BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 03:53 PM

Lol good one Mike but I gotta go with the liverpool team

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Feb 18 - 05:48 PM

You are a wise man of exquisite good taste, Dan!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 02:26 PM

Hi Dan

When you gotta go you gotta go. But Liverpool..???

Seriously I am pleased to hear that you are interested in our game and in supporting Liverpool you have chosen well.

Regards Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 03:52 PM

Maybe Dan has chosen well MikeL but for crying out loud Steve is a Mancunian, supporting Liverpool for him is tantamount to high treason.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Feb 18 - 04:53 PM

I ask you, Raggytash, is Radcliffe "Mancunian?"

Damned fine show from Spurs tonight, wot I have just finished watching. I thought they were going to be toast after that first ten minutes. Instead, they have two away goals against Juve. What's not to like!

Now for Porto tomorrow night...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 06:23 AM

Hi Raggy

Steve is anything he feels he wants to be .....lol When I was young Radcliffe was certainly in Manchester,....now I have no Idea where it is; but it sure as hell is not in Liverpool.

I think Steve may be like my Sister -in-law. She supports Liverpool just to be able to argue with us....!!!

I will be watching Liverpool tonight. and what's more I will be shouting for them. Last night I was shouting for Man City. I want all English teams to do well in Europe.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 01:35 PM

I left Radcliffe when I was 18, though my mum and dad are both soldiering on up there, miraculously! I hardly ever went to Manchester, except to catch a bus from Victoria or a train from Piccadilly, and I wouldn't be able to find my way round the place at all. We did all our shopping in Bury or Bolton and I went to school in Bolton, at Thornleigh. I don't associate myself with Manchester at all. I'm freelance!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 04:53 PM

I will not gloat. Porto 0 Liverpool 5.


Sod it.


GloatgloatgloatgloatgloatgloatgloatgloatGLOATGLOATBLOODYGLOAT...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 09:11 PM

Dammit, it weren't Victoria, were it. That's where the metro goes to from Bury. It were Chorlton Street where t'buses to London went from. Tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 10:32 PM

Yup sorry but I did love that liverpool score
5 is a good number :)

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 14 Feb 18 - 10:44 PM

Mo has a cannon for a foot.. He has 30 or so goals already this season.. Amazing

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 11:08 AM

Hi Steve

Congrats on fine win. Mo must be one of the best signings ever. This guy sniffs out chances and usually takes them. Also creates goals as well. He possesses that amazing change of pace - his speed off the mark makes it very difficult to stop him.

Sane had a great game too.

I watched the game and to be honest it was a one way game which takes away the interest. But Hey Liverpool can only play what is put against them.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 03:25 PM

What is your thoughts on the potential signing of Alisson by liverpool.. That is one hell of a lot of money... He is great but to me it breaks the bank. What will our star players want and can we keep them if they pay that price

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Feb 18 - 04:24 PM

I have to concede that Liverpool were magnificent last night, all credit to them for a wonderful display.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 08:07 AM

Mignolet's days are numbered. Karius has stepped up to the plate but Klopp wants to strengthen all aspects of the back end, if you take my meaning. Virgil is looking commanding but he isn't yet up to speed, either in terms of fitting the Klopp philosophy or getting over his spate of injuries, but I reckon he's going to be the darling of Anfield (one of!) As for Alisson, I don't think Liverpool need to be spending £70 million on a goalkeeper just now and I don't think Klopp does either. The trouble is that Roma felt stung by giving Salah to Liverpool for what turned out to be a bargain-basement price and they won't be inclined to repeat that exercise with Alisson.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 09:39 AM

Steve.. I agree completely

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 09:46 AM

Well it's the FA Cup 5th round this weekend, Manchester United away to Huddersfield .............. who are Liverpool playing?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Feb 18 - 04:47 PM

Sounds boring...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 05:10 AM

Lukaku's display yesterday against Huddersfield was superb, apart from his two goals he worked tirelessly for the team.

This, I believe, sets him apart from Pogba who I consider to be lazy, indolent and uninterested in the outcome of matches.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 06:30 AM

Hi Raggy

I agree with your comments. This was not a boring game !!! After Lucacu's first goal after only 3 minutes it was a game of 2 halves it was end to end with Huddersfield looking dangerous and had a couple o good chances that they did not take. Mouinho's plan was obviously to let Huddersfield come to them and hit them on the counter-attack. It worked well and in the second half after Lucacu's excellent second goal, assisted by a brilliant run and pass by Sanchez they were on top and stayed that way. Job Done.

Lots of time spent over Mata's "Goal" that turned out after 8.5 minutes being taken for VAR to decide. to have been offside. This must be improved.

As for Pogba, You are right he is not delivering. I think the latest issues are since Sanchez joined. Pogba is now not " top Boy" and doesn't like it. There is no doubt he his a great player but only on his terms. Alex Ferguson got rid of him because "of his attitude" and in the current situation if Fergie was there I have no doubt Pogba would be told to shut up and get on with it. Or he would be up the road. Fergie also had some problems with David Beckham and he sat him on the bench for several matches. He also cleared out Jap Stamm and Roy Keane two of his best players.

It will be interesting to watch how Mourinho deals with it. No Man is bigger than the team.

Lots not to be bored about Steve.....LoL

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:42 AM

Except that United should have won 8-0.

The goal should have been given. Any ref/linesperson giving that without VAR would have attracted no comment whatsoever. The attacker must always have the benefit of the doubt in very close calls. They'll be telling us next that someone or other wouldn't have been offside if only he'd trimmed his nose hair before the game. If we really must have this kind of tech we should reserve it for judging whether the ball has gone over the line or not. And not a wavy line either! Yes there's big money in the game and a wrong offside call can cost a club millions. I don't give a monkeys. Football is a flowing game played and refereed by human beings. That's the way it should stay.

I'd like to see a clampdown on players stealing ten yards or more at throw-ins. I'd also like to see a five-second limit on how long the thrower can hold the ball. Award the throw to the other side. And the time limit on goalkeepers is routinely not observed. Goalies are allowed to hold the ball, including bouncing it, etc., for six seconds only and are allowed to take only four steps. I'd like to see that penalised by the award of a corner kick. We're getting good on unsporting behaviour such as diving. Time-wasting, just as unsporting, is no longer the ploy it used to be but there is still scope to make the game even better at what it should be, free-flowing and a celebration of skill and tactics. One more thing. No subs allowed after the 80th minute except for an injury after which the victim clearly can't carry on (to not include play-actors - ref's call). There isn't a single reason on earth for making multiple subs during added time. Bloody annoying and bloody unsporting.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 07:56 AM

The VAR in Rugby Union is normally far quicker than the debacle at Huddersfield yesterday, it may possibly take time for Football to get up to speed.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 09:41 AM

Hi Raggy

Or they could use the Rugby League method which is fast and shows the spectators what the cameras are seeing so they are not hanging in total
ignorance of what is going on.

cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 09:52 AM

Hi Steve

Thanks for your thoughts on improving the game. I agree with most of your comments. ( but not the 8-0 one !!!)

I know that football is a contact sport but we should cut all the arm wrestling and shirt pulling and bring back the shