. The Pep refusal seems to be "Fake News".

And I think the jury's out on Sanchez too. Also the defence needs strengthening too judging by the way City pierced them at random, especially in the 1st half. Sterling missed at least four easy chances.

Steve - I agree that the penalty was the right decision. But hey I have seen many others worse than this turned down. Some you win and others you don't. We have had several like this turned down this year. The standard of refereeing over here is very poor. No wonder they haven't selected any British refs for the World Cup.

I was happy because at half time in the pub my Son checked the bookies for full time scores. They were offering 50 to 1 on a United win so we took a fiver each on it. £250 quid, plus a great United win.....I had a good dinner..!! "hic"

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 08:59 AM

Meanwhile Brechin City have not won a single game this season

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Apr 18 - 11:20 AM

Hi Sandman

I lived in Inverness for four years and watched a lot of football while I was there. In those days Inverness had ( I think ) 3 three teams one of which was an all amateur team. They were called Thistle , Caledonian and clachnacuddin .

I can't remember if any played Brechin, Around this tome the leagues qw
were changed and I think Brechin went into a newly formed East 2. I think Brechin did win a few in fact I believe they won their League one year.

I don't think they winn it this year...LOL

Cheers

Mike

Used to get the "real" football at Aberdeen and Dundee.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Apr 18 - 09:07 AM

Hi Steve

I am organised to receive tonight's City v Liverpool game. Pack of Black Sheep ready in my " cupboard.

City are obviously going to go for it....they have no choice. Liverpool may have to play a game alien to them. Still it should be a cracker.

As I am completely unbiased for this game I can sit back and enjoy the ride.

I see that Liverpool asked United if they could use their training facilities. United said they needed them. Have.t Liverpool faciilties of their own? Or perhaps they thought it would save the players tiring
from that long run.

Good Luck

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Apr 18 - 05:56 PM

Hell's teeth, I'm an emotional bloody wreck! After the final whistle I immediately wolfed down three of me mum's custard creams, it was that bad! What sheer character Liverpool showed after half-time when they looked like they might be basket cases. Was that goal offside or not? At first I thought not but I need to see replays. Whatever, it was football at its finest, both teams feisty, no negativity, both going out to attack (whenever they weren't under siege!) and win. Brilliant entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM

Hi Steve

Congratulations for a fine win. It was a very fair result. Liverpool clearly won over the two games.

I have seen some shots that say that the goal was just offside. But I am not convinced. It looked a goal to me. The usual problem of accurately deciding was he in an offside position WHEN THE BALL WAS PLAYED - I believe he wasn't, but there is just a split second in it.

It was similar to the United City game in that city played magnificently in the first halves. They could have scored four or five
But by good luck and fine defence Pool gained their deserved win.
I thought that they looked to be tiring when Salah did what he does best. That one goal completely shattered City but they kept trying.

Cheers Mike

ps I bet you are rather pleased that Barcelona went out.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Apr 18 - 02:38 PM

Hi Steve

In my previous post I forgot to say that I was disappointed by the referee who made no attempt to stop Liverpool's attempts right from the kick-off to waste time. They did everything they could to slow the game down and the ref did absolutely nothing about it. Ok most teams do it towards the end of a game but from the start it is a little boring. It worked as it ruffled the City Players which upset their style of play.

I don't blame Liverpool the Ref was to blame. All good players will play to the referee. There was no time added at half time to allow for this and also for some hold-ups for injuries.

I don't think he was biassed just inexperienced.

Perhaps the rugby League method of logging time wasting and stoppages would help.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM

Hi Steve

Just seen the draw for Euro Championship Trophy.

Liverpool by drawing Roma have managed to avoid Real Madrid and Bayern Munich. Should have great chance of place in Final. them who knows.......anything can happen.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 09:12 AM

We fear no-one, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Apr 18 - 10:27 AM

Hi Steve

I was not implying that you should fear anyone. The way Liverpool have played this season should give them all the confidence they need. They will fear no one.

I think they will beat Roma.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 09:14 AM

Hi Steve

I watched Liverpool v Bournemouth yesterday.

Liverpool were completely superior in every way. It was so one-sided that it became boring.

Mo Salah should be complimented on reaching 40 goals in one season. Another really good goal made to look so simple.

I have already given my views on the young full backs - Alexander Arnold & Robertson. But I have to commend them again. They are fantastic both in defense and attack. Wonderful range of accurate pinpoint passing feeds their hungry goalscorers through-out the game.

Years ago full backs were huge guys who kicked everything above the grass and lumbered around the edge of their penalty area.

Todays' fullbacks are now wingbacks and are extremely fit and pacey
athletes, These two lads are going to be fantastick players for the future.

Just getting ready to watch United - If we dont't win today they will want locking up.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 09:30 AM

I haven't seen a better goal than that one all season. I also watched the whole game. Good to see Spurs getting licked by City - even if they win their match in hand they won't overtake Liverpool due to inferior goal difference. Chelsea are surely out of it now. Klopp's strengths seem to be getting great camaraderie in his squad and really improving raw talent. Mo, Ox, Robbo and TAA are growing fast. Virgil has settled the defence and Lovren is looking good. Next season be very afraid.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 12:54 PM

Har har! Lock the buggers up!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 02:02 PM

Just remind me will you Steve, when it was when Liverpool last won the Premiership title ..............?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 18 - 03:32 PM

Just remind me when you last saw Man U play ninety minutes of exciting, positive, entertaining football first! Who ever said it should be all about winning!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 05:52 AM

Hi Steve

What a bloody mess !!! United came out and for 90 minutes looked like a disorganised rabble.

They should have had an early penalty but it appears that referees have decided not to give them. But after that United reverted to passing backwards allowing West Brom to organise their defence.

They are a bogie team to United but that is no excuse for the tripe they displayed yesterday.

cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 05:55 AM

Who ever said it should be all about winning!

Don't bring him into it!

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 05:58 AM

Heheh!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 05:59 AM

Hi Steve

Yes Chelsea look as if they are out of it now. Just like Arsenal who might just sneak in the back door ( like we did last year).

Yes Clopp has galvanised Liverpool - but don't think too far ahead. Clopp is already being tagetted by several Euopean clubs.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 06:46 AM

He will not go. Clopp was destined for Liverpool. Even rhymes with Kop...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 06:54 AM

Even better than that Dave, his name is spelt with a K just like the Kop.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 06:55 AM

Well I knever!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 02:48 PM

Hi Dave

At the moment I do not think Jurgen will leave Liverpool. I hope he doesn't because he has blown a stream of fresh air to our football.

But a year is a long time in football these days. In the 20 teams in the Premiere League less than a quarter have been with a club for more than a year.

" Money is the root of all evil.......

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 18 - 04:23 PM

He won't be tempted to move to a better club because there isn't a better club.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:02 AM

Hi Steve

I don't know what you are using to compare "Better" clubs.

I think the Real Madrids and Barcelonas of this World not to mention Bayern Munich and Paris St Germain etc, could disagree.

We will soon see how they compare in the Europe Championship.

Klopp is only human and may be persuaded by BIG MONEY.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 18 - 07:32 AM

PSG are hopeless at the moment and Barca are a waning force, far too dependent on Messi, and Iniesta is not the force he was. Real Madrid are having a clean-out this summer, Ronaldo is getting on and Bale is going out of favour. Jurgen is doing a mighty job at Liverpool, he's building a team, not a bunch of superbrats, he's amazing at getting the best out of young, developing players, morale is great and why would he move?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Apr 18 - 11:26 AM

Hi

We'll see Steve. We'll see.

Getting ready to watch United ( I must be mad !!)

Like United Bournemouth are an inconsistent team. So anything could happen.

Don't know what team Mourinho is going to turn out.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Apr 18 - 02:51 PM

Hi Steve

United won quite easily despite some enterprising play by Bournemouth.
This despite 7 changes to the usual United team. Pogba was deservedly
Man of the Match.

This win keeps United in second place, where judging by the run ins they should be able to stay there. Of course I am not able to judge what impact on this will be with their involvement in the FA Cup.

Of course Liverpool have similar involvements in Europe.

Could be only decided on last day.

" Many a slip............"

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Apr 18 - 03:23 PM

Well Spurs slipped up so the probable identities of the top three at least are becoming clearer. I watched part of last. night's match. At least Man U seemed to want to play football but the match hardly set the night on fire.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 18 - 09:19 AM

Great article in today's Guardian (as ever with me you'll have to google):

Collective triumph

"Liverpool’s success without Coutinho is a testament to Klopp’s genius"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Apr 18 - 11:24 AM

Hi Steve

Yes very good article. I was one of the many that thought Liverpool would struggle when Cortinho went. Rightly much of the credit goes to Klopp's bringing in Van Dijk. This move has steadied, organised and energised the defence.

I don't know how much Van had to do with the emergence of the full backs, but I believe he has given the kids opportunities to attack something which they have taken on to great effect.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Apr 18 - 11:21 AM

hi Steve

Oh Dear !!! Not a bad team West Brom eh ??

Just settling down to watch United v Spurs in FA Cuo Semi Final.

Should be good.

Not betting on United though.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 18 - 06:01 PM

Well, Mike, it was an outrage. Liverpool were denied a stonewall penalty and West Brom should DEFINITELY have been down to ten men after Hegazi punched Ings in the stomach, apparently unseen by the referee.

Having said that, I thought that Joe Gomez was below par and Alberto Moreno was still the give-the-fans-a-heart-attack merchant. Maybe Jurgen rested one too many of his best.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Apr 18 - 04:58 AM

hi Steve

The Referee certainly wasn't on Liverpool's side. I wouldn't have said it was a certain penalty but we have seen many given for less. Liverpool ( due to team changes) lacked their usual aggression and sparkle. But when you are in multiple competitions you have to try to manage it. Klopp was not happy....he even complained about a dry pitch.!!!! Does he not know that it is the same for both teams??. Pity they didn't play today....it's p****** down here.

Last week United made 7 changes and still won 2-0.

Yesterday this paid off big time. He brought his top players back with great results.

This was United at their best. Aggressive and with pace they deservedly beat Spurs and they had to come back from a goal down.
This was a great match to watch with both teams going hammer and tongues at each other.

The ref was poor here too. He ignored Spurs constant diving, their were more dives than in the Commonwealth games diving competition.

Pogba and Sanchez both were great and for me Matich was the best player. He works under the radar very much like Michael Carrick he just gets on with it.

I will be watch the Pool next weak and know it will be a great game in which I hope Liverpool get a good result.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 02:26 PM

Hi Steve

Many congratulations on Liverpool's Mo Salah'S award of the PFA Player of the Year Award.

It was well deserved. Not only has he achieved 40+ goals this season it is the manner in which he scored them. He has a wonderful temperament and takes everything in his stride without any of the usual Hype associated to footballers these days.

A wonderful recognition for both him and the Liverpool team that has assisted him in this honour.

Cheers Mike

PS hope he doesn't score against Man United in the coming season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 18 - 09:55 AM

I'm on the edge of my seat even though it's five hours to kickoff. Tonight I'm having risotto off my knee out of a big bowl and drinking wine even though it's Tuesday and I'm not supposed.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Apr 18 - 10:14 AM

Hi Steve

Don't spill your risotto whatever you do. One of my favorite
dishes. I do them here at home and vary the dish to suit what we have in the fridge. Lovely grub.

I understand your excitement as I often feel the same, and not just when United play.

I too am looking forward to the game - have had to move wifie into the another room because my BT box is connected to my large screen TV in the lounge.

I will be willing Liverpool on. They deserve to get something out of this season.

Fingers Crossed

Regards Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Apr 18 - 02:27 PM

Hi Steve

In position ready for kick off. Already a fantastic atmoshere.

Klopp has got his wish about not having a dry pitch- it has not stopped raining all day here. Has this guy got contacts up there /

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 18 - 04:43 PM

Bejaysus, at least Liverpool have kept it interesting for the second leg. I always like to look on the bright side, tha knows!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:16 AM

How's about this for a gorgeous piece of purple prose from Barney Ronay in today's Guardian, describing Mo's first goal:

"It began with the most vital of all his many beautiful goals this season, one of those moments when the game seems to stop. Salah took the ball inside the penalty area found himself with a tiny pocket of space. With a shift of feet he looked up and produced with no real backlift a shot that did something extraordinary, the ball seeming to hang under the lights, generating a strange moment of hush as it arced under the bar before crashing down over the line."

Heheh. I agree with every word!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 09:24 AM

Hi Steve

WOW WHAT A GAME

I agree whole-heartedly with the description of Mo Salah's first goal.
Magnificent in it's simplicity and in it's importance.

Up until this goal both teams were slugging it out and attacking each other. The goal seemed to affect Roma and their defence crumbled.

From this point Liverpool tore holes in the shakey defence and should have had more then the five they, Sane alone missed three good chances.

There was a blip near the end which as you say leave a small chance for Roma to hit back.

Riveting stuff.

Man of the match undoubtedly Salah with 2 goals and 2 assists. Van Dyjk Looked composed and for the most part held the defence together.

Looking forward to next week. I cant see Liverpool giving away a 3 goal lead.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Apr 18 - 06:04 PM

Cheers, Mike.

Well I've just watched the Bayern/Real match and what a debacle it was. Bad tackles, injuries galore, stop-start, no class, no quality, golden-balls Cristiano hardly getting a look-in (I have a great photo of Mrs Steve next to his bronze statue in Funchal, where he was born and where he's the stellar man of all time). As Real got two away goals and are winning, it should be Liverpool-Real in the final, but who knows. And Real have an absolutely terrible goalie, which could help...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Apr 18 - 02:53 PM

Hi Steve
I did not see the match. Visitors arrived unexpectedly, so all I know is what the papers said.

We were out in Funchal many years ago and we were walking uo near the Sports arena where there was a schools competion going on. It was very hot so we called in the ground and got some cold drinks. As the children were playing the Funchal football league football team were training. Me & my wife took some great pictures of the children and one or two of the Footballers.I had taken some videos. Some years after we were sorting out a huge pile of pictures and lo and behold on my videos there was a familiar face ( not then) of Christiano Ronaldo training.

Of course I saw him play for Man United many times after this.

Small World eh ??

We did go to Madeira a few times after this but never saw him again.

On one of our walks way off the beaten track on a levada we came across a Manchester United supporters club.

We were made VERY Welcome !!!

Cheers   Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 28 Apr 18 - 09:11 AM

Mo is the man in my books amazing

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Apr 18 - 11:12 AM

Hi Dan - long time no see.

Yes Mo has been a fantastic winner for Liverpool this year. He is backed up brilliantly by Roberto Firmino who has assisted Mo.....and has scored a good many goals himself.

Actually neither of them scored against lowly Stoke City yesterday but the team had some changes and no doubt an eye on next week's Euro semifinal second leg. They are in a good spot but the have to finish it.

Good to hear from you.. Hope you are well and pulling in some big ones.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Apr 18 - 02:43 PM

Hi

I went to Old Trafford yesterday. Went to see Wengers' Goodbye .

He picked a weakened team which lowered the game. Even so United did not dictate as we all thought they would. They scored early on on then went to sleep. An Arsenal equaliser woke United up and they attacked a now packed Arsenal defence without looking like scoring. In injury time United clinched a game they should have won hands down.

One consolation is that they still hold the second place that they have held all year and in doing so they have now qualified for next years'
European League Championship.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 May 18 - 01:40 PM

What about Brechin City, they lost every match apart from four draws, still they are a part time team in a league of full timers[apart from dumbarton

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 02 May 18 - 04:27 AM

One more win will see Cardiff City automatically make it back into the Premiership.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 May 18 - 04:41 AM

I'm actually in a location where there will be areas I need to avoid this evening... More on that later...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 May 18 - 02:20 PM

Hi Nigel

Hope that Cardiff get the win they need. I always enjoyed watching them when they were last in the Premiere League#
Good luck

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 May 18 - 02:25 PM

Hi Seve

Sounds interesting !!

I am just getting ready to watch Liverpool v Roma. On paper Liverpool should win but sport does not always work out like this.

If Liverpool produce their fantastic away game there should be no problem.

I will be shouting for them.

Good luck

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 May 18 - 11:21 AM

Hi Steve

Well done Liverpool. Not the best football I have seen from either team. Lots of misplaced passes and some dull passages. Both teams tried to to score from break-aways. Liverpool scored an early goal which gave them some confidence. Unlucky own goal equalised. Roma's attacks were spoiled by reckless shooting giving the Liverpool goalkeeper little to do. Despite all this the game was exciting.

A second goal seemed to have decided the game but even tho Roma scored two late goals Liverpool never looked like losing.

So now it is Real Madrid. If liverpool turn up with their best game I think they can beat Ronaldo and mob. Hope so....we need to have an English team to win.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 May 18 - 09:26 AM

Hi

Oh dear we managed to lose to Brighton. We beat top teams and lose to lowly placed teams. Did not see it had a do with my in-laws -hic...hic.
Just coming round after drinking far too much beer and Scotch.

Sorry to hear the sad news re Alex Ferguson. We wish him well and hope that he can turn this around.

We are still not able to claim second place but West-Brom beating Spurs helps;

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 May 18 - 02:34 PM

hi Steve

It has gone very quiet here since the Chelsea v Liverpool game!!!

The 1-0 loss for Liverpool whilst not too surprising but it could leave a period of anxiety on Merseyside especially if Chelsea win their outstanding games. I can see a situation where Liverpool finish outside the top four, unlikely but the end of season matches have turned form round and nothing is impossible.

Of course Real Madrid rightly has to be their priority and if they win their position in the premiere League will not be o problem.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 May 18 - 06:33 AM

Hi Steve

United finally sealed 2nd place in the Premier league. They have held this position all season, not bad for a boring team eh?

The points they have dropped are mainly to the lower teams which They should beat. Still I think this is easily solved.

Liverpool have yet to clinch a place in the top four. Sunday's games will solve this.

United and Liverpool both have important Cup Finals shortly this may affect Sunday's team selections. .......Chelsea too are in this position but they will want a top four place.

Still a lot to play for.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 18 - 06:49 AM

Anyone going to watch the FA final next week? USA vs Russia... :-D

I remember when it used to be the first Saturday in May. When Mrs G and I got wed (5 May 1973) Sunderland beat Leeds. Loads of people kept nipping out of the wedding with transistor radios glued to their ears :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 18 - 06:50 AM

FA Cup final that is...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 May 18 - 07:44 AM

Loads of people kept nipping out of the wedding with transistor radios glued to their ears :-)
Don't give Prince William (and other guests) ideas. Although these days it would be mobile phone screens.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 18 - 09:04 AM

I knew there was something else going on that day! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 May 18 - 11:06 AM

Hi Dave

My No 1 son cancelled his wedding because he realised after booking the day. Man united were playing at wembley.

Ironically they were playing Liverpool. Think it was 197 they won 2-1..

I was playing cricket some years ago and I was batting when Man U scored in a different game. I pushed the ball and started to run and as I passed my partner he stopped and was run out. He had heard someone give the score from the pavilion!!!. WE lost 3-2 to Arsenal.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 May 18 - 02:28 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 May 18 - 03:18 PM

One point from Brighton, lads, that's all. Let Brighton have the other one...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 May 18 - 09:56 AM

hi Steve

based on recent games involved with lower teams anything can happen. I wouldn't back against Liverpool getting the point they need but it could be " an itchy bum " game to quote Alex Ferguson. Alex is still poorly but hopes are high.

Cheers

Mike

PS. We will be going to North Wales for a few days so you will miss my sparkling humour etc.....lol

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 18 - 01:06 PM

Well we did it at a stroll. We're in the CL next season whether we beat Real Madrid or not, so that's one lot of pressure off. And Liverpool play the most beautiful football. Adelante!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 May 18 - 03:38 AM

Still one Welsh team in the premiership, Cardiff going up, Swansea going down.
Ah well.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 May 18 - 04:40 AM

It would've been good to see two. It was good to see all last year's promoted clubs surviving. Sadly, the PL is still an elite Top Six then the rest. Quite often this season, teams from "the rest" have shown the big boys that spirit, tactics and sheer hairy-arsed determination can trump the spoiled-brattery fed by oil or oligarch money...

I see that Cristiano is demanding pay parity with Messi otherwise he may leave Real Madrid. Half a million quid a week. I wouldn't even know what to do with one week's-worth of his salary....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 18 - 12:42 PM

Fer chrissake, the ref is playing for Man U. Phil Jones should be OFF - cast-iron! Come on Chelsea!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:45 PM

Ashley Young - blatant handball - penalty - NOT GIVEN!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 May 18 - 04:17 PM

Correct result! Brilliant defensive display by Chelsea, Man U terrible in the first half, better but still a bit clueless after half-time, their £95 million man missing the sitter of the season. Justice done!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 May 18 - 06:36 AM

Hi Steve

I don't agree with your harsh description of the game.

The bad decisions by the ref were not only against Chelsea.

The deliberate vicious back header against Jones went unpunished and several wild tackles mowing Sanchez down were completely ignored.

Chelsea had clearly targeted him. There were other fouls ignored.

The second half was all United and only desperate defending held them out.

Yes Pogba missed a sitter which would have leveled the game.

But Chelsea deserved to win as we were just not good enough on the day.

Now we await Liverpool v Real Madrid. I promise the I am not biased and will give a fair comment on how I saw the game. I am hoping Liverpool can achieve a victory.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 May 18 - 09:26 AM

Hi Steve

We are very close to the Euro Championship final.

I am looking forward to a great game between two fantastic attacking sides. Real Madrid are slight favourites but that will not worry Liverpool.

Having said that it should be an attacking game, I think the game will depend on the performance of the defending sides.Real has a defence that has been together and have lots of big game experience. Virgil Van Dyjk has toughened up Liverpool's defence and if he can hold them together Liverpool can cause a huge surprise.

I hope so as I will be behind Liverpool for this one.

Best of luck

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 May 18 - 09:34 AM

You and me both MikeL. come on Liverpoooooooooooooooooool!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 May 18 - 09:56 AM

Apparently, in recent times, a Prince getting married and Liverpool winning have boded ill for the Pope!

Coincidence?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 May 18 - 02:43 PM

Hi Dave

I did not know that...... but if ( when) Liverpool win Jurgen Clopp will be King and Pope of the city.

Just revving up for the game.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 May 18 - 02:49 PM

Hi

I live next d oor to a "scouser". Salt of the Earth. He is trying to get to the match - his flight was cancelled so he is trying alternatives. I haven't heard how he is going on.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 May 18 - 03:41 PM

Hi

Half Time 0 - o; Sad to lose Salah. Real Madrid lost one too.

Scoreline about right. Liverpool had a good start but Madrid coming back just before Half Time.

A lot of football t o come.

Cheers mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 May 18 - 05:13 AM

Hi Steve

Twas not to be. The injury to Salah seemed to affect the whole team.

Of course the blunder by the keeper didn't help. Although Liverpool Equalised Real were superior and another goal seemed likely....and what a goal !!! Worth winning any Cup Final.

Real's midfield dominated and Liverpool visibly tired as another Bale goal was gifted by fumble fingers in goal.

The clash between Salah and Ronaldo never happened. Ronaldo was poor and did next to nothing.

For me Man of the Match for me was Marcello - all over the place both in attack and defence. but the whole of the Real midfield overcame Liverpool.

So Liverpool join Man United in the no trophies this year club.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 May 18 - 05:23 AM

Unbelievable. I had to wonder how they managed to get to the final.

Certainly not the Liverpool who have run riot through other teams defences this season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 May 18 - 08:55 AM

Hi Raggy

No this was a very low version of Liverpool. I know that Salah was missing for most of the game. But that happens in Football. Remember Man United lost Lucaccu their leading scorer.

It does show a weakness in Liverpool's squad. Compare their sub's bench to Real's. Most of the players on their bench are all potential first team players.

Salah's replacement was Allana who ran all over the place but acheived absolutely nothing. Don't think he will have impressed Southgate.

Mohamed Salah's injury and Loris Karius' calamitous keeping will haunt Liverpool's broken dreams for years to come.
We all knew about Liverpool's weakness with goalkeepers. So Clopp certainly must have been aware of this.

It went very quiet in the pub last night - the Liverpool fans have been taking the **ss for the last few weeks.

What goes around......

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 May 18 - 06:49 PM

Sergio Ramos cynically took out Salah. It was perfectly deliberate and premeditated from a man who has form. It knocked the stuffing out of Liverpool, who had dominated up to that point. Ramos knew that the only way to win was to scupper Salah, and, by doing so, he wrecked the match. Adam Lallana hasn't had much football this season so we can excuse his relative quietness on the night. The goalie made two horrible mistakes, 'tis true. When a goalie makes a mistake, it's a goal. When an outfield player makes a mistake, it's a free kick. Had Salah survived, it's pretty certain that neither of those goalkeeping errors would have happened.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 May 18 - 10:59 AM

Hi Steve

I don't quite agree with your comments re Salah/ Ramos. Yes of course Salah was targetted. Every team picks out players that are going to be a problem.

Having said that I don't think it was a brutal tackle. There was a bit of wrestling as Salah tried to push Ramos off - they were holding each-other as they fell to th ground. Unfortunately Salah fell awkwardly with Ramos on top. He unfortunately landed on his shoulder. Sad but this happens in sport.

I can't see a connection between the Salah injury and the goalkeeper's blunders. It should have made him more determined to keep Real out.
In any case I believe it was a Clopp problem. Surely he shoud have changed the Keepers.

Salah is going to be targetted and he will need look after himself and get protection from his team.protection.

I am old enough to have seen Stanly Matthews. He took loads of stick but learned to avoid it. George best was another.( Tommy Smith ??) More recent was Paul Scoles who was targetted by Teddy Sheringham in his ( Scoles's first game. Brian Robson " had words with Sheringham He stayed away.

All part of the game.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 May 18 - 05:09 PM

Watch it again in slo-mo, Mike. It was a typical Ramos piece of cynical play. His clear intention was to take out Salah. The fact that it "happens" doesn't make it any fairer. Ramos knew that up to that point Liverpool were dominating. He knew exactly what he was doing. Hope he reflects on that in years to come when he contemplates his trophy cabinet. He's a cheat.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 06:18 AM

Hi Raggy

I hope you don't mind me using you thread to use for The World Cup.

I have watched parts of most of the games already played. I felt that the first three were boring to watch, with a poor standard of football.

However last night I watched Spain v Portugal. What a game !!!
A fantastic game to watch with some of the best football I have seen for a long time. Spain went behind twice and each time then they equalised. Then Spain went ahead near the end and it looked all over.....but no.....up stepped Ronaldo with a fantastic free kick to bring the game level. ( He had already scored 2 so this made a fantastic hatrick).

I think the result was a fair one even though Spain did bominate to some extent.

Seeing this game made me think that England are way behind the top sides and will do well to get through the qualifying games.

I hope I am wrong but we will see.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 09:05 AM

Hi

Just watched France v Australia.

Poor slow game. France the supposed favourites were held in check by a stron Aussie defence and an occasional foray into the French penalty area.

France looked tired and clumsy with many misplaced passes.

Some controversial decisions. France were awarded a penalty which was disputed. So they introduced the VAR service from which the Referee awarded a goal which in my view was wrong. Soon after Var again was difficult to prove ball fully over the line. Goal again awarded.

No such problems when French defender crazily punched the ball in the penalty area.

France ran out very lucky winners 2-1. They will have to improve if they want to qualify for later rounds.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jun 18 - 10:12 AM

What you post has nowt to do with me me old love.

As for sport I would far rather watch Hurling, Gaelic football, Rubgy or Cricket than these nancy boys feigning injury, cheating and generally being very unsportsman like.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 10:14 AM

Hi

Phew !!! I watched Yesterday's games.

Some great football and some surprises. Mexico beat current World Champions - and it was no fluke !!!

Equally surprising was Favorites Brazil only managing to draw with Korea.

Cant wait to see England tonight but I think that they will have to play their best to win this one. Fingers crossed.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 01:19 PM

Not chopped liver on the pitch, ICELAND played international powerhouse, ARGENTINA to a draw. Argentina has three cities which each have populations about the size of all Iceland, and overall population 120X times that of that opponent. Iceland is my new hero.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 04:37 PM

Hi John Thanks for reme that I missed out that fantastic performance by Iceland. I was not surprised because I remember watching them Beat England in the Euro Championship.

As you say How they manage to get a team like that with such a small population is fantastic.

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jun 18 - 04:46 PM

Hi

Just watched England beat Tunisia. After a great start where we could and should have scored 3 or four goals, we lost our way a little and a soft decision gave Tunisia a penalty to put them level.

We kept at it and towards the end we got the winner which we deserved.

Harry Kane scored both goals but rest of the he was being wrestled to the ground by one of their "heavies".

to our credit we tried to play attacking football to the end, despite Tunisia parking the bus.

So onward and upward,

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 04:48 AM

The ref was terrible, and, but for that last goal, there would be ructions today. Several of the Tunisians were play-acting cheats and they got away with it almost entirely. Apart from the great start and the period after Rashford and Loftus-Cheek came on (way too late), England were very uninspiring. Every time Stones got the ball in deep midfield the game almost ground to a halt as he sat on the ball looking around indecisively, allowing Tunisia to regroup. Time and time again that happened in the second half and he wasn't the only one. Swift passing and running, scaring the opposition with pace, are the way to intimidate inferior teams. That's how we got 'em in the end but we'll need more than a few minutes of that per match if we wish to survive against the big boys. I think our turning point will come, one way or the other, in the Belgium game. If we sit back and throw it because "we've qualified anyway" the main contenders will see us as easy meat and our confidence will be shot.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Jun 18 - 10:49 AM

Hi Steve

I agree with all your comments about the England game.

How Tunisia got away with their sneaky foul tactics I don't know.
Apparently the ref used VAR but he mustn't have had it switched on!!!

I think even when England eventually got round Tunisias's penalty area they just used short passes and tried to walk the ball into the net.

They may have enough to beat Panama but if they do get through they will need to improve. How about Vardy,Rashford and Kane as the strike force ???

My man of the Match was Jordan Henderson.   

Cheers Mike

PS just seen that Japan beat ten mn Colombia.....getting interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Jun 18 - 10:10 AM

Hi

Just watched Portugal struggle through against Morocco to win 1-0 ( Scorer Ronaldo with a brave header).

Good physical game with Morocco's attacking game unable to get that important goal.

Portugal just did enough and played much of the game at half pace.
Very professional performance which we have come to expect from the Euro Champions.

Morocco unfortunately go out of the competition at this early stage.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Jun 18 - 10:36 AM

Hi

The last couple of days have made it plain to see that top teams nhave all had a difficult time. Today Brazil just beatCosta Rica in injury time. They have not an easy ride this year. Germany, Argentina and today Brazil struggled and are not sure of qualification.

The Referee today was excellent and was booking players for wrestling and shirt pulling. He also booked players for diving and for time wasting. Hope other refs were watching.

By and large most teams are capable of beating any other team. except Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Pity, Salah never got a chance to shine.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 01:31 PM

Hi

Watched England v Panama. England were excellent and they ignored the stupid dirty fouls that were made by a far inferior team. The referee did penalise the worst of the fouls and Harry Kane slotted away the spot kicks.

John Stones got in the act by scoring two headers and Jessie Lingard scored a beautiful goal. I thought Lingard was the best player in a fine English performance.

As the teams went in for half time at 5-0 it appeared that the referee had words with the Panama coach and things got more settled in the second half. They stopped the foul play and the looked a better side for it.

England obviously eased up which made sense in the heat.

They have qualified for the next round and will play Belgium to see who wins the Group.

Well done England. They have a long way to go yet but this was encouraging.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jun 18 - 01:41 PM

We were cheering for Senegal, but the result was a two-all draw.
My husband thought that Japan played with a lot of agility, and that Senegal were a bit disappointing in comparison with their performance in the past.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 10:13 AM

hi Sen

I watched the game and thought that a draw was a fair result as Senegal were not up to there usual high standard.

Still as the song says.......ther's always Tomorrow ( sic).

Regards Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 18 - 11:35 AM

This Golden Boot malarkey. Harry Kane, much as I like the bloke, is El Capitan and gets to decide who takes the pens, i.e., him. So he scores five goals in two games, three of them pens, one of them a flukey deflection from someone else's shot that he knew bugger all about, just one a proper striker's goal. John Stones score two classy headers in the one match. I know who I think deserves the kudos more...

Lingard is brilliant. As with Rashford, he seriously needs to get away from Mourinho.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 09:23 AM

Hi Steve

I agree with you comments about Harry Kane and the Golden Boot.
This is the man who a couple of months ago claimed a goal to try and boost his goal total. By doing so he was a) Cheating his colleague and b) Cheating the other runners for the title.

With regards to Lingard and Rashford I disagree. It would be like Liverpool getting rid of Salah.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 09:29 AM

Hi

The competition is really hotting up.

Last night Spain and Portugal were run very closely by lower rated teams.

What is also clear is that the standard of referees is poor and the appearance of VAR has muddied the water.

One thing ( among others) that needs to happen is to stop groups of players surrounding the Ref at the slightest chance. Captains only should be allowed to approach the Ref.

cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jun 18 - 10:32 AM

Jose is a very long way from getting the best out of those two, Mike. They'd blossom away from Man U. Agreed about refs getting mobbed. Disgraceful stuff. And look how long it's sometimes taken the ref to get control before a penalty can be taken. If you stand in your own six-yard box and have to be repeatedly ordered to get out of it for a penalty to be taken, you should be sent off. It's cheating. You know the rules.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 09:31 AM

Hi

Possibly your right but both of those players have joined Man United as children and have been brought up and are being developed by the Club.

I think that Mourinho's style maybe cramps the attacking talents of both players. However They will be being developed in the next year or so.

United have a history of buying top players for " loads of money"This can at times cramp the younger players. But they get well looked after and they will be given their chance a la The Class of 92 .

Getting ready to watch the Germany game. Don't like this playing two games concurrently. My remote is smoking...lol

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 01:28 PM

The Krauts are knocked out!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 01:40 PM

And by South Korea!! They didn't even score a goal! (2-0)
Husband still at work - can't wait to tell him when he gets home, he'll be astonished.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Leadbelly
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 04:37 PM

Yeah,Bonzo3legs,but after all this was not unexpected at all and - therefore - no real surprise. It will not take too much time until Mrs. Merkel will make a same experience. Hopefully, Kraut-Manfred from Germany...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 18 - 09:01 PM

I'm almost as deliriously happy about Germany getting kicked out as I am when Man U get beaten. I don't understand myself when it comes to such things, but by Christ it's pleasurable...

"Is that goalkeeper allowed to do that?!" cried Mrs Steve. "When it comes to Germany, the more often the better!" retorted I!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 03:45 AM

"So Long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye
The German team decided not to try-y"

(With apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:02 AM

Husband has been watching the South Koreans' second goal over and over again. He thinks it's hilarious - it sort of popped in, with no opposition, and the goalie seemed to be otherwise occupied.

He's going to be at work again during the England match tonight, much to his annoyance. He reckons it'll be a draw.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:05 AM

Hahahahahaaaa Nigel! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:30 AM

Don't mention the VAR...

(Not one of my originals, I hasten to add!)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:46 AM

Extended slightly, feel free to add to:

So Long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye
The German team decided not to try-y.
    Dum diddi dum dmm dum dum dum,
    Dum diddi dum dum dum.

With South Koreans trying not to lau-augh
The German goalie’s in the other ha-alf.
    Dum diddi dum dum dum dum dum,
    Dum diddi dumb dumb DUMB!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 06:00 AM

Hee hee Nigel. I just sang this to my husband (he's not left for work yet) and he roared. He knows 'The Sound of Music' very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Jun 18 - 04:43 PM

Did I read that right?
Belgium defeated England ??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 05:36 AM

hi

England were beaten by a clearly superior team. Of course this might not be a "real" game because both teams played sustantially weakened sides.

The plan of playing Rashford and Vardy up front was a failure neither really got in the game. Some of the fault could be put down to a weak midfield    Rashford did have a couple of runs, including a missed chance.

It proves that Mourinho.s plans and development of Rashford is correct he is not yet quite ready for the big time, he can feature as an impact player when coming off the bench.    I think the same goes for Alexander Armstrong and Loftus Cheek, bright futures but not quite ready for the World Cup.

So it's Colombia next. Should be interesting.

Cheers

Mike k

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 07:44 AM

What a shame. Couldn't bring myself to watch what was a charade and a smear on this so far hard-fought World Cup. Colombia are a tough ask. I don't fancy our chances against them.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 08:42 AM

My husband has hung two enormous England flags on the front of our bungalow. Strangers might think we've joined the English Defence League.
But after watching yesterday's match repeat, he was tempted to take them down again.
As my old Irish mother would have said, he was 'torolly disgosted'.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 09:22 AM

I don't know anything about football and only saw snippets of the earlier games before catching about 75% of last night's match but I must say that England seem to be showing themselves as a world class team after years in the wilderness.

Very impressed with the accuracy of the passing and how they moved the ball about. Finishing and defense seem a bit weak but nowhere near as bad as previous teams.

But what do I know!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 10:50 AM

hi dave

For a man who professes to know nothing about football that was a good

appraisal.

BUT BIGGER THINGS LIE IN STORE.

This side is a team and play together and for each other, unlike previous teams that contained several " star players".

I hope when Gareth Southgate ( Manager) Plays his best team, many of whom sat on the bench last night.

The problem is that England has improved, but so have some they have to play.

I am not writing them off, just hoping they can play their best games. It will be difficult.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 11:01 AM

Hi Sen

I noticed when out walking today that many houses and cars that were displaying English flags have removed them. Temporally I hope.

My Old granny from Barnsley would have said " sithee them silly boogers did nowt "

Lets hop an improvement can occur.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 12:46 PM

Excuse me for being cynical, but I wonder if England lost "on purpose" in order to be in the "weaker" section of the knock out phase.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 01:19 PM

Haha Mike! This morning my neighbour-across-the road said, "Cor blarst gal. England weren't too cracky larst noit! Oi reck'n yew orter tairk them bloomin' flags down"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Jun 18 - 02:27 PM

hi Raggy

" Excuse me for being cynical, but I wonder if England lost "on purpose" in order to be in the "weaker" section of the knock out phase."

I am sure that this would have been discussed by both teams.

I don't believe that England deliberately Played to lose.

Colombia are by no means a weak team.

If they did deliberately lose they are walking on thin ice.

cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 11:18 AM

ARGENTINA, ARGENTINA !!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 01:00 PM

Hmmm...........

France 4 Argentina 3

Now I don't claim to know a lot about football but I think that means that France progress to the next round and Argentina make arrangements for their flight home.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 01:09 PM

Yes indeed, and likewise if England loses their its next match. But we are having a bife for dinner this evening washed down with a glass of Argentine Malbec, followed by helado con dulce de leche!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 06:39 PM

Splendidly batty song by two Londoners getting off on watching Iranian footballers:

https://www.facebook.com/ediranfest/videos/1829036267153044/

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 06:57 PM

And then there is Uruguay 2, Portugal 1.

Is it Uruguay
which has the fellow who bites people?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jun 18 - 07:31 PM

He used to bite people. But he must be forgiven as he once played for Liverpool. I have a feeling that he'll be back.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 09:02 AM

hi

Who would have thought that the two possibly best players in the Tournament would be going home at this early stage. Nobody would have forecast it.

But off they go and leave France and Uruguay to fight another day.

I watched both games France were easily the better team even though the final score was close. France's midfield overran Argentina. Pogba had a great game with some thrusting runs a searching passes. But the whole team excelled . As Messi walked of perhaps a new star was born in Mbappi. At his age he will have the World at has feet.

The other game was much closer with both teams sparring with each other until Uruguay broke through with a great goal scored by Cavani made by yer man Suarez laying it on.( One way or another he always leaves a mark !!!0 Portugal had to go for it but Ronaldo was blotted out by a tough Urugayan defence. The enivitable happened and Uruguay broke away and Cavani drilled home a second goal.

I think this Uruguay team will take some beating. Their defence is the best in the World and with two World class strikers they will give a fright to all the rest.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 12:46 PM

Spain out too. Some great players who we will never see again, Iniesta in particular (unless you are in Japan). On the plus side, we will get another chance to hear the magnificent Soviet anthem being belted out.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 18 - 01:32 PM

Hi David

Yes yet another top Team bites the dust.

It was not a classic in the football sense but interesting for all that.

Spain had virtually all the possession but could not breach a well ordered defense. Try as they did , Russia somehow survived. In fact on the counter-attack they looked more likely to score than Spain.

Another VAR incident when seconds from full time when two Spanish players were dragged to the ground in the penalty box ; Harry Kane style.

The decision was turned down. and the rest will be history.

Later If Spain's Penalty play off was anything to go by they still would have lost.

Steve - if you watched did Spain's performance remind you of anything ??

Cheers

Mike
Tonight Croatia ??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 06:15 AM

Hi

Lat night's games - Brazil 2 - Mexico 0.

Poor game as both sides struggled to find top form.

Neymer scored but shortly after was a disgusting attempt to get a player sent off. Clearly he was not touched but he went to ground and from his actions you would have thought he had been electrocuted.

Referee took no action !!!

Belgium 3 - Japan 2

For me this has been the best game in the Tournament. Both teams attacked each other with Japan going two ahead. Belgium brought on substitutes which changed the game. Japan couldn't cope with the height of Belgium players and Belgium scored three with the last goal scored in the final seconds.

This game was played in a sporting manner with very few cynical fouls nor playing for time etc.

Felt sorry for Japan.

Getting ready for tonight's England v Columbia game. Fingers crossed.

Cheer

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 06:44 PM

Good grief, that was a nail biter wasn't it? We'd almost given up.

Spent about 5 minutes dancing round the sitting room shouting for joy, and we could hear everyone in the village doing the same!

Our huge England flags can stay up on our front wall after all!
Next stop Sweden!

Whoohoooooooooo!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jul 18 - 06:58 PM

We didn't really deserve to win, though the cheating, play-acting and shenanigans of the Colombian team did tend to temper one's attitude. That wasn't all through the game, however, and Colombia were not without merit. Still, onward and upward!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:47 AM

Glad that Columbia only found their form after 75 or so minutes of we would have been coming home. Very pleased that the penalty bogey man has been defeated. We are out on Saturday so I will probably on my see snatches.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 02:54 AM

I found the jingoism of the ITV commentators quite disgusting, and they had me hoping for a Columbia win. Still hoping that Russia go far, as they have the best anthem.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 03:07 AM

It's a great shame that some of those Latins behave like boobies. Once again English team discipline was superb.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 03:52 AM

i always turn off the commentary for an england game - but i don;t think england were above a bit of play acting and seemed to get down to the opponent's level for a time. i'd like to be able to get behind england but there is just too much history of oafish, violent, racist misbehaviour among some of our fans that mixed with current ukip and brexit matters leads to something really unpleasant (and a bit difficult as i support scotland and live in the north of england - so a 'traitor' and you get 'i would always support a british team etc etc') i'm very happy with the radical english traditions but those voices go silent at times like this. and looking at the way the draw has opened up for england this time - i fear the worst

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:41 AM

Amid all the euphoria, it's worth noting that England have now gone about 240 minutes without scoring from open play. In that time they've conceded three goals (one each to Panama, Belgium and a real sucker punch to Columbia). Much as I want England to do well (and self-loathers like Pete from Aberdeen make me sick), I can't see them getting much further on this form. Having said that, their next opponents Sweden were pretty frightful last time too.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:48 AM

Amid all the euphoria, it's worth noting that England have now gone about 240 minutes without scoring from open play
But they are winning (or keeping level until full-time) by scoring free-kicks or penalties.
Why are they getting free-kicks and penalties?
Because they are being illegally prevented from scoring from open play.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:51 AM

Very true Nigel, and I must say last night's referee seemed pretty weak.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 04:54 AM

Had it have been me suffering all the hassle before that penalty I would have sent half the Columbian team off. Good job I am not a referee I suppose :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 05:00 AM

Bring in the Rugby standard where only the captain speaks to the referee.

While they're at it, a deliberate foul preventing an obvious goal should be a card to the player committing the foul, and a goal given.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 05:19 AM

'self-loathing' - sorry, do i know you? what are you on about?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 06:47 AM

"Self loathing" is a term used by small minded people who cannot get over the fact that its them we loathe, not ourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 08:57 AM

Hi

England richly deserved to win in my opinion. They tried to open but the but the constant foul play prevented this. Give England the credit for not complaining at some ludicrous decisions from the American Ref.

VAR is by no means perfect. How one of the Columbia team was not sent off for an obvious head butt I just don't know..

I think Nigel has hit on the main problem. There should be rules about mobbing the Ref every time decisions to use Var and other decision times. Only captains should be allowed to approach the Ref as he rightly says happens in Rugby. If they ignore the ref then a Red card should be issued. The soon learn.

The sad part of this is that Columbia showed that they can play football, but they chose to use cynical tactics in the first half.

they got their comeuppance. Their manager should have intervened and got them to play properly. But what do you expect from a manager who tried to elbow Stirling in the face as they came off for half-time.
I feel sorry for their wonderful supporters. The team were not fair to them.
Ok we have to prepare to beat Sweden. Won't be easy they are a difficult team to beat.

cheers Mike


WQe thought the game over until that last minute goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 09:15 AM

'self-loathing' - sorry, do i know you? what are you on about?

Sorry, you're quite right, that was a stupid over-reaction.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 11:26 AM

Channel surfing and landed on the extra time of last night's match...
Too knackered to be bothered moving, so wife decided we'd watch it;
she's the sports fan...

She's Welsh, so immediately became a Columbia supporter...

That's the most football I've sat through for about 30 years,
it is so boring and dainty compared to rugby.
I didn't find any interest until the last 15 minutes,
when players started making mistakes and fouling out of exhaustion and desperation..
Now that was real human drama.

I actually enjoyed the tension of the penalty shoot out.. that was the best bit..

The wife gets carried away with over excitement and shouts at the telly,
whatever sport she's watching...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:43 PM

"We are out on Saturday so I will probably only see snatches."

Nudist camp or red light district, Dave? Heheh!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 01:59 PM

The point about our lack of goals from open play is well made. Sweden have a solid defence and are way too canny to be seen wrestling Harry to the floor in the penalty area. I think we can't rely on being awarded penalties. Another thing: we crumbled psychologically after their last-ditch goal and nearly blew it in extra time. That's not good enough at this level. Finally, about half an inch thickness of crossbar in the penalty shootout made the difference between Gareth Southgate being today's national heroic all-round good egg and a national disaster. If I were a yank I'd be saying "go figure."

(The true hero was Jordan Pickford who beautifully saved a penalty in the shootout and who made the save of the year near the end of the 90.)

And for crissake, Gareth, PLEASE drop Alli and Sterling...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 02:36 PM

hi Steve

hi Steve

Both teams had some luck in the game. With a good Referee Colombia would have lost at least two players for deliberate foul play in the first half hour.

Granted in the second half England was under some pressure but it was only until the very last second of injury time did Colombia score.

AS for the penalty shootout England looked calm except for Henderson who had had a poor game earlier on.

I don't believe that hitting the bar from a penalty is unlucky if you can't get the ball in the net is bad shot selection.

I agree that the goalkeeper made a fantastic save. Rashford took his penalty calmly without any sign of nerves as did Dier. So we were through.

I agree about Sweden being difficult but I just have a feeling that we will come through. No red lights or nudists for you and Dave....lol

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 Jul 18 - 10:46 PM

Question: Can one side fully deserve to loose (on the basis of, apparently, some awful tactics by Columbia that every report I've read confirms) and the other side not fully deserve to win (on the basis that in the only fragment of the game I saw - 10 minutes to full time whistle and early extra time, Columbia, to me, looked the better side)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 12:27 AM

yes you only saw a but of the game for most of the first 90 minutes england were better

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:54 AM

Very good, Steve :-)

I suppose I should revise my statement and say I'll only see bits... err... see odds and ends... err... Oh, it's so hard...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 09:58 AM

Wow, if England gets to the finals,
emotion is going to run really high.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 01:39 PM

Some believe that England is too traditional to win the World Cup.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 02:12 PM

Too traditional in what way?

That we still love our red telephone boxes and red post boxes, that the red London buses are a tourists attraction, that Stonehedge, Edinburgh Castle and Whitby Abbey are still standing?

Sorry Donuel, few of you posts make any sense and this one makes none at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 02:24 PM

Donuel's post makes perfect sense to me, and red telephone boxes are only left in place now for vandals to smash. England in a way has abandoned its tradition and this is the problem. Englands football tradition is that of Tom Finney, Stanley Mathews, Bobby Charlton and Bobby Moore. Someone, can't remember who now, described Lionel Messi as Tom Finney reborn. Diego Godin reminds me a lot of Bobby Moore. We used to have players of that quality, and now we don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 02:25 PM

Thousands of years from now,
our few remaining descendants on a far away colony planet
will be singing mythic songs about the time England won the world cup...

Though by then it might have got a bit folk traditioned and mashed up into involving Camelot,
and Sir Bobby Moore and the holy players of the roundish Wembley stadium...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:03 PM

Well, the English, bless the lot of youse,
are going to have an uphill battle regardless.

David Carter makes a fair point:
there are some hungry ambitious young fellows
on those opposing teams,
and some of them get the job done, and more.

This could be a really thrilling conclusion,
whoever defeats whom.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:14 PM

Normally I'm not a jingoist nationalist xenophobe,
and although I think football is cack since the 1970s...
There are far too many mercenary for hire foreign players in clubs,
at the expense of nurturing top division British talent...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:29 PM

No, pfr, I don't think thats the case. The problems start much, much earlier, with school and age group football. This is dominated by the biggest and strongest. I remember when Cesc Fabregas came to Arsenal at 16, fabulous player then, and I thought then that if he was English he would have been kicked out of the game years before. The top clubs hire top foreign players because they have to.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 04:59 AM

Looking at the draw, the four best teams are playing each other today, so two more will be knocked out. The four comparative 'minnows' (sorry England, Sweden, Croatia, Russia) play tomorrow. So England have a good chance of reaching the semis, but that's about it I reckon.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 05:10 AM

Pointed out on the radio this morning

All 4 quarter finals have one country with 6 letters and one with 7 letters

They are being played on the 6th and 7th

Losers and winners also have 6 and 7 letters respectively

Any more? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 05:38 AM

Oh yeh, 6 + 7 = 13. The number of letters in

It's coming home

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 06:35 AM

I wish you luck Dave but Raggytash personally makes that hard.
After the Belgium win over Japan I daresay anything could happen and Great Britain will have a turn around by actually winning penalty kicks. To get ahead of things I am hoping for a stunning showdown of England's eventual win over Russia.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 06:41 AM

Don't mix up GB and England when referring to football, Donuel! You will incur the wrath of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland supporters :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 07:43 AM

I suspect that the eventual winners will be playing today, although it would be great to see Russia go all the way, just so we get more of their magnificent anthem. A reminder of more hopeful times.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:19 AM

USSR's anthem really is magnificent but I don't know who wrote it.
I thought Russia had a new ho hum anthem from what I heard at the olympics. I will find out at once.

I also don't know the insults that accidentally arise from insensitive ignorant remarks regarding old scores that are still raw. There are too many.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 09:24 AM

Holy crap the answer to the Russia anthem question is complicated beyond belief.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 01:49 PM

Hi David

" I suspect that the eventual winners will be playing today "

If so it must be France.

France 2 - Uruguay 0. This was an intriguing game, full of action and some great attacking from both sides.

As has happened in a number games in this competition the Latin countries tried to bully their way through using cynical and often foul tactics, Once again the referee could not control the problem.

When France scored their first goal Uruguay started to play some good football and looked dangerous, But a crazy moment by the Uruguayan goalkeeper gifted a goal to France. This broke the back of Uruguay and France ran out easy winners.

So another "favourite bit the dust.

Any team can win this and England have a great chance to show what they can do.

Let's see what happens tonight......Dismissal of Brazil ?? could happen ???

Cheers Mike

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 01:54 PM

My mrs is looking forward to supporting Sweden tomorrow.....

She said so with a devilish smile and an evil glint in her eyes...

I suppose I could remind her that Wales didn't even qualify, but I can't be arsed it's too hot...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 03:34 PM

Psst ..... Donuel ......... Great Britain don't have a team, at least not in these matches. They have had a team in the Olympics though.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 06 Jul 18 - 04:04 PM

France - Belgium. Could go either way, and I would expect the winner to go on to lift the trophy. Though Russia may still have a say. And Croatia as long as they play like they did against Argentina, not like they did against Denmark. Can't see either Sweden or England making an impression in the semi.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 06:59 AM

Hi

Whooops there goes another "favourite.

Belgium 2 - Brazil 1.

Great game both teams hammered at each other. The ref controlled the game strictly which kept much of the foul tactics of the earlier games. Good to see. Brazil has two late for penalties refused. One looked like it was a penalty to me. But hey ho out you go.

I wonder how many people would have thought England would outlast teams like Germany, Spain, Portugal Argentina etc. ??

Getty ready for this afternoon's game. Will be close.....my heart says England my head says Sweden.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 12:07 PM

A superb performance by England!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 01:21 PM

Brilliant. Men of the match Raheem, Jordan P. and that amazing Ramsbottom man Kieran Trippier. But what an amazing, integrated TEAM performance!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 02:55 PM

Quality match now between Russia and Croatia, either of these teams would be a worthy finalist. No matter what Bilic says.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:37 PM

Penalties again. Superb match, neither side deserves to lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:54 PM

Once again being the cynic I am, England have just got another 144 million fans!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 04:58 PM

I thought England beating the Swedes was a turnip for the books but that Russia Croatia match had more twists and turns than some posters on here :-)

Seriously though. Only saw the highlights of England's win. The Croatian win was a joy to watch for me. None of the Latin American amdram. No cynical fouls. No mobbing the referee. Plus, I reckon we will have the Russian crowd behind us on Wednesday.

Well done Gareth and the lads.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 18 - 06:40 PM

Not having a stadium full of Russian fans on Wednesday will help. I don't think we have much to fear from Croatia on Wednesday, though the brilliant Modric will need close marking!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 03:41 AM

Although the England team may be defying tradition, the rioting fans in Benidorm last night showed that the old ways are still with us....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 04:29 AM

Hi

England were easily the best they have been in the competition.

team played their part. They made Sweden look very ordinary.

We now have to think about Croatia. Should be OK but remember the Wally
with the Brolly ? " Many a slip twix cup and lip " (sic)

I rather play Croatia than either France or Belgium.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Jul 18 - 04:47 PM

"a turnip for the books"
you gotta love that spell-checker

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:08 AM

Now that Dawn Sturgess has died, the England team need to do the decent thing and walk away from the tournament.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 04:23 AM

This whole Novichok business is mysterious though SPB. Some are saying the stuff came from Porton Down. Without any proof (or the government/MI6 revealing the truth) one can't accuse the Russians.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 05:28 AM

My theory is that a lot of things couldn't be accounted for after the break-up of the Soviet Union, who knows what has fallen into individual hands, and how their alliances fit within the oligarchy system. I would agree to a compromise of the England players wearing black armbands and the name Sturgess on all the team shirts.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 08:43 AM

sport brings people & nations together - keep politics out of it as much as sensible & possible...

In the true old fashioned traditional spirit of football,
the only kneejerk reactions required are to the groins of opposing team players
while the ref's not looking...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:04 PM

Hi Steve

Yes great performance by England. Of course you missed the fact that both goals were from brilliant crosses by You and Lingard ( Man United )!!

Remember your remark made on July 4th ?

" "" And for crissake, Gareth, PLEASE drop Alli and Sterling.."""

Changed your mind eh. lol. Stirling has a wonderful yard of pace that frightens the opposition but he seems incapable of scoring from chances that come his way.

Waiting patiently for next game against Croatia'

cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:06 PM

PS that should have said YOUNG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 03:35 PM

Damn! And I thought Steve had been roped in :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 18 - 06:56 PM

I've definitely changed my mind about Sterling and am happy to admit it. He is capable of terrorising defences, but you can be sure that the Croatian backroom boys have worked on nullifying him. A good few Premier League clubs have shown how easily it can be done. I've changed my mind about Maguire too. He's a brilliant team man. Alli scored a goal that was beautifully laid on for him but he's been pretty unimpressive overall so far. Croatia will be a damn sight more wily than Sweden.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 09:37 AM

Hi Steve

Your view of Sterling is the same as mine. I just hope he finds his shooting boots in front of goal; he had a spell this year with Man City when he was a bit wayward in front of goal, but later the goals came.

I agree that Croatia will target him but I hope they do it legally. .This could help us because they will also be busy with Harry ( the
Kane version).

Harry Mcguire will do some targeting of Croatia, he's not pretty but bloody effective. Should be fun.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 01:28 PM

England has it I just know and feel it

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:49 PM

I've had more fun watching paint dry than I did watching tonights match.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:53 PM

What were you watching Raggy? That was an excellent match, great skill (Mbappe, Hazard), fantastic defending (Varane), superb saves from both goalkeepers. That was football as it should be played and it was a pity it wasn't the final.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 04:56 PM

In my defence I was in a bar that was full of French supporters, inconsiderate, obnoxious, noisy bastards to a man.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 05:03 PM

All football supporters in bars morph into that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 05:10 PM

Thats probably why I prefer Rubgy Union, Cricket, Hurling or Gaelic Football.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 06:49 PM

France got the lead then parked five buses. It was elegant defending, but the bus station was heaving.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 06:55 PM

Allez les bleus ! Vive les Belges aussi ! [that is a joke, btw.]

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jul 18 - 07:05 PM

Oi, the aussies got knocked out weeks ago...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 08:34 AM

hi

I agree with David great game to watch both sides attacking and two well ordered and organized defenses kept the score down.

I don't agree that France "parked the Bus. They certainly pulled back Pogba who had an excellent first half. S'pose he is the size of a small bus. lol Didn't care who won but I suppose that Belgium going out suit many....we have had enough of Brussels lately.!!!!

In tonight's game I take England in a close game.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 11:38 AM

Well we'd better deport all those Belgians that populate the Premier League, then! I mean, Courtois, Mignolet, Kompany, Vertongen, De Bruyne, Fellaini, Lukaku, Hazard, Benteke, Mirallas, Origi, Dembele... Useless bunch of tossers the lot of 'em, they come over here, steal our women, eat our babies, play sublime football, shame us for our lack of investment in young native talent...Let's take back control! Send the buggers home! Let's make the Premier League a repository for fourth-rate dobbins!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 02:15 PM

Let's make the Premier League a repository for fourth-rate dobbins!" hardly, the present english team is made up of a considerable number of premier league players and at this moment they are one goal ahead

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:42 PM

France - Croatia then. Hope it will be a good game. You would have to favour France, but Croatia are decent and were the better team tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 04:44 PM

Dang that was a lame kick at the end I thought they would tie it but not to be

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 05:09 PM

2 hours of football and no England goal from open play. What we need is a couple of proper playmakers like Kevin de Bruyne who can really create chances rather than just kicking forward into empty space, and some forwards who can kick into the goal rather than 10 yards over it. Plus a defence that stays awake.

Then maybe we can dream of winning something.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 06:12 PM

Spot on, G. You could have added that Kane has been a lame duck. Where the hell was he tonight? All very well going for the Golden Boot when most of your goals come from penalty kicks, you're the captain and as such get to decide who takes the penalties... you... He's useless. Hendo should be captain, we need a decent striker and one or two attacking midfielders with attitood. We seem to fall in love as a nation with donkeys such as Owen, Rooney and Kane, and, somehow, we can't drop them for about eight years each. They're the kiss of death for our national team. Which, by the way, Dick, is not the same thing as the Premier League...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Jul 18 - 08:23 PM

Never mind.. the July Grand Sumo Wresting Tournament started a couple of days ago...

Daily highlights on NHK WORLD [there's an app if you can't find it on digital TV],

much more interesting and entertaining...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 03:38 AM

G-Force:
You made a similar comment after the Colombia game:

Amid all the euphoria, it's worth noting that England have now gone about 240 minutes without scoring from open play

My response now is similar to then:

But they are scoring from free-kicks or penalties.
Why are they getting free-kicks and penalties?
Because they are being illegally prevented from scoring from open play.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 04:49 AM

Rugby man, are you, Nigel?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 04:53 AM

Yes, I'm a rugby man, but the comment made applies equally to G_Force's question about the lack of a score from open play in soccer.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 05:08 AM

England had plenty of chances to score from open play last night. That "world class striker" of ours should have netted two, if not three, and Lingard missed a golden opportunity. We are becoming a good team but we lack the guile and experience of the Modrics and Rakitics and Perisics of this world. Even the Lovrens. The guts fell out of the team after their equaliser, even before it. Southgate has more work to do on our team becoming more wily and psychologically strong when we go behind. Tough, physical and even cynical opposition is the name of the game these days. No use blaming that for our lack of goal-scoring. Wrong target, Nigel, and pointed to with a touch of old-style sour grapes whingeing. Face it. We simply fell short.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 05:30 AM

No, Just pointing out that the lack of goals from 'open play' is not always the fault of the players, but can be compensated for by the set pieces which result from opponents preventing open play.
As to last night's match, I haven't seen it. My time was much better spent watching the excellent War Horse with Bob Fox as the 'songman'

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 05:45 AM

The Croatian players were technically better, as will the Belgians be on Sunday, and as would the French be if England had played them. The problem in my view is the structure of the game at a young age, where in the UK (lets face it its even worse in Scotland) physical strength and size are appreciated more than skill. Unless things change from ages of around 10, England will never produce another Stanley Matthews or Tom Finney, and Scotland will never produce another Jim Baxter or Jimmy Johnstone.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 06:02 AM

And the sheer wealth of the Premier League militates against our investing in native young talent. Just look at how many of those Belgians, for example, have been hoovered up by our top teams... Another factor in our lack of success is the propensity of the managers of Premier League clubs for withdrawing their key players from international duty at the slightest drop of a hat. Any little bruise or mythical muscle strain would suffice. Ferguson was a prime culprit. Hopefully, a part of Southgate's legacy will be to restore such pride in playing for England that such dishonest ploys become anathema.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 09:15 AM

Hi

We lost because we were not good enough.....simple as that.

We were beaten by a team that was both physically and mentally superior men against boys.

We had a great start and as has been commented on below we failed to score when we had a bundle of chances all missed. Even the hard working Harry Maguire missed a good chance.

We had a lot of better players than Croatia but we did not use them correctly.

Steve is right when he says that we fold if the opposition fold.

I also believe we were over confident and underestimated the Croatia team.

There is hopes of improvement because we were a very young side and there is time for development.

We will have to wait and see.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jul 18 - 02:49 PM

Hi
""
" Steve is right when he says that we fold if the opposition fold."

The last word should be score.

Cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 01:09 AM

1. I hope Croatia takes it.

2. No one cares about the third-place match.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 05:25 AM

Actually, the third-place match has has the potential to be an attractive watch. I'd like to see both coaches pick strong teams, not simply use it as a quasi-friendly making experimental use of non-playing squad members in order to be nice to them. Southgate made the severe error of doing that in the group stage dead rubber and we learned nothing from that game.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 05:55 AM

Croatia has half the population of London but beats our national team.
I read that only a third of our Premier League players are British. I am sure that is not the situation in Croatia.
Are we failing to train enough Brit. (eligable to play for England) youth?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 07:59 AM

We'll be backing Croatia in the Final.

I thought they played very creatively and with verve against us, and deserved to win. After that first goal, our team seemed to go a bit stodgy and leaden
.
Our flags have been taken down by a very grumpy husband, and he's wearing his Liverpool top this morning. (He has all the Premier League tops, and wears them indiscriminately). The England tracksuit has been washed and relegated to his bottom drawer. That's the end of that!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 11:26 AM

hi Sen

IVERPOOL ????? Burn it....lol

You are right we caved in after we had scored and missed some sitters.

Steve I have heard that Southgate is not playing his top team.......don't know about Belgium.

regards Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 12:16 PM

What an achievement for the nation to celebrate - when was the last time the England team came 4th in the world cup...???

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Jul 18 - 12:22 PM

We could still be third.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 12:17 PM

And here come the final World Cup games.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 12:43 PM

Keith - yes, we could still be third - 4 years from now...

..and by 2022, genetic scientists might also have successfully grown fully functioning wings on pigs...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 01:24 PM

Just 4th then, but why?
Why are so many of our best club players playing for other national teams against us? Is that true of other countries to the same extent?

The Belgian Captain and 12 of his 26 players play for English clubs.
The population of Belgium is less than 12m!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 01:35 PM

Keith - look back to my post

"From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 05 Jul 18 - 03:14 PM "


I was 7 years old, and still had a schoolboy's excitement in the game,
when we were all swept up enjoying the euphoria of winning the world cup...

Now I can't even remember watching it on the telly.....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: gillymor
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 01:38 PM

So England will be 3rd or 4th, sounds like a pretty good outcome to me.

It seems a bit unfair that France gets an extra day's rest, especially considering all the extra minutes played by Croatia. Perhaps they should have held both semis on the same day.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:42 PM

The question Keith, is why are so few English players playing for top club sides elsewhere in Europe.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 08:41 PM

nobody wants to talk about that third-place game ...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:18 AM

Belgium played well. Particularly in the first half, but their counterattacks in the second half were superbly timed. Pickford made a great save to deny what would have been the best goal of the tournament. Only disappointment really was Lukaku, who, having been superb against Brazil has had two poor games.

Apart from Pickford, who has been England's best player of the tournament by a mile, the only England player worthy of mention was Loftus-Cheek. Kane has been dire since the Panama game.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:13 AM

The question Keith, is why are so few English players playing for top club sides elsewhere in Europe.

That is the same question. Why are so few English kids getting to that standard where foreign or even English clubs want them?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 10:39 AM

I have given my answer to this above, in my view its because of coaching methods in the junior game (ages 8 to about 14), where in England a premium is placed on size and strength, rather than on skill.

There is another issue to, we have seen in the England team for the world cup a number of players who could hold their own in La Liga or Serie A. But they don't go. Why? Since Beckham and Owen I can't think of an English player who is still a force at international level signing for an overseas club. Even those two were at the fag end of their careers. So there is also a lack of ambition, or alternatively a parochialism, amongst young British footballers.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:14 AM

big fish small pond syndrome...???

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:34 AM

Great game so far wow I hope cro takes it

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 12:23 PM

Ugh Croatia goalie leaks like a broken sink

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:13 PM

Appallingly soft penalty at the end of the first half, but to be fair the French third and fourth goals were superbly taken. Excellent display from both teams.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:23 PM

And in four years' time,
there will be a new Mudcat BS thread on the next World Cup.

In my part of the country,
the work-migration patterns have brought an entire generation,
maybe better, of Brazilians.
They go absolutely nuts every four years.
You have to resign yourself, when you visit restaurants where they work, to the screaming, hollering, and jumping around
if there is a World Cup match underway while you wait for the meal you ordered.
If it's the sort of establishment that has a television screen or four,
then you have that distraction as well.
Not to speak of bars or pubs.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:46 PM

England - "awww.. let's have a look.. go on.. we're next door neighbours.. let's have a look and a quick hold of the cup..."

France - "Non !!!.. Va te faire foutre brexit bâtards !!!!!.."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:16 PM

Just watched the final game which was broadcast locally, free, on the FOX network station. Didn't understand it 100%, particularly why that French player was running the ball towards his own goal line just before the Croations made their second goal. Was he trying to get it to his goalie to kick it?

Looked to me like the Croations had wonderful teamwork, they seemed to kick the ball where they needed it to go and find a team-mate. The French had power and great capacity to get the ball from their opponents but too often it went where they weren't.

Might be the first game of soccer I've seen through to the end.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:45 PM

Credit to both teams for providing a spectacle worthy of a World Cup final. Tell you what, though: the English team couldn't hold a candle to either of those two teams. We have a long way to go, and we haven't even got a decent striker!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:19 PM

Agree with you steve they need work if they want to win it all. The competition this year was superb by all the teams. France deserve it as those goals were amazing

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 04:37 AM

David,
So there is also a lack of ambition, or alternatively a parochialism, amongst young British footballers.

Is it true that English players are turning down offers from abroad, or are they just not good enough to be wanted?

PFR,
big fish small pond syndrome...???

Hardly. The English league id dominated by foreign players. Two thirds! The English players are the small fish in this pond.

I suspect that David is right about the English clubs not identifying skilled young players.They are being failed by the system and England is doomed to perpetual humiliation in internationals because of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 08:10 AM

Keith - you missed the point...

The indigenous elite English players who are prominent in the premier league
are fairly important here.
In Europe they would be run of the mill at best...

My mrs would remind you that even tiny Wales has produced a better world class player, Gareth Bale...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 08:19 AM

Yes PFR, but why are England's elite only run of the mill at best in Europe?
It can only be that boys with elite potential are being identified in other countries but not ours, otherwise why are there so many from Belgium (pop 12m) and so few from England (pop 55m).

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 09:05 AM

Keith - we are actually in agreement this time,
I gave you a link to my much earlier post in this thread expressing my opinion...

I'm by no means a nationalist, but English premier football is too dominated by foreign money...

Personally, I wouldn't care if football disappeared forever along with all religions...

But there's still a slight remnant of that schoolboy in me
who grew up in a golden age culture of 1960s English 1st Division football...

Before Corporate Global profiteering / Sky Sports ruined the game...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 09:23 AM

I remember when Burnley won the First Division in 1960 with a team that cost £9000. The runners-up, Wolves, cost half a million. Only two of the Burnley first team cost any money, the great Jimmy Mac, the finest inside-right ever to grace a football pitch, accounting for £7000 of the dough, and nine of the team had been recruited by what was then the finest scouting system in the country. Mind you, the players were treated like minions and were forced to have formal dinner with Bob Lord after each match... Most players would have to get other jobs, such as running sports shops, after they retired, which could happen unexpectedly early due to injury or just being dropped, and a good few ex-household names were soon on their uppers.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 09:36 AM

Hazy memories, but when I was little my dad told me some footballers were earning as much as pop stars - a hundred quid a week...!!!!

[it might even have been 50 quid.. which would still have impressed my old dad on his factory machinist wage...]

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 16 Jul 18 - 05:56 PM

I don't know whether they are Keith. But you don't hear of English, or indeed Scottish players agitating for a move to a top European club. A Welsh one did, and has done rather well. If, to name but one, Harry Kane is as good as he tells everybody that he is, why is he not pushing for a move to a top Spanish, French or Italian club?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 04:32 AM

why is he not pushing for a move to a top Spanish, French or Italian club?

Because they do not think he is good enough so do not put a price on him.

you don't hear of English, or indeed Scottish players agitating for a move to a top European club.

You don't hear of offers being rejected.
English clubs are failing to train world class players and buy them off the shelf instead.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 04:42 AM

I've gleaned that the expression "world-class player" has become flavour of the month during the World Cup. Funny that. As I've watched the matches I've seen that the most successful teams have actually played as teams and that their alleged world-class players have set their egos aside. I've heard it said several times that England have just the one world-class player. Well he got the Golden Boot (by dint of three penalties, two tap-ins and one deflection that he knew nothing about), but the way he played, especially in the knock-outs, revealed him to be a world-class let-down. I think we should give him the golden handshake.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 06:12 AM

Our best English player is not good enough, so we should buy all our players in and not train any English kids at all.
Even just a third of English club players being English is too many.
How did this come about?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 07:48 AM

Murdoch and the Premier League...

Working class traditional sports culture became vastly over priced global corporate consumer product...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 02:53 PM

hi

" If Kane is as good as he tells everybody that he is, why is he not pushing for a move to a top Spanish, French or Italian club? "

A number of foreign clubs have registered interest in Harry.

This was before the World Cup started. I guess after a very ordinary performance the clubs may move on.

One thing you must consider is that English players earn very high wages compared with most Foreign leagues. They can get better players cheaper. They also prefer to sell players that wish to leave to bring in huge transfer fees.

Cheers   Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 04:57 PM

Steve, I hope you are getting all your information from mainstream football pundits who's views are accepted by their peers and have their books for sale in high street book stores.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 17 Jul 18 - 05:30 PM

Mike, I think you make a very good point about the wages. Wages in the EPL are obscene. And English players, and indeed others such as Belgian players, either see these wages as an indicator of the quality of the league (which they are not), or else are just plain greedy. I guess Bale could have earned more if he had gone to Man City. But he wanted to play, train and compete with the best. Kane I would think is a level down, and would struggle to get game time at Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus or PSG. The one England player who could definitely command a transfer to a top league is Pickford.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 06:38 AM

hi

With all this talk of foreign players over here we should remember that Many British players played abroad. -: Kevin Keegan Rodney Marsh Laurie Cunningham, David Platt Trevor francis Graham Souness John Barnes Paul Ince Ray Wilkins Ian Rush ( was returned back to Liverpool Post haste ) Glenn Hoddle Chris Waddle Gary Linacre David Beckham Johnathon Woodgate Mark Hughes Les Ferdinand and we mustn't forget Gazza.

This lot is not the only ones by but probably the best known ones.

Interesting isn't that today while there are some British players move abroad but not many except that those who go at the end of their career to USA or China.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 07:16 AM

And going back a bit further John Charles and Denis Law.

John Aldridge and the late Dalian Atkinson went to Real Sociedad. I remember when I lived in Spain watching on TV the two of them absolutely destroy one of the top teams, either Barcelona or one of the Madrid teams.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 07:52 AM

But if most of them played in the 1st division before 1992,
then that supports the proposition that Sky Sports and the Premier League are the major factors
in the effing up of the development of young English talent...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 09:41 AM

Hi

How did I miss John Charles a giant in every way. And Denis law? ( as a Man United fan ). Denis lived very close to us when he played for United.

I think looking at the names that in those days Italy was the most favourite with The Traveling People".
cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 11:41 AM

Mike, why are only a third of English league players English, and why are half the Belgium squad English club players.

we should remember that Many British players played abroad

Not many compared to the reverse flow.
It may not be a wholly one way traffic, but almost.

English players earn very high wages compared with most Foreign leagues.

That applies to bought in players too, plus the transfer fee.
Do other European leagues pay significantly less?

Why do only English clubs seek to profit from selling players?
Why does England produce so few elite players from its large population?
Why do English clubs prefer to buy in players than train English kids?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 12:00 PM

I see that English league players are paid more as you said Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 12:02 PM

Because England has become crapper at football since 1992,
for reasons already pointed out to you more than once in this thread...

Profiteering global capitalism has taken over and destroyed traditional regional English community football culture,
that once thrived on nurturing young local loyal players...

Solution - follow rugby [until it also goes completely the way of bland corporate football]
and sumo wrestling instead...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 01:22 PM

... oh.. and as this is folk trad mudcat... Bog snorkelling and Ferret-legging...

Though unfortunately they don't seem to get much TV coverage......

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 02:09 PM

Keith, I don't think that is true. At the time of John Charles and Denis Law, and even at the time of David Platt and others, I don't think there were many foreign players in the British leagues. Chinaglia doesn't count, he grew up in Wales. Can you think of any from the 60s and early 70s.

Money is the key. Charles and Law were paid more in Italy than they would have been in England, Wales or Scotland. Now its the other way round.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 02:15 PM

English clubs cannot train English kids to the level that they can train foreign kids. By the time they get to the clubs, the damage has been done.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jul 18 - 02:54 PM

Hi Keith

There is no doubt that English clubs higher wages than almost all foreign clubs.

I was surprised to see only this week that Barcelona do not pay top money.



Foreign players flocked to England so much that in 2005 Arsenal played a full team of foreign players. More recently Chelsea have played 8 players.

Belgium have invested huge sums of money into sport. The result is that Belgium are progressing to be one of the leading sporting Countries.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 04:39 AM

So unless our league clubs change their ways we will continue to be humiliated in all future international competitions, because there is no serious money to be made from them.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 07:56 AM

I didn't feel humiliated...


but then, I'm neither a nationalist or a worshipper...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: gillymor
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 08:12 AM

Keith sounds more like an official from the Ministry of Propaganda than an actual soccer fan.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 09:01 AM

That is indeed a bit extreme, firstly what is your concept of "we". I didn't take part, and I suspect neither did you. I don't feel ownership of a team just because it happens to have the same nationality as me. Secondly, and accepting that by "we" you mean the England football team, getting to the semi-final of a major competition is hardly being humiliated. Its just not quite being the best.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 09:39 AM

Hi Keith

Like others I never felt humiliated. England had a very good draw by only having to play...shall we say moderate opposition. So we qualified for the finals easily.

Gareth Southgate opted to select a very young squad because the more experience players were not up to standard.

We got to the semi finals, in doing so we got further than the likes of Brazil, Argentina,Spain etc.

We have a host of younger players coming along in the Under 17 and Under 21 Teams. So the future at this stage looks bright.
"
Money may be a factor but by no means does it guarantee "buying" The World Cup.

Think back to this year.....Croatia got to the final and could have won it but for a brilliant performance by France. I don't know what the financial position is with Croatia but would think it small compared with the more well known teams.

Football is a sport and one of the wonderful things about it is that you can't guarantee success.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 10:16 AM

If WE did not fly the red cross flag of England from our bedroom windows during the world cup;
It will have been reported and noted that we are not true English patriots,
and will not be spared in the coming civil war...


[Maybe I'm watching too many far right youtube channels for the perverse fun of it...???]

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 10:58 AM

Gilmore you are right. I am not a soccer fan. Many non fans take an interest in the World Cup.
David, I have noticed that many fans embrace the concept of "we" when talking of their club, even though they do not "take part."

As Mike said, England only got as far as it did because of an easy draw.
It was unable to beat teams from very small countries like Croatia and Belgium, and last time was knocked out by Iceland!

I would call that a humiliating defeat for a large country with a huge soccer industry, but as Mike said we fielded a young team who might fare better next time.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 11:39 AM

Steve Shaw embracing the concept of "we,"
" We have a long way to go, and we haven't even got a decent striker! "

Did he take part?
Mike, thanks for your friendly tone.
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 11:41 AM

Hoops.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 02:45 PM

Ho pfr

Down the road from me is a house that was flying a huge Portuguese flag.

Yhe occupants will be interrogated and shipped off back to Lisbon in irons. That will larn em.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Jul 18 - 03:26 PM

Meanwhile we Mudcatters
in the United dis-united States of [North] America
watch all this going on:
so near, and yet so far!

Will it take us a century to qualify?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 18 - 09:51 AM

After Liverpool's demolition of West Ham and United's scruffy first victory, I think I can safely say to you, Mike, be afraid. Be very afraid...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Aug 18 - 03:14 PM

Hi Steve

I agree. We are completely disorganised at the moment. What a F*** up with the transfers.!!!

We were lucky to get away with it against Leicester. The Pogba/Mourinho saga is wrecking the club. We should do something about it. I have a feeling that one or the other ....or both will be fired very shortly.

In contrast Liverpool are very organised under Klopp. They have strengthed the team and wiped the floor with West Ham.

It's going to be a long season for us.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 18 - 11:37 AM

Hmm. If this match carries on like this, 2-0 in under half an hour, Mourinho will be out on his ear by teatime, Mike! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Aug 18 - 11:58 AM

Giving away cheap penalties, duff defending, at-fault players whingeing at each other, manager storming off before the whistle...oh dear!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Aug 18 - 01:26 PM

City 6 Huddersfield 1. Wish I'd have watched it!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 05:32 AM

"You've gone strangely quiet, Mike," goaded Steve...   :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 06:34 AM

Just remind me Steve, when did Liverpool last win the Premiership, for some reason I can't remember!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 10:01 AM

1990 and 2019.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 10:10 AM

I don't follow much football, Raggy but I think the difference is that Liverpool look like a club that's moving forwards with a progressive and refreshing manager.

Man U don't look to be going anywhere and I don't know what's happened to Mourinho. Always full of himself but I used to find a likeable side. But since the last time at Chelsea, he seems (to me) to have turned more "bitter old man" and more interested in carping than building a team that would produce their best.

OK maybe the end of season will produce a different outcome but that's how I see things at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 10:49 AM

1990 Steve .......... really? The Premiership?

Either you or I have got our history wrong ........... and I don't think it's me!

:-)

Jon, I do not admire Mourinho, never have done, and even if he is the manager of Manchester United that does not alter. The sooner he leaves the club the better as far as I am concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 11:43 AM

Hi Steve

" "You've gone strangely quiet, Mike," goaded Steve...   :-) "

Thanks for missing my absence. I have been away for the Bank Holiday week-end. I don't do any postings when I am away from home. I leave all that until I return.

Anyway noe that I am back I will agree with most of you comments. I did get to watch United in a pub in Llandudno. I agree that it was a shambles ;they played as though they did not know each other and did not care about doing so. Something will have to be done. First thing should be to get rid of Pogba. Then Mourinho should get his marching orders. At the moment there is no coverage of Man United, just loads of s**t about Pogba and Mourinho,

The way we are playing we won't even finish in the top 10, !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 02:58 PM

Hi Steve

Just heard that Jimmy Macilroy has died, Like you ( thousands of football lovers loved to watch him play. I saw Him several times and read about him in the football press and what a fantastic player he was. He was not just a great footballer but also a great man.

I know you saw many times more the me but I know you will aree that football has lost a wonderful talent.

Condolences to his family and all his friends. There will never be another like him

Sadly

MikL

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Aug 18 - 08:35 PM

It's devastating to hear that Jimmy Mac has passed on. He was a true gentleman of football, as fine an inside forward who ever graced a football pitch, and, above all, my boyhood hero. Where were you on the evening of March 7 1961, you may ask? Well I was at Turf Moor, nine years old, watching Burnley beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-0 in a quarter-final FA Cup replay. It was a brilliant football match and Jimmy played a massive part. That night made me everything wot I am!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Aug 18 - 10:28 AM

Hi watched Liverpool v Crystal Palace. It wasn't a great perfprmance by Liverpool but they won easily enough, and that's what counts.

That man Salah was head and shoulders the man of the match.

Liverpool will play much better than this as the season progresses.

Cheers

Mike

PS didn't hear anything from you about Man United beating Liverpool.....!!!!!    oh it was in the Women's League. United did well as it was their first game in the League for 30 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Aug 18 - 02:18 PM

The rumour mill has it that United are deciding which of Pogba or MourinHo they are going to get rid of. I say it should be both.

We could do worse than to offer the manager job to Ryan Giggs. At least he will have them playing " the United way.

What do you think ?

Cheers

Mike

Ps Just heard that Martial will be going this week. !!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Aug 18 - 07:11 PM

Palace are a tough bunch of buggers and I reckon they'll easily finish in the top half this season. Liverpool showed at last that they can win dirty. Three bloody good points from the match: Virgil was magisterial, Allison was not only a great stopper but is also a very cool and accurate distributor, and there was absolutely none of that mid-match flakiness that Liverpool demonstrated too often last season. It's between Liverpool and City this season. United won't finish in the top eight.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 10:08 AM

Hi Steve

Crystal Palace under Roy Hodgson are a difficult side - especially at home. Liverpool got away with a couple of decisions but as you say won dirty. All teams have to do it sometimes.

Unless United buck up you could be right about them struggling to get in the top ten. Nearly all the teams have strengthened their sides and other than Huddersfield and Cardiff any side can beat any other side.

I don't see Liverpool topping Man City but we will watch with interest.

cheers

Mike

PS Now it seams that at United Anthony Martial is now staying having demanded a moved all year. I would let him go.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 10:53 AM

I thought the ref had a particularly good game, actually. The penalty was a definite foul, no doubt about that, and the sending-off was obligatory within the rules. The only thing I saw Liverpool getting away with was Andros thumping one against the crossbar. A decisive moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 02:55 PM

Hi Steve

Strange how two people watching the same game see things differently.

I thought that there was some doubt about Salah going down as did most of the guys in the pub.

However if the ref saw it as a foul then he was right to send him off.
The problem is that the referees are not consistent. For this incident some refs would have not given a penalty. But the referee can only give what he sees. Maybe The Premier League should install VAR ??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Aug 18 - 03:58 PM

Yebbut you're a Man U man, so...

Salah was definitely clipped for the sending off - the only slight doubt is that he just MAY have been letting the ball run a bit too far ahead of him. But it was a clear foul, no messing, and the defender was not going for the ball. I've watched the replay Gawd knows how many times. The ref made the right call and had no option.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Aug 18 - 02:59 PM

Hi Steve

Do you think that because I am a Man United supporter I am biassed in my views of Liverpool and Man City,??

I am not. love football no matter who is playing. I try to be objective about all the games I see.

Obviously at times my views differ from others' but I try to be fair.

Naturally I want United to be successful again. We are miles behind Liverpool and Man City and others too. I try to give credit where it is due.

We are playing Burnley this week. Burnley are one of the clubs I admire. I wish them well even though they are playing us,

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Aug 18 - 09:29 AM

Ps to previous post.

Don't know why I said United is playing Burnley at the week-end

They are actually playing Tottenham.

Weill be a good test of United's struggle to find form.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Aug 18 - 11:13 AM

Hi

I went to Old Trafford last night to watch United Play Spurs.

The were well beaten 0-3 in an interesting but not exciting clash.

United had the best of the first half and managed to miss some scoring opportunities, especially Lucacu whom seems to have lost his shooting boots.

The second half with a different Tottenham team do most of the attacking. The inevitable happened when Kane scored. After that it was all Spurs and they ran out easy winners.

This is the worst start to the season that United have ever had since 1962. But perhaps we needn't worry because they went on to win the League. ( Fingers crossed in hope rather than expectation.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 18 - 08:03 PM

No way, Mike. You're heading for the bottom half and you know it. Unless you get rid of the Unspecial One very quickly indeed. That second-half defensive display was a farce. And Pogba was bloody useless. On top of that, Spurs were denied a cast-iron penalty in the first half. You need shot of Phil Jones.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 06:52 PM

Chelsea - great to watch, new manager, new lease of life, Hazard firing on five out of four cylinders. I love it.

But come on now, chaps. Liverpool. The team that the whole world now fears. PSG neatly put away. Neymar, Di María, Cavani, Mbappe... where were you, chaps! And Liverpool still haven't completely found their stride. Be very afraid, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Sep 18 - 07:00 PM

I like lurking around this thread.
This is much more the thing.
Heated and animated discussion
without Mudcatters being disgusting to fellow Mudcatters.
Yes, yes, I'll shut up now.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 12:26 PM

No need to shut up as long as you keep saying nice things about Liverpool. Just don't mention Manchester United, that's all... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Sep 18 - 08:49 PM

Hi Mike. Haven't heard from you for a bit. Where art thou!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 02:46 PM

Hi Steve

We have been away in North Yorkshire for a while. Don't use the internet while I am away. Back for a couple of days and then off to North Wales .

I have been able to watch some of the games in pubs etc while away.

Liverpool have looked unbeatable until the wobbled a bit the other night. It was a surprise because the defence has looked so solid.
but Firmino saved some red faces and earned The Pool a deserved win.

I have watched Man United. They have managed to recover from a terrible start and have won the last three games away from home, including a good win last night over Young Boys of Berne. United were overrun on the plastic surface in the first quarter of the game but gradually improved and won relatively easily in the end.

I don't think we are any way near to hitting the standard that we United supporters expect. The defence is disorganised and the attack very wasteful in front of goal. There does not appear to be very much endeavour in the team yet.


I would not bang the drum too much about Liverpool Steve, they have done nothing yet They have collapsed in mid-season too many times recently and have not won anything of note for about a dozen years.

Man City got a shock last night but I didn't see the game. So there is many a slip twixed cup and lip.

Looks like being an interesting season I am looking forward to it.

See Ya

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 06:29 PM

Underestimate us at your peril, Mike. You looked great last night - against very poor opposition. We were playing Paris Saint-Germain for chrissake!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 03:03 AM

Should have popped in Mike. Mind you, it is a big place!

I see City got beat by Lyon the other day. I went to HPs offices in Lyon once. Only works canteen I have been in that serve wine. By way of nothing at all...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:34 PM

hi Steve

I was not and I am not underestimating Liverpool, I was just trying to advise you not to get too confident so soon in the season.

I am aware in the difference which Liverpool played against PSG and in no way compared it to United;s performance.

I said in my earlier post that we are not good enough to take on top European teams -including Liverpool at this moment. In fact I think they will have to improve vastly if the want to finish in the top 6 in the Premiere League.

I hope I am wrong.

Cheers

Mike - heading off to Wales early tomorrow. Good luck for the up-and-coming games.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:42 PM

Hi Dave

Thank you for the kind thought but I don't know where you are and don't know a contact for you. Would have been great to share a drink ( or two)!!!

Shooting off to North Wales tomorrow for a couple of weeks. That is if it is still there after the weather of the last few days.!!!!!   Not sure exactly where we will be staying until we have seen what the weather holds.

cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:54 PM

Between near Skipton, Mike. PM me on here if you are ever in the area.

Oh, 600:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 02:55 PM

Between Skipton and Keighley.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 18 - 03:01 PM

hi Dave Will do...I played rugby at Keighly many moons ago.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 05:28 AM

I see City redeemed themselves yesterday :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 07:03 AM

Whereas Man U were back to routine, complete with José on the whinge. Liverpool on cruise control. Mighty!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 09:23 AM

Don't start gloating too soon Steve, yes United might be a spent force at the moment but Liverpool haven't won anything yet.

Oh, remind me just when did you last win the premiership?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 10:29 AM

Turn the record player off (stuck needle) and enjoy the supreme football, Raggytash!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:38 PM

Do you recall any of the bible Steve?

"oh howe are the myghtie ouerthrowen"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 04:54 PM

We're saving ourselves. And at least we didn't get trashed by Derby County... Bwahahaha!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 05:03 PM

I acknowledge Man Utd are not the force they were and with Mourinho as manager I doubt they will get back to the top any time soon. (Never could take to the man)

However, you play Chelsea away in your next league match, away, and they will not be frightened after that lack lustre display.

Just as a reminder, though we did have over twenty years of consistent sucess.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 06:25 AM

This thread's gone a bit quiet. Are people on holiday? Anyway, Liverpool still look good but vulnerable, while Manchester United continue to stumble along. Interesting times.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 01:51 PM

Is it Napoli this evening Steve?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 02:46 PM

It is, from Naples, Dave, and I have BT Sport Mobile. For the next two hours I am he wot cannot be disturbed...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Oct 18 - 04:55 PM

I thought Utd were bad last night, at least they managed a very poor draw.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 08:53 AM

Commiserations on the result, Steve. I thought you had been quiet!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 12:46 PM

It was a poor do, for sure. Napoli's manager, Carlo Ancelotti, worked out from their pre-season loss to Liverpool in a friendly how to neutralise Liverpool's front three with an extra central defender. Salah hardly touched the hall before half-time and Firmino was anonymous all night. Carlo is a brilliant tactician and just for once Klopp was outfoxed. Let's see if Pep can do the same trick on Sunday...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:41 AM

Hi

I am back from holiday and I don't use the media at all while I am away.

Some of the results did filter through from other holidaymakers so I am am aware of the difficulties of our top sides in Europe.

Apart from Arsenal who have improved after a desperate start.

Ironically Man United remain unbeaten despite some terrible performances!!!

I watched United'd match yesterday when after a diabolical start 0-2, they managed to scramble through to win 3-2 in " Fergie Time".

We need a new defence NOW. Ironic cos last year we were only 1 goal against than the runaway winners of the League Man City.!!

Like many United supporters I don't have any faith in them at the moment.

Can Mourinho create a change of fortune ??? Don't think so. Drastic changes need to be made.

Getting ready to watch City and Liverpool....should be a good match to watch.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 01:36 PM

Edge of seat stuff at Anfield. Liverpool were getting swamped at times and were once again off the pace, but they showed mucho grit later in the second half and it turned into a titanic if slightly raggety tussle. One thing City fans learned: Mahrez is a twat. If you don't believe me, watch MOTD. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 01:49 PM

Wouldn't mind being a quid behind him though!

In the first 10 minutes I thought Liverpool were all over City, after that the match faded into a "none event"

Watching paint dry may have been slightly more entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Oct 18 - 06:53 PM

Well you weren't watching the same match as I was. It was fast, it was ugly and, whilst no classic, it was a contest between two teams who have attack in their bones and who have ultimate respect for each other. I love watching Liverpool, City and Chelsea for their positivity and sublime skill. Wouldn't give you tuppence for any other Premier club. Though who knows: Go, Wolves...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 02:45 PM

Hi Steve

I must have been at the same match as Raggy. I watched a determined game in which two very good teams had decided to not lose.

Consequently we had a rugged game where defence was paramount. Neither goalkeeper didn't have to make a save. Salah hardly ever touched the ball.

A missed penalty - apparently PeP changed a preagreed action to change his Penalty taker as he picked up the ball !! this saved Liverpool and the match just then fizzled out into a tame draw.

Liverpool by the way have not won in their last 4 outings !!!.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 03:48 PM

Defence was paramount because of the attacking instincts of both teams. In this game defence won out. Basically because both teams have bloody good defences. Here's a big clue: the score was 0-0. What Liverpool currently lack is a midfield playmaker. Coutinho has gone and Ox won't be back this season. Just watch Jurgen in the next transfer window...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:39 PM

Hi Steve

" Just watch Jurgen in the next transfer window... ".

According to some rumours being posted. Jurgen will be gone. !!!

In this situation of course we will always be prepared to let you have Mourinho. lol

cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:47 PM

Well, maybe stop listening to rumours is my advice. He's contracted until 2022 and has said many times that his heart is with Liverpool. What's far more interesting is how he's going to find that playmaker who'll set the front three alight again. It could be someone already at the club...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 02:22 PM

Hi Steve

Pogba.......????? If anyone can get him to play and be a team player Jurgen can.

I don't believe the rumours by or about anyone, but sometimes it can give me a laugh.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Oct 18 - 08:42 AM

Hi Steve

Watched United and then Liverpool yesterday.

United did their usual start and gave a sloppy goal away and let Chelsea take command. Second half and the other United turned up. They pressed Chelsea and exposed weaknesses in the Chelsea defence. The result was panic for Chelsea while Martial helped himself to a couple of good goals. They continued to threaten more but then in the 6th Minute of injury time the defence went to sleep and gave away another sloppy goal. United deserved to win but must sort that defence out.

In the Liverpool game they were given a fright after Salah recovered his goal scoring form. They were pressed by Huddersfield who were unlucky with at least two decisons going against them. Liverpool are having to win ugly to get results. Just like united had to do over last two years under Mourinho.

Clopp says that tightening his defence has affected his attacking force, You don't have to be a genious to work that out.

All in all an interesting afternoon of football.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 18 - 03:21 PM

I'll say it again: Liverpool haven't got an effective attacking midfield playmaker at the moment. The defence is very solid, though I think Lovren has had his day. The Gomez/ Virgil pairing is superb and I think that Joe is going to be an England star for many years. Jürgen will either have to groom one of his rather expensive squad (Fabinho doesn't seem to be in favour and Keita is all over the place) or delve into the transfer market. But, for chrissake, we are joint top and we are going to stay there! I thought that Shakiri was an utter menace at times yesterday (tho' definitely a bit on-and-off) and there's a lot of potential there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Oct 18 - 09:11 AM

hi Steve

I know all that.

But last year when United were in a similar position you made some stinging comments about them. .....and by the way we were second in the league and stayed there.....!!!


Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 02:40 PM

Hi

Just getting ready to watch Man United v Juventus in European League.

Should be a good game, I am not confident about United at the moment
they are inconsistent ( to say the least) but hope they can hit their best form.

Looks like a night of two Portuguese, in Mourinho and returning prodigal son Chistiano Ronaldo.

Unfortunately there will probably more interest in these two than will go on the match. Such is the power and interests of the media.

Come on United !!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 05:17 PM

A very poor performance by Man U. I watched the whole thing and there was barely a threat to Juve, who looked incredibly comfortable all evening.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 07:45 PM

We went to Madeira last year and came across the bronze statue of Cristiano Ronaldo on the wide Funchal promenade. He was born and bred in lovely Funchal. It isn't exactly the world's greatest work of of art, but the inscription at the bottom describes him as the greatest footballer in the world. He's a bit of a tit is Cristiano, but he is a damn fine footballer. The bronze of the statue has the usual tarnish - except for the deliberately-prominent "family jewels" region, which has a high sheen. I'm guessing that a thousand young women have posed next to the statue for a photo and inadvertently given yer man's testicles a damned good manual polishing...

Or even young men. Damn.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:30 AM

Hi Steve

Your description of last night's game was on the ball. United slow and sluggish and juventus slick and organised.
The amazing thing was that united only lost 0-1 it should have been a lot more.

We have been to Madeira several times. Once while we were there we went to watch a schools athletics day up above Funcial. Towards the end the Funcial football team came out and had a training session. We stayed and watched some of it. My wife took some pictures. Acouple of years later Cristiano joined Man United. One later I was doing some processing on some pictures and when I looked my wife had taken some greay shots with Ronaldo on them. When she took them we and the World at large had never heard of him. That soon changed, arguably he has become one of the best players in the World.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 09:18 AM

PS I can spell Funchal......lol

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 18 - 07:23 PM

...And a great show from Liverpool tonight against Red Star. Watch that man Shaqiri. He could prove to be the bargain of the century, costing about seven times less than Pogba... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Oct 18 - 02:47 PM

Hi Steve

Great show indeed. Red Star were no pushovers. The went at Liverpool from the start and looked as though they would create some problems.
They took the first 20 minutes with a physical display but gradually Liverpool started to fight back after riding a storm.

The defence conducted by Van Dyjk stated to drive Red Star back with some fine attacking from the back. Soon the inevitable happened and
when Shaqiri made a goal, well taken by Firmino they just rolled over the opposition and won easily taking them to the top of their Group.

For me Van Dyjk was the man of the match as he calmly encouraged his young defender to drive forward and put Red Star on the back foot.

I agree with you about Shqiri - great game - what a great deal.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Oct 18 - 09:10 AM

Hi Steve
Watched Yesterday's game. Not up to Pool's high standard but easy enough to see off a poor team in Cardiff....though they tried hard.

The salah /Mane link was much to good for Cardiff. Salah and Mane feasted on the support from the defence.

I think Liverpool are going to take some stopping.

Now for Man United v Everton. It is very rare for United to be behind Everton in the League when they play each other. Such is the state of United's situation. A loss today could be the end of Mourinho.

Fingers crossed......you can work that out for yourself !!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 09:59 AM

Hi

Man U gave a much improved performance on last week ( but the still have a hell of a way to go).

They moved forward most of the time and looked a far better team on the odd occasions they were attacked. They were the better team and deserved to win but did make it difficult for themselves at the end.

Despite all the problems they are only 4 points off the top four.!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 10:55 AM

But the penalty that Pogba spectacularly fluffed, then got the luck of gods with the rebound, simply wasn't a penalty. The defender clearly went for the ball and got the ball (the replays show the ball changing direction as he made contact). Martial then did the theatricals. Jon Moss didn't have a good view. He's a good ref is Jon but he has a penchant for making occasional fearful cockups, and this was one of 'em. Mark Clattenburg agrees with me (actually, I agreed with him). Viewing the match as a whole I'd say the teams were evenly matched and that Man U didn't deserve all the points. Everton were unlucky. Pickford's totally brilliant, and he's a nice bloke to boot.

At the gathering in Radcliffe after my dad's funeral last week, among others there was me (Liverpool), me Mancunian cousin (Man City) and his younger brother (Man U). It made for an entertaining and animated discussion! They both wanted Salah. Of course they did. I wanted De Bruyne (naturally). Nobody wanted Pogba. Heheh!

Anyway, there's a far more important match on tonight!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Oct 18 - 02:39 PM

hi Steve ,

fancy you playing down a Man performance !!

The penalty IMHO a close one. The defender did get the ball but then with his other leg brought down Martial and prevented him from going for the ball.

I agree with your Pogba comments....he was also guilty of pissing about that caused the Everton penalty. With any luck he will go tp Juventus.
Pity about his attitude but he is a great footballer when he wants to be.

Yes City v Spurs should be a good game but I would have to tale City to win,

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Nov 18 - 11:15 AM

hi

Man UNITED 2 - Bournemouth 1

Just watched this game. This really was a game of two halves. In the first half Bournemouth were all over United whose defence looked full of holes. The midfielders couldn't put 2 passes together. There were no tackles so Bournemouth had the run of the play. No surprise when they went 1 nil up.   United were in total disarray.

Completely against the run of play United equalised. Martial scoring once again.

I don't know what happened over half-time but United came out looking like a different team. Putting Bournemouth under huge pressure and the mid field spraying great passes for the speed of the forwards to run on to. Made a few chances but failed to take them. But in injury time Rashford scored a deserved winner ( just!!).
It was an entertaining game with the result in doubt right up to the last second.

I just wish the could play a whole game like this. We can't afford to keep giving away cheap goals.

Now going to watch Arsenal v Liverpool. This should be a great game and I am looking forward to it.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Nov 18 - 11:55 AM

Man City certainly made mincemeat of Southampton. Made better by watching the match in Florida:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Nov 18 - 09:50 AM

hi Dave

Hope you are enjoying your break in Florida. Never been to the States.
Often wondered what to would be like. But never made it. Bought the place in Spain so we tended to go to European countries.

I watched City slice their way through through a pitiful Southhampton
defense. So easy I think I could have bettered their attempts to hold City off.

God Knows what they will do to United this week-end if they don't improve Satutday's performance.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Nov 18 - 02:19 PM

Hi

Watched Arsenal v Liverpool. It was a cracking game. Both teams attacking all through the game. It was a great game to watch with lots
of incidents and plenty to discuss. Liverpool were unlucky when what looked like a good goal was not allowed by the referee after the linesman waved his flag but then he should have taken it down.

Arsenal played fast moving football and Liverpool replied with some exciting play.

In the circumstances I think that a draw was a fair result.
It is serious up at the top as the loss of two points meant Liverpool dropped two places.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Nov 18 - 09:25 AM

hi sen

You posted this in January. " I know nothing about football (and could care even less!) But I'm told Norwich City aren't doing too well at the moment.

I would like to advise you that as things stand today Norwich City are TOP of the Championship League.!!!!

I once worked with a woman from Nottingham , like you she said she knew nothing about football. She did listen to the scores on the radio.

She told us that Nottingham had two teams Notts Forest and Notts County nil. !!!

Ps many thanks for your wishes for my birthday.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Nov 18 - 11:26 AM

Hi

Red Star Serbia 2 - Liverpool 0.

Watched this; Liverpool adopted a recent Man United fault. They started poorly and allowed Red Star to score two goals that were from sloppy play from Liverpool.

After that Red Star went on the defensive and despite lots of possession Liverpool could not break down the defence. They became careless in their attempts to score but all to no avail.

After this their place in the play off places is by no means assured.

Tonight Man United play Juventus in Turin after being mauled at Old Trafford last week.

They will need to play a hell of a sight better if they want to
oo be sure of qualification.

Got everything crossed.

Cheers

Ps Watching United and Juventus Youth sides playing in Europe.
They are playing much better than the Senior team. Current score 1 - 1 in a cracking game.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 02:35 PM

Hi

Well I never !!!! Man united beat Juventus 2-1. This against the team that is favourite to win the Eu Championship. A team that had not been beaten on home ground since 1993.

We played a much different game to what we had being doing previously this season.

Admittedly they had some luck in that Juventus hit a post and then the cross bar. Cristiano Ronaldo opened the scoring for the home team with a fantastic goal. Man U rode their luck and took the game to the hosts but were unable to pierce the defence of the Italian side. Mourinho made some clever substitutions and Mata scored with a great free kick.
On 90 minutes a scrambled scum in the goal area resulted in an own goal to give United the game. They should now be able the qulify for the knock-out phase but they still have something to do.

Great game to watch - let's hope they can continue this form.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Nov 18 - 06:34 PM

"She told us that Nottingham had two teams Notts Forest and Notts County nil. !!!"

Reminds me of one of St Bill Shankly's favourite quotes: "There are two great teams on Merseyside. Liverpool FC and Liverpool Reserves."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 02:33 PM

Hi Steve

Nice one..lol another classic Shanks ..... wife to Bill Shankly
" Sometimes I think you love Liverpool more than you love me " Replies Bill " I love Everton more than I love you".

Best of luck this week-end. WE play City !!! Hope it is a good game.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 09:46 AM

Hi

Busy day with football 3 top games in TV.

Liverpool 2-v-0 Fulham....Not a great game to watch. Liverpool , by their own standards were unimpressive against the bottom team in the League. There was a controversial element in Lioverpol's first goal when Fulham scored what looked like a good goal only for it to be turned down by the Referee. In the turmoil around the goal Liverpool's keeper took the free kick ( while the ball was moving ??) allowing Salah to break away and score. In an innocuous rest of the game Liverpool scored again and ran out easy winners.

Chelsea 0 v Everton o Good game with underdogs holding Chelsea to a no score draw. Chelsea missed a penalty and wasted a couple of chances. Everton managed to prevent Chelsea from scoring and were good value for the draw

Man City 3 v Man united 1.

United were very poor and were completely overwhelmed by a good City display.United were dissorganised and City played with them. United will need t0 improve or things will get serious. Very dissapointing performance in a match against their local rivals.

On this form City look like repeating last year's winning of the League.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 02:57 PM

The Fulham "goal" was correctly called offside, as every replay showed. Free kicks are taken rapidly like that all the time and are allowed at the referee's discretion. Whether the ball was still rolling or not (if it was, it was moving at less than snail's pace) comes into the realms of things like players not standing exactly ten yards away, players pinching five yards at free kicks or throw-ins, goalies moving off their line before the penalty kick is taken (which they routinely do) and dodgy body contact. It's a game played by human beings refereed by human beings and that's part of the beauty of it. Had Salah not scored no-one would be talking about the free kick. The fact is that Fulham were caught napping, a disgrace when none other than Mo was running free down the flank.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 09:29 AM

Hi Steve

I agree with what you say. I wonder if you would have taken that view if it happened the other way round. I suspect that your view would have been the opposite.

The thing about the rolling ball is that the view was that the referee had stopped the game as he decided whether it was a goal or not.

But you are right it all goes to make the game exciting and interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 09:34 AM

I examine my conscience about marginal decisions when they arise, and I try to be pretty objective. If I think Liverpool have been unfairly awarded a goal I always say so (if asked). I know that footie invites tribalism but that's all part of the fun as long as it doesn't get too serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 02:29 PM

Hi Steve

" I know that footie invites tribalism but that's all part of the fun as long as it doesn't get too serious.".

Very true. While I am naturally biased towards Man United, I am not too serious about it - disappointed sometimes, especially this Season..
As you say it's the game that counts. If we were see you at a Liverpool v Man United game, and Liverpool were to win, I would always shake hands and buy you a beer.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 05:09 PM

What's with the "if," Mike? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Nov 18 - 02:59 PM

Hi Steve

I think it very doubtful that you will come to Old Trafford. Unfortunately this Octogenarian will be traveling too far from my TV.
BUT then again you just never know. Just had Sky Sports put on my BT box. Great, now I can get all the game regardless of which channel are covering the top games.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 09:39 AM

PS Should have said NOT traveling .............

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Nov 18 - 03:08 PM

Hi

Man United 0 v Crystal Palace 0

At a very late stage my son rolled up with some box tickets for this game. So we all went.

How I wish we had stayed at home !!!

United played like a team that hadn't played together before. they were pathetic. They were lifeless and didn't appear to try very hard.
The only good thing was that at least we didn't pay to watch this c**p.

Something drastic has to happen though I don't know what they can do in the short term. We will have to wait and see what the Board are going to to try to sort this out.

Yesterday I watched my recordings of Man City V West ham and l
Watford v Liverpool.

United are light years behind, !!

City are fantastic and are great to watch. They are so impressive that at time they look as though they are playing with 22 players !!

Liverpool had a difficult job against an improving Watford side.
Liverpool were not at their best at first but were patient and the defence held off some threats before they moved up a gear and then there was only one team in it. Again I was taken by the performance
of the two young full backs. Especially Trent Alexander Armstrong
thought Robertson was not far behind. Trent scored a beautiful free kick......talk about " Bend it like Beckham !!!

Liverpool are going to be difficult to beat this next year. They already have two club records. Lowest goals scored against at this stage of the season, and they have not lost in 13 league games.

And they have signed extensions to contracts gor their best players.

Ah well such is life for football supporters.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 18 - 09:13 PM

City are a joy to watch. Tottenham are doing really well and play good, positive football. Arsenal are looking really good. Something seems amiss at Chelsea. Liverpool's defence is impressive, and Virgil is magisterial. Joe Gomez and Andy Robertson are total class. Mané is having a ball, Mo is recovering and Bobby Firmino is beginning to get a grip once again after a few anonymous games. It's between City and Liverpool this season. José will be gone soon, thank your lucky stars.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Nov 18 - 04:12 AM

According to my joyful husband, Norwich are now top of their division and beat Swansea 4 - 1. He's hopeful that if they continue throughout the season in this manner, they'll go up.
If that happens, he'll be down at Carrow Road constantly, watching his adored top teams playing the Canaries.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Nov 18 - 09:06 AM

Hi Steve

I agree with most of your comments. I believe that the rest of the season will be a two horse race for the top spot. The next two places
will be hard-fought by the teams you have mentioned. I think Everton could be a dark horse.

One point though in your comments on Liverpool ...you did not mention Jurgen. He's the difference.

I will be Watching United and City tonight.

I have no confidence in United at home !!! they beat Juventus away and should have lost to lowly Cristal Palace. !!!!

Still that's sport.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Nov 18 - 02:33 PM

Hi Sen

Yes indeed Norwich are top of the Championship League. They have had a golden period recently and have landed at the top having won several games without loss.

I am pleased to hear that your husband is delighted with their performances. I hope they can keep in front. I would love to see them again at Old Trafford. I have seen them twice. Some years ago my wife enjoyed seeing Delia Smith after the game. My wife wanted to see her because she ( my Wife) is a very good cook and she thinks Delia is one of the people who helped her to succeed as a chef when she was starting her catering business.

The championship League IMHO is the most difficult to win as there are about a dozen other teams capable of winning it.

Please give my regards to your husband and I will keep an eye on Norwich's performances in future.

Kind Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Nov 18 - 02:44 PM

Hello there Mike!

Very kind of you to send good wishes for Norwich's success to my husband. He says, "Merci beaucoup Monsieur Michel!"

I've seen Delia quite a bit in the past at St John's RC Cathedral, where I used to attend Mass (I'm C of E, but quite ecumenical!)

I used to love her cookery programmes and have one or two of her cookery books. She has an excellent, simple cookery style using plain, good quality food.

Nice to hear from you again!
Kindest regards,
Senoufou

PS "On the ball City!" etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 18 - 08:13 PM

Well obviously I couldn't watch two matches so I opted for Lyon-City. It was a good game, better by all accounts than the drab match at Old Trafford. City copped two goals from the team second in France, compared with just five in thirteen Premier League games. They are by no means a shoo-in for the title OR the Premier League. The real team playeth tomorrow...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Nov 18 - 08:34 PM

When I said Premier League I meant Champions League. Grr.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 07:37 AM

Hi Mike,

Norwich City follower here. I'm not from there but dad was and I think it was the first team I heard of, etc... I haven't done much, except keep an eye on scores, in years and don't follow much football but they are still "my club" if it comes to the push. A keener period for me would have been early 70s when they got promotion the the old 1st division for the first time.

We used to see the odd game at Carrow Road when we visited grandad, both from N Wales and Kent when we lived there. Even got free tickets there once in the 80s when we (4 brothers) went up with family to Norwich to be made Freemen of the city (dad just wrote to try to book 10 tickets together for a game, explaining why and they gave this), a bit odd in a posh area behind glass but a good view and to cap it off we beat Liverpool 2-1 that day - well for most of us, the partner of one brother was a Liverpool supporter.

Parents were season ticket holders there when they moved to Norfolk late 90s but it's been a while since they could manage that.

Coming on to the recent run, it's been funny at home seeing Farke going from clueless idiot who must go to genius in a short while but I guess that's football and I don't get some mentalities... There are times with dad and a couple of people he talks with where you could be forgiven for thinking that Ipswich finishing bottom with Norwich second bottom and relegated would be considered a better outcome than Ipswich top, Norwich runners up and both promoted but I suppose that's "football rivalry"...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 02:27 PM

Hi Steve

I didn't watch both games at the same time so naturally I chose United. You are right it was drab and again United were lethargic and almost unconcerned. If we had been playing a better team we would have got murdered. As it was after a scramble and a bundle of missed chances by Rashford and Martial , we got into the game and it took a world=class save by de Gea and a lucky goal by Fellainie who looked to have touched the ball in scoring; and lo and behold we were in the next round. PHEW !!!

I am in place for Liverpool game and hope to see a cracker.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Nov 18 - 05:17 AM

Hi

Steve

Paris SG " - Liverpool 1

liverpool were undone in a first half that saw the defence opened up by a classy Paris team. A penalty converted in the last minute of the first half by James Milner gave them some hope of survival. They were better in the second hall but could not penetrate a strong Paris defence. In the whole game the Paris goalkeeper only had one shot to save. That tells the story. Paris exploited some weakness in the defence and particularly played on Joe Gomez who is good when attacking but his defensive game needs sharpening.

They now have to wine by two goals against against Napoli to stay in the Championship. Not an easy task.

Cheers

Mike

One thing that showed itself for me was the way Clopp went and hugged each of his team in turn to give them confidence.

Unlike Mourinho who kicked and hurled a water bag and the he stormed off with even acknowledging
his team even though they had won.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Nov 18 - 05:26 AM

Hi John

I enjoyed your walk down memoory lane.

I had a similar bringing up in football. My father wse Manchester United but his brother who lived in Hillsborough Sheffield was Sheffield Wednesday.

I spent a lot of time with my Aunt and cousins and we used to find ways to get into the Wednesday ground. We did get in most times.

Any one here remember Derek Dooley ??

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Dec 18 - 02:38 PM

Hi

Quick summary of week-end' game

Southampton 2 - Man United 2.

Just one word necessary. RUBBISH.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Dec 18 - 03:45 PM

Quick summary of the weekend

Liverpool 1 Everton 0

Scrawpy bastards !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Dec 18 - 04:19 PM

I've bought my husband a ticket for the Boxing Day match at Carrow Road between Norwich City and Nottingham. And we went down there on Sunday to the team shop, to get him a warm woolly hat and a scarf to wear. They have a huge selection, and he got a reversible beanie hat, black on one side and dark green stripes on the other. Plus a really thick scarf.
He can't wait. Hope they win against Nottingham!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 18 - 06:08 PM

The Merseyside derby was, however, a vintage match, entertaining for the fans from start to finish, and that wacky ending will forever live in the annals of Liverpool folklore. I must confess it was tough on Everton, who have become a really good side under yer new man. I loved reading Origi saying that "Virg" had given him a brilliant assist for his goal!

Hey, Mike, why carry on indulging in self-harm by watching Man U?! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Dec 18 - 09:23 AM

Hi

I have supported ( not always watched due to my other sports activities).

But I have " supported" them man and boy for over 70 years.
Although I am totally dismayed by the current situation I will carry on my support knowing that most teams do go through times of stress. I am confident that they will sort out the problems but I know that it will not be tomorrow and that there will be more poor times to come.

Yes I thought that the Liverpool Derby was a great game and but for a piece of bad luck Everton were denied the draw that they clearly deserved. Liverpool got that little bit of luck that seems to follow teams at the top. But that is football and Liverpool look good enough to really challenge Man City for the top place.

Clopp did his Ussain Boult sic ,act at the end to the enjoyment of all but Everton fans.

The Southern Derby of Arsenal v Spurs was also a cracking game with Arsenal beginning to look like there is life after Wenger. Hope Man United have taken note and are looking for a new person to lift them out of the current problems.

We play Arsenal tomorrow...hope this is the start of a revival.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 18 - 05:56 PM

A tough call is Arsenal these days, Mike. Good to see the Gunners joining the ranks of Liverpool, City, Everton and Spurs in playing positive, attacking football that's great for the fans to watch. Actually, Everton paid the price in the last few minutes of the game by trying to sit on the nil-nil, lest we forget. Apart from that they were great. Football may be big business and all that, but ultimately it's all about providing passion and entertainment, win or lose, for the fans. I doubt that José is listening...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Dec 18 - 02:35 PM

Hi Steve et al.

I watched Man United v Arsenal lat night. I recorded the other games and have only just dug them out.

United's game was exciting but not particularly skillful. United made 7 changes to the side mainly to the defence. Pogba was left on the bench ans wasn't missed. !!!

Both teams attacked but both defences blocked out each other for much of the game.

United came from behind twice to get a 2-2 draw. It was better than some of \united' recent games. Holding a team that has not lost in it's last 15 games is an improvement that we can build on. It was sometimes comical as all four goals were mistakes by the defences. But we were happy to see some organization and hard work being put in.

Cheers

Mike

Not good enough to make the top four.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 18 - 04:04 PM

I hear that the Russian best the Arab. Didn't see the match though.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 18 - 04:05 PM

Best=beat. Or maybe bested?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 18 - 04:30 PM

Fabulous day. Liverpool cruised past Bournemouth at Bournemouth, an inspired performance and a hat-trick from Mo. I've tried my damnedest to persuade meself that his first goal wasn't offside and I've scoured the rules of the game. But I gotta be honest. He was a tad offside. Then Man Citeh were beaten by Chelski which means that we're on top, and the goal difference has been slashed by six. I believe Manure had a good day but I'll have to wait until MOTD comes on. Grand!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 18 - 07:42 PM

And Pep, Gawd bless 'im, was wrong. It WAS a corner. The one that ended up with David Luiz scoring with that superb header. What a man. Man of the match! I've seen so much great football today. Just what the fans deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 12:13 PM

Our neighbour was asking me about the ticket I've got for the Boxing Day match against Nottingham Forest. He said NOT to get one in the Snake Pit, where the opposing team's supporters sit, which is in the South Stand.
So I've just had a look at the actual ticket, and it says South Stand. Gulp!
But at the other end to the Snake Pit. And looking at the plan of Carrow Road stadium, the sign for 'away supporters' only goes along the first few areas. My husband's ticket is in area M, more or less at the other end to the Snake Pit. And printed on the ticket is 'Home Supporters Only'.
I just hope he's not placed all alone in among a mob of Nottingham supporters, who might also be racist.
He says he doesn't mind one bit, and will simply enjoy the game.
Do you think this will be all right for him?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 12:15 PM

And WHAT an exciting game Norwich had against Bolton! Pukki scored at the last possible moment to save the day.
The Canaries really are doing very well so far this season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 01:28 PM

As far as I understand it, the "Snake Pit" is the corner between the Barclay Stand and the Geoffry Watling Stand. I believe it to be an area favoured by some of the more (shall I say) raucous Norwich City supporters.

Away supporters are in the part of the South Stand which is the other side of the Barklay stand.


I'd have thought your husband would be fine where he is which is the other side of the South Stand to the away supporters aread.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 01:45 PM

Oh Jon thank you so much! That's really reassured me.

He has no concept of nastiness around football, and has never in all his years here encountered racism, so he's blissfully happy wherever he goes. I'm a little more aware and protective, although he's perfectly able to take care of himself.

He wore his new scarf and hat today and they were much needed. The wind in Fakenham (Morrisons supermarket) was dreadful.

Hope The Canaries win on Boxing Day!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 02:07 PM

I've just talked to my parents Sen. Their original season ticket seating when they moved here was in the Barklay Stand which is the (how do you put it) "traditional main home supporters end?" but when dad started finding it harder to get to the ground (and I think they also switched to using a coach service that was met by some sort of shuttle buggy thing to the ground), they switched to the South (/Jarrold) Stand and I'd guess not too far off where your husband will be. Their only complaint seems to be that it was a touch stuffy in attitude compared to the Barklay.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Dec 18 - 02:39 PM

That's made me feel much better Jon. Please thank your parents for me.

He's been to Carrow Road before many years ago, when his lovely driving instructor, who was very fond of him, offered to take him to a match as a treat along with his son. He was so thrilled. Wasn't that kind?

And he went on an Easton's bus trip alone all the way to Manchester to Old Trafford, and gazed at the actual ground where all his idols played. He was allowed to put one foot on the turf! And to go into the changing rooms, where a shirt with Rooney's name printed on it was hanging up on a peg. (staged of course)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Dec 18 - 06:01 AM

Hi Sen

I am pleased that your husband enjoyed his trip to " The Theatre of Dreams. We have been there many times.



We also have been on the tour round the ground several times as our children and grand/great children grew up. We were always delighted by the way they they entertain visitors.

I was there last Saturday to see them demolish Fulham. No great deal as Fulham are struggling at the bottom of the League. But at this stage will will take what we can. There was more oeganisation and purpose in this display but we have a way to go to scramble into top four.

I will be watching for Norwich and their march to the top.

Kind regards

Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Dec 18 - 06:13 AM

Hi Steve

I agree that it was a great week-end for football fans even for recorded games.

Liverpool were outstanding and OK, so he was a millimetre offside....great to see Mo back to his best, his last goal was beauty personified .

Congrats on climbing to the top. They deserve it.

Chelsea did you a favour so don't be too hard on them...lol, It's going to be a treat to watch the battle for the top.

Going to watch the Euro games. We are already through so I expect a " strange " team from mourinho.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 05:15 AM

Another epic European night at Anfield. Except for the finishing, Liverpool were superior but millions of Liverpool fans woke up this morning with no fingernails left. And what a last-ditch save by Allison, right up there with Gordon's save from Pele! Well done to Spurs too but I wonder whether Barça disrespected the competition by fielding such a weakened team, knowing they were already through.

As one wag said in the Guardian comments section after the match report, any fan who is tired of Anfield is tired of life...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 05:27 AM

I was just thinking, that remark could have come straight from the mouth of God...Oops, sorry, I mean Bill Shankly...

Same thing anyway I suppose...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Dec 18 - 11:20 AM

Hi Steve

Yes a good game to watch. The winner was in doubt to the very end.

Yes Liverpool were the better team; especially in the second half when Napoli had to open up. This suited Liverpool and but for some very wayward finishing they could ( should ) have scored six. That great save at the end saved them and Napoli's last chance was netted but offside...phew!!!

Well done I really enjoyed it,

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Dec 18 - 06:19 AM

Hi

Valencia 2 - Man United 1

I watched it and maybe it was to be expected with 8 changes but we performed like a group of people who had never met before. No organisation of the defence no apparent plan how to play the game.

The team they were playing were made to look like World beaters when in fact they are a very average side in the Spanish League.

I hate to think what's going to happen at the week-end when we play Liverpool !!!

No Christmas present me-thinks.

heers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Dec 18 - 06:26 AM

With better judgement United could have topped the group and had the prospect of meeting less stern opposition in the next round than they probably will now.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Dec 18 - 02:56 PM

hi Steve

Yes they could have thought it out better but they did't think nor   did ( and most others) that Young Boys would beat Juventus. It's easy after the event to see what they could have done.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Dec 18 - 02:47 PM

Hi

Almost on the eve of the Liverpool v Manchester United game my wife's sister decides to come over from Spain to spend Xmas & New Year with us.

You may wonder why this is a problem????? She is an ardent Liverpool supporter. Can you imagine how I am going to feel when I see her gloating as Liverpool take United apart??

We have let her live free in our house in Spain for for as long as she wants.   Life's not fair. lol

I see Klopps is moaning about having a couple of injured players. ...

He should be lucky !!! We have 37 of them.

Cheers

Mike

Keep Smiling

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rusty Dobro
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 03:07 AM

After a grim autumn, and yet another change of manager, there's figurative light at the end of the metaphorical tunnel: Southampton 3 Arsenal 2, lifting the Super Saints out of the drop zone and ending Arsenal's 22-match unbeaten run. Happy days, until the next plunge into despondency.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 04:26 AM

Of course, the Saints got Danny Ings from Liverpool...:-)

Good few days' work by Liverpool. And is The Special One sunk?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:28 PM

Hi Rusty

I watched that match and was very impressed by Southampton's performance. They looked easily like teams much higher in the league. They had pace, goal scorers ( for once) and they attacked and defended well. I know about their patchy performances but maybe this will encourage both players and the well deserving supporters who were magnificent.

All the best to you and your team -

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:59 PM

Hi Steve

Liverpool 3 v Manchester United. 1

I was unfortunate enough to watch this game as I was embarrassed by such a weak and cowardly performance by a United side that hadn't a
clue how to handle a vibrant Liverpool team that knew exactly what it was doing as it tore United to threads.

United were a disgrace, they could not even pass the ball to each other. they didn't/couldn't tackle and meekly watched Liverpool run rings round them.

In contrast Liverpool were dynamic and had a plan and played to it. If it hadn't been for being wayward in front of goal it could have been a cricket score. The statistics tell the story Liverpool had 40 shots at goal - United had 2.........one of which was a mistake by the goalkeeper.

I don't mean to take anything from Liverpool's display they are light years away in front of United.

Surely the Old Trafford Board must do something very quickly. They need to get rid of Mourinho, Pogba and Sanchez. There are about a dozen more that are frankly not good enough and must go soon.

We know it won't be quick and won't be easy. The youth team could put up a better performance.

To sum up....While I was in the shop getting a paper. two guys were discussing the game. One said to the the other " They have drawn Paris S G they won't be long in there. The other guy said They've got to play Reading in the FA cup !!!!! nuff said.

Cheer

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 08:14 PM

Now we have Fabinho as the midfield playmaker and Shaq-attack completing the upfront Fab Four. We need fear no-one!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 05:21 AM

Bye bye José!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:13 AM

I don't normally relish anyone being sacked, however he will have a nice pay off (18 million was one figure I heard) so he'll not starve.

Let's hope the next manager can build Man Utd back to where the supporters expect them to be ........ at the top.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 02:43 PM

Hi Raggy
Completely agree with you. Jose just had to go. He does so with 18 million smackers in his pocket.

In a ironic way Liverpool did us a favour !! They demonstrated to all just how low United have fallen.

The rumours will start who will succeed him. At the moment the view of some is that they will appoint a stand - in manager. Somebody who understands United and what the require. Ole solskjier (sic) has been mentioned. I would prefer Ryan Giggs to work with Michael Carrick to start the re-building. We need a person(s) who can get back to creating    a youth policy as well as re-juvenating the Premier League side.

It won't be quick, there is a lot to do but like most supporters I don't expect miracles.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 03:49 PM

I fear most supporters DO expect miracles. I reckon at least two yeats before we can compete again.

Next thing to do is get rid of Pogba, he still doesn't seem to understand that no one is bigger than the club.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 02:46 PM

Hi Raggy

I think most intelligent supporters know that they have a huge task on their hands.

I think that what they want is to see United start to fight back and show the attacking philosophy that used to be in United;s DNA.

ole Solskjaer has accepted the Caretaker job with an immediate start.
He will have Mike Phelan, Fergie's old right hand man as his partner, and Michael Carrick to help where necessary.There will be a wealth of knowledge of the Club and how they want them to play. And the Club know what they want and will put money into the project.

Solskjaer has something to prove as his only management job in the Premiere League ended up with Cardiff City going down and he got the sack.

This is different though Cardiff were a very poor side and the Club had no money.

I agree that Pogba should go and with him Sanchez if he does'nt start to earn his huge wages and cost to the Club.

It could be interesting.....we wait with baited breath


Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 02:59 PM

"I reckon at least two yeats before..."

WB and Big Ron, perhaps? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 03:11 PM

Local dialect from Eccles Steve, local dialect !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 06:29 PM

D'you know summat, Raggytash, despite all my years in Radcliffe and the fact that there was always a direct bus from Radcliffe to Eccles, I have never been to Eccles. How can that be. What have I missed?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 18 - 09:00 PM

Can't agree about Pogba, Mike. He could thrive under a less repressive manager. He did win the World Cup for France, lest we forget. A good gaffer could also bring out the best in Martial and Rashford, who have been very badly served by Mourinho. But I hope that Poch stays at Spurs. After all the good he's done it would be miserable to see him leave. Make Zinedine The Twat your target man!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 02:47 PM

hi Steve

Eccles cakes ?????

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Dec 18 - 02:58 PM

Hi Steve

I believe that Pogba is a destructive influence to the other players, regardless of his being a member of the France World Cup Team.

Your other points I agree with. Mourinho was not the right type of manager for the likes of Rashford and Martial....and others, Lingard etc.

How the new "regime will progress we will have to wait and see. I think Mike Phelan will be a valuable asset to Ole as indeed will Michael Carrick.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 18 - 07:41 PM

Damn tough game at Molineux tonight but Liverpool triumphed yet again, in spite of some sloppy passing at times. I thought Wolves were impressive. They're my barber's favourite team and he has a season ticket, as well as a brilliant Black Country accent, even though he lives in Bude. I really could do with a pre-Christmas haircut but I daren't go near him after tonight. It'll have to wait until the New Year now. Every time I go in for a haircut, he and I set Bude on fire with our animated footie talk. Bloody hoot it is. Merry Christmas, Colin, but, after tonight, tough shit!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Dec 18 - 12:25 PM

A great result for Liverpool today and they were'nt even playing !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 02:28 PM

Hi Steve

These days I only need a brush and polish !!!

My hairdresser is the daughter of a well known Man City and England player. - some years back mind.

Believe it or not she supports United ??

Yes Liverpool's win over Wolves was hard earned but they look capable of winning the League to me..

Our first game under Ole was a big change for us. We were actually pressing and tackling for the ball. Cardiff were very physical and the ref didn't seem to bother. Rashford was kicked all over the field and
then the ref gave a dubious penalty against the poor guy.

The game was Very good for us but we must keep our heads. Cardiff were not a big test for them but it helped us to get a good start under Ole
Our defence is not good enough to play with the big boys.

Have a great time over the holiday.

All the best.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 02:45 PM

Just watched 3 great games this afternoon.

1. Rangers v St Johstone. good lively game . the Saints were on top for most of the game but Rangers won in the very last minute,

Villa V Leeds. Villa took the first half 2-0 but Leeds cut it back to 2-2 and won the game with the last kick of the ball to take them to the top of the League.......sorry Sen.

Everton v Spurs

An open high scoring game with the toffees taking an early lead. It was short-lived as the Everton keeper making another howler allowing the persistent Son to score in an open net.

Spurs then overran a plucky Everton side to run out 6-2 winners to only one point behind Chelsea. Dark Horses ???

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Dec 18 - 03:57 PM

Man U did look a lot better. Playing nicely for each other and for the boss. Let's hope it doesn't turn into a honeymoon...

I've always really liked Andros. A bloke with attitood. Whst a bloody goal. Pick him, Gareth!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 02:14 AM

Eeeeeee. Number 6 bus. Used to go through Swinton and past Heaton Park as well. I remember all the blokes having to get off and push up Rainscough Brow one hot Sunday.

Now, back to the footie....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 03:38 AM

Husband has laid out every item of clothing he owns with Norwich City colours/logo, and is trying to decide which ones to wear to the match this afternoon. He's terrified he'll forget his ticket, so it's safe in the zipped pocket of his jacket. He's nearly bouncing of the walls with excitement.
I just hope the Canaries bet Nottingham, or he'll be coming home dejected!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 03:58 AM

That should say 'beat' not 'bet'.
Hope Pukki scores lots of goals. Norwich are second now, and if this continues they may go up for next Season.
Husband will explode!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 02:29 PM

Hi Sen

Phew !!! That was a close one !!! It looked as if Notts Forest had won

especially when Notts. went 3-1 ahead in the last minute but The Canaries rallied and scored twice to get a thrilling draw.

Football at it's best.

Hope your husband enjoyed the game.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Dec 18 - 02:39 PM

Thank you Mike. Yes, 3-3, and last-minute goals (seems to be Norwich's habit lately)
He had an absolutely brilliant time. Was seated between two slightly older couples who were very kind and friendly and he was on his feet most of the time, yelling and shouting (he was a bit hoarse when he got home!)

He found a good place to park the car and walk to the stadium.

He also met a friend of ours, a Gambian chap, who was an acting extra security guard (he normally works at the Airport) He hugged him and they were delighted to see each other.
It was a good match with six goals to watch wasn't it?
I reckon he'll be going again very soon. He really loved it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 27 Dec 18 - 03:37 AM

Senoufou - can your husband tell us NOTTINGHAM FOREST supporters where the 6-7 minutes of added time came from other than the referee's obvious bias towards Norwhch?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 27 Dec 18 - 03:54 AM

Oh dear Dave, I'll ask him. (He's in the shower at the moment)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Dec 18 - 08:07 PM

Pleasure to see Man U playing with the cloud suddenly lifted, and to see Pogba coming into his own. But look at Liverpool. Just a few months to go before Raggytash stops asking that question of his...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Dec 18 - 10:02 AM

Hi Steve

I went to Old Trafford fot the Huddersfield game. Got a ticket at the last minute.

Yes United are playing a much better style since Qle came. Pogba played as if he was interested and after 3 assists in the previous game he scorred two great goaals. I hope Ole can keep him happy because when he tries he is an outstanding player, Maybe Lucacou and Sanchez can follow suit.
Mind you the way that Rashford, Martial and Lingard are gelling they will struggle to get a game.

The defence needs stiffening though before we can be confident. How about letting us have Virgil.....lol ???

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Dec 18 - 02:29 PM

Hi Steve

At the moment there does not seem to be any way of stopping this Liverpool side.

Man City are 6 points back and are a pale shadow at the moment. I could be just a blip but at the moment they look unsettled.

Spurs are having a great run and could be a danger if they can keep this up. Arsenal are a dark horse and could mount an attack on the top. They play Liverpool tomorrow so it may gives us a sign.

But at the moment you would have to fancy Liverpool.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Dec 18 - 04:16 PM

Well, I asked husband about the extra time and he felt it was fair. And as he pointed out, either team could have used the extra time in which to score goals!

We've been over to Carrow Road this morning to get him another ticket, this time for Norwich City v Portsmouth (Jan 5th). The lady got him a seat quite near where he was on Boxing Day.
He can't wait!

And a lady in our village had been at the Nottingham match. She and her husband have season tickets. She'd saved a lovely thick programme especially for my husband, and came round to our house especially.

He thinks he's in heaven now.
It's lovely to see him so excited.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 01:38 PM

Great football from Liverpool so far, Arsenal have a veritable Everest to climb and after Tottenhams defeat today Liverpool seem to be in a very favourable position. Still a long way to go but they look good.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 02:03 PM

Aaaaagh! The Rams beat the Canaries 4-3 today!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Dec 18 - 07:51 PM

The Man Citeh game could be the one that defines the season. Be very afraid, the Pallid Blues!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 03:42 AM

Senoufou - had it been anyone but Derby I would have called it poetic justice.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 03:59 AM

:) Dave! But I imagine seven goals in one match was very exciting to watch, and a knife-edge result.
We got husband some thermal long-johns for the match on Saturday. He was blue with cold after the Notts game.
The match doesn't start until 5pm, and it will be very chilly.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 02:26 PM

Hi Steve

The City v Liverpool game will be a real cracker. The outcome for either side is huge. I don't think it will be a decoder for the Title yet but a loss for City will make life very difficult. Liverpool will continue in their inimitive way.

City will be a hard nut to crack but after a couple of surprise losses the will do all they can to make up - so Pool beware. the presure will be on !!

Cheers

Mike

Happy New Year.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 02:32 PM

Hi Sen

Great to hear about you Husband's interest in The Canaries.
I was keeping a watch on the Derby game. Another high scoring game for both teams. Pity the floodlights went out at a key period. Could have affected Norwich's game.

Regards to you both and Happy New year to yo both.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 02:38 PM

Hi raggy

I agree with your assessment of the League Title.

I watched Arsen get murdered by Liverpool. it was worse than Man Uniyed's hammering.!!!

Arsenal are now only 3 points in front of Man United and I hope our new form will enable them to catch Arsenal and either Chelsea or Spurs who are faltereing as the pressure goes on.

Cheers
Happy New Year.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 02:47 PM

Hello there Mike!

We only heard about the floodlights problem from our Angolan African friend at Tesco this morning. He serves on the fresh fish counter, and told us all about it. He's a ManU supporter, and he and husband reckon things are already looking up for them now that Mourinho's gone.

I got a very nice but rather fishy hug from him!

We both wish you a very happy New Year

Senoufou and Ibrahima

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 04:40 PM

Senoufou, does that mean he was black and blue!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 Dec 18 - 04:45 PM

Hahahahaaaagh Raggytash! Yes, he was. On our wedding day (many many years ago) we parked the car and had to walk quite a way across a pedestrian bridge to the Registry Office. It was November and bitterly cold. Husband was proudly wearing his new white shirt and natty wedding suit; he hadn't long been in the UK. As we walked along I noticed he was getting paler and paler. His nose was almost white. I was beginning to wonder if he wasn't African at all but an imposter!
We still laugh about it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jan 19 - 09:43 AM

Hi Sen

weddings affect people like that.

We had a humorous moment in the Registry Office where we got wed.
My wife's middle name is Una. When we were entering our vows the Woman Registrar Asked me " Do take ......Una Stubbs to be your Lawful wedded
Wife ? I quickly replied " Yes Please ". It lightened up the ceremony somewhat. !!!!

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Jan 19 - 09:58 AM

Hahahaha Mike, that's so funny! Una Stubbs was very attractive wasn't she?
(This is awful thread drift, I'm sorry)

Before our wedding ceremony started, the Registrar took me aside for a private talk. He said he was duty bound to point out to me that Muslim men could have several wives, even four of them, but only one could be a legal wife, and was I aware of this?

I giggled and told him I'd already planned for that. One would do the cooking, another the cleaning and the third the ironing. This would leave me free to relax on the sofa. He didn't quite know what to say, but I winked and he smiled...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jan 19 - 01:46 PM

Hi Sen

Very funny !!

I can't see Una Stubbs doing any of those chores for me...

To get back on thread, I watched Leeds v Notts Forest. It was a strange ( but exciting ) game.

First right at the start Leeds gave away a stupid goal. Then Leeds had a man sent off. Then despite only having 10 men , they went ahead 2-1.
they looked to be controlling the game when another error let Forest equalise. Forest then scored 2 more to run out 4-2 winners.

This should make you and Ibrahima very happy as Norwich earned a draw.

Saturday's game against Portsmouth is in the FA Cup. These are usually exciting games soIbrahima should enjoy it.

Ragards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 11:10 AM

Well tonight is the BIG game so far. If Liverpool win the title is theirs to lose, if city win the game is on again.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 01:13 PM

I must not, will not, cannot be contacted between eight and ten tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 02:39 PM

Hi

Last night watched Man United beat Newcastle 2 - 0.

Quite a good game to watch especially for Man U fans.

Newcastle were very physical - ( dirty ) and poor Rashford was targetted by the Newcastle defence. The referee , one of the top buys ignored most of the fouls two of which should have been penalties.

United found it difficult to penetrate a strong Newcastle drfence. But ironically it was Rashford who broke through. His superb free kick was funbled by the Keeper and Lucacu was first to the ball and he netted easily. A great move featuring Pogba and Sub Sanchez presented Rashford with the chance to put the game to bed,

Much to do yet, especially with the defence which was easily stretched by Newcastle.

Cheers

Mike

PS Jusy setting up for the big game !! Won't invade Steve. Best of luck.

This is going to be a Biggy.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 05:32 PM

Fascinating game, the best team won ....... just.

At least the rest of us can look forward to the remainder of the season, had Liverpool won as I said earlier the title was theirs to lose.

I still expect Liverpool to win the title they'll just have to fight a little harder.

Not a bad thing for those of us who's clubs may, if they're lucky, get into the top four.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 19 - 06:57 PM

Well I'd concede that City edged it tonight. Bernardo Silva played a cracker, Sané was deadly at times and Fernandinho, as ever, was imperious. In fact, I think he was the difference. One of the best on the planet. He neutralised Liverpool's midfield to such an extent that the front three were isolated for much of the game, starved of supply. As good as Gini is, and he is, there's a big need for Jurgen either to groom an attacking midfield playmaker or buy one. There was an an awful lot of square passing going on when Liverpool were in possession, and you simply can't give a defence like City's all that time to get in shape. But the skills and the tactics on display put these two teams stratospheres above everyone else in the league. Gutsy stuff!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 09:04 AM

Hi

Yes a great game to watch - two top teams showing why they are up there.

I think the result was just about right.

had someone offered Jurgen that at this stage of the competition

Liverpool would be top by 4 points he would have bit their arm off !!

My slant is that if Liverpool play like they have been They will be easily able to hold the position without dropping any more points.

But one of the fascinations of sport is that you never can tell what will happen.

This was the best game I have seen in a long time......well done to both teams.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 01:28 PM

Well, he'll be off tomorrow to Carrow Road wearing his new long-johns under his warmest tracksuit trousers, and all his Canaries gear. It starts at 5.30pm, and the weather forecast isn't too bad.

3rd round of the FA Cup.
Wonder if Portsmouth will beat us? Have they got a good reputation/team?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 02:37 PM

Hi Sen

When it is cold we always used to wrap up and we would always have a supply of "Fisher-men's Friend,".

That was some years ago cos my Son now has treated me to seasons ticket for the last several years, he also has a contact where he can get tickets to the big games. These are usually in boxes.

Portsmouth are a top club but over the past few years they have steadily moved down and found themselves in lowly League 2 but are now in League 1 and are doing quite well. On paper Norwich should have no problems but the FA Cup is notorious for upsets.

Hope every thing goes well.


Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Jan 19 - 03:02 PM

Ah, thanks for that Mike. Most interesting. I'll tell him what you said. Fingers crossed!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Jan 19 - 06:00 PM

Portsmouth scored at the very last second of extra time. Final score Norwich 0 Portsmouth 1.
But apparently it was a very exciting match, and husband is learning the words to 'On the Ball City', which are projected on to a screen.
His Gambian mate was on duty as Security again.
Long-johns were successful. Only his nose was frozen, but it usually is in winter!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Jan 19 - 09:10 AM

Hi

Sen

It was a pity that Norwich had a man sent off after only 10 minutes. It meant that they had to play with a man short for almost all of the came. In the circumstances it was a great performance to go right to the end. It is hard to take going out of the Cup like that but in the great scheme of things, the Club will not be too upset . I think that they will see promotion to the Premiere League as the first objective.

Sounds like your husband enjoyed the game regardless of the score.

I have now got my fingers crossed for Norwich in their aim to get promotion.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Jan 19 - 12:50 PM

Do you know Mike, he didn't say anything about Grant Hanley being sent off! I had no idea about it until I just read your post.

We went down to Riverside Morrisons today (just beside Carrow Road) and husband looked longingly at the stadium. He'll be back again in no time I reckon.
His Gambian mate Jammeh (the Security steward) told him he should apply for a Season Ticket, but there's a long waiting list and it costs the Earth.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jan 19 - 04:39 PM

Ooops!












Sorry Steve, could not resist.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jan 19 - 06:08 PM

I'm ashamed of Klopp. Fans deserve their club taking competitions seriously and that did not happen tonight. If he wants to rest his best players he should put on his strongest team from the start and make subs later when we're winning. Liverpool were shambolic for half an hour in the first half. Alberto-omigod-he's-got-the-ball-I'm-having-a-heart-attack-Moreno has got to go, as has Sturridge, and Mignolet, who was at fault for the Neves goal, is just scary. Young guys should have a go one at a time, not three at once. Jones was way out of his depth. A poor do, and bad for club morale.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Jan 19 - 11:00 AM

Hi
Steve....yes Clopp dropped a clanger there.

There was plenty of warnings for him in the previous week.

Man United made 9 changes against lowly Reading which nearly came unstuck. Like Liverpool last night the changes made for a poor game as United struggled to gather some kind of organisation, but they couldn't put two passes together and were outplayed for most of the game by a shot-shy Reading team.

There were a number of other " surprises where managers made unnecessary changes to try to save their teams for oncoming league games.

That's all well and good if it comes off, but Clopp is going to be very sorry if these future games don't come out as he wants.
City will be chasing them hard in the league and Europe will soon be on the menu.

Who knows what this result will do to the players.?

Besides, your point of satisfying the fans is GOOD ONE.

Cheers

Mike

PS we have to go to Arsenal in the next round, I would have preferred
Oldham   LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 09:30 PM

Your football is like the opiate of the masses. In the US, opiates are the opiates of the masses.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 04:31 PM

there are many of us football fans who get no euphoria or even relief from reality with our 'opiates' i'm taking my season ticket from cumbria to partick thistle tomorrow. it will be cold, wet and i'll be with a couple of thousand bitterly ironic old blokes. however, the fresh air on byres road is a lovely change from bitterly divided and aggressive little england. football will be shite but i just love my trips to a saner, safer and funnier world.

(12 poond 60 return on near-empty virgin trains.)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jan 19 - 01:35 PM

Went to the Etihad Stadium to visit the City store today. I was impressed with the improvements to the stadium since I was last there. Even more impressed with the sale at the store :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 19 - 02:06 PM

Great game at Wembley with two good sides. Yes, Man U are playing actual good football. Ole, Ole Ole OLE!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 19 - 03:11 PM

Great match agreed but thanks De Gea United (just won) he had an outstanding match. Without him it could have been 7-1 to Tottenham, although their keeper was superb too.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 02:31 PM

Hi

Yes United under Ole has awakened them to start to play as we know Man United should play.

Recently there have been two great games to watch for excitement and entertainment. Man City v Liverpool was a cracker and last night United v Spurs was a good runner up to that game.

Yes we owe much to David de Geah who had an absolute blinder. However Spurs showed that United's defence is very weak and needs stenghtening as soon as possible. However in the first half United could ( should ) have scored three or four goals but some wayward finishing and good keeping by Spurs' goalkeeper limiting them to that brilliant goal by Lingard + Pogba's superb pass finished by Rashford.

Just of to watch City v Wolves ( on TV . Wolves are capable of causing an upset but I think City will win what could be a good game.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 02:37 PM

I'll be watching. I see that the Guardian gave de Gea 10/10, and they're stingy buggers!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 06:01 PM

Match ruined by an early idiotic foul fully deserving of a red card. The atmosphere was that of a graveyard just before half-time. I gave up at half-time and watched Morecambe and Wise repeats.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 19 - 08:51 PM

Along with the Guardian reporter, I did wonder why City didn't go for the jugular and extend their superior goal difference. Who knows, it could be crucial at the end of the season. As things stand they are just two better than Liverpool, who, in recent weeks, wiped out a massive goal-difference deficit. Just one own-goal after half-time? Feeble!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Jan 19 - 02:44 PM

Hi Steve

Yes I was a bit surprised at City's approach to the situation when it was open to them to improve their goal difference when they had the chance.

My wife who thought that City scoring nine against Burton was " nasty " and maybe yesterday they were being nice to Wolves. lol

I agree that the interest went out of the game. I watched Murder in Paradise to pacify my good lady.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Jan 19 - 02:51 PM

Hi

The chase for the top places in the Premiere League gets hotter.

I watched most of the games this week-end and noticed the strain especially on the top teams. Liverpool had a few shocks in their game with Crystal Palace, After a struggle they eventually won 4-3.
Salah managed to score a couple but once again was seen to dive in the penalty area. If he is not careful he will get a reputation and have the referees watching him closely.

Man City were out of form in a tame first half but rallied to win, Huddersfield 0 Man City 3.

Spurs were given a huge fright by lowly Fulham only managing to
scramble home with the last move of the game Spurs 2 Fulham 1.
Chelsea lost to a improved Arsenal Arsenal 2 Chelsea 0.

Man united only just held off a Brighton chase. Man United 2 Brighton 1.

It looks to me that there will be 2 competitions One for top place by Liverpool and Man City.

There is a chase for the next 2 places contested ever more closely by Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United.

I find it difficult to forecast the third and fourth places.

It's going to be interesting. !!!!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 22 Jan 19 - 09:35 PM

Someone has been lost in an aeroplane over the sea ??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Jan 19 - 04:03 AM

Emiliano Sala (Cardiff City player). His plane went down in the English Channel and only floating debris has been found.
No chance of survival in the sea at this time of year. Terribly sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jan 19 - 02:52 PM

hi sen & Kwberox

The pesron in volved is indeed a footballer - He is Argentine who has been playing in France ...Nantes.

Only last week he was transferred to Cardiff City.

He was flying from France to Cardiff in a light aircraft with just the pilot aboard.

The plane went off air over the Channel Islands and has not been located since.

There are many organisations involved in the search but as yet there is no sign.

The head of the rescue fleet has said that nobody could survive in the circumstances but they will continue to search.

Very sad

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jan 19 - 09:26 AM

Hi

I have been away on a surprise week-end organised as a late Xmas present by my sons and our niece.

They paid for a long week-end for me and my wife to stay in London. They had somehow managed to get tickets for us to go to the Arsenal v Man United FA Cup game. Also we got tickets to see Crystal Palace v Tottenham.

The man united game was a cracker when 2 teams with probably the two worst defences in the league attacked each other all through the game.

United came through 1 - 3 to complete Ole's run of wins to 8. !!

Brilliant to watch.

The other game was not very good to watch except that the underdogs won.

Hoping united can continue their run tomorrow when the meet Burnly in the league. We don't have a great record against them but I hope Ole's march for the top carries on.

SEN I see that Noewich are holding their own. Pity that Leeds won tho.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Jan 19 - 09:48 AM

hi

Oh dear we have drawn Chelsea away in the FA Cup.....just out luck.
Still we have to beat any team to be able to lift the Trophy.

we've done it 12 times before so we should have a go at them.

Cheers Mike

PS Chelsea are the current holders.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 19 - 07:44 PM

Howdydoo, Mike. I've been enjoying watching Man U's revival under Ole (see, I'm not as tribal as you thought!), but he made some strange picks tonight. Why did he leave Herrera out? And Lukaku is a definite bench man in my book. I felt a bit sorry for Burnley, me boyhood team (hail Jimmy Mac, one of the greatest men ever to grace a football pitch), as Man U did one of Fergie's late escape acts (as Ole would know!). Anyway, cheers to Rafa for the favour tonight, and let's hope Liverpool can do the job tomorrow. I have BT Sport Mobile and I'll be watching!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 30 Jan 19 - 09:25 AM

hi Steve

I know that your " tribal" moans are you just getting us going.

I do not know why Ole picked that side. Perhaps he's trying to give some of the younger players a chance for him to see what they can do.

It nearly rebounded on him as Some blunders were made by a couple of his introductions.

Burnley have always had a place in my heart. I used to love the Jimmy Mc.ilroy era. As you say....top man both on and off the field.

We have had a number of battles with recent teams and they have

Become one of our bogie teams.

I watched the City game....They scored in 25 seconds and after that they played a lot of rubbish.

So there you are it's wide open for you. I will be watching tonight. I am sure they will win if they play anything like their top form.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 31 Jan 19 - 02:41 PM

Hi

Liverpool 1 - Leicester 1'

I watched the full game on TV. Almost like the night before ( Man City ) Liverpool shot out of their traps and scored very early on. After that Liverpool appeared to ease up. The game de-generated into a boring game with poor passing and little or no pace, surprisingly, especially for Liverpool. Their defence appeared disorganised. And just before the interval Leicester in the shape of harry McGuire stole a goal from a hesitant Liverpool defence.

Second half was Liverpool trying to pierce a stubborn Leicester defence. Leicester made several breaks and created some havoc in the liverpool team. They more than earned their draw.

Liverpool had a penalty turned down which seemed to have demoralised them.

They still have a 5 point lead but will have to play better than this to win the League.

Cheers

Mike

PS Chelsea got flattened 4-0 to make the chase for top 4 interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 19 - 06:04 PM

A stonewall penalty denied and a stonewall sending-off denied. But a draw seemed fair once those two outrages are taken off the table.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Feb 19 - 02:29 PM

hi Steve

I would'nt describe it as " Stone Wall Penalty and certainly not a sending off. The player had lost control of the ball and it was not certain that he would have recovered enough to have scored.

Penalty yes red card not for me.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Feb 19 - 04:56 PM

A clear foul in the penalty area is a stonewall penalty, Mike. There is nothing in the laws of the game that says the bar is set higher for fouls inside the box. And a very clear foul it was. As for fouling the last man In a clear goal-scoring opportunity, the key word is "opportunity," not "dead cert.".

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 19 - 02:07 PM

Husband has just hollered through from the study that Norwich City are winning 2 - 0 against Leeds, with only 15 mins to go! Pukki has scored, and also Vrancec.
Excellent news! We're still hopeful Norwich may go up at the end of the season, but there's a long way to go yet of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Feb 19 - 02:09 PM

And Vrancec has just scored again! 3 - 0 !!!! Whoo hoo!!
(He's shouting his head off and cheering. The cats are looking rather startled.)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Feb 19 - 06:04 AM

Hi sen

Great result for Norwich. I was watching The Rugby and Football ( not at the same time ) but I did keep my eye open on Norwich. Their win was like a " 6 Pointer " . by beating Leeds.!! Keeping this form up will mean we will be able to play you next Season.

I am getting ready to watch Both Manchester teams which will take pretty well all afternoon.

Hope we get the results that Norwich had.

Regards


Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Feb 19 - 06:13 AM

Hi Nigel

Watched most of the games in the rugby Union 5 Nations Cup.

Wales were great and never gave up after being 16 - nil down. They are going to be hard to beat.

The Scotland game was not convincing as they allowed Italy to get three late tries.

The England v Ireland game was great as England pulled off a great win against the favourites to win the title.

But a great start ball which promises to be an interesting season.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Feb 19 - 03:15 PM

Hello there Mike!
Yes, if the Canaries move up, my husband will be at Carrow Road at every opportunity to watch the top teams play against us.
Trouble is, I suppose the tickets will be much more expensive :(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 19 - 09:45 AM

hi Sen

" I suppose the tickets will be much more expensive :

Yes it is the way of the World. Especially ( but not completely ), the clubs pay high prices for the players etc.

Regards mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 19 - 10:02 AM

Hi

Leicester 0 V Man 1 United

Another win for Ole and his push for the top. United won ugly after scoring early on the decided to sit on the lead and trust to create break-away goals. Unfortunately Leicester did the same until almost the end. Still , this is a good win after all Liverpool could only draw with them last week and L.Pool were at home and we were away.

I watched City 3-0 but not a good performance from City.

Liver Liverpool I think they are getting nervous ..... what Fergie used to call " Itchy Bum Time. !!!

I'm already for tonight ti watch Liverpool v West Ham = on paper an easy game for pool but there have been so many weird results recently you just can't tell.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Feb 19 - 11:15 AM

I see today they have found the submerged fuselage of the small aeroplane which Emiliano Sala was using to fly to Wales. They have observed one body in it.
Terribly tragic, his poor family. RIP Emiliano.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 19 - 02:34 PM

Hi Sen

Yes they have announced what you said. I an interview just now the head of the recovery Company has said that their is a difficult task ahead of them to recover the passengers and the investigate what happened.

Terrible thing and my heat goes out to all his relatives and friends.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Feb 19 - 04:54 PM

A mediocre display from Liverpool tonight. West Ham (a team I hate, they ruined my 9th Birthday and I've never forgiven them) could have been 3-0 up at half time.

I say 3-0 because Liverpool's goal was offside by a country mile.

If they continue to play like that they've not a cat in hell chance of winning the title and you may not believe this Steve I would like them to.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 19 - 06:16 PM

The linesman was watching the byline tussle involving Lallana and a couple of West Ham players in case of a tight throw-in call, so he missed the offside. Later on, Salah was called offside when he was almost through on goal when he was clearly onside. It just happens, though I hear that Liverpool are accused of gaining more than they lose over a period. Dunno. Liverpool were nervy again, and they need to keep Lallana, Keita and Matip on tbe bench and get Hendo and Gini in the midfield. Let's hope the Ox gets a game or three this season and that Joe Gomez gets well soon. West Ham did park the bus brilliantly for long stretches. A draw seemed fair in the end.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Feb 19 - 09:28 AM

Hi

I have not been able to watch this week's matches due to a problem with my Broadband. I think the comments on refereeing are fairly common.

In my experience in playing Rugby ( both Union and League),and Cricket
Any bad decisions that tend to go to the top sides. In RU certainly their was quite a lot of politics involved as the refs were pressured to favour the top teams.

Regarding the current football situation the top 6 teams are in a tight scramble for the top positions . Any poor decisions become more important.

I was able to get to the Etiad to watch Man City comfortably beat Everton to enable them to ( temporarly ???) take top spot. Liverpool
have a game in hand to re-take the top.

I wonder what Clopp will try to take an advantage....don't think he will get away with clearing the pitch !!!!

Looking forward to both the rugby and football matches coming up. There are some mouthwatering ones as the European Championship matches start after the recent brake.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Feb 19 - 10:59 AM

Hi

Don't know why I posted " Etiad" ...I must be still messed up by losing my broadband .....of course I should have put Goodison.

Doh

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Feb 19 - 06:08 PM

Klopp had nothing to do with clearing the snow from the box. Out of his control and not urged by him. You can look it up.   

Pep was right about getting the best goal difference possible. Attempts in that direction would make for much better football.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 08 Feb 19 - 11:23 PM

Yes, if the Canaries move up, my husband will be at Carrow Road at every opportunity to watch the top teams play against us.

Still a fair way to go Sen and say the top 10 in the Championship are pretty competitive. Sheffield United (playing one more game) took pole position last evening, being 3 goals up against Villa but Villa pulled 3 goals back in the last 8 minutes (plus extra time).

If they do go up, the next challenge would be to stay up. Since I moved to Norfolk I think they went up under Nigel Worthington (to be ended by a disastrous last game when Norwich gave up against Fulham) and under Paul Lambert.

It seems a long while since they had better stability up there. Their best seasons were in the early days of the Premiership. They did finish 3rd one year and the next, become the first English team to beat Bayern Munich on their ground in the UEFA cup but then things went wrong (and there were a few questions over the then chairman, Robert Chase and his spending policy/the clubs finances). I doubt we’ll see those days again.

As said before, on off following with me but I've often at least kept an eye on things.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 08:21 AM

I see that the Police have been involved with some Southampton supporters who thought it amusing to make aeroplane gestures and taunts toward the Cardiff supporters in mockery of the death of Emiliano Sala.
I can't understand their mentality at all.
How terribly cruel and absolutely disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 09:02 AM

Things I can't understand either Sen. A couple that stick in my mind were.

A trip to Millwall back when we lived in Kent and in the bad old days. The guy probably was an idiot being dressed in green and yellow (or at least my parents had none of us with anything identifiable) and the scene was a massive crowd chasing one person with police on horseback coming in to split things up.

Another was a Stoke supporter who seemed to thing it quite clever to nick the bobble hat from my probably about 7 tear old brother's head...


On the other hand (they won), Spurs vs Norwich league cup final where we bumped into a lot of Spurs fans on our way home was very friendly. Also and later (I didn't get to this one but other family did), Sunderland vs Norwich actually led to "The Friendship Trophy"

It can all be a bit of a mixed bag, I suppose. Once in a blue moon, I used to like going to a particular pub in a Welsh village to watch a football match. You could guarantee a lot of "piss taking" from supporters of different clubs but could be sure everything was in good fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 11:46 AM

Like you Jon,I reckon 'banter' and a bit of piss-taking are quite all right and can be funny.

Usually Norwich supporters are reasonably well-behaved and manageable.
There are only a few extra Police officers stationed around Carrow Road when there's a big match on.

But I believe some clubs have notoriously rumbustious supporters and a few who are downright nasty, which spoils the Game and brings it into disrepute.

Mocking opposing fans about the tragic death of a young man in an air accident is nothing short of evil though. Ignorant louts.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Feb 19 - 12:06 PM

HA!! Norwich 3 Ipswich Town 0 !!!
Great result! Husband doing a male version of the Mapouka in his study.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 19 - 08:20 PM

Ole's bubble has finally burst. Man U were ramshackle against an undistinguished PSG (apart from Thiago Silva and Di Maria). You'd better hope that Martial and Lingard are OK, because Mata has shot his bolt and Sanchez has never even had a bolt... and Pogba, grow up and behave yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 09:37 AM

Hi Steve

I have have only just been able to use broadband and my landline since last Tuesday so have not been able to get any football on tv.

I was at Old Trafford last night and saw United overcome by a much more superior team. We really knew that this had to come sometime. Most of my United pals were prepared for it. We did not think they would be able to stand up to the top teams in Europe.

Philosophically perhaps last night will be a guide to our weaknesses.

Chelsea next then then Liverpool ( I think). We will have to play better than what I saw last night.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 19 - 05:52 PM

Well I watched the first half of the Spurs match and feared the worst. I had to be sociable in the second half so could only glimpse occasionally on me silenced iPad. I was delighted with Spurs' second half performance. I've always enjoyed watching Spurs! Go, Poch!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Feb 19 - 09:37 AM

hi Steve

I have finally ( I Hope ) got sorted out with my phones, Broadband etc.

So I was able to watch the whole match on my big TV.

You are right , the first half looked grim for Sours but the second half was completely different. Spurs took the game to Dortmund and attacked them having pressed them into making mistakes.

They were worthy of the score and they don't appear to have missed "Arry" or or Deli the belly flop merchant!!

I am licking my wounds from United's performance on Tuesday. We knew we hadn't a hope of winning the Euro Championship, but going out like that !!! without a whimper was more than disappointing.

We'l have to see how we go on against Chelsea in the FA Cup.

Cheers

Mike

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 12:09 PM

Ha! Norwich are top of their league with 63 points, and Ipswich are at the very bottom. We scored 4 goals today against Bolton. Hope this continues. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:34 PM

Phooey. I went to school in Bolton and the best bloody chippie this side of the old panhandle was situated just opposite Burnden Park, close to the bus stop where I many times caught the last 36 to Radcliffe after getting well pissed in The Trotters, the pub next door to the ground. I'd love to see the Trooters back in the top division where they truly belong.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 16 Feb 19 - 03:56 PM

Well, the Trotters are currently 23rd Steve. But it's still early days.

It's amusing that Ipswich are the Canaries' old enemies, and we're at the very top while they're right at the bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 03:21 PM

There's early days and early days, Sen. Even if Norwich were to lose all remaining games and Ipswich were to win every one of theirs, Norwich would still finish above Ipswich.

I'm afraid both Ipswich and Bolton are involved in the battle for safety down the bottom. A good run of form could still see either achieve this but (and maybe it's just me) I'd be particularly doubtful about Ipswich achieving this.

I think the Norwich result was a great recovery from the 3-0 loss against Preston mid week. Leeds still have a game in hand and could go top but Norwich are still in there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 04:21 PM

Well .............. as a closet Preston supporter (my Dad was born in Rook Street, the same street that the ground is on) I kept quiet about Preston's humiliation of Norwich.

As for Notlob (you have to be Lancastrian to get that straight away) they look like they're are going to be relegated ..... again.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 19 - 05:13 PM

Aye, Notlob it always was. Nat Lofthouse was their glory boy, though not with Man U supporters after he'd bundled their goalie into the net then got away with it. As for Preston, well they had the Preston Plumber, the greatest of the greats, the sublime Tom Finney. And when I was fourteen we played Preston Catholic College and I got Thornleigh's second highest score of the cricket season. AND I ran one of their lads out with a spectacular throw at one stump, a direct hit, from the square leg boundary. I got a mention in Thornleigh College school magazine for my exploits in that match. My life's been downhill ever since. If only my mum had forced me to wear my ugly NHS specs, I'd have been up there with Botham, no messing.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 06:40 AM

Hi Raggy

I think that NOTLOB will disappear from the League. They are in a terrible state and have huge money problems.

It is a great shame that one of the best teams almost since since the formation of the league are in this horrible state.

I remember the Nat Lofthouse days. What a great footballer and model for many players but most clould not reach his standard.

I hope I am wrong.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 07:14 AM

I hope you are wrong Mike, The first match I ever saw live was Bolton V Preston in about 1965, a 0-0 draw.

I fact I've only ever been to three live matches and have never seen a goal scored live. Two 0-0's and I left the other ... Oxford V somebody at half time when the score was 0-0 !!

Great result for United last night, Chelsea were played off the pitch.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 07:41 AM

In me student days on one occasion we drove in my mate's Standard Eight from London to Reading to see them play Bury. We got stuck in an almighty traffic jam just outside the ground. With windows wound down we heard three almighty cheers and one weaker cheer from inside the ground. We got in ten minutes late to find that the score was already Reading 3 Bury 1. There was only one other goal in the game, a Reading penalty. Buggeration.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 10:54 AM

We didn’t get to many games but I think our late one was at Molinieux. A big roar from the crowd as we entered the stadium which we assumed was a goal but, no, Trevor Hockey had got sent off. He didn’t play that many games for Norwich and memory is a bit foggy but I seem to remember him as being a bit of a liability.

Mind you, I think Norwich’s regular centre half could pick up a few bookings. Though I liked him and he gave many years good service for the club both as a player and later on the staff. Last I heard of him, reported on local tv, he was in a nursing home with Alzheimers. I guess it can strike anyone but he was another of the players where the impact of frequent heading of the ball was questioned. Apparently before the illness struck, he would pride himself on being able to listen to the football scores read out and recite them all accurately.

Only local interest I suppose but he was popular and a one time “hero” of mine though if I could have emulated anyone, it would have been Kevin Keelan, a goalkeeper with quick reactions and capable of quite instinctive saves.

Unlike Steve’s (jesting) “I could have been someone” (to which a Pogues line could come to mind…), I don’t think I’d have gone anywhere in sport. I did play in goal in primary school and 1st and 2nd year secondary school but lost confidence after heavy defeats against both Caernarfon and Aberconwy. I might have tried to pick up again when we moved to Kent but the school was one season hockey and one rugby union (neither of which I liked at the time, never got on with hockey and being left handed or then saw a point in rugby) but would never have made the grade, plus most goalies seem to be over six foot and I never grew that big.

Cricket. I suppose in my dreams, I could have batted like Viv Richards or bowled like Michael Holding – WI had loads of talented players when I started to take an interest in test cricket in the 70s but, realistically, the only thing I was reasonably able at was catching a ball. Even then, not that marvellous – I’ve seen plenty where I can wonder just how in the hell the fielder even got to the ball – others where I may feel that Boycott’s granny as well as me couldn’t possibly have made such a hash of things.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 11:35 AM

May I just namedrop, Jon? Garfield Sobers, Frank Worrell and Sonny Ramadhin lived in my town, Radcliffe, and they frequently partied a few doors down from us - in Everton Weekes' house!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 11:50 AM

Sonny Ramadhin was the landlord of the White Lion in Delph at one time. A fact my father used to remind me of every time we drove past it!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 11:54 AM

A bit before my time, Steve - my memories start with the Clive Lloyd captained sides but some great names there!

Am I right in thinking that the Lancashire League (as well as possible county outlet) has seen a good few future stars pass through?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 Feb 19 - 02:32 PM

hi raggy

Yes United played well after their slip-up against PSG in Euro Championship.

Pogba and Rashford carved huge holes in Chesea's defence. Second half they played a defensive game - they did so well that although Chelsea was allowed over 80% of the possession United's Keeper did not have one shot to save.

We have been drawn away v Wolves ( Yes yet another away to Premier league sides. I watched Wolves over the weekend. They are a good side.
And they have a manager who can out-sprint Clopp !!!!! lol

Just off to watch Liverpool play Bayern.....Should be a cracker.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Feb 19 - 09:01 AM

Hi

Liverpool 0 v Bayern 0

By no means a classic. Liverpool were held to a goalless draw in an uninteresting game. Liverpool did create a few half chances none of which was converted by the usually prolific strikers. Mane was the major culprit. Salah was shackled by a very experienced defence.

The game became one where both sides had settled to a tactic of spoiling.

I believe the 2 legged matches create a more technical game where the home side has to try to defeat teams that purely try to stop the away side from scoring what is known as a valuable thing to take for the home leg.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 09:13 AM

Hi

Bayern 2 v Man City 3

This was a great game - highly entertaining but sometimes for the wrong reasons.
City started the game in their usual attacking mode and That consistant striker Aguero put them in front after a horrific mix up by the hosts....... Game over we all thought. Not a bit of it. The referee was handing out Yellow cards like The Salvation Army handing out the War Cry.

A decision for hands in the penalty area took 4 Minutes to award the penalty. The penalty put Bayern level and after this the physical Germans dictated the game with some good counter attacking but they could not score. Then another penalty for a push in the area gave them another penalty which again was converted.

From then on it looked all over when City had a player sent off.

But a crucial substitution brought on Mane ( who used to play for Beyern ). A stunning free kick levelled the score against the run of
play and in injury time Sterling tapped in a winning goal.

Job done.

Highly entertaining fare.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 06:23 PM

I understand that the away goals rule will be dropped next year.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 19 - 07:35 PM

Er, and it wasn't Bayern, Mike...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 04:26 AM

When will the chelsea manager be sacked? after the man city match?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 10:43 AM

Hi Steve

I must have Bayern on the brain.....I wonder why???

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Feb 19 - 10:46 AM

Hi

Sandman

I think it unlikely. Unless of course they can wangle their way into getting a good replacement - Not easy at this time in the Season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 04:56 AM

Not the old rivals spectacle we wanted to see, eh, Mike. I've seen less carnage in episodes of Holby City. Gawd knows what's happened to our misfiring front three of late. I think that all those early injuries must have had an adverse psychological impact on both sides. We'll take a point each and try to forget it. I hope that Rashford didn't hobble himself even more by carrying on. I loved seeing that placard in the crowd, though, which read: "I support two teams, Man U and whoever's playing City." :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Feb 19 - 09:54 AM

hi
Steve

I agree the game we expected did not happen. Like you I think the injuries spoiled the game. I thought Rashford should have gone off - he could suffer for his loyalty.

In the circumstances Ole did what he needed to do in reverting to a totally defensive game. Liverpool were surprisingly poor and United actually had more shots on target and had two close efforts to score.

I do not remember a United / Liverpool game where Liverpool did not even test De Geah,

I suppose a point each was fair but neither club wanted that.

I watched the City game. - close call th City who took the first half without scoring and Chelsea looking dangerous but City kept them out.

The penalty shootout was marred by the incident of the Chelsea keeper refused to come off to the Manager's order.

City won the shootout. Strange ????

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 19 - 06:19 PM

Howdy Mike. Liverpool firing on all four again tonight and City spluttering. Well done Ole, though as I type I haven't seen Man U on MOTD as yet. Good to see Man U playing the sort of footie we haven't seen since Fergie's early days. As Spurs lost, it looks like a two-horse race at the top. I'll bet you five bob that Liverpool edge it...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Feb 19 - 09:50 AM

hi Steve

Yes Liverpool were back to their early seasons form. They pressed Watford and attacked dangerously ( for Watford ) with many attempts. The big hitters were back to form and goals just had to come as Watford buckled. Good to see Mo impressive and Mane getting back on the scoreboard. His second goal was outrageous and entertaining at the same time, Trent was back and in my opinion was man of the match.

City were scrambling and just made it through.

I watched Tottenham v Chelsea. Spurs were not a match for a
re-juvenated Chelsea. It was a tough encounter with flashes of agreesion from both teams. Harry Kane was not in the game at all and the second Chelsea goal was a farce. They will need to do better if they want to get into Europe. Arsenal won 5-1 and with Chelsea back and Man U winning, anything can happen.

United were hard hit by injuries and had to male 8 changes. Lucaku scored twice but even at 2 nil United did not have it all their way. Some wayward finishing helped United and until Young scored a third goal, Crystal Palace looked dangerous. This United team don't give in and in the end JUST scrambled home. I hope they can get some of the injuries sorted as we will need to to get into the top four.

Alltogether it was a good night for NW England teams

CHEERS

Mike

PS I wouldn't bet against Liverpool.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Mar 19 - 06:58 AM

HI

Man United 3 V Southampton 2.

I was lucky enough to get in a box with my son and his Dutch colleagues.

This match crackled from the kick off until the final whistle.

United could easily have been three up in the first 10 minutes. But
Southampton had come to win this game and counter-attacked and pressed United giving them little space. Against the run of play they scored a fantastic goal and continued to attack. They could have had two penalties with close decisions.

In the second half United opened up and a great goal by young Pereia ( his first) put them back in the hunt. Lucacu made it 2-1 and Southampton equalised with another fine goal. Lucaco put Unided ahead
and Pogba missed a late penalty.

Great game.

Now getting ready for 3 matches this afternoon with the mouthwatering prospect of seeing Everton and Liverpool. Phew !!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 10:02 AM

And City go top again !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 02:21 PM

Hi Raggy

Yes the drive for the title hots up.

Both City and Liverpool look as though they are feeling the pressure.

I think Steve's " Five Bob " is in geopardy. I don't gamble or I would take him on. lol

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 03:47 PM

Well MikeL,

City have been there, read the book watched the film and got the T shirt (and the medals)

Liverpool who have played some wonderful football this year seem to be "bottling" it.

I hope for Steve's sake I am wrong but if I were a gambling man my money would be on City.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 19 - 07:57 PM

In the next few weeks Liverpool will have Joe Gomez, Lovren and The Ox back. No more need for reshuffles at the back and The Ox running fearsomely at the bastards from midfield. And who bloody gets past Virgil and Allison? And have you SEEN how beautiful Allison's missus is! We have an easier run-in than City and we never lose at home. If you think we're wavering then you seem to have forgotten Bournemouth and Watford. Be very afraid, Citeh!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 04:55 AM

I hate to remind you Steve that just after New Year Liverpool were SEVEN points clear of City at the top of the table. Two months later they are 1 point behind.

That is not to say Liverpool are playing badly but it does not say that City are playing better.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 04:57 AM

Hmm a "not" in that sentence shouldn't have been there. It should read:

That is not to say Liverpool are playing badly but it does say that City are playing better.


!&*??$£&*!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 09:55 AM

Hi

I don't think either team is playing at their best. I take in all of Steve's points but .....do I detect hope in there?

Another thing to consider is that City has more titles to win and this could be a factor. plus City lost arguably their best player and they have not announced how long he could be out. I refer to de Bruyne.

There again City have much more experience in landing a Premier League Title.

Take your choice but it's going to be close.

Cheers

Mike

United have now lost another player to injury. - Sanchez is out for rest of season.
They have to play Paris St. Germain in Paris and they have 9 Ist team injuries. If that is not Ole is scraping a team together but if that is not enough we are already 2 down. !!!!! I heard he was searching the under 10's ......lol

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 02:36 PM

Hi Sen, hope you are "listening"   

Last week I saw a guy talking about the Championship ( Norwich etc).
is going.

He said that this Season there have been 29 changes in the top two places. He described how this League is the most difficult one to win. There are many good teams that keep keep on beating each other and he reckoned that even at this late stage in the season that about 15 teams have a chance to get in the top 4,!!!
Norwich and Leeds are the front runners to be Champions but several teams can still challenge for this.

I do keep a watch-out on this situation and find it fascinating.

regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Mar 19 - 02:58 PM

Pelé sez that Liverpool will win the league. That's good enough for me...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 02:43 PM

hi Steve

"elé sez that Liverpool will win the league. That's good enough for me".

I wonder what you would say if he said that Man City would win it ??

And besides , great player that he was, what does he know about winning the Premier League ??

Just getting ready to watch United play in Paris. We all expect them to get knocked out but hope they can prevent a landslide..

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 04:57 PM

Astonishing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 05:13 PM

Oh ........ one more thing before Steve says it.

That was never a penalty!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 19 - 05:54 PM

Yes it was. He left his arm flailing, which he didn't have to, turned his back and hoped for the best. Good call, ref.

And I'm a Liverpool fan.

Ole is the best thing to happen to English football for years. I bloody enjoyed that tonight. Fight, spirit, history, it was all there. Only Liverpool will stop Man U from winning the Champions League!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 06:53 AM

hi

Definite penalty . Steve is right. T guy deliberately and stupidly played the ball. The ref had checked it out TWICE.

But hey what about the game United did something that has never been done before in the Eur Championship, They came back "from the dead"
against the favourites to won the title.

Lukacu scored two more to make it 6 in the last 3 games.

Remember they played this game with 10 regular players out injured and pogba banned. they had 4 teenagers who had never played in a big game like this.

They played to Ole's plan ......and it worked.

Huge credit must go to the whole team.

cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 07:24 AM

Man U playing good, fast, spirited, positive football is vital for the Premier League. It's been way too long since we've seen it. United and Liverpool are talismanic for British football (not City or Chelsea, not never!) and we need both firing on all four. Really good last night and they deserved to go through. I've going to have to watch more of their bloody matches now. I haven't told Mrs Steve that yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 09:25 AM

Hi Steve Couldn't agree more with you.

The introduction of Jurgen Clopp is a breath of fresh air in the Premier League and indeed in Europe.

Man united have not really entertained since Fergie left.

Moyse, Van Gaal and recently Mourino lacked the ability to create a top team. Let's hope that Ole gets the call at Old Trafford.

Last night I noticed Tergie having a long serious chat with Ed Woodward. Fergie has made it obvious that he wants Qle to be offered the job.

There are some important games coming up this week-end. Can't wait !!

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 19 - 10:22 AM

Explaining how PSG came to lose, the Guardian wrote this, which I love:

"In part, it’s true, that’s down to the frankly inexplicable magic of Solskjær, Dorian Gray as the Milky Bar Kid, living his eternal 1999. But it’s also down to the fact that PSG are the opposite of what Solskjær represents. He is romance and fun and loyalty and doing your job even if it frustrates you; open them up [PSG] and where the heart should be you’ll find a fetid roll of banknotes. When it comes to the crunch, doing it to enhance the reputation of a faraway state seems not to stir the loins. We’ve seen this before, of course, most notably when a 4-0 lead was squandered two years ago...."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 08:51 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 09:40 AM

Sure, Mike. The Championship can be a difficult league to get out of and for those that follow (even if just keeping track like me), this year is particularly interesting. In one sense, there is more there than (unless we count in Leicester) than the Premiership where there are few clubs to look consider at the top. On the other hand, I think after getting there, maintaining some sort of mid table stability (sort of thing I'd imagine Norwich would aim for) in the Premiership is another huge step and not one Norwich managed in their last couple of promotions...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Mar 19 - 02:36 PM

Hi John

I agree that who-ever gets promoted to the Premier League will find it difficult to stay there. So most teams do aim purely to stay up until they get to grips with what the experience of being in the Premier league is all about.

Wolves this year are a revelation and hold a position in mid-table. History tells us that most clubs that get promoted don't stay there more than 2 years. It is a rocky road.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 19 - 05:27 AM

Reality check for Man U, even though they played well. Places 3 and 4 in the top four looks like a gritty battle coming up. Liverpool back to something like it after that disgraceful shenanigans in the first few minutes which not only gave Burnley a goal but also got Allison booked for his justifiable rage (unless he swore: I hope not as he's a good Catholic lad like me). Burnley are not the kind of elegant Burnley I revered as a little lad...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Mar 19 - 09:30 AM

hi Steve

Yes the bubble had to burst sooner or later. It's been a great run and our season looks much better than when Mourinho was in charge.

Arsenal are a tough team to beat at home and we had the chances but did not take them. Plus a penalty that never should have been. We are still some way yet from being able to field our best team.

We have a daunting run in to the end of the Season so we will need the best team to be available.

I was pleased that even though we were losing Ole had the strength of character to call on a very young player to get some experience in playing in the Premier League. Mason looks a good prospect.

I watched Liverpool and even though they gave away a silly goal they settled down and won very easily. They, like United missed some chances but Liverpool had the bottle to keep at it and they got 4 to win a place back at the top.

Watched Chelsea - they got an undeserved late goal.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 19 - 02:38 PM

hi

Just about to watch Liverpool and Man City play their respective games. Both on at the same time so will be changing channels regularly.

I watched Liverpool play Zagreb in the Under 19's of the European Cup. It was an entertaining game which was decided on penalties which Zagreb won. Some very good players in both teams. Looks good for Both Clubs as such good talent.

Good luck to both City & Liverpool.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 19 - 02:55 PM

Doh

Just found out that Liverpool play tomorrow.....silly Billy




City just kicked off Must go    Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Mar 19 - 10:26 AM

Hi

Bayern 1 - Liverpool 3

Great game to watch. Liverpool were by far the better side. They play as a team and have a plan. Every Liverpool player contributed to this great result. The two outstanding players were Virgil - surely the best centre back in the World. And Mane was exciting to watch as he scored his goals.

Liverpool now go into the quarter finals and if they play like this they must have a great chance to go all the way.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Mar 19 - 10:27 AM

hi

I see that Norwich are still playing leap-frog with Leeds.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 19 - 07:28 AM

Wolves were magnificent against Man U. Nuno will be a national treasure before too long, and already he doesn't need his surname any more, fine though it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Mar 19 - 11:00 AM

hi

Steve

ted off the pitch. After the recent improvement mysteriously they were back passing back and seeming to have lost any pace.
Pogpba was invisible, Martial could not make any progress and in general the whole team was " off colour "
In contrast Wolves were organized and knew what they were doing. they are a great team and I think they will take some stopping.


Liverpool have just scored.... Mane of course.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Mar 19 - 12:15 PM

hi

Liverpool won 2-1

Not one of their best performances ....but hey....they go top.!!!!!

Clop must be getting info from " up There ". He brings on his penalty taker and within 2 minutes they get a penalty.

Just off to watch Chelsea v Everton......weird lol

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 19 - 02:38 PM

I can't take two whole matches in one day. I watched Fulham-Liverpool and saw Liverpool win dirty. Gotta be done sometimes!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Mar 19 - 07:28 AM

hi steve

Because of the very inclement weather we just stayed in and watched sport all day 111

We started with Formula1 - Hamilton came 2nd.

Then watched Dundee v Celtic - Celtic scored in the last minute.

Brighton V Millwall - very exciting game which Brighton won after Extra Time and penalties.

Everton 2 - Chelsea 0. Chelsea were crap.


And of course Liverpool 2 - Fulham 1 . scrappy game but Liverpool were always going to win it.

phew feel tired after that lot !!!!!!!!!!.

I know !!!! get a life !!!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Mar 19 - 11:37 AM

Hi

The Euro Championship is under way.

England 5 - Czech Republic 0

Watched the whole game.

After a very dull start England went ahead through Sterling and just before the interval a penalty was converted by Kane. The Czech team came out and attacked bur England had too much for them and ran out winners. Stirling ended up with a hat-trick Great start.

Wales won and Scotland lost.

There will be more games for anyone that wants to see tem.
We go Montenegro next.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: beachcomber
Date: 26 Mar 19 - 09:47 AM

OK, Montenegro not world beaters exactly but, that was the best England attacking performance I've seen for many a long year. However, I thought that Chris Sutton, in his best David "Fwrost" imitation, went a tad OTT. This is the kind of burden that too many commentators load on the England team, year after year, Competition after competition,and pile un-necessary pressure on them. Sure they were the olden times Invincibles when International Football was in it's infancy but, that will not recur too often for any country. There are many teams nowadays that can beat everyone else at certain tournaments. Good luck England , for the rest of the matches.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Mar 19 - 10:31 AM

hi beech

Totally agree with your comments about England's attacking against
Monte negro. Apart from the first 20 minutes when they were very slow in passing and not being very aggressive. But after that was a great performance. Especially from the young players.

I agree about the way in which the media are hyping it all up.

A great performance..... now back to the Premier League. Some great games at week end.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Mar 19 - 02:47 PM

HI

So Ole has been given the job.   year contract ; shows United Directors are confident in him lifting the Club. They are obviously not making a target of qualification to Euro Championship. He needs time to settle down and create a United style of play.

Steve....he could help Liverpool in there tilt for the top....We play City shortly.

But this week-end is nearly here and we have to beat Watford....I think .

Cheers

Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Mar 19 - 07:22 PM

Nervy at the top! Man U, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea all scrabbling unimpressive wins, but hey ho.

Tell you what, though, Mike. Trent and Andy Robertson are absolute class. Andy's cross for Bobby Firmino's goal was the best cross I've seen all season. Trent can take a sixty-yard pass, kill it dead and, within seconds, whip in a devastating cross. You can't give those blokes space on the wings but, at the same time, you can't give space to the front three who stay narrow. But, above all, Virgil's piece of defending to stop Sissoko shooting properly AND to prevent him from passing to Son was as good as it gets. Knight that man. Good game too!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Apr 19 - 09:54 AM

Hi Steve

You atr right about the nervy games by the top teams - possibly excluding Man City ....this week-end.

I was at Old Trafford on Saturday. We were very lucky to win. Whatford were far better but they don't have a Rashford !!What a great goal.
We did have a stone cold pen turned down but hey....with some of our refs this happens in most games.

Yes Robby and Trent were great as always. I have been lauding them for most of the season.

Watched Liverpool and it was a good game to watch. A bit of luck at the end but you don't win the league without it.

How many times did Fergy have lucky breaks ?? I remember quite a few. Liverpool deserve to win the league but City looked good on Saturday. It's going to be a great run for all the top boys.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Apr 19 - 08:35 AM

Hi

Man United 1 V Wolves 2

This result will almost certainly make it impossible for United to get into the top 4. Especially as their competitors won last night.

They only have themselves to blame as they handed this game over to a good Wolves team.

We played some good stuff but made too many silly errors. The ref did not help when he awarded the equaliser which was clearly off side.
The standard of referees is vey poor. Several teams have suffered recently. We have had 2 in the last 3 games,

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Apr 19 - 06:05 PM

Cracking match at St Mary's tonight. Can you see Liverpool conceding any more points this season?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Apr 19 - 11:33 AM

Hi Steve

Yes A great game with both teams attacking furiously. I have to feel a little sorry for Southampton who played out of their skin.

But Mo Sala's amazing goal knocked the stuffing out of them. Liverpool will be difficult to play and must be now favourites to win the Title.
City are taking on a huge task in going for 4 trophies. I don't rule out the Premier League though and They are capable if Liverpool slip up at all. Like you say they don't look like giving anything away.

Cracking game yesterday in Semi Final of FA Cup.!!!!

And Everton may have given United an outside chance of top four but they have a rocky set a games left to play.

Cheers

Mike

Ps watched Norwich On Saturday.....looks like we will see them next season.....!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Apr 19 - 02:33 PM

Hi

Tonight I am going to be busy. Ist we have City v Tottenham in Spurs brand new ground. Then Liverpool play Porto at hame. Should be easy Pool whipped them 5- 0 last time BUT !!! sport and especially football Cup games can render some huge surptises.

Just warmimg up my TV and wi fi.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 11:20 AM

Hi

Liverpool 2 Porto 0

A good game to watch. Liverpool scored very early which helped to settle them down and .....hey Presto....another was rattled in to settle the win. I thought that Liverpool should have scored more as they have an away tie still to come.

Spurs 1 Man City 0.

City were only at half pace and tried to control the game but became unstuck to a great individual goal to Son.

City will have to improve in the second leg.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Apr 19 - 12:19 PM

Mo Salah is a very lucky boy. He should have been sent off. Liverpool should be ok. One away goal should nail it. Porto will come out fighting which will leave them open at the back.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Apr 19 - 03:08 PM

hi Steve

Yes Mo was indeed lucky. These are the breaks that all teams need to win trophies,

Last night In the United game against Barcelona we got nothing from the ref whilst Barcelona seemed to be able to foul as often as they wished.
Jessie Lingard got a yellow card as soon as he came on as sub. All he did was stand with his hands held high while that butcher Vidal just kicked everything red above the ground. . Also we had two good shouts for penalties, one of which resulted in the goal.

It seems to be that Barcelona will be firm favourites to win at home.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Apr 19 - 03:24 PM

What happened to City the other day? Are they slipping or are Spurs just better now?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: beachcomber
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 08:56 AM

City's midfielders played very agressively all evening , very often playing the man more so than the ball. Fernandinho was lucky to have had a surprisingly lenient referee in charge. Silva and Gundogan were not at all as enterprising as usual. Spurs , on the other hand attacked at every opportunity despite City's tactics (The first time I've seen them adopt such a strategy). Delph seemed to delay his tackle until Kane had knocked the ball away. Should have been noted by the referee also.
Still, City should have enough to win out, especially if they can score early in the 2nd leg ???

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM

Dammit. One of Liverpool's all-time greats, Tommy Smith, has died. :-(

Let's hope that Liverpool can slaughter Chelsea in his honour on Sunday.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Apr 19 - 02:52 PM

hi

I agree with Beach. City were not the team we have seen these last few seasons. I think the missed penalty affected their mood and they just played for a draw; a tactic that went astray.

I agree that City will be OK in the second leg. I think they have been
shaken by Spurs and they will not make the same mistakes next time.

I too think the Ref was far to soft on some of the fouls that went unpunished.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 06:51 AM

Hi

Man United 2 West Ha 1

We wus lucky !!! I have been rattling on about United getting hits by poor refereeing.

Well yesterday we got the benefit of two poor decisions which gave us two penalties, neatly put away by pogba.

We had turned out with a " scratch " side due to injury and suspensions and a little tactical massaging due to having to play Barcelona on Tuesday.

It was a game of 2 poor sides playing open games so although it was not a classic but is exciting.

United scraped out of jail which was hard on West Ham....but hey, we were due a bit of luck.

I also watched Burnly play Cardiff. Cardiff were once again subject to horrific referees. Two incidents in as many minutes saw Cardiff cheated .sic outof two penalties. This after a huge error which cost them the previous game. This makes them almost certain to be relegated
down to the second league.

Surely the Referee Society should be doing something about this.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 07:21 AM

The high point of the Burnley game was surely Barnes giving Bennett a sarcastic kiss on the nose, which got him a yellow.

At least Burnley look safe. I'd like to see them playing a slightly more clean and subtle brand of football next season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 09:32 AM

hi Steve

Yes a high point indeed....but the recipient didn't see the funny side.

Yes Burnley try as a man to wear down the opposition.

but I don't think that style and Sean Dyche go together. ........lol

Burnley are now safe so that's great by me.


Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 19 - 06:41 PM

What a contrast between the City match and the Liverpool match. Watching City is like watching paint dry. The atmosphere at their games is often funereal. But the Liverpool game was fast, high-intensity and fiercely competitive all the way through. Liverpool brought out the best in Chelsea and it made for a great game, especially in the second half. The game was a credit to football and was an object lesson in how fans should be treated with the respect they deserve, in other words by being entertained.

And come on, Mike. That goal...!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 11:04 AM

hi steve

I agree with you about the difference in the two approaches by the two top sides.

From a purely spectators' view, there was no doubt about which game was the best to watch....Liverpool.

But from a perspective of winning the League and other trophies, City played to economise on effort for the players and of course to try to avoid injuries and suspensions.

I would say that City controlled their game in a very clever way
after they had taken an early lead.

Liverpool played a much more physical game and Chelsea responded to make it a very watchable game. The highlight was the display of diving by Salah and Hazard !!!! lol

And yet again I was thrilled to watch Salah as he scored that fantastic goal ....fantastic in the way he scored it but also by the fact that he did it at the time when Chelsea were beginning to look dangerous. This goal knocked the stuffing out of them.

The other highlight for me was Clop's reaction to mo's goal. I thought his arm was going to come off the way he tried to punch the sky.

All in all great entertainment. But I don'nt think the Liverpool fans were any more happy than City's ???
cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Apr 19 - 05:02 PM

Football fans pay mucho good money to go to games, and/or mucho good money to fill the coffers of Sky Sports and BT Sport (yours truly included). Top footballers and managers are rich beyond all dreams. The very least we expect in return is entertainment. Liverpool, with all their flaws, thrillingly keep us on the edges of our seats for the whole ninety minutes. What I get from watching City games is amazing yet boring tactics and a few fabulous cameos from two or three star players, Aguero, Sterling and De Bruyne. The good bits are glittering jewels in a crock of shite entertainment-wise. I know which I prefer.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 09:30 AM

Hi Steve

Very True

But who do you think will be the happiest if City win the league and Liverpool miss out???.

We have seen a lot of shite at Old Trafford since Fergie retired. The
fans want Silver.......of course but they want entertainment too. City have played entertaining stuff for a few years now including this year . But they are going four the quadruple trophies this year.
.
I was in the pub last week and the City fans were just happy to see them win.

I agree about the cost to the fans, I am lucky that I can see United and City games free ( including being chauffered )due to some good friends who sometimes don't use their tickets. Mrs Mike gets to go some times but she gets into the restaurant and meets some well known players both past and present. She never knows who wins.!!!!!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 19 - 02:41 PM

You have seen that indeed, Mike. But as soon as Ole took over we saw that positivity coming to the fore. Football at its best is fast-flowing, forward-surging stuff. The best matches involve teams who both know that the best form of defence is attack, even when you're 4-1 up. No slowing down, no time-wasting, no square possession tactics, no bus parking. We don't pay good money to see that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 02:25 PM

Hi Steve et al

Barcelona 4 - 3   - Man United 0 agg 4-0.

We were lucky to get none !!! After a promising start United had a couple of chances. But Messi scored a super goal followed immediately
by a shot which De Gea let slip to make it two nil......game over.

Barcelona cruelly exposed United 's weaknesses of which there are many.
Coutino scored which finished off United;

Tonight watching both City and Liverpool by leaping from one channel to another.

City Play Spurs and are one down. Liverpool have a 2 nil advantage aginst Porto. If both win they will be in the semi, and if they win them The final could well be City v Liverpool....now that WILL be a great game to watch.

Best of luck to Clop's crew.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 03:58 PM

I'd much prefer Ajax-Liverpool. Looks like we're through. Now for Barca...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 19 - 05:14 PM

Well my God, what a night for Britain in Europe! Brilliant Spurs, brilliant Liverpool. Now what we need is a Spurs-Liverpool final. My two favourite teams!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: beachcomber
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 06:26 AM

With you Steve. I was thrilled by the display put on by Spurs last night. What spirit and do-or -die, great. I think that , if Spurs have enough players left, they can beat Ajax who have a very inexperienced team though they are tremendous footballers.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 08:38 AM

Son is suspended, unfortunately.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Apr 19 - 11:21 AM

Hi
Like others here I was thrilled by the Man City/ Spurs game. It was the most exciting game I have ever seen and I have seen plenty.

City went all out from the start and were soon in front. Spurs hit back
and always looked confident in attacking City.

I thought City were unlucky with Spurs 4th goal. Surely from what they showed on VAR the ball was knocked in by a Spurs hand ?

That over; City fought back and appeared to have won but Stirling's late late goal hit the net. But no, VAR canceled the goal : this time quite clearly.

I thought City missed a trick By not substituting Company with John Stones.

His height and pace could have held off the last two goals.

I watched bits of Liverpool's game but they had it all under control.

Well done both Liverpool and Spurs.

Looking forward to the semies.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 10:33 AM

Hi

Just watched the last chapter ( for this year) of Man City v
Tottenham Hotspur. This is in the Premier League and so is important to both sides.

It wasn't the thriller like Wednesday night but a good game to watch.

This time City took a lead from youngster Ben Foden.

This time City defence was tighter and so try as they did Spurs just could get the goal(s) they needed.

Some " spicy moments as both teams became more physical.


Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Apr 19 - 03:02 PM

hi

I haven't been hiding since Man United's nightmare game against Everton . I have been unable to get in until now.

United were shocking with not one person trying. There was no organisation, no leadership and they didn't appear to be trying, unless there is a miracle that is the end of a top four finish. There is obviously problems in the dressing room.

I don't want to take away anything from Everton - they were far and away the better team with some delightful attacking play which brought them some great goals. I'm afraid it's back to the drawing board. I hate to think what will happen on Wednesday when we play City...

Liverpool earned a top spot with a fine display against a surprisingly good Cardiff performance.

At the moment it is in City's hands as long as they win the last few games they will earn the Trophy.

cheers

mike

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Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 06:35 AM

I'll be cheering for Man U on Wednesday, Mike, though I'll have to watch Barça-Liverpool of course. Another ugly 45 minutes from Burnley. Job done, but let's see some actual footie from them next season...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Apr 19 - 11:01 AM

hi Steve

I I know that many strange things can happen in sport** but
t after the last United performance I just don't see us helping Liverpool.
I may well be watching Liverpool v Barca. !!!!!

It's going to get exciting in the run in. You know, I just see City making it. But I will be shouting for " the Pool ". They deserve to win it.


** A young Amateur snooker player from Blackpool has just knocked
Ronny O' Sullivan ( word's top player )out of the first round of the World Championship.
First time as any amateur got into second round

Cheers

Mike

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 19 - 02:44 PM

My last post was, of course, idiotic, Mike. For some reason I thought Liverpool were playing Barcelona tonight! I wondered why there's been no build-coverage anywhere... :-(

So I'll be watching the derby after all....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Apr 19 - 02:46 PM

Hi Steve

I guessed you had got date crossed. Easy done....I often do it.

When you watched the Derby you will know that United tried very hard to stop a busy City team that always looked like they had the edge.

We gave a good display in the first half but Rashford was bundled by two or more every time he got near the ball.

Second half was different as City scored with a shot that David de Gea

should have stopped; A strangely jittery de Gea could have stopped the
second.

The rest is history City went to the top and need to win their last 3 games to win the Trophy.

Still hope for Pool cos I don't see them giving anything away.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 08:09 AM

We can only hope that Burnley will brutalise those poor little Citeh flowers...

Only kidding...though nothing should surprise us... :-)

I'd also like to see Liverpool get ten against Huddersfield just in case the season's finale comes down to goal difference...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Apr 19 - 10:25 AM

Hi Steve

Only TEN !! lol

Surely Huddersfield are going to have a go ??

But I suppose ten is not impossible if Jurgen w winds up his players ready for an avalanche'.

Burnley on the other hand could pull a surprise. They will be wanting to prove something.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Apr 19 - 12:01 AM

Going back a number of posts… I’d not realised Bolton had so many problems and now see a game has been called off as the players won’t play any more until they are paid. I wonder what the repercussions of that will be?

The guy taking over sounds a bit dodgy too? Although this Wikipedia page weird. (Link given to what is at the moment the current version which don’t imagine lasting).

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Apr 19 - 11:06 AM

hi Steve

Liverpool 5 v Huddersfield 0.

Easy peasy. Some good goals but really had little or no opposition.

one down 2 to go !!

Cheers

Mike

PS, going to tune in to Norwich v Blackburn.

Surely Norwich will finally assure themselves of Promotion to Premier League

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Apr 19 - 11:12 AM

And wassup with Spurs, I ask meself...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Apr 19 - 03:01 PM

We've got Norwich x 3 here.

Mum in the study listing to it on the radio, keeping out of the way of dad who seems undecided as to what he wants on his laptop and me keeping the occasional eye on the BBC text.

I hope Norwich do secure promotion today.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 27 Apr 19 - 04:28 PM

And that's it! It would be nice to see Norwich finish top too but really getting promoted without the play offs is great.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 02:34 PM

Hi Jon

Nice little domestic image about the Norwich game.

I hope you all were happy with the promotion. I understand it would have been the cherry on the cake if they had won and avoided having a play off.

I am looking forward to seeing them next year. They should be a breath of fresh air .

Congratulations.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Apr 19 - 02:49 PM

Hi Steve et al.

I watched Man ity in a pub filled with City fans. Many of the were biting their their nails as they watched Burnley holding on by the skin
of their teeth. They did not show much enterprize and the inevitable happened as They scored . Strange goal when picture showed it was millimetres over the line, Mind you they had a stone cold penalty yurned down.

The atched United and Chelsea. No classic here but a much improved performance made it look like they were going to scrape in until a howler by De Gea allowed chelsea to score a goal they had never looked like doing. Game finished in a tame draw.

This means that United will not get into top four unless a miracle happens. " Boo hooooo."

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 12:34 PM

Too bad we don't hear from Eliza/Senoufou --
it must have been a big deal for her and her dear husband
when the Norwich Canaries had their breakthrough.

I know from absolutely nothing about this kind of football,
actually I don't know about the North American species either,
but it is entertaining to watch you all watching, as it were.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 12:53 PM

You're missing out. It's the one and only beautiful game. No other sport comes close.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 03:42 PM

Utter bollocks from Steve there Keberoxu. English football is played by overpaid nancy boys who cry if they so much as break a fingernail.

Now proper sports such as Rugby (both creeds) Gaelic Fooball, Hurling (the fastest field game in the world are the games to follow. Australian Rules football is another.

And please note our sportsmen (and women) don't wear body armour!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 06:17 PM

Don't listen to 'im, keberoxou. He probably went to one of them daft northern schools that deludedly "introduced" rugby in the sixties because they thought that that was what posh Oxford/Cambridge snobs indulged in. I mean, what sort of a game is it when you can only score by chucking the ball further away from your goal, and in which it pays to be as fat as a brick shithouse in order for you to collide with and survive a collision with another brick shithouse? He knows NOWT, keb. Tek ner bloody notice!

As a matter of fact, I have a feeling that I was in the first eleven that beat his school at cricket in approx. 1968... I knew there was summat up wi' 'im...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 06:24 PM

Dammit. It's keberoxu. Sorry about that!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 06:38 PM

Huh?
I thought you two were friends not fiends?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Apr 19 - 06:55 PM

Well we are friends but I'm beginning to suspect that he's closet Yorkshire...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 May 19 - 12:09 PM

Insult !!!

What a bloody insult!

Withdraw that remark Sir or I will take the piss unmercifully when Liverpool fail to win the Premiership and the title goes to city!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 May 19 - 02:35 PM

Hi

Now you two stop arguing every one knows that Rugby fans are rather more dignified and less needy. There's an old saying, with a lot of truth in it: “Football is a gentleman's game played by hooligans, and rugby is a hooligan's game played by gentlemen."28 Sep 2015

Right... I am just about ready to watch Liverpool play Barcelona in the first leg of the Euro Champion's League.

I am expecting a hugely entertaining match with two of the top three teams in the World.

I am looking to Liverpool to beat Barcelona or at least score an away goal to bring back as an advantage in the second leg.

So come Liverpool !!! ( this from a Man United Supporter.

Best of luck.

Cheers   Mike.

By the way I think that Basketball is the fastest game.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 May 19 - 02:50 PM

I did say FIELD sport MikeL, don't know if you've ever watched any Hurling but it is fast, furious and very, very skillful.

The players are all amateurs (they may get boot money) but put every ounce of effort into playing the game. It is rough, brutal at times, and a joy to watch.

** For our American cousins 'boot money' are monies left in players shoe's to cover expenses and not acknowledged by any authorities or the players themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 01 May 19 - 04:23 PM

I think that probably up to the age of around 15, I’d have said football was the best game but my interest waned. I probably hated rugby at 15 but there was a long later spell where I’d at least watch all the 5/6 nations I could as well as the World cups (and never did but at one time really fancied going to Lansdowne Road for a Guiness assisted Ireland Wales, I felt the atmosphere would be great…).. It seems ages since I saw any on tv but I thought Aussie Rules a fast and exciting game when I have watched it.

All to difficult to tell with someone who looking back now has wavered a lot and is sometimes (with exceptions such as at least keeping an eye on Norwich) not specially in love with any…

But I would say the most intriguing of sports is test cricket. Not when you get slaughters (although I started watching with the Clive Lloyd sides) but say Ashes 2005 where things are tight and there can be so many twists and turns. Shame none is on free to view these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 May 19 - 04:59 PM

Ooops!!

I don't reckon on Liverpools chances now.

I don't think they'll win the Premiership either.

Yet another season of what might have been.

Still, if you're a Manc that supports Liverpool that's all you can expect or deserve !!!!

If it's any consolation I would have liked to see Liverpool prosper tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 May 19 - 06:54 PM

I know, I know. But the footie from both teams tonight was stellar, which should be the point, setting tribalism aside. The difference was that the best footballer who's ever drawn breath was there at the right time in the right place, twice. Which is what he does. Jaysus, that free kick...

I'd fancy Liverpool to beat anyone by four at Anfield, but that won't do as they have to stop Messi from scoring even one. One can wish for heroics, but, and let's face it, an Ajax-Barca final will be one to salivate over. And, that night, I'll be on a restaurant terrace watching the sun setting over Mount Etna...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: beachcomber
Date: 02 May 19 - 05:20 AM

Aw Steve, just when I was beginning to think that there was another folk music lovin', guitar strummin' Spurs' supporter here.
Wait, just wait until next week when the "Lillywhites" will put those young upstarts from Amsterdam in their places. Tulips ? we'll take a Champions' League Final place back with us, you'll see !

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 May 19 - 06:47 AM

I do like watching Spurs. But Ajax are revolutionising football in Europe just now and I wouldn't fancy anybody to beat them.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 May 19 - 02:47 PM

hi

I watched the game and found myself cheering away for Liverpool. They played extremely well but as Steve said , Messi was in the right place and at the right time. He's a little magician, very difficult to mark and explosive when he gets near the ball.

Liverpool tried all they knew to at least get that important away goal but the luck and an impressive Barca defence held them off.

It will be a hard night for them to recover but hey....anything is possible .

I was impressed by Joe Gomez's return from a long absence through injury. He is a very good player and will give Liverpool a new perspective when he reaches full fitness.

As for the other semi, spurs will need to be at their best. Ajax are a very good team,

Have a good time in Italy Steve. I will be in North Wales for the week
But I will be watching both games.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 May 19 - 10:57 AM

hi

Spurs lost 1-0 to Bournmouth.

Son was sent off.

Don't think their top 4 place in danger but will be clos.

Just getting ready for Newcastle v Liverpool.

Could be tricky. Benitez says there will be no favours. Hmm sounds fishy.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 May 19 - 06:15 PM

You have got to love these team names, though:

Cherries, Canaries ...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 May 19 - 05:30 AM

Hi Liverpool Had a bit of luck in beating a good Newcastle side so the sea-saw for the top place goes on. Pool hold top slot but that could change as Man City have to beat Leicester to move back up.

I am on my way to North Wales so will not be around here for a couple of weeks or so.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 05 May 19 - 06:11 AM

and the Jags.....after half a season in the relegation places we went to Dumfries for a crunch game with Queen of the South yesterday. it was a lovely day, met loads of friendly people and watched thistle cruise to the easiest win of the season - great fun and instead of facing the play-offs for relegation we finish the season 6th in the league. proving yet again - guilt and worry are useless emotions.

the only dark cloud being that it's such a long time til next season.....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 May 19 - 05:29 PM

Why does Partick Thistle have so many varied and different names?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 19 - 08:05 PM

Because every time you type "Partick" on an iPad you get "Patrick" (see what I mean?)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 05 May 19 - 08:38 PM

partick is an area of glasgow where we used to play about 100 years ago. we then moved to maryhill but kept the name (we like to sing 'maryhill is wonderful...') Jags are what you get if you sit on a thistle. We are also known as the Harry Wraggs but i don't know why. a lot of people (including billy connolly) think our real name is Partick Thistle 0. we are also 'the only team in glasgow' though this may be disputed. according to the jag's supporters yesterday we are 'by far the greatest team the world has ever seen' - obviously there is no dispute about that. hope this clears it up for you.....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 May 19 - 04:56 PM

Tense match tonight, crowned by a superb goal from Vincent Company.

So it's all down to the last match of the season and anything could happen on the day.

I don't expect Wolves to give Liverpool any favours and they can be a very good attacking side.

By the same token I don't expect Brighton to lie down, roll over and play dead when City get down there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 May 19 - 04:24 PM

Thirty minutes to go, score 3-3, superb display by Liverpool irrespective of the final result.

Hope they can another one ........ or two .......... or three!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 May 19 - 04:55 PM

BRILLIANT !!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 May 19 - 06:09 PM

Yeah, Raggytash, so less of your previous friggin' "oops!" innit! Whoever you are, wherever you are, whoever you support, you have never seen a night of football like that. Admit it. You have just enjoyed the privilege of witnessing history. Bog off, Citeh, with your grinding out one-nil boring shite three games in a row. Tonight we have seen football as it is meant to be played. And Liverpool are the one team in this country who can deliver that better than anyone else. I love Tottenham but I'd relish a Liverpool-Ajax final. Two teams who deliver skill, speed, positivity and sheer edge-of-seat entertainment better than any teams on the planet at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 May 19 - 06:27 PM

And Trent, twenty years old and a scouser to boot....a legend for the next fifteen years!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 May 19 - 06:39 PM

I agree Steve, Liverpool were superb and it was a well deserved win.


However they do have the most important match of the season on Saturday when they HAVE to win and have to HOPE that City slip up.

IF that happens I will owe you a pint.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 19 - 06:33 AM

Sunday as it 'appens, Raggytash. I think that the point about the Premier League is that two titans have thrillingly taken it to the brink and whoever claims the crown on Sunday the other won't be seen as "the loser," just for once. Footie is the winner, truly the beautiful game, nothing to touch it!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 19 - 06:53 AM

Tons of complimentary comments at the foot of the Guardian match report from non-Liverpool fans in awe of that Liverpool performance. Very unusual! I loved this one:

Utd fan here, I haven't posted in ages. Just came to congratulate your lot and say..wow! Just...WOW! What a team you have!

Obviously, I hope you never win another game ever, but tonight...enjoy it you bastards, you deserve it. Cheers.

P.S. That fourth goal must've been a training ground routine right? Either way you have a genius amongst your ranks, weather it's Klopp or TAA I don't know, but it was hilarious watching Barca players in slo-mo!

And Mike, come out come out wherever you are. I desperately need a United fan to take the mick out of!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 May 19 - 08:14 AM

i had a great day out watching the jags win in dumfries and loved everything about the game. though my daughter (celtic supporter) tells me i am wasting my time watching football at that level, i don't agree. i was in the pub last night with a couple of liverpool fans and a few amazed and impressed supporters of other teams. it's (just!) the same beautiful game and proper football fans from all over the world can share it in a spirit of respect, friendship, humour, beer and all our great little idiosyncracies and superstitions.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 May 19 - 08:21 AM

by the way, we are thinking of moving to lancaster - so have already checked the times and cost of trains to glasgow for next season (£18.50 return and £1.65 subway ticket) not bad. mind you - if thistle don't have a game i would love to go to anfield sometimes- though i'm guessing it's impossible to get a ticket these days?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 May 19 - 11:12 AM

Steve, re you earlier post. That sounds like a man who is resigned to coming in as runners up.

Technically Liverpool can still win the Premiership, technically that is.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 May 19 - 02:14 PM

will ajax win

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 19 - 02:22 PM

If Citeh win on Sunday they are the champions, whatever Liverpool do.

If Liverpool win and Citeh draw or lose, Liverpool are the champions.

If they both draw or both lose, Citeh are the champions.

If Liverpool draw and Citeh lose, Citeh would still end up champions unless they've imploded and been beaten by a shedload of goals.

The Mancs have got a much easier game, in theory. But who knows!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 19 - 02:26 PM

I do fancy Ajax to win, Dick, much as I love the Spurs. They are one up with an away goal, they are playing at home and they have been spectacularly good in recent months.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 May 19 - 02:58 PM

The victory parade for the Norwich Canaries, by the way,
was attended by Senoufou and her husband.
Much anticipation there about the season to come
when all those Premier League teams
will be visiting Norwich for games.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 19 - 05:05 PM

Whale oil beef hooked! That was bloody well nearly as good as last night! What spirit, what guts, what Lucas!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 May 19 - 05:41 PM

Comment under Guardian match report:

"This has got to be the greatest comeback in the Champions League since last night. Incredible."

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 09 May 19 - 10:50 AM

a shame, i reckon -ajax have been great to watch this year - all ruined by a second half when they couldn't hold their nerve. crowd singing 'don't worry about a thing...every little thing gonna be alright....' after half time seems cruel now. spurs? never liked them since they beat city 4-1 in an fa cup quarter-final (maybe 25 years ago?)and steve sedgeley did a really annoying goal celebration. i really hope liverpool make them pay for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 19 - 11:40 AM

Well I've never forgiven Manchester United for beating Burnley 6-0 on 12th April 1961. Albert Quixall and Dennis Viollet both scored a hat-trick. And wasn't Maurice Setters a dirty bugger. That was the only time I ever went to Old Trafford. I'm still bitter.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 May 19 - 08:22 PM

So the Champions League final and the Europa League final are both all-English. Dunno what to think...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 10 May 19 - 01:02 AM

They might have seen the coach break down then k. Things started off with a Norwich FC decorated yellow one and finished off in a red tourist one.

Next season should be interesting. I've read they plan on sticking with an attacking approach to the game and keeping most of the current squad in tact without spending big money but how that (or I suppose any approach for a newly promoted side) will pan out remains to be seen.

Anyway,onto other things. Congrats to both Liverpool and Spurs. Both remarkable turnarounds/comebacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 May 19 - 11:35 AM

Heh, heh,heh !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 19 - 01:58 PM

Liverpool's record this season:

- 97 points, third highest ever in the Premier League
- 30 wins from 38; first team not to win the title after winning 30 games or more
- First team to lose only 1 game all season and not win the title
- Golden Glove winner for most clean sheets, Allison Becker
- Best defensive record, fewest goals conceded this season
- 2 joint top Golden Boot winners, Mo and Sadio
- Points total good enough to win it any year between 1993 and 2017.

A record hardly deserving of your derision, I feel. Next stop Madrid.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 May 19 - 02:41 PM

Good luck in Madrid and well done those reds. They have certainly given value for money this season - right up to the last mninute! From a nominally City supporting, non-footy knowledgeable Gnome.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 19 - 04:10 PM

Bury have gone up too. Gigg Lane is 3/4 mile from where my mum and dad lived for 45 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 May 19 - 04:25 PM

No derision Steve, Liverpool have played some exceptional football this season .................

And thoroughly deserve to be runners-up!!


.................

Just remind me ........... when did you last win the Premiership??



Sorry me old lover but if you will support Liverpool what did you expect.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 19 - 04:37 PM

Tit.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 May 19 - 04:47 PM

I presume you mean as in:-


On a tree by a willow a little Tom Tit
sang willow, tit willow, tit willow ............

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 May 19 - 05:39 PM

By a River !!! by a river &^$"**^$! !!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 19 - 07:00 PM

"From: Raggytash - PM
Date: 18 Dec 18 - 10:13 AM

Let's hope the next manager can build Man Utd back to where the supporters expect them to be ........ at the top."

A bit of tribalist bollox from Raggytash from five months ago. Keep hoping, pal. United, for all their money and their massive wage bill (remind me: how much did they pay Rooney, then Pogba, then Sanchez, among other three-legged carthorses...?) have been shite all season except for a few honeymoon matches for Ole. Icing on the cake was that they got smashed today by a relegated team, with their £95 million chappie starting a scrap that should have seen him getting sent off. There's been a sickness at the heart of Old Trafford dating back to before Fergie left. In contrast, just look at the sheer positivity at clubs like Palace, Wolves, Spurs, Newcastle and Liverpool. They've given us a terrific season. Ok, Citeh have been good to watch too, but they are seriously oil-tainted...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 May 19 - 07:21 PM

Oh I've no illusions about the problems at Old Trafford Steve.

If you want to quote my past posts perhaps you would care to regurgitate the one where I said the first thing to do was to get rid of Pogba.

There is a lot wrong at Old Trafford, every thinking United supporter acknowledges that. It will take at least one full season to rebuild, possibly more.

However I know you're feeling sore tonight but for much of this season you have been telling us how Liverpool were going to win the Premiership.

Kitchens, heat and personal whereabouts come to mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 May 19 - 07:38 PM

Just one more thing Steve, if United never win another match in my lifetime I won't lose any sleep about it.

It's really not very important.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 19 - 07:47 PM

I'm not feeling sore at all. A few of my posts ago I told you that the title race has been so amazing that, at the end of it all, neither club could possibly be described as "the loser" and that the winner would be football. That's how it's turned out. Kudos to the Citeh players, some of the best in the world, but no kudos to the club's owners and bankrollers, who also bankroll some very dodgy pursuits in the Arabian peninsula...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 May 19 - 02:27 AM

Swinton played Rugby League at Gig Lane for a while. Apropos of nothing at all. Of more interest, to Steve anyway, we have moved my Mum to a new and much better care home which takes us past his favourite coffee shop when we now visit. Back to football. The new care home is on a street facing the main gates of The Cliff!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 19 - 05:41 AM

"...if United never win another match in my lifetime I won't lose any sleep about it.

It's really not very important."

Oh yes it is. In the words of Bill Shankly (aka God),

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."

I'll take his POV over yours any day!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 May 19 - 01:19 PM

In the great scheme of things football is utterly and totally meaningless. If it were banned tomorrow I wouldn't give a toss.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 May 19 - 02:47 PM

Hi Steve... et al

Another Shanks classic. When talking to his wife she said

" You and your football.. You love Liverpool more than you love me. " He rplied " " I love Everton more than I love you"

I am Just back from North Wales. It pissed down nearly all the time.

So if you want to take the piss out of Man United ...go ahead there's plenty still left on me. lol

First I have to congratulate Liverpool on their fantastic win against Barcelona.

Then again about the way they fought to try to topple Man City for the League Title. It made fantastic watching.

MANCHESTER UNITED - I am aware of United's problems and that they will not be easy to get back to the top. There is obviously something drastically wrong at the Club. Strange how United had that run of winning games which dried up once Ole got the Manager's job. At the end we could not beat teams like Huddersfield etc who are going down.

Like Raggy I think the first step should be to get rid of Pogba and Sanchez for a start. Other players will want to leave eg De Gea, Valentia, etc. .
They are going to find that the top players will not want to come and that many fans will not come to watch especially those with Season tickets.

Football runs in our family with our son coaching young players and my eldest grandson has just agreed to coach very young starters. Although I played rugby ( both codes ) I am the odd one out; but on retirement from rugby I supported Man United like my Father and grandfather before him.

cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 19 - 04:28 PM

You're a saintly man, Mike. My grandad was, and at least one of my cousins still is, a fervent Man U supporter. I didn't care for Fergie at all, not ever, but I've always secretly wanted United to do only very slightly less well than Liverpool. What you need is another Eric. That's a great yarn about Shanks. Apparently, he once said that Merseyside had two great teams: Liverpool, and Liverpool reserves. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 May 19 - 02:36 PM

hi Steve

I don't know about Eric....he is now a poet. But he was a much better
footballer than a poet.

" The Seagulls follow the trawler because they think sardines are thrown into the sea. !!

Our grandfathers may have been in the stadium at the same time.

Looking forward to the Liverpool v Spurs match. I believe they are a stronger and better team than Spurs but you know that, like Liverpool they can pullout a surprise.

Fingers crossed

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 17 May 19 - 01:16 PM

will this close season ever end?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 May 19 - 02:35 PM

hi pet

YES....as far as Manchester United is concerned the Season has closed..Boo Hoo

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 19 - 03:54 PM

"Hi pet" - a bit over-familiar there, Mike... :-) :-) :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 17 May 19 - 06:38 PM

it's ok - we can pretend to be geordie dinner ladies

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 May 19 - 01:22 PM

With 70% foreign, our Premier League is a greedy meaningless free-market foreign farce that, if we are to win the World Cup again, must be regulated back to how it was: mostly LOCALS in MEANINGFUL competition; or in verse, my poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, "Reregulate"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 19 - 02:04 PM

Well that's capitalism for you. At the end of the day football is about entertainment. We've had that in spades from Liverpool, Spurs and City this season and some damn good stuff from less wealthy clubs such as Wolves, Newcastle and Watford. That's why I watch it. Yep, shame about the silly money. Can't disagree. But I've decided to carry on watching. It keeps me off the streets. Imperfect world and all that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 18 May 19 - 03:24 PM

there are many beautiful things about the game that have nothing to do with money. there is nothing but good that comes from players from many nations joining together in a shared endeavour. similarly it's great that millions of fans don't care where someone comes from as long as he is good. but if that bothers you could always watch lower league football - at partick thistle we can't afford foreigners (or much at all, really) except pogba. sadly it was Paul's brother, maurice, who was half his height and twice his weight and with none of his talent.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 May 19 - 05:48 PM

Cheers, Pete. Exactly.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 May 19 - 09:54 AM

Hi

I take yours points about the money market that is called Football. Not just over here but several' European clubs are just as much involved.

I Manchester City had to play under the threat of investigation into their financial dealings.

They obviously ignored it and thrashed a pretty good Watford team yesterday at WWembley Stadium.

When we were in North Wales recently we discussed the possibility of Premier League supplying the players to all the semi & final teams.

We tried to calculate how many Brits were involved - we came up with not very many !!!!

I love football and I am aware of it's problems but I will continue to watch it.


Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 31 May 19 - 02:47 PM

Hi Steve et al.

Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur June 1st. - Madrid.

Zero hour approaches for what I hope is the game of the season.

Red supporters are winging their way out in their thousands to Madrid.

My neighbours have gone early this morning leaving me to look after their property ,especially the garden and husky dog. They have no tickets and are hoping to get some when they arrive. Not much chance
according to TV.

I am gearing up to watch the game on TV. Have banished My wife to one of her friends.

When I think of who will win I can't see anything but a Liverpool win.

I will be cheering them on ( this from a Man United follower!!!).

They have been impressive all season except for a couple of " itchy Bum" moments.

I know you will be following it where- ever you are Steve. Here's hoping you will be able to enjoy the game for days to come.

Oh Lord what have I said ?? lol

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jun 19 - 09:12 AM

I too would like to see a Liverpool win but acknowledge that Spurs will be up for the game and are likely to be a very tough opponent.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jun 19 - 09:36 AM

Hi Raggy

Yes Spurs are a goo side and will give Liverpool a good game. they

They have got themselves out of some scrapes and the return of Harry Kane should help.

Liverpool will have to be at their best, the lay-off may affect them giving Spurs a chance.

In the pub at lunchtime " football professionals have all gone for Liverpool. For that reason alone it would satisfy me if they should be wrong.

Cheers

mike

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jun 19 - 05:41 PM

I'm saying nothing.

Yes I am.

Just three little words.

Piss off, Citeh!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jun 19 - 11:13 AM

What's the score in the silverware stakes this year?

Just asking :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 19 - 12:24 PM

Don't just say God, say Shankly.

In Klopp we trust.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Jun 19 - 02:04 PM

Hi Steve

Congrats for Liverpool win. But I was very disappointed with the game.

Pool were lucky to get a penalty in the 1st minute. After that Spurs were shocked out of action for most of the game.

Both teams were poor and although Liverpool won easyly it was a turn off for many people.

Harry Kane was almost non-existant apart from the most ridiculous dive in the penalty area. He flopped down like a jelly on a plate. Why he wasn't sent of I don't know. If we are to get rid of diving we have to strictly punish offenders.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jun 19 - 02:40 PM

I did'nt see the game as I was at a concert, on a ship, in a Fjord


.............. in Ireland


.......... and yes that is true.


I saw the news this morning and from that I think the penalty decision was harsh .... to say the least, but all credit the Liverpool they have won the trophy for the sixth time.

Can anyone recall the last time they won the Premiership though?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 19 - 04:45 PM

The ones that really count: Premier League/Division One: Man U 20 Liverpool 18

European Cup, far and away the most important club competition in the world: Liverpool 6 Man U 3.

So the point here is that Liverpool are numerically ahead if you tot up the things that matter, but, far more importantly, Man U are currently shite, and likely to be so for years to come, whereas Liverpool have been superb and are in the ascendancy, topped very slightly (by a single point) only by a team put together with totalitarian oil money. Carry on, lads...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jun 19 - 04:53 PM

Incidentally, there was nothing" lucky" about the penalty. It was stonewall. If you think you can pose in the penalty area like Christ The Redeemer with both arms out and stop a cross via TWO illegitimate touches with your arm and hand, your hand way above shoulder height, and expect not be penalised, you are in cloud cuckoo land. You guys talk as if it was the first football match you ever watched. Harsh my arse. Time you looked up the actual rules of the game. It was a penalty every minute, every hour, every bloody day of the week. Suck it up, chaps.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Jun 19 - 03:17 PM

Hi Steve

" Pool were lucky to get a penalty in the 1st minute. After that Spurs were shocked out of action for most of the game."

Can I clarify my comment. I was not challenging the penalty or the reason for giving it.....What I meant is that the extremely early score knocked Spurs out of any plans they may have had. They blew it.

They seemed to think that they had a mountain to climb making it so that Liverpool really didn't have to play well to win. They were always in command and rightly held themselves together to create an easy victory.

Incidently Virgil had Kane in his pocket through-out the game....fantastic player ( and man ) . both he and the goalkeeper have been responsible for the improvement that Liverpool has demonsrtrated this season. And I suspect there is more to come.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 04:57 AM

Having always thought of the womens' game as a pale imitation of the real thing, played out in empty echoing stadiums, I never thought I'd find myself saying this, but I've been watching and enjoying and been impressed by the womens' World Cup so far.

In particular it's been fascinating watching how the game pans out when it's played with all the intelligence and skill of the mens' game but without the strength and speed. Also some of the games have been refreshingly free-flowing, as there seems to be less tackling, hence fewer fouls and injuries. Great stuff. Pity I can't see England winning it, but I'm used to that from the mens' game.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 05:21 AM

Agreed. The only thing is that my 90-year-old mum thinks I only watch it because of shapely bums on show. She doesn't think women should be playing football at all (or being PM or chairing Question Time, etc). I couldn't agree less but she's a sod to argue with. She swore blind that she was watching a women's match the other day and noticed that one of the players "wasn't even wearing bloomers" under her shorts.

Anyway, I like it a lot and shall be tuning in on Thursday. It's going to be uphill against Norway I fear.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 25 Jun 19 - 07:11 PM

rumour has it that thistle are about to be bought by a chinese/american billionaire. well....we have about 3,000 bitter and witty resigned old guys ( 'thistle do.....thistle do....we're the only team in glasgow for the likes of me and you' ) waiting for the good old days to return - i have no idea how we would react to a major realignment of our universe.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 11:37 AM

Hi

I hope Steve doesn't mind me using this thread. ( can't type due to an accident I had when trimming my hedge. Am spending a lot of time at hospital and at my GP. Hope to be back soon.



Congrats for winning the cup last night.

They cut it fine and Chelsea had chances to take this game.

Mind you Man United " murdered " Chelsea Last week. !!!!!!!

Isee that the Premiere League is starting the way that it finished With Man City and Liverpool competing with each other.


Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Aug 19 - 12:27 PM

Get well soon, Mike. Hope it was not too serious!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Aug 19 - 09:57 AM

Hi Dave....not two serious it took out the tops of two fingers.

It is very painful but the NHS are being fantastic. They were great when the accident happened and I now go to my GP because I have to have daily examination and dressings.

Should be OK soon.

Cheers

Mike

I will be going to Wolverhampton on Monday night to watch Man United play Wolves.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Aug 19 - 07:41 PM

Liverpool often give me the eebie-jeebies, seat of the pants stuff, but they are superb to watch. It's all pace, pressing and positivity. For me, with City, it's not at all like that. When they're great they're superb. But that awful possession game they play... people pay mucho good money to watch... Where's the passion...?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 02:45 PM

Hi Steve

Yes Liverpool have rocked a bit at the start of this Season. But they go for it and play very exciting football.
Man City are not as full on as Liverpool's game but City have some brilliant games ... admittedly they have some quiet periods but these are part of the tactical approach employed by the current Premier League Champions.


It makes for a absorbing picture for the rest of the Season.

Looking forward to an exiting time.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Aug 19 - 04:35 PM

Slow possession cross-field football is not what fans pay for and want to see. Big money isn't a good excuse for not taking risks and entertaining the fans. City are guilty of time-wasting negativity. Pep honed that method at Barca with his tiki-taka stuff. But then he had Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, who could make it look good. There's simply no-one at City to compare with those.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Aug 19 - 02:53 PM

Hi Steve

The thing that most supporters want is to WIN !! OK it is great if the " beautiful game is played by all." No Chance I'm afraid ..." Money is the root of all evil.

Bury played good football at their level....and what happened ???

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Aug 19 - 09:33 AM

As a youth I went to more matches at t'Gigg than to all other grounds put together. My mum and dad's house until this year was a ten-minute walk down Radcliffe Road. For years my mum was the registrar at the cemetery next door and returned many a ball that had been booted over the quite-low stand. I was somehow wishing that the community could keep the club afloat, as it did at Portsmouth. Bury is a relatively thriving place these days, not without plenty of Tory-caused problems, of course. It's a terrible tragedy.

On a brighter note, congratulations to Lucy Bronze and Virgil on winning the women and men's UEFA Players of the Year awards. Nice to see Lionel and Cristiano doing internal grrs! Great speech by Eric, too, causing a fair amount of head-scratching. Legend!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Aug 19 - 08:14 PM

Poor do from Man U today, Mike. See that Scholesy reckons nothing for the lads for two years. More, I'd say. Meanwhile, Liverpool reign supreme so far. I must say I came out in sympathy with Sadio over his frustration. Mo is a tad too selfish. Two sitters awaited Liverpool, one for Bobby, one for Sadio, had Mo only done the obvious thing instead of going for hopeless shots. Still, you wouldn't part with the three of 'em for less than a billion, would you!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 04:06 AM

From Steve:

"Slow possession cross-field football is not what fans pay for and want to see. Big money isn't a good excuse for not taking risks and entertaining the fans. City are guilty of time-wasting negativity. Pep honed that method at Barca with his tiki-taka stuff. But then he had Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, who could make it look good. There's simply no-one at City to compare with those "

I've been thinking about this. Last season City scored 95 goals to Liverpools 89. This season City have netted the ball 14 times in just 4 matches to Liverpools 12.

Hmmmmmmm .................

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 04:39 AM

I only saw the highlights of the City-Brighton game, so any longeurs had clearly been edited out. What we see sometimes in their games is an infinitely superior team finishing off their opponents in style then toying with them for the last half-hour or so. If you watch any Liverpool match, it's blood and guts until the whistle. The losing team still gets chances to attack and Liverpool are always in danger of breaking. It's edge-of-seat stuff and that is what fans pay big money to see. You don't need your top players "saving themselves" for the next match. They are super-fit and you can use your subs anyway. There was an incident at a Liverpool throw-in yesterday in which Trent wasted time (about 30 seconds). It looked outrageous and so it was, and he was lucky to get away with it. But it stood out because it's a rarity. Having said all that, gotta give the oil club credit for some sublime footie. I'd even sheikh their hands if I could.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 04:47 AM

There is a Peter Bond song entitles "Sheikh My Hand"

It's the old story of one man being given a golden handshake and the worker being kicked onto the dole queue.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 04:50 AM

Euphemisms used by blokes in pubs going for a wee:

Young bloke: Just off to shake hands with the wife's best friend...

Old bloke: Just off to shake hands with the unemployed...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 04:51 AM

I see I got to 1000 by going off-topic. Not sneaky, just accidental!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 04:53 AM

A poignant line from the song

"though it hurt to realise
they could pay John more not to darken their door
than most men earn in their lives"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 09:58 AM

Hi Steve

I watched 3 games yesterday. United, City and Liverpool.

I agree with your comments to a certain extent.

City had an easy game and won it very early on. After that they " show-cased to the end.

Liverpool and Burnley was different. Pool had to work hard to get in front with a somewhat lucky goal. Trent;s attempted cross was drifted into the net by the strong wind. They then scored again straight away. ......End of game. And Trent was not the only culpret. Pool's game eased up somewhat.

Man United are still very poor. Ole is work in progress wrestling with lots of problems with his players.

I think he is trying to build a new team and it will be some years before they will be back challenging for the top.

Despite their problems they were They were a little unfortunate, again getting on the end of a bad decision robbed them of a penalty. But that;s the way things go when you are struggling.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Sep 19 - 10:54 AM

Well, Mike, when you're winning 3-0 with not long to go, of course you're going to relax somewhat. But Liverpool were still pushing forward and thereby leaving gaps that Burnley could exploit (they nearly did, too, once or twice). It was a full-blooded, entertaining game. I can't really comment on yesterday's City match because I saw only the highlights, but what I'm talking about was fully on display both in the cup final and in the Norwich game. I hope it comes back to bite them when they come up against Liverpool this season. It nearly did in the Charity Shield in which Liverpool had them on the ropes in the latter stages. If you're used to reducing your pace to a canter once you think it's in the bag, the habit may come back to haunt you. Anyway, at the end of the season I'll ask you again which was the more entertaining and thrilling team to watch.

Trent's goal was a deflection, by the way, not wind-blown. It was put down as an own-goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 11:12 AM

hi Seve

You don't have to wait until the end of the year for me to to see which is more exciting to watch with Man City and Liverpool.

But exciting football does not necessarily mean they will win the trophies.

I would back City in this. !!! It is going to be a great Season and I am looking forward to watch the fight between City and Liverpool.

Could it be that Spurs and Arsenal could create a shock???

cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 05:40 PM

Raise a cup of good cheer, fellow Mudcatters,
to Eliza/Senoufou and her beloved husband.
The Norwich Canaries beat Man U --
said husband must be
OVER THE MOON.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 05:52 PM

How many locals were on the field?

Why support a wealthy world 11 who earn about 100 times more than you in your country?

Did they change shirts before or after kick-off?

Now more than 53 years since I was born/Alf Ramsey's team won, do you, my fellow English, wish to win the FIFA World Cup again?

My poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, "Reregulate"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 05:59 PM

They beat Man City, not Man U, as it happens. A crucial difference in terms of the title race... And the mighty Liverpool sail on!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 06:09 PM

Just watched the highlights on MOTD. Bloody good gutsy performance by the Canaries. Delia was over the moon!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 06:27 PM

Well done then, Norwich!
They must ALL be going bananas, er, canaries up there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 09:11 AM

Certainly an excellent result from the Norwich perspective. Also one that may cheer some Liverpool supporters... and some neutrals who like to see a lesser club trying to score goals against a top side...

k, As for cheers, dad was Norwich born (1936) and has been a (sometimes bordering on fanatical) supporter all his life and we 4 sons have always supported them (although I'm probably more passing interest than dedicated these days). By that, I'd guess it would have brought joy in North Norfolk, North Wales, South Yorkshire and Queensland Australia..

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Sep 19 - 10:36 AM

Hi

Yes a great result for Norwich. This was no fluke they bossed City right through the game. They are a team that look to attack and they exposed some surprising defensive errors.

Hope that Norwich can keep up that type of football.

Wouldn't like to cross their manager.....look forward when Burnley
play there...

Iwas at Old Trafford yesterday and enjoyed the game. Leicester are a good side and we were delighted to get a result. Both teams are work-in-process and I can't wait to see United where they belong.....at the top.

Cheers
Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 05:28 AM

Some comical defending this weekend from City (and Arsenal). United are just grinding it out in a rather uninspiring way. This is Liverpool's season for the taking. And you know me, I'm totally neutral...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Sep 19 - 09:03 AM

Hi Steve

AHAAAAAT ??????? You NEUTRAL....!!!!!!!!

I hadn't noticed it !!!!

I watched Arsenal get opened up by Watford after being 2 down.

Yes Liverpool are already 5 points ahead. But beware , City pulled back more than this last year.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Sep 19 - 07:50 PM

Man U rubbish by any standards today. Going nowhere. Liverpool clinical first half, mucho back-pedalling second half, but canny experience always pays off. I think Chelsea look really promising. They won't do much this season but they'll be serious contenders next season. Grand to watch. Go, Frank!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Sep 19 - 11:09 AM

Hi

I watched City ( on TV and the goals were rattling in faster then you could think. Their performance must put fear up most teams.

Liverpool kept up in top place but with this be making them think.
I am looking forward to City v Liverpool.

I agree with your comments about Man U - they are producing rubbish and if they can't improve they will end up near the bottom of the League.
Rumours about a change of Managers ( Give the guy a chance !!!! ).
I think it needs more than that,,,,, I mean " Them upstairs,,,

Spurs seem to be in a similar state as United.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 19 - 06:20 PM

Nah then, Mike. Damn fine show by Man U today. Had it not been for the last fifteen or twenty minutes I'd have said that they deserved all three points, but they sort of went to pieces and were bloody lucky that Liverpool didn't slaughter them in that period. I agree that (within the rules), Sadio's goal should have been disallowed, and it was. But it was outrageous that the Man U goal was allowed. Bloody fouling dirty bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 07:00 AM

Hi Steve


I was at Old Trafford and your summary was about right but I wouldn't have put it in the same way as you did.

Gotta go ....visitor. Be back soon

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 09:01 AM

It was a deliberately sneaky and unnecessary sharp jab to the calf. The trouble with VAR is that the ref is more inclined to let play go on until a move comes to an end. We see that with offsides, where decisions are frequently delayed just in case it ceases to matter anyway. The ref himself should be allowed to view the replays on the pitch side monitor and help in the review. We had a "goal" for the home side with a jubilant and noisy crowd that could easily have influenced the less experienced VAR referee to let the goal stand. Although overall Man U probably deserved their point, that particular decision was a disgraceful injustice, and I'm appalled at the Man U manager for claiming that it was never a foul.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Perry_P
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 09:15 AM

We are flying to Belgium in two days in order to see Liverpool playing against Genk. It's going to be the first stadium experience for my little boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 09:28 AM

I envy you! Enjoy!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Oct 19 - 10:41 AM

Hi Steve

I agree that United wilted towards the end. Clearly Liverpool were fitter and it paid off earning them what could turn out to be a valuable point as the Season goes on.

Clearly VAR is not working as well as it should - this was obvious with several games over the week end also having problems.


I don't think the foul was sneaky and maybe if he hadn't thrown himself theatrically to the floor it could have been a different decision.

Klop clearly wasn't a happy bunny.

Then he blamed United for playing defensively. " They always play defensive ". United were certainly not defensive for most of the game;
and only in the last 1o minutes did they do so. They paid for this by fall back to try to protect their lead by doing so.
Most clubs would have done the same.....including Liverpool.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Oct 19 - 02:28 PM

Hi

Just getting ready to watch Liverpool v Genk.

I don't know how good Genk are but all games in Europe can be tricky.

I see Mo is back so that should sharpen up the attacking game as they looked a bit lost the other night.

Fingers crossed for you Steve.

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 19 - 06:07 AM

I had to follow it furtively on my phone in a restaurant. Great to see The Ox back on song. I think he's going to be a mighty asset.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Oct 19 - 08:56 AM

Ive just reread my last post. I absolutely assure you that the near-juxtaposition of OX and ASSet was completely unintentional. His nickname, The Ox, the first two letters of his surname, is intended to be complimentary. He's no ass, not even a little one.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Oct 19 - 09:17 AM

Hi Steve

" OX" is certainly no mug....far from it ......

He scored two fine goals of completely different types showing he is capable of scoring many more goals to help Liverpool's drive for the Premiere League.

We would be happy to take him from you !!!!!

United won finally an away match ....mind you it wasn't a great game.
A penalty was their only shot on target Mind you we had virtually
a second team out. one or two young players look promising but the old players looked out of ideas....and puff !!!! as the neared the end.

Jones was lost....I think I could move faster !!!

We play Norwich on Sunday..rumours are that if they lose Olly will be up the road.

heers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 27 Oct 19 - 07:44 AM

Hi I will be watching the Liverpool Spurs game. Should be a cracker.

Man Unites Norwich will not be of that standard ....if United don't win it could be curtains for Ole !!! ( sorry Eliza.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Oct 19 - 03:48 PM

And what a cracker. More edge-of-seat stuff. Liverpool showed the mentality of champions. I couldn't believe all those near-misses, and kudos to the Spurs goalie who was magnificent. Harry Kane's play-acting gets on my tits. But Sadio is a total class act. Deadly!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Oct 19 - 10:11 PM

When I think about it, with Liverpool it's all about attitude. Goal down? Bollocks, just get one! Lose the ball? Bollocks, just press the buggers and win it back! Hendo was brilliant today, as was Fabinho. And Trent. Stop me somebody. what a game!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Oct 19 - 11:19 AM

Hi Steve

Yes great game. Liverpool as you say just got on with it after Spurs scored in the first minute. It was a somewhat strange goal.

I just can't see any one good enough to beat Liverpool. They have the players, the Manager and the attitude plus the plans to carry them trough. And they are great to watch. Great entertainment.

Man U managed a win away 3-1 despite missing two penalties !! There was some satisfaction with United's   game. But they have much to do yet.

As in several games again this week-end VAR left a lot to to be desired. Something must be done.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 19 - 05:54 PM

Well Liverpool beat Arsenal on penalties in the craziest, stupidest, wackiest, most amazingly entertaining game you could wish for! Both teams put their kids on and they played their bloody hearts out, all of 'em. They put the few old timers entirely in the shade. Full of mistakes but fast and furious and with ten goals and exactly what football should be all about. The 18-year-old who shed all his nerves, a scouser and Liverpool fan since birth, put that last penalty in with aplomb. Go, Curtis! Make that man a freeman of Liverpool! And Jurgen, force Divock to sign a ten-year contract!

I believe there was another match tonight but I'll deal with that later...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Oct 19 - 07:09 PM

I hear that Rashford played well. Good to see one of the best players in the country finally let off the leash.

You can criticise the managers of the top teams for fielding weak line-ups in these second-tier cup competitions. But in the Anfield game the ploy worked a treat. Liverpool's final lineup tonight contained five teenagers and just two players over 24. In addition, their star big hitters weren't even on the bench! The same couldn't be said for Arsenal, but dammit, who cares, what a great match. None of that Pep tiki-takka stuff. Know what I mean, 'arry?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 31 Oct 19 - 05:27 AM

well, i know it is not in the same league as the great liverpool team (i enjoyed the spurs game - i don't think i've ever seen a winger play so far up the pitch as full-back andy robertson that night - and that against top opposition (well toppish) in a tight game) but i went up to dundee (from cumbria) on tuesday to see partick thistle at dundee united. i got the supporters bus (the only 2 women on the bus collected the money and organised the draw- with the unspoken assumption that the relatively feckless men weren't to be trusted with the purse strings) from a friend's house in milngavie. well, i won't dwell too much on the game - (we played well and lost 1-0) but i had some great highlights to my trip - the joys of lower league football. i sat beside an older (70s?)couple who were very enthusiastically supporting the jags, and very friendly. when i asked about the accent 'braw, penners, braw laddie! turns out they were dundee fans who come out wherever possible to support whoever are playing against rivals dundee united. all good - another great day at the football spoiled only by the football. we got back to friend's house latish - a small dram, roe deer in the garden and jags bottom of the league

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 31 Oct 19 - 05:36 AM

and we had time for a pint in a great wee football pub, the Klep - which is Pa Broon's local

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Oct 19 - 05:53 AM

Well in an odd kind of way last night's Anfield game reminded me of those fast, open third-division games I used to see as a lad at Gigg Lane, full of howlers committed by hairy-arse lads but with plenty of thrills to match the spills. Bury 5 Rotherham 0 was one such that I remember. Freezing cold, standing in the paddock, everybody charging round to the other end at half time, just enough time to grab a bag of Smith's crisps and a cup of hot bovril, trying not to drop your wooden rattle... Happy days!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 31 Oct 19 - 10:44 AM

Hi

I watched every minute of the Man United Chelsea game but kept my eyes on Liverpool as much as I could. Really enjoyed it.The crowd certainly got their money's worth.. Liverpool just don't think about losing they are almost unstoppable !!!

It is not today the only game of it's type,   I can remember some years ago when Man United played .....yes I believe it was Aston Villa, It was a very high scoring game. I remember Fergie when getting interviewed by the press. He asked Fergie was he concerned about his defence having so many goals scored against them. Fergie replied " Not as long as we score one more, as we usually do.

Man United played well last night and took the game to Chelsea. A young side looked good. Rashford was outstanding creating problems for the Chelsea defence. United got a penalty which Rashford chose to take even though he had missed 2 out of the the last three he took.


But it was a later.goal from a fantastic free kick from a long way out.

This was a good win for United but we need much more consistency to convince all the fans that they are back in th race.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Nov 19 - 01:07 PM

The Villa-Liverpool game wasn't televised so I had to listen to Five Live. After losing for almost the whole match, Liverpool snatched it last gasp. Them boys don't know how to lose!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 10:12 AM

Hi Steve

" them boys don't know how to lose." Yes you are right. I listened on the radio. Fantastic finish....not one but two goals in the last couple of minutes. Phewwww.

I watched Man united v Bournemouth. United don't know how to win.
They had the majority of possession but wasted it with another miserable performance.

cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 11:13 AM

Liverpool managed it in spite of the anti-Liverpool Jon Moss and the anti-Liverpool Martin Atkinson, the VAR ref. How WRONG is it that a fellow referee and possible good mate should be the one to be challenged to overturn the ref's decision? The whole world could see that Bobby Firmino was onside, but the linesman's wrong call was allowed to stand. If it's a mistake it's a mistake and all this "clear and obvious" guff is a shambles. If VAR can't clear up errors then it should be scrapped. There were ten goals in the VAR-free cup match last week and OK, one was offside, but one error in ten is human. VAR seems to actually set errors in stone. On top of Firmino's "offside" there was a possible handball in the box not given and there was Mané booked for diving when he'd been fouled. Errors going uncorrected. Last week a clear foul by a Man U player was overlooked by VAR and the upshot was a goal for United. Farcical. If it's a foul it's a foul, end of. VAR is just stopping the one thing that makes football the greatest sport, its flow. Get rid!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 06:26 PM

And just look at how VAR ruined the match at Everton. Shocking decisions. And Martin Atkinson sending off Son? He should never ref a big match again!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 03:48 AM

I shall have to rethink that last post as I realise that it was VAR wot made made the decision to turn the card red. I still think that Atkinson is a very poor referee. And the Dele handball was blatant yet not given. Clear and obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 02:36 PM

Hi Steve

" Dele handball was blatant yet not given. Clear and obvious."

IMHO It was not clear or obvious. His hand was on the top his head when th ball struck it.

This shows the problems with VAR. It is very subjective so it leaves oportunity for argument.

The thing we need to clear this is to decide who is the judge ..VAR or Referee.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Nov 19 - 10:06 AM

Hi
Last night I went to Old Trafford With my no. 1 son who had organized it as a surprise for my birthday.

It was a great performance by United against Partizan.
The ground was packed despite the weather.

After a 20 min delay United got stuck in and attacked from the start,
It could have been 4or five up after ten minutes. Then youngster Mason scored his first goal in the first team....There will be more I am sure. Further goals by Martial and Rashford both great goals.

All in all for me it was a great night and the beer went down well, plus a tot or two of The Mc Callan.

I hope United can start to play as we know they used to.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Nov 19 - 01:46 PM

Well there's ya go, Mike. Liverpool snuffed out the tiki-takka! Citeh had their moments and they didn't half miss their best goalie. But a lousy defence and a hundred million's-worth of defenders on the bench...? Get a grip, Pep! Is there currently a better team on earth than Liverpool, except for Partick Thistle?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 08:54 AM

How can I allow this thread to drop off the bottom! So, instead of typing the lame "refresh," I shall simply say, hey Mike, was it handball or not? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 09:20 AM

Hi Steve

I watched the whole game. Great to watch.
I think that VAR was wrong. It was hand ball.the goal should not have stood.

But I don't think it would have changed the result. Liverpool were

awsome and could have won more easily. Is the League over ????

I can't see Liverpool losing 3 games but that's the thing with football...you just never know.

I listened to Man United v Brighton and then watched the highlights in TV.

Great game as United tore shreds out of Brighton.

Who would have thought 21 shots on target ??????   !!!!!.

We missed a lot of chances and VAR cocked up 2 decisions against.
United.

Green shoots are appearing.!!!!....fingers crossed Cheers.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 04:14 PM

I'm not so tribal that I don't want Man U to do well. After all, they were me Grandad's team for decades (he was already getting on a bit in the days of Bobby Charlton and Denis Law...), so good luck to 'em, say I. I think it was more the Catholic/Busby ethos than anything else! My grandad was a Salford man who worked in the docks all his life. He loved a pint of Tetleys or Boddies and knew every pub in Salford. Among other things, my gran worked in the Halls sweet factory. They ended up in Whitefield, which is where I remember them from. We gave Grandad a helluva great sendoff in a pub near Strangeways. Many a pint of Boddies was consumed, and that was in the days when Boddies WAS Boddies!

But Mike. The ball hit Bernardo's hand and ricocheted on to Trent's arm. Look at his other arm. Same position. No intent. Point blank. Total accident. I'm puzzled as to how you thought that was a pen but not the blatant Dele one from last week...?

Let's always argue football. It stops the world from fighting wars...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Nov 19 - 05:46 PM

Whatever else, Mike, will you ever see a team score three goals that were all utterly sublime? Brilliant thunderbolt strike by Fab, superb pass from Trent to Robbo then that amazing cross to Mo, then that incredible old-fashioned winger's cross from Hendo on to the head of Mané? No scuffed goals, no in-offs, no penalty goals, none of that. All three poetry in motion. That second goal has to be the goal of the season, though Hendo's cross for the third was world class.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 09:51 AM

Hi Steve yes they were all great goals. I don't think I have seen better.

Your grandfather sounds very much like my father. He as a Catholic the Followed United and supped his bodingtons etc.He gave up the pits in Barnsley and   worked in Salford too. He worked in construction building multi floored buildings. to come to Manchester.

Maybe they even sat - stood near each other at Old Traford.

Small World eh ?

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Nov 19 - 07:20 PM

Maybe they did, Mike, but my grandad would never have afforded a seat. We can never know, sadly. This getting older malarkey is a bit of a bugger...

Despite the proximity, I only ever went to Old Trafford the once, to see Burnley getting slaughtered 6-0 on a mudbath. Because of family bias, I went mostly to Gigg Lane, occasionally to Turf Moor and Ewood and rarely anywhere else. Good times, though, and a damn sight more affordable than today...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Nov 19 - 10:01 AM

hi Steve

I just followed United because it was all I knew about football. My first recollections were as a a six year old was that on a Saturday after the matches had finished I used to sit on my Mother's knee listening to the football scores on the radio. If united won my Father would come home and my Mother would have his tea ready...if they lost he would have a few ales and his meal would be burnt.

That's probably why I started to play rugby and did so for the next 40 years. But I followed United all this time but hardly ever got to see them. After retiring from rugby I bought myself a Season Ticket and the rest is history !!!

Come on you Reds !!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Nov 19 - 02:25 PM

H i

Just heard that Spurs have fired "Potch". and guess who is replacing him.

No other than Jose Mourinho !!!

We at Man united were not sorry to see him go.

It is roumoured that Potch will go to Man U ???

WE could do worse....we have demonstrated with Moyse ect ect.

Will be very interesting here.

We play Spurs next week !!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 03:26 PM

Mourinho will get eight million a year but won't get dough to improve his squad. It looks bad to me. Who knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 19 - 08:35 PM

Could be a different kind of Liverpool at Palace. Mo and Robbo are both injured. Trent will have to keep Zaha at bay, so the usual cut and thrust from the full backs will be missing. Divock may be picked to replace Mo and Milner to replace Robbo. I think that Ox should start in midfield. And Chelsea could upset the applecart...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Nov 19 - 08:05 PM

Well Chelsea didn't upset the applecart, Robbo played after all and Liverpool ground out another win in the style of true champions. Great day for Partick too!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 02:39 PM

Hi Steve

Yes Liverpool just don't know how to lose. They went very close this time but once again they came through to make it look like the League is a one horse race.!!! They got very close to it but VAR came to the rescue. Well done once again.

I was in one of my old hunting grounds......In Sheffield. ( My Aunt Uncle and cousins lived there and I spent a lot of time there in my Youth . I was there yesterday and went to watch Man United v Sheffield who have had a great return to the Premier League.

Strange game with Sheffield looking like wiping the floor with Us.
For 70 minutes they could/ should have gone six up but due to luck and some superb saves from De Gea they only managed 2 But a huge change... United scored three goals in 7 minutes we went ahead.!!! Then in the 90th minute Sheffield got a break and thanks to VAR they equalised.
....a deserved draw ...no not for Man U but in the circumstances we will take that.

cheers Mike

Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 19 - 04:12 PM

Well, VAR got that one right. It's a good job for Man U that Sheffield U had a brain fart for ten minutes, otherwise Ole would have been considering his position today.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Nov 19 - 02:29 PM

Hi Steve yes they got VAR Right For Liverpool but It took a hell of a time> Must do better.

The Effort with Sheffield was not as clear cut and from a couple of angles he appeared to handle it. A number of pundits agreed that it should not have been a goal. But on the run of play Man U did not deserve to win.

I don't think Ole is through the woods yet. Especially if they can get "Potch" !!!

We will have to wait.....

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Dec 19 - 05:36 PM

Bloody Amazon bloody Prime! They've bought up 20 Premier League December games that you can now no longer get on Sky or BT Sport. That includes tomorrow's Merseyside derby and the Man U and Leicester games, among others, six in all, all of which kick off between 7.30 and 8.15. Amazon are telling us how great that is because we can watch the first half of one then the whole of the next. What bollocks! I set myself up with a second Amazon account with a different email (gawd knows whether that's even legal) because they're giving "new" customers (which is what I am not) a 30-day free trial. So I've bagged that before, in 30 days' time, I have to do the Hotel California bit and try to extricate meself lest I start paying £7.99 a month. Grr. It's bad enough that I have to have two subscriptions, costing me about twelve quid, to watch Premier League and Champions League games. I hope that Amazon will decide that the game ain't worth their candle. It would be outrageous if we end up paying three different subscriptions. End of rant!

I did watch Burnley/Man City on Prime tonight. The commentators were idiots but the streaming was very good, I must admit. Crap result.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Dec 19 - 02:59 PM

Hi Steve. I have the same problems. I can buy Prime to get Premier league games on my BT/SKY set-up. BUT I have seen a price quoted of £25 per month !!!!!for all the Premier league Year for the whole year..which means for the rest of the year only..

I won't pay this regardless however it hurts by not being able to watch the Premier League games.

Tonight I will listen on the Radio. I have my sons out trying to find a way of beating this.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Dec 19 - 06:22 PM

I used my gmail account, which I rarely use for anything, to set up a new account with Amazon, which gives me a 30-day free trial of Prime. That's long enough to cover all the matches that Prime have bought this season. I watched a match last night and I watched the Merseyside derby tonight. The first half was incredible with three dream-like goals from Liverpool. Amazing. Went off the boil in the second half but hey ho. Great night and we're on our way!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Dec 19 - 02:40 PM

Hi Steve

I Have my son "looking into finding a reasonable way of sorting something out for me to have Premier League games.

Last night I watched the high-lights on Match of the day 2.

Wow what a game we had from Liverpool....v old rivals Everton mouth-watering attacks created some superb goals. Both wingbacks were fantastic. It gut a bit " spicy" but Liverpool just kept playing.

Even with City winning easily against Burnley, I cann't see anyone catching Jergens'men,

I listened to Man United v Toottenham on Radio 5 live, then watched the highlights when they beat Spurs in a good performance by United.

Rashford was superb and only some good saves by the keeper and the crossbar prevented his chance of at least 3 more.

It was lovely for us to see Mourinho taking a beating !!!

We Take on City at weekend .....hope we can do well and do you a favour in the process.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 19 - 04:05 AM

As a Liverpool-backing tribalist I never thought I'd hear meself saying this, but go, Man U!

I'm actually beginning to worry more about Leicester...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 03:38 PM

Great job, Man U! A bit sweaty towards the end but you've effectively kicked Citeh out of the race. Now come on, Villa...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:19 AM

Hi Steve

Yes United beat them for you. We played very well especially in the First half. We split City's defence like a kipper....could/should have had 4 or five. Yes it got a bit close at the end. This highlighted one of the many problems Ole has. We have nobody really any good on the bench. He's cleaned out a lot of players so we are hoping that he can fix this.

I don't think you will have any trouble with Vila....we should have beat them last week.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 01:40 PM

Leicester are still snapping at our heels, tho' from a distance...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:18 PM

I must say, that individual Son goal against Burnley was the best I've seen for years. Right up there with Maradona in 1986. Definite goal of the season - so far!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 01:59 PM

Another vintage European Liverpool night. A great performance and a Mo wonder goal. We're the greatest!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Dec 19 - 02:45 PM

Hi Steve

Yes another fine display by a team that doesn't know how to lose.

Yes a spectacular goal by Mo. How he scored from that angle I just couldn't believe it.

Top of the Group and top of The Premier League. !!!

Just how far can this team go? Great stuff to watch.

Just finished watching City, They are winning 3-1 and just had a man sent off.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Dec 19 - 09:21 AM

Hi

Last night I was lucky enough to be offered a free place in a Box at Old Trafford. My son works for a Dutch ompany and they sent some free tickets for us.
We were playing Dutch side Alkmkaar . Good game to watch But 3 goals in 7 minutes slowed up the visitors.

Great night out; a meal and free booze offered and it was gratefully taken.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Dec 19 - 08:36 AM

As Leicester inexplicably dropped points against Norwich, we now have a ten-point gap. I'm beginning to think that the race is done and dusted...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 19 - 08:44 PM

What a day! Leicester dropped more points and the lads won the club World Cup! It was a great game to watch and I thought that both teams were magnificent. A bit of play-acting from the boys from Brazil and the worst ref I've ever seen, but it didn't matter. We did it! Go, Bobby! But wasn't Hendo magnificent...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Dec 19 - 05:49 AM

hi Steve
First...yes a really good game and as you said , two great teams fighting to win the Crown.

I thought Liverpool just deserved to win and to join Man United as the only two European winners.


Congrats.

Mike

PS You forgot Man City's good win over Leicester. ....they'r coming to catch you...lol

Have a great Xmas

Regards Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Dec 19 - 07:11 PM

Well what a few days, Mike. Liverpool totally imperious against Leicester, showing them who's really boss in the Premier League. Then Wolves giving Citeh a bloody good kicking. I've loved watching Wolves this season. So positive, so entertaining to watch. Nuno is a genius. Of course, it's the Reds vs Wolves on Sunday. I'll try not to let my tribal instincts kick in, but it should be a super game ...!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Dec 19 - 05:56 AM

hi STeve

Yes a great week for football fans. Liverpool just keep smashing any competitors with exhilarating football. My favorite Kent seems to get better every day.

I was at Old Trafford and in front of a huge crowd saw United mop up after giving Newcastle a goal start. The team clicked and they scored 4 great goals. Trouble is that they can't deliver consistently.

We face Burnley next who always give United a run for their money.

Yes I have seen some games with Wolves who always look great

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 02:42 PM

Wow. Liverpool. Just *how* many broken records? Ooh and now it's a music thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 02:56 PM

ManU 4 Norwich City 0
Husband sitting at his laptop in utter despair...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 20 - 07:51 PM

I can honestly say, with maximum bias of course, that I've never seen such sublime football as Liverpool are currently playing. They make mistakes, leave gaps and have me on the edge of my seat at times, but their passing game and their positivity and energy are a joy to behold. In Klopp we trust...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 04:33 AM

i'll agree with that - though it is only the english game i have loved watching liverpool playing around with the extra gear (in their engine not the wardrobe) they have found. i also love it that i can watch them in the warm and dry in the pub. however, i wonder if it is time for them to maximise their potential by transferring to play in the scottish league?

yesterday i was up in glasgow again and joined the independence march in the pure pishin' rain. despite the weather we had an impressive turn out and plenty of energy and noise.

however, it did mean that i was wet and cold for the rest of the day - dinner in tennents bar and then to firhill to see partick thistle take on league leaders dundee united. there's a bit of a pattern for jags - a promising start, lose a goal and then lose hope . (1-4 yesterday) for the first time in recent years i left early (missing our only goal of course) seeking warmth and dry and another gloomy trip home to cumbria.

rumour has it we are due to sign 4 players in january. rumour doesn't have it that would be virgil, andy robertson (i'm sure he is longing to get hame) wijnaldum and firmino. but maybe if we could offer klippitty a new challenge he would bring these guys with him?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jan 20 - 07:03 PM

I'd love to see Liverpool sweeping the board this season. Giving us a legend to remember for the next hundred years. But next season I want to see a really tough challenge. Chelsea have a brilliant youth policy (and the bloke who decorates my house is a massive Chelsea fan, and I get it). And Spurs. A club that belongs to one of the most deprived bits of London. They've made a terrible mistake hiring Maureen-O. Against Liverpool he tried parking two buses in the first half. His players were rooted to the spot. The Bobby goal forced them to play more out in the second half, and all of a sudden (once they'd subbed Ericksen), they were a team transformed. I've always liked watching Spurs. They desperately need to get away from the "feed Harry at all costs" syndrome. The next few months without him will do them a power of good. I'd love to see a big Spurs/Chelsea/Liverpool scrap next season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 06:29 AM

But next season I want to see a really tough challenge.

I think we'd all agree with that. This season's title race is shaping up to be about as exciting as Schumacher-era F1. Yes, you can admire the skill, but better do it standing up or you could fall asleep.

Oh, and when I opened this thread I got a pop-up ad for 'Period Pants'. Is that meant to be targeted advertising?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 03:07 PM

Hi Sen

I was at the match and United chose that day to " have a blinder"
They played the best I have seen of them this year other than the Win against Mun City
and the one against Paris san Germain.

I don't feel that the scoreline with Norwich was fair to them. They played well for the first half and could have scored except for some fine saves by our keeper and some wayward shooting by the strikers.

I know how he feels......all supprters do.

Regards

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 04:35 PM

Hello there Mike!
It's such a shame that we're now at the bottom of the Premier League.
My poor husband nonetheless wore all his Norwich City clothes in the supermarket yesterday, and complete strangers kept coming up to him and patting him on the shoulder or grabbing his hand and shaking it.

The sad thing is, he used to be an ardent Man U supporter, but had come to love Norwich City FC too.
Ah well...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jan 20 - 06:50 PM

Prepare for Sunday, Mike. I'll enjoy it, you'll endure it... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Jan 20 - 09:36 AM

Hi Steve

I will just take it as Football. We have had a good run when Liverpool could only watch and envy.

We will be back but I don't know when.

Cheers

Mike.

PS Man U have a habit of beating top teams and losing to lower teams.....Example Watford

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 20 - 06:23 PM

What a match, Mike. Seat of pants start to finish. I'm sick about Marcus. We need to see him every week. United had to go all out to get the equaliser and they nearly did it, then suffered at the end because everyone was up front. Man U fought like tigers. They were up against a very canny and experienced team. Even though they've lost Marcus and Young and have other injuries, they were great to watch. Days of hope, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Jan 20 - 02:57 PM

Hi Steve

I agree with you entirely, great to watch and both sides playing some good football......could have gone either way even thought Liverpool commanded most of the play.

I noticed the the game was played in a sensible way and did not spoil the match with unsavioury behavior that has marred these games by both teams in the past.

Yes losing Marcus is a huge blow, but we will have to live with it.


Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Feb 20 - 09:31 PM

MikeL2,
did you say Watford Hornets?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 08:53 PM

... no-one watched Liverpool FC lose the match?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 04:06 AM

We did keberoxu! Ismaila Sarr, who scored twice, is a Senegalese player, and looks as if he's going to do great things. Wish Norwich City had him on their team! At least we beat Leicester last Friday 1-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 20 - 09:45 AM

If only he'd said soccer.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Mar 20 - 02:33 PM

Hi Steve

WE have been away in the mountains of Spain in the Alpujara. Very quiet but very interesting.
A
re the wheels coming off ?? This is getting worrying.

Didn't watch much football but have caught up with some of what I missed.

Getting ready to Watch Man City ( On TV ) City after yet another Trophy

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 20 - 03:29 PM

I know that area, Mike - where did you go?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 20 - 05:57 PM

Great stuff from the Canaries. Give that goalkeeper a rise!

Citeh: *yawn.* Their ground isn't called the Emptyhad for nothing...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Mar 20 - 06:00 PM

Miracles can actually happen! Who would have thought it???

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Mar 20 - 06:23 PM

It wasn't really a miracle. Norwich are as good a team that ever suffered the relegation zone as I can remember.They're great to watch, as are Southampton, Wolves, Sheff U and, dare I say it, Watford... I'd far sooner watch them than the Tottenhams, Arsenals, Cities and Man Us of this world...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Mar 20 - 06:35 PM

Thanks for that Steve - very encouraging!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Mar 20 - 09:30 AM

hI Hi Steve

" I know that area, Mike - where did you go? "

Got round many of the "white Villages "

ie Bercules, Valor, Great views of the Mountains .Ujijar Best Tapas inthis area of great tapas
Ogeva.    Tevelez best place for Jamon ..... Motril .and so on

We went once again to Granada and The Alahambra - breathtaking !!
And so on .

Back to football Watched United last night and in a tepid game United coasted home.

Now for Norwich !!!

We have the small task of beating City on Sunday

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 20 - 06:23 PM

Hey, Mike, I know those white villages (now which one was it with all those amazing chimneys...), and have spent a couple of nights in Trevelez. I remember that shop/cafe with hundreds of hams hanging from the ceiling...lovely smell!...and those flower pots on the wall with knitted cosies! I've travelled round there with the missus and sister a couple of times. I have some great pics of us sitting outside the coffee shop in Valor...Isn't it all wonderful!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 20 - 06:30 PM

We also stayed in Granada and did the Alhambra by moonlight, and again the next day. On another occasion we stayed in the middle of Córdoba, right next to the Mezquita-Catedral, which is stunning. Two lovely cities, though it was a bit hot on both our visits, 40C every day! It was fine as long as you stayed out of the sun as the humidity was very low. Memorable!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 11:15 AM

Hi Steve
WE did see some unusual chimneys - they seemed to pop up directly from the ground.; Mostly from the Cave Village of Guadix. Worth a visit.

Back on topic.....Watched Liverpool struggle slightly to beat Bournemouth.

Just getting ready to watch United v City. Should be interesting...

Just watching Everton get mauled by Chelsea'

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 02:37 PM

Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

Manchester United 2 Manchester City 0, nothing, zero, zilch, zip, naught, absolutely sweet FA !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 06:50 AM

Yes, very satisfying to see Citeh of the Emptyhad well-sheikhen, I must say. Man U are definitely coming good. Fernandez was a bloody good buy. Good to see, though obviously I want them to come second every season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 10:16 AM

Hi Raggy

Ha Ha

Yes great win for United they shoe that they improving and Not may teams do the double against City.

A fantastic game to watch with white hot atmosphere in the stadium.

Helped Liverpool as if they needed it.!!!!!!!

We have to get in the top 4 and it could be on,

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 10:19 AM

Hi Steve

I don;t mind if they come second to Liverpool ...... but only for this year we hoping to get back to the top once again.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 03:25 PM

Hi Steve et al
Tomorrow night sees Man United play in the Euro playoffs in Austria.

But due the problems caused By coranovirus they will be playing behind closed gates.

I believe that this is not fair to the players especially one ( about 1000) Man United supporters who are hoping to go.

In my opinion it will spoil the game.

What do you think?????

Cheers MikeL2

coronavirus

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 08:06 PM

Bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 03:03 PM

Hi Steve

" Bugger",,,, Yes Liverpool played in a frantic game and the much champion defence caved and let the Spanish team move on in this Competition. It was a surprise but hey......that'football.

Watching Man United in Austria in an eerie atmosphere of no spectators.

Half Time Man United 1 Plask - 0

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 06:09 AM

Hi

Score now Lask ) -0 Man Man United 5

Pedestrian game and united were never in any trouble.

From a points view it is great but the lack of specs. is boring

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Mar 20 - 07:07 AM

What will happen to league positions if the rest of the season is cancelled? :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 16 Mar 20 - 12:14 PM

Hi Dave
Don't know what they will do but my view is that the current situation and league positions should stand.

I know that many clubs will not agree with me.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 01:42 PM

There is one bright bit about this bloody virus.

At least Liverpool will be denied an outright premiership title!

Having lost three of their last four games who knows how the rest of the season would have panned out!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 20 - 02:36 PM

Nice piece in the Guardian by Klopp. Your opinion of him will soar when you read it. Funny how so many of the greatest managers in English football are good socialists. Shankly, Cloughie, Fergie, now Jurgen...

And I do think that any decent football fan would fully sympathise with Liverpool FC when you consider the brilliant season they've had and the great entertainment they've given us. But nobody's crowing and nobody's bitter, which is how it should be. Just for once, there something happening a bit more important than footie.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 02:00 PM

Do you think God would like us accepting Jose Mourinho making a fortune, from a betting company, out of declaring himself the "Special One"? My #poem, from WalkaboutsVerse, "Getting to know God"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 04:55 PM

What God? Get off yer knees!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Mar 20 - 04:57 PM

Don't just say bread, say Hovis.

Don't just say God, say Shankly...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Apr 20 - 01:43 PM

Sad news about bites-yer-legs. That was a great scrap with Franny Lee, innit, and Osgood didn't really appreciate having his sideboards grabbed... RIP, Norman!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 11:30 AM

hi Steve

I'm back in "town" after a few weeks in Menorca.
Sad to see that " Norm who bites yer leg has left us.

Great player to watch and surely he should have played for his Country.

He helped Leeds to be top
boys for a spell

Have been watching one or two " Classic Matches in the past.

Hope we can get down to the " real football once again.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 20 Apr 20 - 11:32 AM

PS Should have said more caps.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 19 Jun 20 - 05:06 AM

So nothing's changed. Sheffield United are still getting rubbish decisions against them.

Having been denied a goal earlier in the season because VAR intervened so say the player's big toe may have been a millimeter offside, now another one when the ball was miles over the line but VAR said nothing.

Could be important and expensive at the end of the season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 06:12 AM

Hi I watched the game and must agree that The Blades got robbed by a lack of co-ordination between the Referee and the operator of the technology.

I also have watched several other games and some strange decisions have been made.

I include the decisions made in " my Team's recent battle with Spurs.

Some strange decisions against both sides and I think United got the better deals.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jun 20 - 06:33 AM

I don't much care for the fake crowd noises...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 07:01 AM

Hi Steve

I don't like the fake crowd noises.

I atched the Liverpool " Darby" Everton decided tohave all the side back in defence. It made a farce as Liverpool just could not break through. In fact Everton nearly scored as they hit the post with Keeper well beaten.

It's not all over yet !!!!!!!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jun 20 - 09:55 AM

Ancelotti is a wily old bugger and he had his defence well organised. In a good few matches before the lockdown, Liverpool were stymied by several teams parking the bus. I thought Liverpool warmed to the task more in the second half and were moving the ball around more in the way we're used to seeing, but all too often the long balls were inaccurate and the final pass wasn't hitting its target. They looked blunt up front. They definitely missed the Salah threat and the Robbo surges up the flank. One or two heart-attack defensive moments too. I'm not worrying. Go, Burnley!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Jun 20 - 05:51 AM

Hi Steve

I agree with you about Ancelotti. He has created a well organised unit. Does'nt produce much skill or excitement but .....hey... that's Football

I watched City tear apart a shattered Burnley due to off the field stupidity.

Nuff said

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jun 20 - 07:27 AM

So well done to Liverpool for winning the premiership. Good luck in the chase for the highest points total.

Ye gods, that was difficult.


Just remember though you have won it once. Now to prove you're a great team try and do what United did and win it 5 times this decade and 6 times the next decade and a couple of times in the decade after that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Jun 20 - 11:17 AM

Sour grapes will get you nowhere. Klopp may not quite be God, aka Shankly, but he sure is seated at the right hand of the father...

Of all the campaigns since the Premier League started, Liverpool's this season has been the finest of them all. They've got some amazing home-grown players on the up and up as well. The future is bright. And I think future threats to our supremacy will come from Chelski, not Citeh. If the latter are banned from the Champions League, I can't see De Bruyne staying. Or Sterling. Or Pep even. And their defence, let's face it, needs urgent attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Jun 20 - 01:31 PM

Not sour grapes at all Steve, Liverpool have played well and deserved to be champions.

However in the time the premiership has been running there have been 7 winners.

Liverpool          1
Blackburn          1
Leicester          1
Arsenal            3
Man City          4
Chelsea            5
Manchester United 13

These are the facts. In the seasons where United didn't win it they were second on 6 occasions and third on 3 occasions.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jun 20 - 06:28 AM

hi

I watched Man United play Norwich yesterday.

It was the worst performance I have ever seen from United.....and I've seen some c***p in my time. It was like watching paint dry.

Olly changed his side with 8 changes and they played as if they were strangers.

But.....after scoring a lucky goal on the last minute, they won and now go into the semi finals of the FA Cup !!!!! Norwich battled hard after having man sent off. They wuz robbed.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 20 - 06:35 AM

Hi

Watched Man United with Brighton last night.
What a change in two days. They played with purpose and power. This was rewarded by a (0 - 3 result away from home.

It could ( should ) have been more when Oly removed his best players and it was to save them for more difficult tasks to come.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Aug 20 - 03:24 PM

What are "clean sheets" ??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Aug 20 - 03:37 PM

My husband was extremely jealous of the young security guard in the supermarket this morning, who was wearing an anti-Covid mask with the Norwich City FC logo printed on it. (We were masked in boring old blue things bought in a multi-pack) So I asked the chap where he'd bought it, and he was kind enough to give me the website of a Norwich lady who sews them. I might try and buy a few, but they're the washable sort, and I think chuck-away ones are safer.
The supermarket is right beside the Norwich City stadium, and it was very sad to see it all deserted.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 14 Aug 20 - 03:50 PM

Looked up my own question.
US calls it something else:
"shutout"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 04:38 AM

A really good goalie can help to achieve a clean sheet, as can parking the bus. Hope this helps. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 09:06 AM

I shouldn't ask, but ...

what is "parking the bus" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 09:15 AM

Playing with the sole aim of not conceding a goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 10:54 AM

HA clean sheet is s0mething like my Bank Account....or Mother Hubbards' cupboard.   

It means the goalkeeper must keep them or it is time to go//.....David De Gea ????? I think so.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 20 - 02:42 PM

"Parking the bus" is a team putting ALL their players in a defensive roll. Not, or rarely, venturing out of their own half, not trying to score a goal, merely preventing the opposing team from scoring.

Boring as hell if you have to suffer watching such a match.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 06 Oct 20 - 09:10 AM

This thread has gone a bit quiet lately. But with Manchester United and Liverpool both losing by five goal margins, I would have thought someone would have something to say.

Not me though, I'm a lifelong Sheffield United supporter, I'm keeping quiet.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 11:30 AM

High G Force

Thanks for opening this topic.

As a longtime Man United supporter I am still astonished by the by the players' lack of dedication etc.

I was also amazed by Liverpool's performance....if it were possible they were worse !!!!.

Serious changes will have to be made. Liverpool have the squad to put them back to to to.

I fear that Man United will be going the other way......
I don't think the transfers were good enough to make much improvement.

No doubt that Steve will have his view. .....

cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 08 Oct 20 - 02:31 PM

And coverage of tonight's 'friendly' match is about to start:

What time is England v Wales kick-off?
England v Wales kicks off at 8pm on Thursday, October 8.

Is England v Wales on TV?
Yes, the game will be screened live on S4C. Coverage begins at 7.30pm.

It will also be broadcast live on ITV1. Coverage on that channel also starts 30 minutes before kick-off.

Two channels as the commentating will be available in two languages.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Nov 20 - 12:16 PM

Maradona gone. Damn. He was a rogue but he was the best. :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 08:54 AM

hi steve

long time no see

Yes the football World will miss him

Just watching Liverpool v Brighton.

Brighton will rue their missed chances . including penalty .

They are suffering somewhat lately.

Man U very poor at the moment but have made a couple of good perform ences lately.

Liverpool Just scored.

Stay safe

Mike


Cheers

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:21 AM

Well I suppose that the outcome of that game was just about fair. A few years ago the penalty would never have been given. It was as soft as you like - AND there was no clear and obvious error. A few years ago Mo would not have been given offside. And the ref gave a Brighton player a yellow card for a foul that clearly wasn't a foul. Liverpool went on to score from the ensuing free kick but the goal was correctly judged to have been offside. Technically, all the decisions went the right way in the end. But the technology is seriously getting in the way of the game, and the ref didn't exactly help. I want a game played by human beings refereed by a human being.

And I fully agree with Jurgen about the Wednesday night-Saturday morning issue. It isn't fair on the club and it's dangerous for the players. The broadcasters are calling all the shots and the well-being of the the players comes a poor second.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Dec 20 - 07:38 PM

Well what a match at Anfield. Edge of seat stuff from start to finish, with Bobby Firmino polishing off Spurs with a devastating header. Huge!

I got this on Amazon Prime by the way, on a 30-day free trial. There are no catches. And I got the free trial even though I had one last year!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 01:23 AM

Maradonna was not the bes, could he play in different positions. Tom Finney could, then we hqve to consider messi, stan matthews,ronaldo jimmy greaves bobby charlton

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 05:46 AM

the preston plumber tom finney played centre forward left wing right wing and goalkeeper for england,
then we havent mentioned pele or george best

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 06:08 AM

hi stev. congrats on the Spurs game. Best Game I have watches for some time.

Clop realy upset Mourino Ha Ha .

WE Play today in what apears th be an easy game........ but with United these days Who Knows...???

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 06:13 AM

hi Sandman I Agree whith your commemts re. Tom Finny ect.

I think Georgie Best is the best I have seen.

Pity about the drinking....but hey ho....that's life.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 09:22 AM

Tom Finney was slightly before my time, but my dad always said that he was the greatest. My boyhood hero was Jimmy McIlroy. Tribalism prohibits me from considering anyone who played for Man U. :-) As for the greatest of all, pick from Pele, Maradona and Messi. In m'humble.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 02:05 PM

My Father who was born in Preston always spoke very highly of Sir Tom Finney.

I believe Tom played Left Wing, Inside Left, Centre Forward, Inside Right and Right Wing for England.

I have to say I was unaware he had ever played Goalkeeper and to date have been unable to find any reference to this.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Dec 20 - 06:12 PM

When I was 13 I was picked for the Thornleigh under-14 cricket team. One day we played Preston Catholic College at their school. I scored 29, the second-highest score of the season, and I was eventually out LBW (it was an unjust decision in m'humble, delivered by their sports teacher) after they'd used ten different bowlers against me. Also in the match I ran one of their lads out with a mighty throw from the square leg boundary, hitting the one stump directly. We won. It got me a mention in the annual school magazine. It was possibly the greatest day of my life.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Dec 20 - 09:50 AM

hi

Iwatched Man United beat Sheffield United last night. Good to watch United swing the ball around ,,,,,,,but oh Dear ,,,,,,,,what about that defence ....?????

it needs better than this.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 18 Dec 20 - 01:49 PM

Which one is 'United'?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Dec 20 - 04:26 PM

Oh G force there is only ONE United, the other are the like of Cambridge, Rotherham, Carlisle and other similar lessor teams

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Dec 20 - 04:55 PM

WHAT I NOTICE WAS THE AMOUNT OF DRIBBLING IN THE 1950S COMPARED TO TODAY

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Dec 20 - 05:26 PM

Anyone care to guess why he is shouting?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Dec 20 - 10:09 PM

Inotice that todays football has less tackling and less dribbling .
i believe that Finney played once as goalkeeper i think the regular goalkeeper had been injured.
Anyone care to guess why Raggytash is like a bear with a sore head

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 07:05 AM

Can you provide any links to information about Tom Finney playing in goal for England.

Given that he wasn't a very tall man I would have thought that other outfield players would have been chosen before him.

I simply cannot find any reference to him playing in goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 09:18 AM

there is only ONE United, the other are the like of Cambridge, Rotherham, Carlisle and other similar lessor teams

Oh, come on, Manchester United are better than that.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 12:57 PM

no i cannot find it at the momemt, i read it somewhere maybe its wrong ,anyway mr clever clogs, the point is he was versatile and played in different positions in an international career

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 01:20 PM

"anyway mr clever clogs,"

In what way am I being Mr Clever Clogs.

I said I couldn't find any reference to him playing in goal for England.

I cannot find any reference to him playing in goal for Preston either.

I didn't say he hadn't I said I could find no reference to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 01:20 PM

7.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 02:03 PM

That is, Palace nil, Liverpool seven. I need say no more!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 05:42 PM

How often does a team score seven and ship seven in the same season?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Dec 20 - 06:35 PM

Well many a pundit has said the same. But the seven today has wiped out Liverpool's less than ideal goal difference. Top goal scoring, best goal diff, top of the Christmas table. Be very afraid, Premier League...

And I'll tell you summat else. Every one of those seven goals was a gem. Deny that at your peril!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 05:58 PM

So only goal difference between Liverpool and Manchester United!

Who'd have thought it!!

I am not suggesting that I expect United to win the Premiership but I think it might put the wind up a few Scousers and those turncoats from Manchester who support the team.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 06:32 PM

I'm from Radcliffe, which is a lot nearer to Bury, Bolton, Oldham and Rochdale than to Old Trafford, and in any case it's a tribal thing in me family. Man U won't win the league because they are far too immature as a team, they rely far too much on Pogba, Marcus and Bruno, and Ole can't seem to get the consistent best out of the likes of Martial. They're good but not good enough, not yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 06:28 AM

HI Steve And Raggy

Yes we have hit the T0P..... Phew....

It is something that we Man U supporters have been waiting for....too   Long.

I have watched both Liverpool and United recently and I think that United have improved

United have improved quite a lot while Liverpool have dropped off
somewhat.

I know we have a way to go but they can give it a real go.

I think there is some problems in the dressing room with some of their best players are involved.

Long way to go yet but I wait expectively......

All the best.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 07:02 AM

I've said this before MikeL2 and I'll say it again.

Pogba has to go.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 07:09 AM

I, for my sins, support Sheffield United. I think it's a real shame that a club who should never have been relegated (yah booh West Ham!), and who took so long to haul themselves back up from the lower divisions, and who looked so promising last season, are right back down the bottom again. I guess the other teams have just worked out how to play them. And they desperately need a decent goalscorer.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 07:14 AM

He's another Ballotelli, innit. Fergie would have offloaded him aeons ago. Liverpool's recent success is built around a whole-team ethos. No-one is irreplaceable but everyone is invaluable. Man U have got to get away from pinning their hopes on one or two (Bruno, for example). Spurs are currently making the same mistake with Son and Kane. The decline of Barca is solely because the ethic is whatever you do, get it to Messi...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 08:13 AM

i predicted the blades would be releghated last year , i was a year earlyk, unless they can get a striker, maybe they should approach rangers about the wee fellow

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 08:26 AM

i meant defoe

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 09:58 AM

Hi Raggy

I couldn't agree more !!!! Pogba does nothing but cause trouble .

I know he can play IF HE Wants TO. But usually he just lumbers around.

He is not anything near to what he should be for his money!!!!!

Cheers

Mike.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 11:45 AM

Sad to hear about Tommy Docherty the other day :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 05:27 PM

And Gerry...Aw, bugger... :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 04:30 PM

And now the great Colin Bell has died... :-(

Anyone remember the Bell-Waldron restaurant in Whitefield? I never dined there, but my mum knew Colin...

Colin Waldron, of Burnley FC fame, eventually opened a bookies in Nelson. None of yer millions a month in those days...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 08:43 PM

There's a lovely tribute to Colin Bell in the Guardian, written by Simon Hattenstone (clearly a fan of King Colin, but that's footy for ya!). Very googlable...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jan 21 - 08:00 PM

Don't want to go too hyper about this, but the FA Cup third round game at Villa tonight was a bloody wonderful moment for sport. Villa had to put out a total youth team after their first team, and most of the management, were floored by coronavirus issues. Klopp was respectful in putting out a really strong lineup. Milner, Gino, Hendo, Mo, Fab, Bobby, Thiago, Shaq, Minamino and Sadio were all on show. The young Villa lads (a few of them were so young that their dads had to drop them off at the ground, as many hadn't passed their driving tests yet) put in a helluva great first-half performance. Louie Barry, aged 17, humbled Liverpool with a superb equaliser just before half-time. How good was it to see the ref walking back to the circle after that goal, grinning at Louie like a bloody Cheshire Cat! The Liverpool greats really had to get their act together after the break to beat, but not humble, the Villa lads, and they did it (eventually) in a really good, friendly spirit (though, as ever, taking no prisoners). So respectful. What a brilliant night for sport. Yet we could easily be facing another footie lockdown...Hard times of old England... :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 06:46 AM

hi Steve et al

Yes it was a great game. Both teams went for it and made a game that was great to watch.

We now have drawn Liverpool .....will the sparks fly ? or will they make a boring defensive game. We will see .....

Cheers

Mike......Just going for our "Jabs"

Makes a change to be Top of' the pile.....but as our Ages are
Eighty Five ( me ) And Eighty two ( Er indoors ) We got in quite quickly and at our own GP. Nice and convenient etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 05:56 PM

Back where we belong!! Yeah!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:25 AM

Hi Raggy.

Last night Man United pushed Liverpool off the top Of the League.

They beat Burnley in a dour game . United wasted several chances until Pogba finished a superb goat from a Rashford cross.

United dominated the game preventing Burnley any chance of even getting
a of getting a shot in.

I hope we can do the same to Liver pool at the weekend.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 10:18 AM

Hi MikeL, I doubt very much that United can maintain the form that has seen them climb to the top of the table. However it does my heart good to see them there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 06:06 AM

Hi Raggy

I agree we need acouple more top players.

It is nice to take the ride.

Minde you it's keeping the City and Liverpool members of our family quiet. !!!!!!

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 06:36 AM

City are the biggest threat now in m'humble. They are back on song and Pep is paying a lot more attention to defence. The game on Sunday is crucial for Liverpool, and they are NOT on song! I still think that Man U are a long way from the finished article, as with Spurs. Heavy reliance on your two or three best players can work for a while, but if one of 'em goes off the boil or gets injured... You wouldn't rate Man U's chances if Bruno was out for a couple of months, would you? But Ole is doing a grand job and seems to be getting Pogba purring. It's gotta be either Man U or Liverpool this season: no bloody oil club, and no way, José!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jan 21 - 09:55 AM

I have a feeling that Liverpool will walk over United tomorrow, I think they have a point to prove.

I hope I am wrong but I'm not convinced that United are anything like to finished article.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 10:31 AM

Hi Raggy

Liverpool did not walk all over Man United.

Far From it !!!

It was a game that never got going . Neither side deserved to win .
Pool Looked the better at the beginning,, but at the e end United   
could and should have done.







Poor game by these "Top Boys.

We meet again shortly. !!!!!

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 10:52 AM

0 to 0 is good for rest and relaxation.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 11:13 AM

Once again Donuel you demonstrate your complete ignorance of the game of football.

In the UK it is almost a religion to some people

It may be better if you didn't post about a subject you clearly do not understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 11:27 AM

Raggytash please follow every post I make and mark with your musk. I am amused by the aroma of your incredible insight. What is religion to you is fan-aticism to me. Thank you for all your glowing PMs. Please post more. It will give you a sense of accomplishment much like an enema.
It was not their best outing.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Jan 21 - 05:44 PM

You have nothing sensible to say on this topic, Donuel, so you know the advice.

Liverpool's front three are looking blunt. Unfortunately, because we've lost Matip, Virgil and Joe Gomez, we've had to push our key midfielders, Hendo and Fab, into more defensive roles. Trent and Robbo can no longer be as adventurous with their runs and crosses from the flanks. The front three are off-key anyway, but they are also being starved of the inspired supply from midfield and those flanks. We need Thiago to stay fit and bed in quickly. United's alleged key three front men, Marcus, Martial and Bruno, were all extremely unimpressive yesterday. A decent defence can handle the opposition's bus-parking and hopeful occasional counter-attacks, and there was a lot of bus-parking going on. Not a great game, was it?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 07:45 AM

Can I please make it clear I do not send PM's to Donuel, or at least I do not recall ever sending one. (I have been asked)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 08:12 AM

When he said "your glowing PMs" perhaps he meant our glowing prime ministers, y'know, Thatcher, Cameron, May, Johnson... After all, compared to the president he's got, they're all glowing!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 08:27 AM

According to husband, Norwich City has now 50 points and is top of their League. If this continues they might 'go up' again to Premier League. But then they might 'go down' again, which they did last time.
He says they should buy some better players to maintain their place in League One.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 08:49 AM

Careful Senofou, you're in danger of upsetting your beloved. Norwich are in the championship with a realistic prospect of being promoted to the premiership.

If they were in League one they would have been relegated!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Jan 21 - 11:28 AM

Ah Raggytash, I meant if/when they go up, they should maintain their position once there by buying some star players. I know they ain't there yet!
Husband has bought online some very fancy face masks in Canary colours. And he swathes himself in his Norwich City scarf for our trip to the supermarket. Looks a bit odd with his flowing African robes, but rather nice just the same! "Come on you Yellows!"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 03:26 AM

I don’t think that Norwich had the money last time and didn’t want to gamble on big spends. I’m not sure it would be any different if we go up again.

Probably the biggest name Norwich had and within my memory (in fact I was much keener then) was Martin Peters. Presumably past his West Ham and Spurs best but a great asset to Norwich. You will probably still hear people say “what we need is another Martin Peters” – not too expensive but with a wealth of experience and skill but they may also debate as to whether you can find such a player now?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 06:29 AM

I think it's great that the Canaries are doing so well that they'll be coming back up (barring disasters). I spent half my life as an urbanite, cosseted by the abundance of big club football teams all around. When I lived up north I was in easy reach of Man U, Man City, Bolton Wanderers (then a force to be reckoned with), Bury, Rochdale, Oldham Athletic, Preston North End, Burnley, Blackburn Rovers and others I may have forgotten, and the Merseyside clubs weren't much further away either. A positive cornucopia. Here in the Westcountry, west of Bristol (which takes over two hours for us to get to, and they don't even have Premier League teams in any case), it's lamentable that all we have are Exeter City and Plymouth Argyle, both permanently languishing in lower divisions and both over an hour away from me. A good top-divisions football club can be the heart and soul of a community (and to hell with the naysayers!) and you should treasure the Canaries!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 06:51 AM

You're so right Steve. Nearly everyone here in Norfolk identifies with the team and many wear the colours (yellow and green) when out shopping. It's a cultural focus.
Our song "On the ball City!" is apparently the oldest in history.
(I love hearing the last line sung in Broad Norfolk : "Hurrah! We've scored a goool!"
A house on the corner of our small village-in-the-sticks has a flagpole in the garden, and when Norwich City are playing they hoist the Canaries flag.
Husband often embarrasses me in the supermarket when he spots someone wearing a City scarf or cap. He yells " Come on you Yellows!" but they always laugh and give him the thumbs up.
Oh I do hope we go back up, even if only temporarily!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 20 Jan 21 - 07:14 AM

I was an odd one. Shrewsbury born but I think living in North Wales when I first took an interest in football. The Norwich connection comes from my father who's family have a long history in the city. I think in childhood, there was perhaps a sense of pride in being different to the rest.

I think most football support around the Llandudno area went to the big Manchester and Liverpool Clubs. I can't think of any I knew off hand that supported Wrexham who were the only N Wales league side.

There was someone my age and at one time (family moved to Llandudno Junction) from my village and primary school who got to be on Wrexham's books though. He didn't quite make it but I think played a couple of games for the first team.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 Jan 21 - 08:39 PM

Another black night for Liverpool, that's just 3 points from the last possible 15.

Last year I had a dream that Burnley would beat Liverpool and placed a small bet on it. Seems I did it a year too soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 04:05 AM

We've been sussed. Low block, pack the box, park the bus. The team are losing heart. A couple of seasons ago we blitzed the opposition in the first 15 or 20 minutes, got goals and forced the other team to come out and play. We have got to get an early goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 06:29 AM

Two comments from the 800+ in the Guardian following the match report:

Liverpool have a problem with a more park-the-bus side. Atletico was the template. If you cut off opportunities for Liverpool to counter quickly, then you are in a good place as Liverpool don’t seem to know how to breakdown a team that has regrouped in the box.

Reply to that:

This is the best comment of the night. Not difficult to work them out really. Additionally, no VVD and they’re impotent on corners. Teams now know they score late, they keep the concentration for the full game.

Sez it all really. Put ten or eleven behind the ball all match, pack your box and even a Pele, Messi and Best front three would have trouble. It makes for boring football. I blame Liverpool for not being able to find an answer, but I blame the Man Us and the Burnleys and any team that is run by Mourinho of this world for boring the arse off us. Pack the box and hope for the counter that just might get you that one goal (even if it's a non-penalty as last night). One thing you can say about Klopp's time at Liverpool is that he's given us positive, seat-of-the-pants footie. Even when they're winning 3-0 with five minutes to go, they are still attacking. Ultimately it's the fans who pay all those billions, so he knows that it's the least we deserve.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 12:13 PM

Looking at the table and recent results my money would be on Man City to gain the title this year unless Liverpool can turn their form round.

I don't think either United or Leicester have what it takes to win the premiership this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Jan 21 - 01:02 PM

I kind of agree, but Leicester are bloody good at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 05:19 PM

Needless to say I am delighted that United have once again defeated our old "enemy"

I still don't think they have what it takes to win the Premiership.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Jan 21 - 07:35 PM

The best thing about today was that it was a bloody good game of footie. Flippin' soft free kick that provided Bruno with his goal, but what a cracking free kick. Great stuff. When you get a game like that, fought in a really positive, attacking way that's so good to watch, I have to confess that I'm not that bothered who won it. I might be tribal but I'm only a bit tribal. Kudos to both teams - and Man U are getting bloody good to watch...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Jan 21 - 09:19 AM

Hi Steve .....Yes what a game lot's of exciting Football. A very close game with 5 excellent goals. Yes and Bruno's goal was very clever and planned

I think the score was about right but either team could have pinched it.

Iagree with You and Raggy ...I dn't United will go way either in the League or the Cup. But I hope they give us more entertainment.

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 06:19 AM

hi

Last night's performance By Man U will clearly show that we are right
saying we doubt that they are not ready for winning the League !!!!

I watched United play bottom Sheffield, United. They were outplayed .

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 07:44 AM

That was almost inexplicable!

Man Citeh look like a shoo-in now. Liverpool had better concentrate on getting in the top four (and winning the Champions League, of course...)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 09:21 AM

Hi Steve

My computer has decided to play games.....and it's not Football'

It's an old bugger....still working ( or not ). on Windows 7

Cheers
Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 10:49 AM

Mrs Steve uses a MacBook Air that I just don't get on with. I can beat you for an ancient laptop: I have a big old Sony that is running Vista. I don't use it for very much, mostly photos, and run it disconnected from the internet whenever I can as it's totally unsecured. I do most things on this 'ere iPad mini. My iPhone is more up to date but my poor old eyes don't find it easy to spend too much time on it. Anyway, I'd better charge the iPad up for the game...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Jan 21 - 05:18 PM

That will do nicely...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 06:54 AM

A much needed win for Liverpool last night. One I was quite pleased to see, not so much that I wanted Liverpool to win, more that I wanted Mourinho to lose. Never can take to the man.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 08:18 AM

...And it was a really good, entertaining game, just wot we pays our money to see. Liverpool have had trouble breaking down parked-bus defences in the last few games, whilst otherwise playing not too badly (apart from giving Rashford far too much space down the left flank for half the match). Ironic then that the breakthrough should come against the team managed by the bus-parker in chief. Noticeable that Spurs' teeth were drawn when Harry had to go off after "winning" two fouls (his modus operandi). Son looked like a little lost soul without him all through the second half. Be very afraid, rivals. By the way, the disallowing of the Salah goal was a travesty. Dier was wrestling Firmino, which led to the totally accidental handling by Bobby, which he couldn't avoid. A perfectly good goal, instead rewarded by giving Spurs a free kick! A collective groan emanates from thousands of Liverpool supporters every time Martin Atkinson is announced as the match ref. He always automatically plays for the other team. Worst bloody ref going...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 29 Jan 21 - 09:20 AM

HI Raggy

I wanted Mourinho to lose. Never can take to the man.

I am totally with you, can't stand the man. Tried to ruin United.

Nobody around here will say nothing but relief now he's gone.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 21 - 06:43 PM

One hundred years from now, in the first human colony on the planet Mars, when there has been a three-month lockdown due to an outbreak of Martian bad-virus and the weather has been shit for weeks, non-stop planetary dust storms an' all that, the colonists will be watching footie repeats on their virtual doodah screens and thrilling again and again to see that second Liverpool goal. The repeat button will wear out. West Ham corner, bam. Trent gets ball, perfect 60-yard diagonal, bam. Shaq gets ball on left flank, 50 yards to go, hits it perfectly into box without taking a touch, bam. Mo controls ball with magical perfection, little flick to back of net, bam. Bloody beat that.

One other thing: in the last two games, in which Liverpool have been imperious, Hendo has been the pivot, the anchor-man, the leader of men. Please stay fit, Hendo...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 02 Feb 21 - 09:22 AM

Hi Steve

A LITTLE OVER STATED ....BUT IT WAS A GOOD GOAL !!!!!

" hENDO" IS BINDING THE DEFENCE AND SORTING OUT THE MID FIELD.

tO THINK " fERGIE " TURNED HIM DOWN   ......

bUT THEN HE GOT BECS AND THE 92 MOB. yOU CAN'T WIN THEM ALL.

Going to watch United Tonight play SouHampton. Usually give United a run.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 21 - 10:19 AM

Overstated? Never! That was the goal of the season so far.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Feb 21 - 03:09 PM

I'm interested enough to watch the game tonight, Mike. You should win it, but what a great night it would be for a Saints resurgence! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Feb 21 - 08:14 AM

Arggg!!!!!

I could have watched last nights match on BT Sport, instead I had a ZOOM chat with a friend!

9-0 eh, good eh!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Feb 21 - 09:16 AM

Hi Raggy.

I watched Unit swallow up The Saints......

I too would love to see " When the Saints Go........Marching in.

I t was great for me to see United get into gear. But it was a shame for the Saints. They got away to a bad start that got worse every minute.

But we now are level with City we will have to Play like that to go to the top...and of course we want to keep Liverpool at bay.

Interesting ai'nt it ?????

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 06:11 AM

H!
Guys...Watched Liverpool last night. Pool embarrassed by defeat by Brighton. Clop says they were tired.

well there are plenty more games coming up.

I think that this might be the end of winning the League.

cheers

mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 06:50 AM

I think you're right. As for embarrassed, that does Brighton a bit of a disservice. They are a lot better than their league position suggests, they are well-organised and they have a great manager. They defended well but didn't park the bus, always up for breaking out, which they did frequently. Man U could learn a lot from that. Parkers of the bus such as Man U and Spurs, sitting back against the big boys and hoping for the odd counter, are not only playing negative football but are in danger of pitching themselves into disarray if the opposition get a goal. Tactics shattered...

Several seasons ago Liverpool had a poor defence but won games by getting very quick goals early on. The opponents then simply have to come out and play. As I said, getting an early goal would have been a game-changer in several of their matches recently. They seem to have forgotten how to do it. This looks like Citeh's season. Note how they run games in a way that saves their energy. With all the problems Liverpool currently have, they're knackered.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 10:34 AM

Hi Steve


I think United are changing their style. and are playing a more open game.

There is a wave of attacking youths. Nine Nil is NOT parking the bus,

We have won several games by coming up from behind against teams who have scored and " parked the bus,

Look at the League table,,,,,see who is scoring most.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 11:59 AM

Don't let that 9-0 go to your head, Mike. The Southampton team were already severely depleted by injuries and they had ten men from the second minute and nine men for a lot of the second half. A couple of very dodgy decisions made a difference too (I'm not squabbling about the first dismissal, which was thoroughly deserved), not least the second sending off. Suppose you'd won just 1-0. You wouldn't be bragging about your goals then! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Feb 21 - 02:23 PM

Hi Steve

I am aware about the problems with Southampton. I know that we wern't
playing against them but we had a job to do.

I am happy with United's performances and know that things can change.
We are inconsistent and we need to improve, or games like Sheffiend United will come to haunt us.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Feb 21 - 04:37 AM

"Suppose you'd won just 1-0. You wouldn't be bragging about your goals then! ;-)"

That is very true Steve but United didn't score just one they scored nine.


Very difficult fixture for Liverpool tomorrow, one that they must win to have any remote hope of winning the league again I feel.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 05:53 PM

I've only watched the highlights tonight so can't really comment on the game as a whole but Liverpool seemed inept, so many basic errors that I wondered if they had actually been champions last year.

They were champions, weren't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 07 Feb 21 - 05:59 PM

The problem is "they" are a bunch of foreign footballers whereas, when we won the World Cup, it was still mostly locals in MEANINGFUL competition; or in WalkaboutsVerse "Reregulate"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 09:38 AM

Hi raggy I watched the whole match live. Yes they were poor. It has been been obvious that things are not right.

Last season they won the league for the first time in 38 years.

Roy Kean last night said " if they play like this, they will have to weight another 38 years. 2 !!!!!

I hope not, they are good to watch.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 11:10 AM

Until the goalie mistakes, Liverpool played reasonably well against a tough opposition. The two daft errors to make it 1-3 knocked the stuffing out of them. There was never going to be a coming back from that, not against that side.

Anyway, I guess that makes Citeh a shoo-in this time.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 11:21 AM

Well United are safely through to the next round of the FA cup, the match itself was frankly tedious lightened only by a cracking goal.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 01:53 PM

Yep. A waste of two and a quarter hours of my life. At least a penalty shootout would have spiced it up a bit...

I think we need a hard think about why good attacking teams are being blunted so often. Could be lack of fans, could be VAR, could be good (or bus-parking) defences...That match sorely needed an early goal to get it flying. When Citeh score early it draws the other team out, they take more risks and we get more goals and more excitement. Shame that City always end up winning though!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 11 Feb 21 - 10:00 AM

Hi Steve

There are other reasons for the more boring games........ MONEY,

Referees ,not just refs on the field..... cameras all over the place. And the players having to play so many games in a short time.

The spectators arw more interested on winning ..not for the Quality of playrers ..

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 21 - 09:08 AM

What odds could I get for Liverpool not being in the top four by the end of tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 21 - 05:55 PM

Superb performance from the lads tonight, and a great game to watch. The away goals rule is a bit of a bugger in tbe current circumstances...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 02:41 AM

The game has changed so much from the days of Matthews[ king of dribble] skiils that matthews had, have disappeaerd to some extent eg dribbling round a player.
from the point of views of entertainment, passing to keep continuos possesion is not such an interesting spectacle as the more varied game which had a larger proprtion of dribbling tackling as well as keeping possession.
i think there is a valid argument for introducing a maximum wage

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 07:00 AM

I just want to see good, positive, attacking football. It's a game for the masses who pay handsomely to see it, and the masses want exciting, thrilling games. That means plenty of mistakes and plenty of goals. This season I've seen Liverpool, West Ham, Chelsea (recently) and even City playing like that. On the other hand, I've seen many of the clubs playing against Liverpool (the games I mostly watch), fearful of the front three, playing deep, packed defensive lines and playing most of the game in their own half. They hope to keep a clean sheet and mug Liverpool with an isolated, successful counter-attack. It's the most tedious bloody stuff to watch and is against what I believe to be the spirit of the game. Manchester United did it. Atlético did it against Chelsea (and nothing gave me more satisfaction than seeing them get exactly what they deserved). I think it's a worrying trend that will ruin the game at the top level. It reminds me of the way continental teams played in the 70s.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 07:45 AM

In gheneral i agree , i do like to see all skills dribbling tackling not just passing and keeping possesion.
in ireland THE GAA do a great job by keeping the game amateur, that means everybody gets an opportunity regardless of income to play and each county is only represented by people who live in the county, this is really good for the local community and for getting young people involved in sport

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 07:53 AM

I don't watch much these days or really for quite a few years but remember as a kid and Norwich, so bring back Ken Foggo I say. He was a pretty decent old style winger.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 08:01 AM

I started this thread with the point that Gaelic Hurling and Gaelic Football are FAR more entertaining to watch than Association Football and that all the players are amateurs (I suspect that "boot money" may play a part).

Hurling in particular is said to be the fastest field sport in the world and the skill levels are astonishing.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 11:00 AM

I enjoy all 3 games [apart from the soccer diving, but as regards benefting the local community in active participation, theGAA have it right and soccer has lost its way

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 03:57 AM

will liverpool beat sheff utd?and will fulham beat c pal;ace

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 04:38 AM

My fingers are crossed and my loins are girded...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 21 - 08:06 PM

Well bejaysus we had the most boring 0-0 ever and then we have Ole whingeing about not getting a penalty over a "handball" that was so bloody confusing that the only proper decision would have been to let it go. And Ole seems to have forgotten that Man U have had four more penalties awarded than any other Premier League club over the last couple of years.

In contrast, once again we had a cracking, positive game at Bramhall Lane...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 02:58 AM

too right roy hodge podge is the epitome of greyfootball

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 21 - 04:28 AM

He wasn't the gaffer of a club in either of those games, Dick!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 08:11 AM

Liverpool legend Ian St John has left us. A hero of the Shanks era...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 09:16 AM

Jesus saves .............. but St John scores off the rebound!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 09:45 AM

Didn't know that Gabriel Jesus was a goalie....

I'll get me coat...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 01:28 PM

A wayside pulpit outside a church in Liverpool in the mid 60s asked

"What would you do if Jesus came to Liverpool?"

Graffiti scrawled underneath it:

"Move St John to outside right"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 02:31 PM

I never said he was he is the manager of palace and his style of foo tball is boring

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 02 Mar 21 - 03:42 PM

It is a pity that Saint & Greavsie did not knock some sense into Trump when they had the chance.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:40 AM

sheff utd to lose tonight?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 21 - 07:54 AM

Well given that they have lost 21 of their 26 matches, and only managed a draw a further 2, I'd say that is a reasonable bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Mar 21 - 07:06 AM

Hi Steve Et All..

Just watched Man United When they played brilliantly to beat Our Noisy Niebours .

What a gme .... Full of fast exciting football. We coasted back to No 2 .....

Oh and I watchwd Liverpool   .....nufff said

Cheers Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 21 - 07:15 AM

is it time klopp left the club

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 21 - 10:15 AM

Completely imploded. Too many personnel changes every game, nothing settled. Quite often they play fairly well except for getting the ball in the net. They'll be back, but we need Virgil, and the front three starting to actually communicate with each other again. Lessee if we can get past Wednesday night...

Best not to sack the boss just because of a bad run over several weeks. Wouldn't help.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 09:19 AM

Best of luck to Liverpool tonight, even though they are 2-0 up from the first away leg I think they will need it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Mar 21 - 09:22 AM

Not at all confident.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 07:38 PM

Raheem Sterling is not "of African origin." He was born in Jamaica and moved to this country when he was five. His nationality is British. He has explained the tattoo as having a deeper meaning for him than as a symbol of violence, in connection with the murder of his father when Raheem was two years old. After a very disturbed childhood, and several relatively minor glitches in behaviour since, he has become a superb footballer and a prominent fighter against racism. He contributed a large sum of money to help the survivors of the Grenfell fire. He has more than made good after a very difficult start in life and that's something we can applaud.

You made an inaccurate assertion about a young black man's origin and you picked on one fairly small feature to cast him in a negative light. So you said very little about Raheem Sterling but you spoke volumes about the flaws in your own character. We have a word for people who choose to highlight cherrypicked "negative" attributes of black people in order to demonise them. I'll stop there.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 07:44 PM

My post is hanging, moderator. Please consider binning it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 05:41 AM

Well if this bloody Super League takes off, that's me done with football. I can't believe that this is what the managers and players want. Man U and Liverpool, clubs with proud working-class roots and incredible fan bases, signing up to this greed and selling their souls to the devil? Tell me it's a bad dream...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 06:10 AM

And Mourinho getting the sack.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 11:07 AM

At the moment it is being talked about as an alternative to the European Cup competition. They are not talking about leaving the national leagues just yet.

UEFA have already expanded the European Cup and Europa Cup in recent years.they are supposed to be announcing further plans for the European Cup later this month.

I am sure a few of us here remember the olden days when only league champions could enter the European Cups. It's all about who controls the money. Always was and always will be.

Of course the Carabao Cup is the only one that matters

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Apr 21 - 04:56 PM

Blame the US investors.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 02:51 AM

The Champions League is such a misnamed competition. The old European Cup was truly a competition of champions. The only teams in it were the champions of each national league plus the winner's of the previous year's tournament with only one country (ie where the previous champions came from) having two representatives. The new format was all about getting maximum cash from TV audiences so for years the champions from the leagues of smaller nations need to pre-qualify against each other whilst four English etc teams automatically get in. Meaning over the years the differential between resources grows and grows.

Now it seems that big advantage of only needing to be fourth in your league to be classed as a champion is not enough for some clubs. The trouble is that thing called competition gets in the way! These uppity Leicester likes spoiling the party. The clubs know how much of a financial loss it is not to get into the league. So let's dispense with the competition and just self declare ourselves as permanent champions and onlyplay each other with no relegation being involved.

The only problem of course is the league could in fact turn out to be pretty sterile. There is often as much excitement and raw emotion and excitement about games featuring teams at the bottom of a league than there is for those at the top as teams strive to avoid relegation. Once a season is part way through and the points lead starts to stretch between the title challengers and the rest of the ten clubs then many of the games will be pretty meaningless as the outcome won't be that important. Certainly if those not challenging for the title itself are playing each other. Even if someone lower down is playing one of the challengers the outcome may only be really significant for the title challenging team. If there is no relegation then it doesn't make a huge amount difference whether you are 10th or 8th or 6th.

The club owners seem to have the rest of football and even their own club's fans united against them though!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 06:21 AM

Those of us who are fans of the game have held our noses for almost thirty years, ever since the Premier League was founded. It meant way too much money at the top and not enough trickling down. It meant a Murdoch paywall with everyone else getting Match Of The Day 5-minute scraps only. It meant massive player wage inflation, inescapable as football became ever more international with capitalism and competition for the elite players taking its merciless grip. It became mostly about television rights. But at least fans still packed the stadiums and, on the whole, the clubs at least continued to value the fans, even if the owners, Sky and BT Sport didn't give a shit about them. A year without fans in the parks has made the owners see an even bigger cash cow that can pay for their serial overspending. That's what this is all about. The umbilical cord connecting fans to the clubs is about to be severed. The TV audiences in China are far more important to the owners than a few thousand inconvenient bums on seats in stadiums.

At least we've been having relegation and promotion, and the obligation to actually qualify for the Champions League (which is only a name, by the way). Wigan in the FA Cup Final and relegated in the same month. I'd even contend that modern-day football is at least as fine a spectacle as it's ever been. All that's going out of the window. We'll get exhibition matches with nothing to actually fight for. You'll pay big money to watch the games on telly and you won't be able to afford ticket prices or fly all over Europe to see games unless you're a millionaire. Fans can go to hell. If that happens, in the words of the Dragons, I'm out.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 07:08 AM

Well at the moment UEFA still intend to run ever expanding European competitions.

I guess it is how you define fans and supporters. Lots of fans follow their favourite club but do not provide any financial support to that club. Other fans provide financial support to their clubs by signing up to the various pay as you view tv channels. Then you have the supporters who actually buy tickets to go see the games live. I think a lot of those supporters are probably season ticket holders and that costs a lot. In the olden days you had a season ticket I knowing that games would be at 15.00 on a Saturday or a Wednesday evening. Nowadays they cannot be sure what time a game will be played. Rarely seems to be 15.00 Saturday anymore.

Anyone who has signed up to a tv package has helped to make things harder for those who actually go to the games.

I have often thought that following/supporting a football team is one of the last things that we retain from our childhood.

Jumpers for goalposts?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 10:14 AM

The nearest Premier League club to where I live is Southampton. It would take me five hours to drive there, if I were lucky. The nearest Football League club, in League Two, is an hour and a half away. I've been a fan of Liverpool for decades but have never seen them play live because of where I am. The one time I knew I was going to be in Liverpool, I couldn't get a ticket even four months in advance (they were playing Villa). I can watch Champions League matches on BT Sport Mobile, which I pay handsomely for. I'm considering my position. If they up their prices I ring them up and threaten to leave BT broadband. I always get a better deal for BT Sport that way. Most of the Premier League matches are on Sky. I had Sky Sports mobile for years until a few months ago when they hiked up their prices astronomically. I might watch a match a week on average for about seven or eight months a year. My annual subs cost me hundreds, or at least they did until I butted out of Sky. No club staff are needed to look after me, no police, no security, no facilities. I think I've been paying my way, but who knows where the money goes. I don't see how I've made things harder for those who go to games.

The kickoff times and days are spread out so that as many matches can be lucratively screened as possible. The international audience for our Premier League is massive, and they pay big, big money to watch the televised games, which is why the broadcasters and club owners don't give a damn about domestic fans. It was at least something to hear Klopp and Milner speaking out, though with one hand clearly tied behind their backs. This deal will give around half the number of Champions League clubs, or some that fail even to qualify, at least twice as much money. When I say clubs, I do of course mean the owners.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 11:45 AM

I have seen Spurs live 5 times. Approx 50 years ago at White Hart Lane but cannot remember who they played. Once at the new stadium in 2019 to see them lose to Newcastle 0-1. Then three times at the new Wembley. In the league cup finals beating Chelsea and then losing to Man U. In the FA Cup semi final losing to Portsmouth.

As John Crace in The Guardian has said a few times,"Tottenham fans often say that it isn’t the despair that gets them, it’s the hope." False hope, forlorn hope.

I don't know if this breakaway will happen or not. I hope that it doesn't. As a Spurs fan even I find it laughable that Spurs think they deserve to be included.They certainly don't deserve to be included on past results.

Anyway, Boris is on the case with Starmer right behind. Will it become an issue in the forthcoming byelection?

We certainly are living in strange times.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 03:11 PM

BBC reporting that Man City have withdrawn from the group of six. Chelsea are set to follow

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: JHW
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 03:35 PM

At last a topic where what you think doesn't matter. Loads of news on the new super league. I understood Divisions 1,2,3,4 but they are gone now, no-one asked me so WTH.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 06:11 PM

What we think has mattered a lot, actually. A huge amount of the outrage has come from football fans. Football fans own this game, not bloody foreign billionaires. They just own the clubs, and wouldn't it be great if they actually had season tickets. The latest is that all the six clubs have now pulled the plug, but make no mistake, this isn't going away. This is just the opening gambit from a bunch of wealthy cynics who don't give a shit about the fans, the fans who are the people who have made the beautiful game what it is. The same blokes who might be hailed as "heroes" for pulling out and wrecking the scheme were signing their clubs' souls to the devil just three short days ago, and they haven't had sudden moments of enlightenment. What they've had is fan power kicking them up their arses. What we think mattered more than anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 06:21 PM

And tonight it was Chelsea nil, Brighton nil. Chelsea, in the semi-finals of the Champions League, winning almost everything, going for the top four, owned by a Russian oligarch. Brighton, a little club struggling near the bottom of the Premier League, looking over its shoulder at the threat of relegation. That result alone makes a complete nonsense of the idea of an elites-only league.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 06:26 PM

Ah but what would Brighton fans give for an oligarch to buy their club and spend millions on players?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 06:32 PM

tonight partick thistle won to go top of the scottish 3rd division. i watched at home while doing my ironing and then having a pizza and a couple of beers. a jags fan streams the away matches (at dumbarton) and loads of us freeload on his stream and then send some money direct to partick thistle. i live in lancaster now - one major reason is that it is a lot easier for me to get to glasgow by train. however, i havn't been to a match since away at dundee united last march. i was more than happy to renew my season ticket to help the club though i won't get to any games this season. of course it's been tough (and we've been shite for much of the season) but well, football has kept us going. i wonder what the global capitalists who leech on our game would think of this or of the 6 jags fans who took ladders to dumbarton tonight to watch the game over the low boundary wall. distanced. i totally love football at this level - because we can always go up and if not we can enjoy a good moan. and of course - greed ain't going nowhere - without people you're nothing - said joe.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Apr 21 - 06:58 PM

When I was a little lad my dad took us to home games at Bury, occasionally to his boyhood team Burnley. Bury were usually in the third division and a crowd of five or six thousand was a good turnout. They were contenders for promotion to Division One one year but sadly didn't make it. Burnley was a town surrounded by big clubs, Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, both Manc clubs, Liverpool, Everton, Blackpool, Rochdale, Oldham... They were in the first division and won the league in 1960 with a team that cost £9000. They regularly got crowds of 20,000-plus, often more. Without fans, football is nothing. They are not an inconvenience. Most of the games I've watched or listened to (on 5 Live) in the last year have had fake crowd noises. That's how important Sky, BT Sport and the Beeb think that crowds are. The foreign billionaires who rarely come to see their clubs play don't get that. They're fine with people paying a king's ransom for a match ticket or who have to fly all over Europe to see their proposed exhibition games. Football grew from grass roots. It's gone way too far away from that now but at least we still have things like qualification on merit, become the champions on merit and promotion and relegation, as we've always had. If we lose that we've lost the sport and the real fans will vote with their feet. We haven't got away unscathed tonight and these bastards will be back, make no mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 21 Apr 21 - 03:25 AM

It has always been about the money. In the last 20 years or so, that has just become more obvious.

Who were the clubs that broke the transfer records in years gone by? I have been unable to find a quote by Lawrie Mcmenemy when he was manager of Southampton. He said about another club,whose name I have forgotten, that they made more from programme sales than Southampton did from gate receipts.

And do it goes. Look at my local club Dover, who play in the national league. Chairman is a local businessman who has furloughed the entire squad and pulled out of the remaining fixtures,due to worries that the club would become bankrupt.

"The league have stuck their head in the sand about it and seemed to think there was going to be some sort of a magic solution, which I personally can't see," Parmenter told BBC Radio Kent.

"We would be insolvent if we continued and I suspect there are some other clubs that would be the same.

"This just shows that the league have little regard for clubs that aren't big ex-English Football League clubs that have potential for promotion.

"The only reason to continue playing is to get promotion to the EFL, and only two clubs can get that.

"I guess 12 or 13 clubs think they have got a chance at this stage and that is why they have voted to continue."

Dover Athletic

I was a regular supporter at Dover for a few seasons during my schooldays. Not been back that often since.

Money talks.

As I said before, I think that our support for a football team is one of the few things we carry on from our childhood.

On another matter, am I the only one who feels uncomfortable about the relationship between a manager/coach and players? The gaffer/boss lads/boys lingo. I am sure the players would have to doff their caps if they were not worried about mucking up their haircuts.

Talking of hair cuts, who has been cutting the player's hair during lockdown? There should be an investigation and points deducted.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: JHW
Date: 21 Apr 21 - 06:14 AM

My dad occasionally took me to see Norwich play (I'm a Norfolker) and usually lose to Newcastle. History.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 21 Apr 21 - 06:40 AM

I've seen Norwich City play a few times, JHW.

As a child, dad would always ensure that a holiday within the football season with his father in Norwich coincided with a Norwich home fixture.

We also had a few one off visits to other grounds. From first time round in N Wales, I remember Man United, Stoke and Wolves. From our spell in Kent, I remember Brighton, Millwall, West Ham and I got to Wembly to see them loose to Aston Villa in a League Cup Final.

I've lived in Norfolk for the last 20 years but my interest in football had dropped to only keeping an eye on the scores some time before that. The last time I went to Carrow Road was to see them play Ajax in a friendly, around the time I moved here.

My parents who moved to Norfolk a few years before me were season ticket holders. Firstly in the Barclay Stand and, later for easier access the Jarrold stand before the day became too much for them.

We did see one whole match in a posh bit behind the glass - nice view but lacking in atmosphere). I and my three brothers are Freemen of the City and we waited until my youngest brother was eligible before we went together for the ceremony. Dad contacted the club just to try to reserve a group of perhaps 10 seats together and the club responded by giving him tickets.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 21 - 07:53 AM

As people on here probably know I am no big football fan. I do follow the fortunes of Man City and will watch the occasional match involving them or England but I don't go out of my way to do so. I am so against this move to the super league that I got right narked when I found out Bozzer was against it to. Confused me no end!

I must add that there are fans who do the game no favours as well though. When I worked at Salford Quays a good few years back I used to get very narked about the hoardes of fans on Man U match days who thought it was perfectly acceptable to clog up the roads in slow moving droves, chant onscenities at opposing fans and dispose of their rubbish (including bodily fluids!) everywhere. Of course there are those who will say 'not us' :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 21 - 08:52 AM

We just happened to be in Rome when there was a Roma-Liverpool Champions League match on. We were minding our own business not far from the Trevi Fountain on the afternoon of the game when a rather large and overly-jolly horde of scousers marched noisily across the square. The jorum had clearly been partaken of. They looked intimidating, and the police looked nervous (even the big lads who looked like they could have been Musso's goons in another age), but the fans were good-natured and all was well. They were amused to come across a Liverpool fan who was merely on holiday. I couldn't get a bloody ticket, could I...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: JHW
Date: 22 Apr 21 - 05:52 AM

Re Being Somewhere. I was at St.Chartier watching a concert (outdoors) when the news broke of France world cup victory (I think) A murmer went round the big audience and they floodlit the chateau in French red white and blue. Cars all hooting outside. Lovely atmosphere.

Thanks for Norwich stories. Doubt I'll get back thereabouts but one never knows.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Apr 21 - 11:05 AM

Further to my previous posts about Dover Athletic of the National League, they have announced that they will be going part time next season. They are also going to appeal against the £ 40,000.00 fine and 12 points deduction for next season, which has been imposed on them by the National League for failing to complete their fixtures this season.

As the chairman himself puts it:

"With regard to next season, Hess (Andy Hessenthaler) will continue as Manager and obviously, we will be starting in a compromised position (regardless of the appeal outcome.

“We will not be able to compete financially with the big rich clubs in the league, but we are planning an ‘alternative approach’ because the financial madness which is prevalent in our league currently is not sustainable and is destroying the game aided and abetted by the hopeless administrative structure at our level.

“What we will need as a club is for the whole town and district to come together to help us regroup and show the establishment that we will not be bullied."

Dover Athletic

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 01:23 PM

The Premier League is to bring in a new owners' charter to stop future attempts to join a breakaway Super League.

BBC - Premier League says only 29 years since last breakaway

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 21 - 02:37 PM

It's many decades since I lost total interest in football..
Winning the world cup and singing along to world cup willie,
engendered far to lofty expectations of our world supremacy,
And then it was all too bitterly downhill from there.

Besides which my real childhood passion was fishing,
Then even that was abandoned for girls and rock music..

I don't like football, I don't like football culture, I especially don't like football fans links with the far right.

So, I think most mudcat folks will recognise that I'm no xenophobic nationalist..

But I've all along believed real British football, the sport of football, has been ruined by global corporate ownership, greed, and too many foreign players.
Even I lament that it's killing off grassroots local mud and blood football.

However, if I'm correctly getting an impression from the news that football fans are expressing disorderly protests at the dominance off their national sport /religion by foreigners.
Then to some extent I'll agree and support any attempts to strictly limit non-british ownership and control..

The time is right for football to be struck by its own equivalent of that meteorite event killing off the dinosaurs...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 03 May 21 - 02:49 PM

Pfr

If Nigel Farage makes yet another comeback with a "Local teams for local people" party, I will hold you responsible.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 03 May 21 - 03:06 PM

It's time for the Centre and Left to reclaim true patriotism.

Aintcha heard Billy Bragg banging on about that for the last 10 years..

But I promise I won't sing...


As for Nigel Fartage..

The smug smarmy arse owes Britain some genuine favours at least once before he shuffles off to well-deserved purgatory..

.. and it's in his own self-interest to earn some brownie points before he faces up to his maker..

(Disclaimer: religion might not be for real. Football can fulfill that void for a lot of individuals and communities)

In the meantime...

Fartage and his ilk..

.. Sometime we have to hold our noses and get our hands dirty with unholy alliances to get things done...???

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:08 AM

I thought Sen would have been in this thread in the past few days.

Anyway, Norwich have won the Championship again. I wonder how they will fare in the Premier League this time round.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:55 AM

Well you don't have to like football or its culture, but, more than any other sport, football is at the heart of many communities in working class areas, and even the biggest clubs in the world, Manchester United and Liverpool, still have something agreeably parish pump about them at fan level (which, to me, is at the top level, not the bottom). I'm not just talking about big league clubs either. You might not exactly regard footie as high culture (looking at the skill and fitness levels of the best players, many would disagree), but an integral part of our culture it is, from the very top right down to the most junior school team, and in the north of England at least we treasure the working class roots and traditions of the game. Don't just say God, say Shankly. And just look at how the women's game has burgeoned in recent years. It's magnificent. The Premier League, and especially those bloody foreign billionaire owners, have served football extremely badly in the last thirty years. Well they are the ultra-capitalist ugly side of the game, so the clash with the traditions of football is extremely jarring. An object lesson, in fact, as to how ugly capitalism in general is. I'm one hundred percent on the side of those fans (key word there) who protested and stopped the game on Sunday. They have spent sixteen years protesting to no avail about an absentee American billionaire family who have kept the club in debt, under-invested to the extent that United have won nothing for years after a long spell of winning everything, presided over a rotting stadium, seen the area around the stadium decay yet use the club as their personal cash cow. Well now the fans have taken direct action. I tuned in and was looking forward to that game with my team Liverpool but I unhesitatingly applaud those thousands of protesting fans, even the couple of hundred who got on the pitch. Things won't be the same again. I don't care for opportunistic knocking of fans for violence and unruly behaviour, etc. when something like this happens. Like everybody else I don't want to see flares or a cop in hospital. I have cousins up north who support United or City, and there's me with Liverpool, and it was Bury or Burnley when I was a lad, and a little lad at that. My grandad was a lifelong avid United fan. We are all mates but we can get sniffy with each other over the beautiful game, for about 22 seconds only, a bit like me and Mike here. It's in our blood, is footie. We want it back!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 May 21 - 07:24 AM

"They have spent sixteen years protesting to no avail about an absentee American billionaire family who have kept the club in debt, under-invested to the extent that United have won nothing for years after a long spell of winning everything, presided over a rotting stadium, seen the area around the stadium decay yet use the club as their personal cash cow."

I think it was on MOTD that they showed a table which indicated only Manchester City had spent more on players than United in the Premier League while the present owners had been there. Fans wanting more spent? Isn't that unusual?

" I don't care for opportunistic knocking of fans for violence and unruly behaviour, etc. when something like this happens."

Opportunistic knocking? So none of us can condemn that behaviour? FFS. Next you will be condoning second home owners damaging cornish boats.

We live in strange times.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 May 21 - 09:42 AM

Of course we condemn that behaviour. I've just done it myself. But the fact is that thousands of fans turned out to protest, a couple of hundred got on to the pitch non-violently and two policemen were injured outside the ground. I'm quite happy for you to blame fans for those injuries but they were caused, probably, by a maximum of two people out of thousands, and we don't know what was going on between them and the police in any case. When the Marcos dictatorship was eventually brought down, which we all applauded, it was by what we called People Power, direct action. The same when Saddam's statue was hauled down. Not too much demurring when the actions chime with our personal principles then... I applauded the felling of the slave trader's statue in Bristol and noted that most of the huffers and puffers over that came from the right. I am not a Man U fan and I wanted to enjoy the match. But the principle for me, of the people who really matter in football, the fans, eventually taking action which was overwhelmingly non-violent, after sixteen years of frustration with uncaring and absentee billionaire owners, who, to cap it all, tried to get the club into the ESL without consulting the fans, easily overrode my temporary disappointment. Kudos to Man U fans and I'd like to see a lot more fan power in the coming weeks/months. There would be no football without the fans,you can't cut them out, and the Premier League, BT, Sky and those bloody owners had better believe it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 May 21 - 11:20 AM

Well Jon, here comes Sen, and just to say husband and I are overjoyed Norwich is back 'up there'. Man down our road has a large flagpole and has hoisted the Norwich City FC flag.
Husband's birthday in a few days' time, and he's having yet more Canaries' kit as part of his stash of presents.
"Come on you Yellows!"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 04 May 21 - 12:03 PM

Good to see you, Sen.

I might have posted this to another thread but on birthdays, I made dad a ”Norwich City football” for his birthday. It’s got a mini mp3 player and a tilt switch inside it so if you turn it over, it plays the next in a sequence of On The Ball City, The Canaries and The Norwich City Calypso.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 May 21 - 06:17 PM

Bejaysus, Chelsea were brilliant tonight. But it means oil vs oligarch in the final. I'll put that to one side and look forward to what should be the final footiefest of the season. I was in an hotel in Sicily two years ago when Liverpool beat Spurs to win the Champions League. The guy (Alfio Puglia, you can look him up) who owns the restaurant up the road, the one with an amazing sunset view of Etna (we'd been there many times before and he always remembers me) rushed up to me the following evening to embrace me and give us a free glass of Prosecco (before) and limoncello (after). We will go there again next year, Deo and coronavirus volente. The hotel is the Villa Angela and it's owned by Jim Kerr!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 06 May 21 - 08:47 AM

I see Alex Tetty is leaving Norwich, Sen. Probably expected but I think he will be missed after 9 years good service for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 May 21 - 05:21 PM

I remember where I was when Kennedy was assassinated. For the rest of my life I'll remember where I was when Alisson headed THAT goal at the death, wearing tracky bottoms...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 May 21 - 04:04 AM

Tracky bottoms ............. looked like a pair of tights to me!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 21 - 04:37 AM

I was too busy looking at his head to make that distinction...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 May 21 - 10:54 AM

Yes Jon, Alex Tetty has given good service to the team. My neighbour has bought a Norwich City FC piggy bank thing and calls it "Tetty". It was originally for her grandchildren, but she decided to keep it for herself. It's now become a 'swear box' so if her husband says a 'norty word' he has to put 50p into Tetty!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 May 21 - 08:09 PM

I was rooting for Chelsea. I know they were oligarch vs oil sheikh, but Chelsea are an actual TEAM, superstarosity not welcome. I like that. They are very good to watch. But wotchit, Chelsea. We are Liverpool and we are coming to get you next year...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 30 May 21 - 04:19 AM

Meanwhile, back in the real world

Champions League final: Dover Athletic face ruin in 'dog eat dog' football world

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 30 May 21 - 04:31 AM

Congratulations to Brentford for winning what is probably the richest prize in world football. Good luck to them next season in the premier league.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 May 21 - 06:51 AM

I always think of Fluff (aka Alan Freeman) advertising Brentford Nylons...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jun 21 - 07:08 PM

Damn fine show by the Azzurri tonight: really positive football played by a bunch of blokes with a team ethos, no superstar in sight. If Engerland ever get close to playing them, we're stuffed.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 05:11 PM

Meanwhile, over at Gillette Stadium,
the MLS team known as the New England Revolution
is to start having 100 per cent spectator capacity
beginning June 23 for their home games,
thanks to the relaxation of pandemic protocols in Massachusetts.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jun 21 - 05:30 PM

Will England win

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 10:01 AM

yep
I've seen heart attacks at a game before but the latest one has survived.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 05:15 PM

Having just seen the Scotland v Czech Republic goals, maybe the Scottish goalkeeper is a fan of René Higuita..?!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 06:22 PM

Steve:
Damn fine show by the Azzurri tonight: really positive football played by a bunch of blokes with a team ethos, no superstar in sight. If Engerland ever get close to playing them, we're stuffed.

Please don't say that. We've got to play them for our last game in the group stage ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 06:45 PM

Further to the above on Scotland, seen the highlights now and, as often in Association Football, the score of 2-0 was probably not a fair reflection of the play - they certainly created plenty of chances.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 07:17 PM

Italy aren't in our group, Nigel...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 07:25 PM

You're right. They're not in your group. But I'm about 100 mile NE of you ;)
We've got Italy on Sunday

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 07:41 PM

Dammit, it's been a long day, Nigel. Imperialism not intended! :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 21 - 08:29 PM

I foolishly endured the Spain-Sweden match. By the end I'd given up the will to live. Spain couldn't get round the parked bus and Sweden (praised, incorrectly in my opinion, by the Beeb pundits) had clearly set out to bag a goalless draw at all costs. Turkey tried the same stunt against Italy but were deservedly trounced for their negativity. Football should be about entertaining the fans and, above all, getting the bloody ball in the back of the net.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 02:14 PM

The greatest comeback since Lazarus was Jesus, but I though Gareth Bale played particularly well after missing the penalty against Turkey.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jun 21 - 02:30 PM

Wales are now heading the group!
If only because we've played 2 matches, and Italy have played only 1!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Jun 21 - 07:12 PM

Wales concede 1 goal against Italy and then play 30 minutes without conceding another, with only 10 men!
If Wales can play 30 minutes with 10 men against 11 and against a major team such as Italy, anything is now possible ;)

C'mon Wales!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Jun 21 - 07:20 PM

Yep, kudos to Wales, making England look like a bunch of three-legged carthorses. I know they lost the actual match, but they were brilliant!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 11:15 AM

Scotland's Billy Gilmour tests positive for Covid and has to isolate.
Two English players, who have mixed with him are also sidelined.
BBC Here

I hope this doesn't become a new tactic to hamper a team's opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Jun 21 - 06:30 PM

The Netherlands have made it clear that they will ban travelling Welsh fans from entering the country for the next match.
Now that England have qualified for a home match in the next round, will England (or the UK authorities) match this? The four possibilities for 'away' teams at England's next Wembley match are France, Germany, Portugal and Hungary. All these are on the UK 'Amber' list which requires 10 days quarantine on arrival in UK.

This is not a request for 'tit for tat' action, but an attempt to give equal treatment to all teams.

An announcement by the UK government now might cause a re-think by the Netherlands.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 23 Jun 21 - 05:46 AM

England may have won their group, but their 2 goals in 270 minutes against a fairly average group has done wonders for my insomnia. I notice that the winners of the other three completed groups have scored 22 goals between them.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 30 Jun 21 - 05:52 AM

Well, it may not have been as exciting as the previous day's games, but congrats to England for getting past Germany. And thanks to Ukraine for removing Sweden. No disrespect to Ukraine, Denmark or the Czechs but England now have as good a route to the final as they could hope for. (The final if we get there will be a different matter.)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jul 21 - 06:39 PM

That was an exceptionally fine game between Italy and Belgium, a credit to the sport. I had no dog in the fight but I was on the edge of my settee all the way through. I fancy Italy to trounce Spain in the semis and would like to see England play Italy in the final. I live in England but Italy is my very favourite country. We'll get slaughtered, but Gareth will become Sir Gareth. I'm having two people round, of a gender not my own, to watch England play Ukraine on the telly (NOT a pushover...), neither of whom ever watch footie. It'll be spag bol then the footie. There will be wine and there will be an instruction that we do NOT chatter during the match....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 03 Jul 21 - 05:16 PM

Well done ingerland ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jul 21 - 04:43 AM

Hingerland, cha cha cha!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Jul 21 - 05:55 PM

Well Spain-Italy was as good a game of football as I've seen for years. Positive, skilful, fast, attacking...superb. What a shame someone had to lose. Now for us licking the Danes and getting wiped out by Italy... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jul 21 - 08:42 AM

I'm neither a football fan, a nationalist, or a royalist..

But some things are just too good not to share...


https://youtu.be/1z21DPxo1f8

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 21 - 09:11 AM

Er...thanks for sharing...?? I was half-expecting two little boys to start kicking their football up and down the lines... or the band breaking into the Match Of The Day theme tune...??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Jul 21 - 09:48 AM

Nothing will ever beat world cup willie...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 07 Jul 21 - 10:01 AM

I saw this today and thought it may cause some mild amusement


Link

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 04:18 AM

Well, fancy that!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 05:34 AM

Well I'm not exactly over the moon. Denmark scored a spiffing goal. We got there via a scuffed own-goal and a rebound from the unlucky Danish goalie after a terrible Kane penalty kick (that should never have been awarded in a million years in the first place). We'd better play better than that on Sunday, otherwise we'll get marmalised. I love watching Italy play, Italy's my favourite country and I've decided to be a neutral on Sunday. I just want to see a good game!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 07:51 AM

All the best wishes on Sunday.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Jul 21 - 08:42 AM

My only wish is the wish for a good game played in a good spirit. That makes us all winners.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Jul 21 - 08:30 PM

Steve my 'only' best wishes have never included bad things either, like   hooligan violence.
It regards close calls going your way and for Boris to have a good day.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Jul 21 - 08:16 PM

Here is the New York Times on
Italian soccer fanaticism.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 02:52 PM

There happens to be a match kicking off seven minutes from now...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 03:57 PM

Nice first 2 mn! Waiting for 2nd half...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 21 - 07:03 PM

Well Italy deserved it. They have easily been the best team throughout the competition. We've won a few games but, apart from the game against Ukraine, we've been stodgy, dependable and a bit boring. We were found out tonight. A great first half-hour, then well mugged by a wily and experienced Italian team full of energy and drive. I'm happy with the result.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 03:40 AM

As a non-aficionado I thought Italy were the better team too. I think it is a shame it went to penalties though. Very poor way to finish in me 'umble.

As the pundits said, world cup here we come. Lessons learned and more mature.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 05:35 AM

I can't understand why Southgate used three young and inexperienced players in the penalty shootout. The last penalty was taken by the 19-year-old Sako who'd been on the pitch for hardly any time at all and who hadn't even touched the ball. He's never taken a penalty for his club either. In the final analysis you could say that Southgate got us all the way there via superb management over several years - then was responsible for throwing it all away by those silly last-minute decisions.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 05:58 AM

Oh Steve, my husband says exactly the same thing as you. Poor choices of penalty-takers. He's gutted, and nearly cried. All his England clothes have gone into his bottom drawer, and the flags removed from all over the front of our bungalow.
Actually though, he predicted this outcome. He reckoned all along that Italy would win if it came to 'Tire-au-but'. And he was right!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jos
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 06:12 AM

I went out this morning and all was quiet. No cars. No people. The only sound was birds singing. The rest of te world must have been in bed with a massive country-wide hangover.
Bliss.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 06:57 AM

Oops, I got that a bit mashed up, mixing up Saka and Sancho (he missed his penalty too). Don't follow me, follow the Guardian match report! :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jul 21 - 07:57 AM

What remains is that the English kids on the team are outstanding examples of compassionate and aware citizens.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 04:03 AM

We much prefer 'Vindaloo'. Watch it often on Youtube and sing along - very cheering!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 04:32 AM

Oh, don't, Eliza! It's not English food :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jos
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 04:49 AM

I thought chicken tikka masala was now the British national dish (though in this case, being English should be what matters).

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 05:34 AM

I thought it was spag bol, Jos, with the sauce dumped in a heap on top of a pile of overcooked spaghetti, accompanied by a little dish of "Parmesan" that had been grated the year before...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 05:37 AM

You'll Never Walk Alone is allegedly an American show tune, but, as all Liverpool supporters know, it's actually a scouser folk song.

Grain of truth...? ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 06:38 AM

I'll bite, which is it, British or American? Hammerstein wants to know.

mmm chicken Tiki Marsala.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jul 21 - 11:52 AM

“mmm chicken Tiki Marsala.”

Satan’s vomit. Not in the same league as Saag Gosht..

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 11:43 AM

At least one racist clearly identified, a supposed 'comedian' Andrew Lawrence: Metro, Here

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 21 - 01:00 PM

Let's stop with the comments about racists. I imagine it's a problem with football/soccer (even over here we heard about some hateful stuff directed at players recently in the England/Italy game), but your link is to something else. The off topic posts were cleared.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Jul 21 - 03:36 PM

While the stalwarts on this thread
contemplate the heights of well-known football clubs,
it pleases me to see that
Bruce Arena, coaching in the Boston, Massachusetts area,
retains a sense of humor about the New England Revolution FC.

"We look like the Three Stooges at times,
but those are things we can correct . . .
We're not the worst team in the league [MLS] at the moment.
I think we'll be fine."
(16 July 2021)

Update:
Watch the trio of Gustavo Bou, Carlos Gil, and Adam Buksa --
and Teal Bunbury is fun to watch as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Jul 21 - 04:59 PM

'The Simpsons' mocks BBC Documentaries

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 05:54 AM

Norwich City FC's new season football strip has been put on sale, and husband (of course!) ordered one. He was dancing about this morning because it will arrive today by Royal Mail.
We saw a chap in Tesco wearing the same shirt, but he was extremely obese and we reckoned it must have been size XXXL. It came down to his knees, and you could have camped out under it! Husband is size M.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jos
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 06:07 AM

"XXXL"

What someone I know calls "FXL".

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 06:51 AM

Otherwise known as "Fat Bastard Size"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 07:47 AM

Exactly! Imagine if the two teams came out onto the pitch for a Premier League game, and the Norwich City lot were all size XXXL!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: fat B****rd
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 03:42 PM

Watch it Raggy ! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: peteglasgow
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 07:13 PM

'you'll never walk alone' is a celtic song. sounded great when we played liverpool in the champions league a few years back.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Jul 21 - 10:43 PM

peteglasgow,

by 'celtic'
you mean

Celtic FC versus Liverpool FC ?

As in "To Be A Somebody"
on the series "Cracker" ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 02:11 AM

There is some dispute over who sang it first with rival claims but I think Liverpool probably have the best claim. They were singing it on the terraces there shortly after Gerry & The Pacemakers released it in late 63 early 64. Celtic were also singing it from a very early date though. I spoke to one Liverpudlian years ago who said he went to the second leg of the European Cup Winners Cup semi final in 1966. Liverpool had lost the first leg in Glasgow and when he got into Anfield he was astonished to see it packed full with Celtic fans all singing "You'll Never Walk Alone" so they were apparently already singing it by the mid 60s too. Great anthem for both clubs. Here is Gerry leading both sets of fans in 2003 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJqv_Oj_W0

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 01:56 PM

Sen, I believe John Hartson had weight problems in his few games for NCFC.

Cricket comes to mind for other sportsmen. A bit before my time but Colin Milburn had quite a frame, and apparently was (as well as being an excellent batsman) a surprisingly agile fielder.

Within a time I was following county cricket… I quite like this Wiki extract for Ian Austin who was a good county player for Lancs:

Enormously popular with the Lancashire crowd thanks to his uncomplicated batting style and equally old-fashioned waistline,

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Jul 21 - 03:15 PM

I think you're right Jon. My sister says it's fitness that matters, not size. I feel a bit guilty now for 'fat-shaming'! It's just that in all the places in West Africa I've visited, I never once saw anyone obese. Strong, active and rather thin, but never too plump.
Husband has been mincing around in Fakenham Morrisons today in his new top. Had lots of cheery comments and compliments.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Jul 21 - 06:28 PM

Who expected the USMNT soccer team to advance to
the Gold Cup semi-finals?

Judging from the fuss in the USA,
a lot of Murricans didn't.

Now they take on the team from Qatar.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 01:41 PM

Just read journalistic accounts of the game mentioned in the previous post.

One of those funny games that could have swung either way,
it sounds like.
Qatar's team, while a newer entity, looked promising going in.
The USMNT team, however, outlasted them and, I believe, wore them down.
The game sounds rather ugly, with only one goal scored and an awful lot of effort to prevent further goals from being scored.

Anyway, the USMNT team has won that game and now comes
a truly emotional meeting:
USA versus Mexico, they have been fierce rivals for some time.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jul 21 - 02:58 PM

Our Norwich City FC team have had to cancel a friendly match against Sheffield because some have tested positive for Covid. Our big game (against Liverpool) is on 14th August. Husband says Liverpool will 'eat them alive'. It might not take place if players still test positive.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Jul 21 - 08:34 PM

. . . and we will see what happens in this year's
Gold Cup Final, Mexico versus USMNT.

Gregg Berhalter of USMNT talks to the Daily Mail before Gold Cup Final


Gregg Berhalter's home team is the New England Revolution with coach Bruce Arena, which team I am watching with curiosity -- it's a newer team and doing impressive things in the MLS league.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 09:03 AM

So Norwich vs Liverpool today. Be very afraid, Delia's lot. I've got just one word to say to Eliza and her fella, and that word is "GRRR..."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 11:51 AM

Hee hee Steve, "GRRR!" to you too! :)
Quite a few people on our street have hoisted the Norwich City FC flag on their poles. Husband reckons Norwich have a chance. At least Teemu Pukki the Finn, our striker, is playing.
He wore everything he possesses of the club's colours on our visit to Morrisons in Fakenham. And did his usual "Come on yew Yellows!" like a well-trained parrot while pushing our trolley around the aisles.
We shall see.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 02:28 PM

Heheh. Don't say you weren't warned... (evil grin with devil's horns emoji...)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Aug 21 - 04:44 PM

Oh blooming 'eck! We lost 0 -3 !! Pukki didn't score. And I think some of our team 'dived' when merely touched lightly by a Liverpool player.
If I knew how to do those emoji thingies Steve, I'd click on the Poo one and send you that! :)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 01:48 AM

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Dad had another fall yesterday. His main concern was that he would be able to follow the Norwich game. It turned out one of the crew that came to get him up was a Liverpool supporter and they had a light heated disagreement over the likely result.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 03:39 AM

I'm sorry about your dad having had a fall Jon. Hope he's alright. But what luck that a Liverpool chap arrived to help him - it must have distracted him nicely with all the banter.
And WELL DONE for getting those emoji doodahs up! You must be very techie-savvy (I'm still at the cave-woman stage I'm afraid!)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 05:54 AM

I started this thread 3 years ago to suggest that Hurling and Gaelic football were more entertaining than the UK variety of football.

Yesterday I watched the highlights of the engliash Premiership and saw 25 goals in total from 7 matches. I also watched the semi-final of the Gaelic football competition which after the 70 minute playing period was 0-13 to 0-13. It then went to extra time another 20 minutes when the final score was Dublin 0-14 to Mayo 0-17.

So in the one match the scores were more than the whole of the premiership matches.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 06:41 AM

Well it's great to see goals, but football is also about trying to prevent goals. Allison's spectacular double save in the Norwich-Liverpool match was as exciting to watch as any goal. Dour 0-0 draws can be tedious, but I've seen some great 1-0 games in my time.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 21 - 08:45 AM

I know which I would prefer to watch though Steve, and it wouldn't be English football.

The Gaelic game is highly skilled, very tactical, played hard and mainly fair, there are few cynical offences and at a very high tempo.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 12:16 PM

Excellent to see Spurs giving Man Citeh a good sheikhing even without spoiled brat Harry. €150 million my arse. Golden Boot for in-offs and penalties, and anonymous for almost the whole of almost every game...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 05:17 PM

I take it you don't hold Harry Kane in a very favourable light.

His Grandfather hails from very close to where we are and there he is held in very high regard.

Rumour has it he has bought some land with a view to be building a house there at some point.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Aug 21 - 06:01 PM

I think that his recent behaviour has been petulant and selfish. Instead of being so desperate to get to a club "where he can win trophies," he should be doing his damnedest to get Spurs to the top. They have a great new manager after a poor season under Mourinho but it is very recent that Spurs were in the top four twice, in a League Cup final and a Champions League final. He formed a great goal-scoring relationship with Son, but in his selfish quest for personal glory in a team game he seems to have overlooked that he's failed to win anything with Spurs in spite of his lionisation. He's no Messi, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 02:15 AM

"He's no Messi, that's for sure."

Not many are these days, if we are talking about players who stay with one club throughout their career. Liverpool have bought a number of players over the years.

I am a Spurs supporter (or rather a follower as someone called me. They have not had much of my money over the years). I would prefer Kane to stay but it does not surprise me that he might want to move. A football career is short and the number of prizes are small. No surprise that he wants a chance to win some.

Spurs might be a top club financially but not when it comes to winning things. Over the years they have always lost their better players to 'bigger' or better clubs. It is the nature of the beast.

We shall see what we shall see. Good win on Saturday but it is s long season. On another day, City will probably not spurn so many chances.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 03:59 AM

Whilst a Liverpool follower (I like that, actually), I've always had a soft spot for Spurs. I think they have a very decent squad and on Sunday they seemed to have responded with great enthusiasm to their new manager, Nuno. You could almost say they were better without Kane. Son is brilliant and Lucas Moura is grievously underestimated. Messi stayed at Barca not only in their glory days but through their long decline in recent years. "Just get the ball to Messi" was a tactic that went on for years latterly and it didn't work. "Just get the ball to Harry" won't work either. He's 28, he lacks pace and he has glass ankles (as well as too much ego for a supposed team player). I think he's past his best. Daniel should ask for 200 million and make suckers out of Citeh. Harry won't make them better.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 12:03 PM

Is that because they can't possibly get any better? :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 17 Aug 21 - 02:55 PM

The beautiful game.

"Galatasaray's Marcao was red carded after headbutting and punching his own team-mate on Monday.

The Brazilian defender was dismissed just after the hour mark of Gala's 2-0 league win over Giresunspor after losing it with winger Muhammed Kerem Akturkoglu.

The centre-back seemed to take exception to something that Akturkoglu said, as well as the winger putting his finger to his lips in a 'be quiet' gesture.

He responded by running from his own half to headbutt and then throw punches at the winger, and had to be restrained by team-mates before he was shown a red card."

BBC - Heading is bad for your health


Good job they were not losing.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Aug 21 - 09:15 AM

Yesterday I watched the scintillating All Ireland Hurling final between Cork and Limerick.

Limerick ran out winners by a score of 3-32 to 1-22.

There where more points scored in that one match of 70 minutes than the entire matches of the Premiership and Championship football matches combined played over a total of 1800 minutes.

It really is a far better spectator spectacle.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Aug 21 - 01:22 PM

Oh crumbs, Man City beat Norwich City 5-0 on Saturday, after Liverpool beat us 3-0 the week before. We're doomed! Doomed I tell you!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 26 Aug 21 - 06:09 AM

No we're not! We beat Bournemouth 6-0 on Tuesday! Woooohoooo!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 01:12 PM

Yes we are! Leicester beat us today 2-1. Here in Norwich. Gaaaaah!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Aug 21 - 03:31 PM

This is the first I have heard of this phrase,
yet it is reported as a figure of speech that
occurs in football (your football).

Who has heard of this?
Attributed to Andy Gray.


"He would struggle on a cold night at the Brittania Stadium"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 05:22 AM

There have been different versions of this comment over the years. Skillful and/or foreign players would not cope on a cold wet and windy night at Turf Moor or Plough Lane etc.

Players tend to get less time on the ball before a challenge comes in. Some players struggle with that when they first arrive. The play can also be more physical here too.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 04:08 PM

6-0 is nice but I'm not really sure what we can read into the Carabao cup win, Sen. Norwich had 10 changes from the side that lost 6-0 to Man City but I don't know (and am ignorant about) how many of them are likely to get selected for a Premiership game.

It never(to me) seems to be a high priority trophy for the bigger clubs. I did get to Wembley to see Norwich lose to Villa 1975 when it was the League Cup.

Just maybe, you could take some hope from the Leicester game. I caught a bit of game updates on the BBC thing dad watches (or can be glued to...) and I read the BBC match report. My impression was Norwich played quite well and didn't "deserve" to loose.

But that's how things go. Maybe better to follow, I don't know but having Liverpool, Man C and Leicester in your first few games isn't the easiest of starts.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Aug 21 - 05:29 PM

You're right Jon. Husband says the same - "It's early days, and we've had some tough teams to play against." (He lives in hope!)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 30 Aug 21 - 10:06 PM

I find it curious that things are just getting ready
for FIFA World Cup 2022, and at the same time,

the United States is courting FIFA regarding the
World Cup 2026 -- I think I got that right --
part of which is to happen in the US.
Just read a story about the city of Nashville, Tennessee.

Nashville dearly wants to help host
the US portion of the 2026 World Cup.
So there is a 2022 World Cup qualifier match for the USMNT
this coming Sunday, it's in Nashville,
(US vs. Canada if I understand rightly)
and Nashville is going to try to persuade FIFA to
let them host part of 2026.


Sept 16 visit, FIFA to be wined and dined in Nashville, Tennessee

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 04 Sep 21 - 11:12 PM

More about Nashville, Tennessee, which dearly wants to 'go to the ball'
concerning the 2026 FIFA World Cup.

The list of USA cities who want to host, in 2026, includes:

Los Angeles
Houston, TX
Cincinnati, OH
Baltimore, MD
San Francisco
Philadelphia
Kansas City
. . . and Nashville.

Nashville Tennessean, 1 Sept. 2021

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 06 Sep 21 - 08:52 AM

This coming Saturday, the 11th, will see the final of the All Ireland Gaelic Football cup between Mayo and Tyrone. The winners will receive the magnificent Sam McGuire cup and will have the coveted ttile of All Ireland winners.

Mayo have not won the cup since 1951 as on the return journey after winning the cup they were "cursed" by a priest (or a woman) for disrespecting a funeral taking place in the town of Foxford. The "curse" was that Mayo would never win another All Ireland title whilst any of the team member remained alive. There is just one survivor of that team, a man now aged 94.

Mayo in the past 70 years have reached the final on 10 occasions and on 10 occasions have been beaten somethimes by a single point.

If you can I would suggest you watch the match which starts at 5pm local time. It can be seen on RTE sports and SkySports Arena I am confident you will not be dissappointed.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Sep 21 - 02:54 PM

Meanwhile, west of the Atlantic,
qualifying games for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

Here's an analysis of the past weekend's game in which
Canada (CANMNT) narrowly defeated the United States (USMNT).

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Sep 21 - 08:17 PM

The Los Angeles Times gives a resumé of the hazards of
games played in CONCACAF home stadia around the Americas,
in the context of FIFA World Cup qualifiers.


Hostility, gamesmanship during World Cup qualifier in Honduras

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 07:15 PM

Mayo, God help us indeed Raggytash.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Sep 21 - 07:43 PM

Fair play to Tyrone, they were by far the better team today.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Sep 21 - 08:07 AM

In case Raggy is still suffering from the celebrations/commiserations from yesterday I can let you know that the curse is still on!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Sep 21 - 07:43 AM

Sorry Raggy - Somehow between my intending to post and my last post arriving your previous comment appeared. I blame the tories...

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 06:23 PM

Liverpool 3 AC Milan 2. Champions League. If you didn't see this game, that's your severe bad luck. It was the fastest, most scintillating, most see-saw, most amazing game ever. Absolutely how the game should be played. Naturally, as a Liverpool fan I'm over the moon, 'arry. Especially as El Capitan, Jordan Henderson, scored a screamer to win the game. One wag posting in the Guardian comments column called the goal a thunderbastard. Very appropriate, and I have a new word in my lexicon! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 06:26 PM

Liverpool 3 AC Milan 2. Champions League. If you didn't see this game, that's your severe bad luck. It was the fastest, most scintillating, most see-saw, most amazing game ever. Absolutely how the game should be played. Naturally, as a Liverpool fan I'm over the moon, 'arry. Especially as El Capitan, Jordan Henderson, scored a screamer to win the game. One wag posting in the Guardian comments column called the goal a thunderbastard. Very appropriate, and I have a new word in my lexicon!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Sep 21 - 06:27 PM

Dammit. Though it was so good that it WAS worth repeating...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Sep 21 - 08:05 PM

Hey, chaps and chapesses. We haven't heard from MikeL2 for six months now. I PMed him a few weeks ago but got no reply. Anybody heard from him...?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 17 Sep 21 - 09:33 AM

Just watched 'The Keeper', a biopic about Bert Trautmann which was on the box recently. Lovely film about a good and talented man, whilst not quite the perfect saint he's sometimes portrayed as.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 19 Sep 21 - 06:06 AM

Jimmy Greaves RIP

One of the great all time goalscorers.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 06:59 AM

2026 World Cup at Washington DC.
Ted Lasso best football coach in UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: DaveRo
Date: 20 Sep 21 - 08:09 AM

Just watched the first part of Fever Pitch on BBC2:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09mqv7k/episodes/guide

The story of how football's Premier League was formed, told by its stars. What began in 1992 as a controversial breakaway has become the most watched sporting competition in the world.

I'm not a football fan (my wife is, she went to Old Trafford with her Dad as a girl) but I found it very interesting. How Murdoch's gamble in creating Sky TV paid off, and created football as a business rather than a sport.

I've seen more of Cantona in films than on the pitch. Ken Loach's Looking for Eric is good.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 06:50 AM

Well Liverpool massacred Norwich City at Carrow Road, and we played like babies. Poor defence, no daring attempts, dead loss all round. Result 3-0. Husband almost sure 'Nous allons descendre!"
Chap on the corner with the huge flagpole has put his Norwich City FC flag at half mast!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 07:09 AM

It was all right by me... ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 08:35 AM

Hee hee I thought of you Steve! Husband was watching it at ours, while I was across the road at my neighbours' house (They have Sky). She's an ardent Norwich City fan (Norfolk born-and-bred) She was gutted, and kept groaning, "Oi dornt naow, oi reck'n we'll goo daown, dornt yew?"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 01:51 PM

Just heard that Wakefield Trinity RL team have confirmed that their head coach is Willie Poching

I know rugby is supposed to be a hard man's game but that seems one hell of a way to get the players in line...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: robomatic
Date: 22 Sep 21 - 07:04 PM

Enjoying the heck out of the transAtlantic show: "Ted Lasso".

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 24 Sep 21 - 03:53 AM

I see that Arsene Wenger is proposing an 'inclusion' type of re-jig of FIFA. He wants as many countries as possible to be included in FIFA tournaments. But some say this will dilute the standard of football, and have a damaging effect. I'm not sure what to think. Any ideas?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 09:45 AM

Roger Hunt, World Cup winner and Liverpool goal-scoring legend, has died. One of the true greats. Let's hope that Liverpool can do him proud in Portugal tonight.

I salute you, Sir Roger!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 05:03 PM

Liverpool DID do Sir Roger proud, beating Porto 5-1 in Portugal. The icing on the cake is that PSG beat Man Citeh, with Messi scoring a blinder. What's not to like!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 05:28 PM

Sad news.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 05:49 PM

Sir Roger headed the rebound from Geoff Hurst's "controversial" goal-line goal in the World Cup Final over the bar. He could have headed it into the net instead, but Roger KNEW that the ball had crossed the line and felt he didn't need to. What class! What honesty! What a man!   What a Liverpool legend!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 06:12 PM

Sad news .......... ?

I presume that you meant that Roger Hunt, that stalwart of the Liverpool team has died.

It could also have meant that Liverpool beat Porto 5-1 or that Manchester City had lost to PSG 2.0 !!

Just saying like .......................... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Sep 21 - 06:20 PM

I thought you were a Man U fan, Raggytash. As such, a Citeh defeat should delight you, as it delights me!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 05:56 AM

Not so Steve, I suspect I have a view (loyalty) that goes Lancashire (and in the case of football Manchester Utd, then city)first, northern second, English third, British fourth, European fifth.

As yet we haven't had to play at any interplanetary games so World has not entered into the equation!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 08:00 AM

Sad news was in reference to Sir Roger but now you mention it, City loosing is sad too. Not in the same league of course. Pun intended

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 08:32 AM

Are you saying that Citeh losing made you sheikh your head in sadness? Chin up - maybe they'll have better luck when PSG visit the Emptyhad stadium!

And of course it's the Big One at Anfield on Sunday...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 09:15 AM

Is he related to Sheik Yabuti?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 10:28 AM

Nah - more than two sheikhs and it's a w***!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 11:36 AM

I thought it was spelled Sheikh Yerbouti,
that's what I remember from
a disco/satire album from Frank Zappa.
One of the few times that I have walked into a record shop,
looked at a record sleeve on display,
and roared with laughter where everybody can hear me --
Zappa had the sheikh head-covering on, in the photo.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 21 - 06:07 PM

Tuff titty, Chelski! They were mugged by a canny Juve team (I watched the match). Juventus always seemed to have nine or ten men behind the ball, shades of Mourinho when he was at the helm at Chelsea. I still expect Chelsea to get through from the group they're in. They should smash Juve at the Bridge (which I lived literally next door to for two years in the early 70s, where I first met the eventually-to-be Mrs Steve in 1974). I see that Man U scraped a victory. Actually, I'm a massive admirer of Cristiano, and I treasure a photo of Mrs Steve standing next to his statue in Funchal, Madeira, the place of his upbringing. Just down from that statue is a coffee bar that sells the best bloody pastel de nata on the planet. Yes!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Sep 21 - 05:41 AM

Dig this piece of writing from Barney Ronay in the Guardian about last night's match:

At moments like these Chelsea seem to have a wealth of everything, and somehow not quite enough of some things: a brilliantly powerful squad that still has the sense somehow of too much hole and not enough doughnut.

"Too much hole and not enough doughnut." God, I love that! I've used it four times this morning already (once about Keir Starmer...)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 06:13 PM

A stellar football match at Anfield. A draw, but who cares. Pep and Jurgen have a huge amount of respect for each other. The second half especially was a footballing spectacle you will rarely see. The icing on the cake was Mo Salah's goal. You won't see a better one this season. What I love is that these guys are producing the kind of football that football fans love. No parking of the bus, no defensive negativity. Brilliant stuff.

I really miss Mike's input to this thread. I've PMd him but got no response.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Oct 21 - 08:30 PM

In Massachusetts, USA, I have been watching owner Robert Kraft,
of New England Patriots pigskin-football fame,
nurture his investment in
the New England Revolution FC, presently based in Gillette Stadium.

I knew Mr. Kraft played a long game, but this journalism article
gives me a better idea of HOW long a game --
1989, some 32 years ago.
Between Kraft and coach Bruce Arena, this football club
is trying for a breakthrough,
but I'm in no position to tell
how many years it might take.

they call it the 'crayon flag': 29 June 2021

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Oct 21 - 03:19 PM

I've been hearing about Sadio Mané (Senegalese player for Liverpool) from my husband. He earns vast sums of money, yet contributes a lot for charity. He has built a hospital near his home village in Senegal (a country I know quite well) and donates sums to all sorts of worthy causes.
Isn't that lovely?
(whisper: He's also extremely dishy too!)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 10:18 AM

"The icing on the cake was Mo Salah's goal. You won't see a better one this season."

I lied. I've just seen an even better one, scored by (who else?) Mo Salah. Do not fail to see this. It's quite likely going on YouTube. Or there's Match Of The Day, of course! Yee-haa!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Oct 21 - 09:52 PM

There is a young Anglo-American -- very young -- player out there
getting international attention.


"This kid has it" --Brenden Aaronson

And then there is that eighteen-year-old who could have played, when recruited, for either Mexico or the United States. He picked the US.
Ricardo Pepi during the USA - Jamaica game

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Oct 21 - 05:08 AM

I always thought that Roberto ManCity was the right man for the job.

I'll get my coat...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Oct 21 - 07:59 PM

Yet another scintillating, thrilling game, Atletico Madrid v. Liverpool in the Champions League. We won dirty, as they say, in a tight and open game. Edge of seat, which is how I like it. Atleti, as expected, play-acted their way through the match and their manager Diego Simeone did his primadonna bit on the touchline as ever. So we top the group, max points, and two more goals for Mo. Brilliant!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 07:18 AM

I'm no fan of Man Ure, but I must say that the second half of the match against Atalanta was bloody brilliant from them - great fightback, great game to watch!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 05:35 PM

Team names are wierd here. In Texas its DC-dallas cowboys and in DC its WTF-Washington Football Team.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Oct 21 - 10:09 PM

I did not realize, before this moment, that Norway's
FK Bodø / Glimt, with the canary-yellow kit,
had been profiled in the New York Times.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Oct 21 - 02:59 PM

Oh crumbs oh crumbs!!! Norwich were beaten by Chelsea today 7 -0 !!
A complete massacre! We'll be going back down at the end of the season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Oct 21 - 03:38 PM

I've posted this on another thread (the pet peeves job), but it definitely belongs here too. Liverpool had just slaughtered Man Ure 5-0 at Old Trafford this afternoon (sorry, Raggytash, this isn't intended as a gloat, though, naturally, I'm lying...). This is what I posted:

Following on from that, at the end of the match the BBC radio commentator said "In the first half, United had their trousers pulled down by Liverpool. In the second half, they just toyed with 'em..."

The mind truly doth boggle!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Oct 21 - 09:48 PM

New England Revolution forward Teal Bunbury,
who if I remember right is a Canadian native,
talks about his team's success in this interview
with the Boston Globe.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Oct 21 - 07:19 AM

You are quite correct Steve, I have seldom seen United so outplayed. Liverpool, I have to admit, were clinical and superb.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 10 Nov 21 - 07:04 PM

This journalist article about an upcoming match in the CONCACAF/World Cup qualifiers,
between the United States and Mexico,
is complicated and fascinating to me.
The lengths to which the United States will go to keep
the Mexico team's fans from overwhelming a game in the United States ...

Making a home game an actual home game

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 21 - 07:34 PM

Well here's a heartwarming and inspirational football story. Just about a year ago, the   Mexican footballer Raúl Jiménez, who played as Wolves' star striker, was so badly injured after a collision of heads that it seemed he would die.

There's a lovely 30-minute documentary on the Beeb that follows his route to recovery from that awful incident. It's taken many months for his rehabilitation, but as from the start of this season he's fully recovered and is, by now, back to his menacing best for Wolves (he scored an amazing goal yesterday) and is going from strength to strength.

He's a lovely, smiley man with a lovely family, all featured in the programme, as is his erstwhile Wolves manager, Nuno Espiritosanto, another wonderful human being. I thought it was a great watch. It's called Code Red and it's on iPlayer.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Nov 21 - 07:38 PM

"Played"?? He still plays for them!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 07:28 AM

One just for Steve

Yul Bryner was a lifelong Liverpool fan.

He also never used aftershave.

Yes, that's right,

Yul never wore cologne

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Dec 21 - 09:25 AM

I read that somewhere this very morning!

One thing's for sure: I'm no Paul Tierney fan. Tosser.

I wonder where Mike is. He stopped posting and didn't respond to a PM...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 11:19 AM

No, not seen anything of Mike for months. I hope he is OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 08:50 PM

The USMNT took on Bosnia in one of those games that are described as 'friendly'.
It didn't sound friendly to me in the description:
one American player, Kelly Acosta if memory serves,
was so aggressively toppled over from behind
that the Bosnian in question was red-carded.

If that was a friendly game, then ... ?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Dec 21 - 09:06 PM

Friendly doesn't mean uncompetitive. It means a game that's for teams to limber up and get some playing time in, with no particular trophy to play for.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 22 - 05:30 PM

So Liverpool subdue Inter in Milan to take a two-goal lead back to Anfield in the Champions League. What a great game, played in a great spirit! While Liverpool lives, Shankly will never die!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 03:56 AM

Norwich got slaughtered by Man City 4 - 0 last Saturday. The chap on the corner of our road has taken down the huge Canaries flag from his tall flagpole.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 05:10 AM

Oh dear...and you're coming to the cauldron which is Anfield on Saturday...I'm afraid we can't afford to be nice to you...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 05:13 AM

Hee hee Steve! I reckon the chap on the corner should get a large black flag!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 05:38 AM

4-0 was a good result. Dad and I had both predicted a 5-0 loss. We've both accepted Norwich will probably be slaughtered by the top sides. How many points the club picks up from other matches is of more concern.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 07:44 AM

Ah Jon, that's a very positive view! The games can be enjoyable even if we don't always win. And it's all good, valuable experience for our team isn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 11:47 AM

Just to be a tad provocative here... When was the last time Raggytash asked me about the last time Liverpool won a trophy...? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 17 Feb 22 - 12:37 PM

Not a problem Steve, I seem to recall that Liverpool have won the Premiership lust ONCE, Manchester City have won it FIVE times, Chelsea have also won it FIVE times, Arsenal have won it TWICE. Blackburn Rover and Leicester City like Liverpool have won it just ONCE.

Manchester United, just for the record, have won it THIRTEEN times, including three hat tricks.

Comeback to me when you get to Twelve !!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 06:07 AM

Certainly. That'll be in eleven years' time, so hang in there...

And I'd remind you that those golden Fergie years were besmirched by Fergie's unfailing ability to piss off the world's greats, including Ruud Van Nistelrooy, Eric Cantona, David Beckham, Cristiano Ronaldo... Then there was the serial abuse and intimidation of referees, Fergie time (proven), a stupid and petulant falling-out with the BBC, hundreds of unattractive, scrappy narrow victories...

Give me Jurgen any day! I've watched the majority of Liverpool matches this season and I've seen positive, attacking football every time, even when they've not been on top form. Klopp is brilliant at developing players, he promotes harmony in his squad and he realises that football is primarily about giving the fans a great experience. The club is run on a proper business footing, money is not wasted buying players just to get star names in the squad - and scousers the world over love it all. Watch MOTD on catchup and admire those three beautiful goals against Norwich.

By the way, sorry about that, Jon and Eliza...It had to be done I'm afraid... and Man Citeh got beaten!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 06:12 AM

Bit sad we lost, but it was good experience for Norwich. And we held them off for the first half, quite an achievement against such a star team.
I was much amused at the Toon Army (Newcastle United) bringing inflatable cats to the match v West Ham. Kurt Zouma, having kicked his cat and thumped it on video deserves this teasing. I liked their little song too.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 20 Feb 22 - 07:48 AM

"The club is run on a proper business footing, money is not wasted buying players just to get star names in the squad - and scousers the world over love it all."

The last part of this sentence really worries me, not that scousers should love their team being successful but that it was written by a Manc!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 22 - 07:26 AM

Is Radcliffe really Manc though? I see myself as more of a floating voter in this regard...

I have cousins who I never see who are Manure supporters (as was our grandad) and another who has a Citeh season ticket. My dad was a Burnley supporter when Burnley were in their "total football" glory days (I should only have to mention Jimmy McIlroy). I had another cousin, younger than me, who died young, who was an Accrington Stanley loyalist, even through the fallow years. In the days when a lad could get into the terraces for a tanner I went to t'Gigg often. There was a lunatic at the back of the terrace who spent the whole match banging a huge great big bass drum. We went to watch t'Rovers a few times too (anyone remember Bryan Douglas, the greatest ever passer of the ball, and Ronnie Clayton, midfield maestro?) Happy days!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 22 - 06:33 PM

Well now, when I happen to mention in a casual and accidental aside that Liverpool beat Leeds 6-0 this evening, Raggytash will, I predict, living in Man U's inglorious past as he is wont to do, once again show up as naysayer numero uno. ;-)

But what a turnaround. From 12 points behind Citeh, and with doom-laden predictions that Mané and Salah would be sorely missed as they went off for a month to play for their African nations, we've won every match and are snapping at the heels of Pep's oilmen, with a better goal difference to boot. What's not to like? Of course, the next couple of months are highly unpredictable and the whole lot could collapse around our ears like a house of cards. But the journey so far is glorious (and entertaining).

Just to add: the top three Premier League scorers this season to date are:

Mo Salah (Liverpool)
Diogo Jota (Liverpool)
Sadio Mané (Liverpool)

I rest my case....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 22 - 07:56 AM

I think you will be hard pushed to find any comment where I have ever criticised Liverpool football club.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 22 - 08:05 AM

Ah, but you do like to dredge up Man U's ancient history to put alongside Liverpool's achievements in an attempt to put the latter in the shade! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 24 Feb 22 - 08:22 AM

Oh thats true, but by the same token you often refer to United's present situation while conveniently ignoring the previous 25 years of almost constant success, over 40 major trophies.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 22 - 08:25 AM

Thank God for the East Lancs Road! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 22 - 05:59 PM

The League Cup final (which you could only watch on Sky/Now TV, unfortunately) was an absolute credit to both Chelsea and Liverpool. A pulsating match, plenty of ebb and flow, lots of drama with a sprinkling of controversy... What footie should be all about! Shame someone had to lose. A penalty shoot-out which took 21 penalties before it was resolved by the Chelsea goalie skying his attempt. Brilliant. Gerry Marsden will be grinning up there in heaven tonight...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 22 - 01:18 PM

I agree Steve. I watched the match at my neighbours' house over the road, and it was very exciting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 22 - 03:25 PM

Well, Eliza, I'm afraid that we're inviting you to Anfield again tomorrow night. FA Cup fifth round. I hope Delia will be there. I've just used (as I've done every year for the last forty) her pancake batter recipe. I always make extra. Delicioso!

Ps. The match is on ITV! No fancy subscriptions needed!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 01 Mar 22 - 05:34 PM

I've always liked Delia. Her cookery was simple, plain and straightforward. None of these poncy, fancy recipes. And none of that sexy stuff you get from Nigella!
Actually, I've met Delia several times years ago, in St John's Norwich Catholic Cathedral. Very pleasant lady.
Even if Liverpool beat us tomorrow, it's all good experience and very exciting for the Canary fans. The chap on the corner has hoisted his flag again.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 22 - 01:50 PM

Dunno whether there is an underlying motive but, even if there is, I think Abramovitch is doing the right thing

"The sale of the club will not be fast-tracked but will follow due process. I will not be asking for any loans to be repaid. This has never been about business nor money for me, but about pure passion for the game and club. Moreover, I have instructed my team to set up a charitable foundation where all net proceeds from the sale will be donated. The foundation will be for the benefit of all victims of the war in Ukraine. This includes providing critical funds towards the urgent and immediate needs of victims, as well as supporting the long-term work of recovery."

Good on him

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Mar 22 - 05:48 PM

Sorry about that, Eliza. You fought what was basically Liverpool's B team very well. It was a bit squeaky bum for the last 20 minutes. Annoying that ITV didn't give us a shot of Delia...

As for Abramovich, he is said to have written off Chelsea's £1.5 billion debt to him. So Chelsea have had £1.5 billion of money that is very likely to have come from corruption and dodgy dealings that have, at best, impoverished the donor's country big time. Will questions be asked?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Mar 22 - 06:53 AM

Nice one, Palace. I watched it on Now TV (I have an offer...) and they put up a mighty defence for the whole game, riding their luck at times but also threatening Citeh on the counter a good few times. A nil-nil thriller, and we have a title race on our hands! Now for Arsenal on Wednesday...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 Mar 22 - 07:35 AM

Last Thursday, Norwich City played Chelsea here at Carrow Road. A friend of my neighbour is an ardent Chelsea supporter, and his wife has a season ticket for Norwich City. He borrowed her ticket to get a place among the Norwich supporters, and masqueraded as one of them. (He had to leave his Chelsea scarf etc at home).
When Chelsea scored he had to pretend he was gutted, when actually he was thrilled. They beat us 3 -1, and he danced home delighted, to the disgust of his long-suffering wife.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Apr 22 - 07:14 PM

A magnificent match between the two Premier League title contenders ending Man City 2 Liverpool 2. We've achieved an incredibly high standard in football and these are the two top teams on Planet Earth right now (in m'humble of course!). Tough luck if you couldn't see the whole game. And they play again next Saturday in the FA Cup semi-final. A cornucopia of delights! Go, Reds!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Apr 22 - 02:47 AM

I'm not sure if this New York Times piece is paywalled but I found it interesting.

Soccer Should Worry About the Product, Not the Packaging

A simple rule change paved the way for the modern soccer we watch today. An obsession with Super Bowl-style changes won’t move it forward.

It goes on to talk about FIFA's proposals to improve the 'experience':

It was striking, for example, that Al-Khelaifi should cite the Super Bowl as an example of the sort of things soccer should be doing. Why, he asked, was the final of the Champions League not more of an event? Why was it not more of a show? Why was there not a litany of the world’s biggest musical acts lining up to play at the world’s biggest annual sporting fixture?

(The answer to that last one, for what it’s worth, is that the world’s biggest musical acts know full well that they would be jeered if they played the Champions League final, because all of the people in the stadium are there to see a soccer match, not a concert.)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Apr 22 - 08:18 PM

Fantastic fightback from valiant Chelsea tonight. They won the game but lost on aggregate. But what a terrific game of football. It was a bit special was that and I'm not even a Chelsea fan.

Liverpool should dispatch Benfica tomorrow, then it's Villareal in the semis. Life is good.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Apr 22 - 08:27 PM

Today I was reminded of how much the United States teams owe to
first-generation immigrants -- for their PUBLIC/audience.

I heard one of the employees, where I am staying, enthusing about the Manchester City - Liverpool game.
He speaks Spanish and I don't know which country his forebears are from.
But he was speaking his usual good, slightly accented English,
and telling his co-workers that
watching the broadcast was so exciting that he could not go to the bathroom until it was finished.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Apr 22 - 02:25 AM

The times they are a-changin'

Are paper football programmes on their way out?

Jumpers for goalposts anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 22 - 10:07 AM

It was indeed a phenomenal football match, keberoxu, one of the best I've ever seen (I watched every minute of it). The two sides meet again on Saturday at Wembley in the FA Cup semi-final. It would be a bit much to expect similar intensity again, though you never know... Last night's Real Madrid-Chelsea game was similarly thrilling. There's far too much wrong with football, but once those players get out there on the pitch and play like that they are doing it for the fans. Good times!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Apr 22 - 04:04 AM

Ha! Norwich City beat Burnley 2-1 on Sunday. Lees-Melou and Pukki scored for us at Carrow Road. The chap on the corner of my road has hoisted his large Canaries flag.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 16 Apr 22 - 08:56 AM

Available on the BBC iplayer

Bend It Like Beckham: 20 Years On

"Gurinder Chadha's Bend It Like Beckham is the highest-grossing sports film to focus on football, telling the story of a British-Indian teenager who falls in love with the game, while exploring themes of immigration, race, religion and sexuality. Twenty years on from its release, BBC Sport's Miriam Walker-Khan looks at the impact the film had on audiences, its legacy in the world of sport and how its humour and characters still make it relatable today."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Apr 22 - 07:57 PM

Another superbly entertaining game in the FA Cup semi-final, with Liverpool nailing it by half-time yet nearly chucking it by the end and taking ten years off my life. What a season.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Apr 22 - 05:28 AM

This is Jurgen Klopp speaking about tonight's upcoming game against Manchester United:

“If we let United do what they want, they will cause us massive problems,” the Liverpool manager said. “We have to be in the right mood to fight for the three points and not want to show we are in a better moment than United. Who is interested about that? There are times when you have better moments than other teams but then you get a knock and that’s it with the better moment. Who cares?

“They want the three points we need. We have to be angry in a good way, greedy, like you are if you have won nothing and would be with nil points and it’s the most important three points in your life. That’s the attitude we need for this game, otherwise the quality is too high. United are too good for not being in that mood.”

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Apr 22 - 05:30 AM

I meant to add, do you think that Google Translate might help? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 19 Apr 22 - 08:38 AM

Very sad that Ronaldo has had to drop out.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Apr 22 - 09:23 AM

I know. I'd like to have seen both teams at full strength tonight. Losing a child must be just about the most awful thing...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Apr 22 - 06:40 PM

The Anfield scousers showed real class after seven minutes of the game (Cristiano Ronaldo wears the no 7 shirt). Tens of thousands of Liverpool fans applauding and singing You'll Never Walk Alone in honour of Ronaldo in sympathy for his loss. Brilliant.

The other real class was on show in the form of Liverpool's Thiago Alcantara. I can't remember a better, more perfect performance by a footballer. Oh, and we won 4-0...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Apr 22 - 05:38 PM

Who will own Chelsea FC when the negotiating is done??

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Apr 22 - 07:41 PM

We know not. Chelsea will almost certainly finish third this season and they are in the FA Cup Final with Liverpool on May 14. I've invited a good ol' mate of mine round to watch it on my telly. He suffers from the severe misfortune of being a Chelsea supporter. Mucho pizza and cheap booze will be consumed but we'll avoid a punch-up. Good times, good living!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 04:02 AM

I was once in a pub in Scotland (The Ellangowan, Creetown) when a Celtic/Rangers match was on TV. At every moment it seemed a fight would break out in the bar but at the end of the game everyone was best of mates again!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 04:03 AM

And...


1500!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 04:15 AM

Very occasionally, I would go to the Cross Keys in Penrhynside (nr Llandudno, N Wales) when a football match was on. Never any fighting but a lot of piss taking and banter. It was only a small village pub but it had a great atmosphere.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 04:24 AM

Ah Dave, I well remember watching a match at Ibrox between Celtic and Rangers with a football-mad boyfriend in the seventies. We'd been in a pub first (I didn't drink alcohol, but 'boyfriend' was rather tanked up!) I must have been the only woman there, and I was rather amused to see many of the spectators using their empty McEwans beer cans to wee in, then chucking them at the opposing fans! After the match was over (I can't remember who won) there was one hell of a fight outside the stadium between the two sets of supporters.
I adored Glasgow though, and merely found it all great fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 05:20 AM

....And Liverpool march on...

A resurgent Newcastle at the weekend could be a defining moment. Liverpool simply have to win every game now, and Manky Citeh have to slip up (even a draw instead of a win will do).

Go, Redmen! Jurgen for PM!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 05:29 AM

At least the battle for the top spot remains alive. As for the bottom, I think Norwich are well and truly sunk and Watford too. I wonder if Liverpool's neighbours will make up the 3rd spot?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 06:14 AM

I hope so. I was a Burnley supporter when I was a lad. That was in the days of the great Jimmy Mac. Remember him?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 06:55 AM

No and a bit before my time by the looks of things. I've found the Wikipedia entry for him in case others are also interested.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Apr 22 - 07:06 AM

He was a true legend who played in the Burnley team that won the league in 1960. Well before the mighty Johann Cruyff made the style his own, Burnley played a form of Total Football that was beautiful to behold, a far cry from the somewhat gritty Burnley style of play of today!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 May 22 - 03:15 PM

Well congratulations to Liverpool on winning the FA cup, can't say I thought the match was scintillating in any way and I dislike penalty shoot-outs, I would much prefer a re-play.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 May 22 - 03:23 PM

Our club football should be regulated back to how it was - mostly locals in MEANINGFUL competition.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 May 22 - 03:36 PM

What is not meaningful about the FA cup, the oldest and we are lead to believe the most prestigious knock-out trophy in the whole of the football world. Won by many great teams over the 151 years it has been in existence.

Again congratulations to Liverpool.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 14 May 22 - 03:51 PM

A wealthy world X1 just beat another wealthy world X1, Raggytash - for most of those years you mention, it WAS mostly-locals v. mostly-locals.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 May 22 - 05:02 PM

Well that was a gritty game, not a classic by any means, but plenty seat of pants stuff. It was a pity that someone had to lose. Both teams have played sixty-plus matches this season and, well, the energy levels nosedived as the game went on. But when the guys get tired and start to make mistakes, the entertainment increases! Almost literally gladiatorial!

I think both sides have done the FA Cup a massive favour. It's been a bit of a Cinderella for a few years but I think they've resurrected it today. But sod all that. Liverpool won it and I'm over the moon, 'arry!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 15 May 22 - 01:33 AM

I thought of you Steve when they lifted up the Cup one after the other. I imagined you doing a little dance of joy.
It was a very hard, closely run game, and I never like it when it ends with penalty kicks - a bit too random. But it was indeed a cliffhanger and very entertaining.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 22 - 03:06 AM

Did you survive for Eurovision too, Steve?

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 May 22 - 05:52 AM

I did, with the help of a bottle-plus of the Morrisons Collapso (currently seven quid, Dave). The whole shebang added up to the sort of marathon telly-watch that I'm not used to. But hey, two things to take from the evening: we won the bloody cup, and I hate Graham f****** Norton more than ever (see Eurovision thread upstairs...)

We have a new legend, the Greek scouser, Kostas Tsimikas! His name will live forever, along with Bill Shankly (aka God), Sir Kenny, Roger Hunt, Ian Rush, Stevie G, Mo and Divock Origi!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 May 22 - 06:26 AM

Saw a cracking picture for you the other day, Steve, but can't remember where. A fat bloke wearing a Liverpool kit with the name 'No Salad' emblazoned on the back :-D

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 May 22 - 08:37 PM

That reminds me of that Italian food website, Vincenzo's Plate. You can buy a t-shirt from him that sez "no cream in carbonara" and another that sez "no pineapple on pizza!"

Anyways, we beat the Saints tonight even with a second-string team, which means that the Premier League goes down to the wire on Sunday afternoon. Liverpool beat Wolves and Manky Citeh only manage a draw (or lose), and the title is ours. What a comeback after being 14 points down in January. Let it be!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 22 - 07:54 PM

Along with nine million others, I watched the Euro '22 quarter-final between England and Spain. It was a wonderful match with both teams revealing strengths and weaknesses. Overall, Spain were unlucky to lose, I thought, and it was sad to see them eliminated. They were a far better watch than the English team. I shall definitely be watching the semi-final and final.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 22 Jul 22 - 04:58 AM

I've been watching the England games too (God, my wife thinks I'm sad!).

Yes Spain were good, but I was disappointed by their ready recourse to the 'dark arts', taking advantage of lenient refereeing to commit gratuitous fouls, cutting out potential attacks and generally breaking up play. (Something the Brazil men's team are very good at.)

The other games I've seen have been reasonably free of that sort of stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 30 Jul 22 - 07:30 PM

Great footie weekend! First, and delectably, Liverpool showed Man City how to perform superbly with well-integrated new players. Darwin Nunez came on as a sub and was devastating. On the other hand, the much-vaunted Haaland for Citeh was anonymous for the whole game and missed an absolute sitter. And tomorrow we have the womens' Euro final. Woohoo!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Aug 22 - 05:16 AM

I am going to see Bradford City Play Crew Alexandra on the 27th!

I shall keep you posted :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Aug 22 - 06:22 AM

Gosh, Dave, try not to get crushed in the melée at the turnstiles! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 09 Aug 22 - 07:49 AM

They think it's all over. It is now.

The Guardian: BBC ditches classified football results on Radio 5 live

"The BBC has marked the end of an era by discontinuing its classified football results service on 5 live, ending a British radio institution that has been broadcast since the 1950s.

The decision to drop the longrunning feature – in which all major English and Scottish matches were given equal treatment, often with a distinctive intonation – has led to suggestions that the BBC is prioritising Premier League football over the lower leagues."

I did notice this on Saturday while listening to BBC Radio5L.

What is the world coming to hey?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 09 Aug 22 - 09:13 AM

Ah! I can well remember as a small child taking down the scores off the radio so that my dad could check his football pools later. (He did Fixed Odds to a 'system' of his own devising and on balance made a small profit. He stopped doing it when they started taxing it, which made it uneconomic).

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 09 Aug 22 - 09:27 AM

Out in Norwich with my errant husband on Saturday, I bought him an England football shirt in the Nike shop to cheer him up. Norwich City FC were playing Wigan Althletic at Carrow Road nearby. (Drew 1 - 1) The roars from the supporters in the Barclay stand were deafening.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 11 Aug 22 - 09:30 AM

Norwich drew again, against Birmingham this time (Carabao Cup, 2 - 2)
"Come on you Yellows!"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 22 - 05:00 AM

I went to see Bradford City play Crewe Alexandra yesterday and it was really good. Sadly a nil/nil draw and not the goal fest that Liverpool achieved but exciting all the same. I may become a Bantams supporter!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 22 - 05:09 AM

I'm crowing silently here...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Aug 22 - 05:30 AM

I thought you may be cock a hoop

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Aug 22 - 06:06 AM

Mrs Steve thinks I may be a cock.

I'm over the moon, 'arry...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 29 Aug 22 - 02:00 AM

My husband mentioned Liverpool's win over Bournemouth 9 - 0 while we were walking around Sheringham yesterday. (We do meet up sometimes). He described it as "un grand massacre!" and thought it was very funny.
The Canaries play Birmingham tomorrow. Wish us luck!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Aug 22 - 01:27 PM

Go Wrexham.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Sep 22 - 05:16 PM

The New England Revolution plays the New York City FC on Sunday night,
could be a decisive game in the MLS playoffs.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Sep 22 - 09:59 AM

... and the US men's national team may be a long way from
playing finals at the FIFA World Cup,
but it's fun to watch them getting ready for a try (Washington Post).

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 04 Sep 22 - 10:18 AM

From the BBC

The magic of the Cup

As red cards go, they don't come any stranger - but sometimes nature calls.

In what might be an FA Cup first, a goalkeeper was sent off for "urinating in a hedge" during a match.

The keeper in question is Connor Maseko of Hampshire side Blackfield & Langley FC, who play in the ninth-tier Wessex League.

The incident occurred in the 76th minute of their 0-0 draw with Somerset side Shepton Mallet FC in Saturday's FA Cup first qualifying round tie.

"The ball went out for a goal kick," Blackfield & Langley FC co-manager Conor McCarthy told BBC Sport.

"He needed to go to the toilet so he went up against a hedge and their players started shouting saying 'what's he doing?' to the ref. The ref went up to him and decided to send him off.

"He (Maseko) protected himself. He was inside the hedge. Sometimes when you have to go you have to go.

"I was gobsmacked. I didn't expect that [sending-off].

"We're all pretty shocked by the decision."

At the time, a post on Shepton's Twitter account said: "Blackfield keeper is sent off for urinating in the hedge! Never seen it before."

The game will be replayed and Blackfield tweeted: "See you Tuesday evening (hopefully get plenty of toilet breaks en route)."

Shepton, tweeting about the the replay of 'urinate gate', added: "After an unusual red card in the first tie (possibly a first), we are looking for a match sponsor. Plumbers or portaloo companies, take advantage!"

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 22 - 12:38 PM

For the offence in question, one might have thought that a yellow card might have been more appropriate...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 05 Sep 22 - 03:21 AM

Norwich City beat Coventry last Saturday, and now we're top, and if this continues we might go 'up' again at the end of the season.
Husband proudly paraded in his Canaries strip in Morrisons at Riverside (beside Carrow Road football stadium) and so many people gave him the thumbs up. He kept calling out "Come on you Yellows!" to them in a strong French accent with a big grin. (We meet up every weekend to go shopping.) His entire family of brothers/cousins plus friends have been wearing their Norwich City strips in celebration in Abidjan! (He took a huge quantity out there a few years ago that he bought on a special offer from the Canaries shop in Norwich.)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 06 Sep 22 - 07:49 PM

Senoufou, your Norwich City Canaries have a ginger-haired American player who is being singled out in the reports on the team's victories.
They are saying that this youngster may end up on
the US Men's National Team for the FIFA World Cup this year.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 23 Sep 22 - 03:05 PM

Senoufou, how much does a Norwich football rattle cost these days?

What does £1,841 buy you at the Norwich City club shop?

"Liz Truss is facing questions over Foreign Office spending, including £1,841 at Norwich City's online shop during her time as foreign secretary.

Labour's shadow attorney general Emily Thornberry queried the use of Foreign Office expense cards, up 45% on last year, in a letter to the department.

She asked why officials had incurred a number of costs, including two payments to the then Premier League club.

The Foreign Office has been approached for comment.

The payments were made on two dates: £1,318 on 21 October and £523.50 on 21 March."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Sep 22 - 04:42 PM

Hard to believe that the FIFA World Cup in Qatar is almost upon us.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Sep 22 - 05:31 PM

I'm completely boycotting it.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 22 Oct 22 - 09:50 AM

1-0, 1-0, 1-0

Brian would have loved that!

GW - Forest born and bred.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Oct 22 - 10:47 AM

Yeah, that was somewhat incomprehensible, especially after last week's heroics against Manky Citeh...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 22 Oct 22 - 10:53 AM

Not really, Steve - 'Liverpool have never won in six Premier League away games against Nottingham Forest - the City Ground is the only ground the Reds have played at more than once in the competition and never won.' (Source: Talksport)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 22 Oct 22 - 01:06 PM

Forest were excellent value for their win.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Oct 22 - 03:06 PM

When I lived in Nottingham I used to watch Forest.I am delighted they won

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Rain Dog
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 02:50 AM

That Starmer eh? Is that one of the worst own goals?

We thought it was all over.

Is it now?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 05:52 AM

Well done for getting this thread back! The age-refresh thingie wouldn't let me go back far enough (I've just thought of another way of doing it, but, as you've already done it....)

Anyway, it gives me one more opportunity to say what can't be said often enough, viz:


LIVERPOOL 7 MANCHESTER UNITED 0


Thank you....

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Mar 23 - 06:05 AM

And just to defend my deliberate decision to announce the result in the wrong thread, let me just remind you:

"'Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.'

(Not me saying that as you might be thinking, but the great Bill Shankly, aka God)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: keberoxu
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 10:33 AM

Nothing wrong with bringing this thread back, nothing at all.
After all, the FIFA World Cup is concluded
with Lionel Messi's triumph,
and its accompanying Mudcat thread.
And after the World Cup,
the sport goes on.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 10:59 AM

Purely in the interests of impartiality, of course ... Liverpool lost to Bournemouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 11:02 AM

That was indeed diabolical. Now what we need is a four-goal rout of Real Madrid. We did it against Barca...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: G-Force
Date: 12 Mar 23 - 11:23 AM

Mind you, two of the three teams I follow (the Bees and the Blades) lost yesterday, so I'm living in a glass house here.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 May 23 - 05:08 PM

Well, that there Pet Gladiola has bin an gon an dun it again

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 May 23 - 05:54 PM

He's a brilliant manager. He has brilliant players. He has brilliant bottomless oil money. Those regimes are great, aren't they?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 21 May 23 - 06:48 PM

Can't be easy supporting a mid-table team.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 23 - 05:45 AM

Hmm. Well my "mid-table team" is just one place and three points behind your outfit with a goal difference seventeen better than yours. And I seem to recall that we humiliated you 7-0 a little while ago... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Donuel
Date: 22 May 23 - 07:07 PM

The major teams in England are owned by Americans who have seen the business of Soccer as a massive profit opportunity. Americans now own 50% of current English Premier League Teams which include: Arsenal, Aston Villa, Bournemouth, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Fulham, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester United, and West Ham. So the thread title is only half true.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 May 23 - 07:20 PM

The thread title refers to a sport that is completely different to the US game. As ever, you simply don't understand. This is a thread in which you are extremely unlikely to be able to make a sensible contribution. But, as it's a free country, be my guest.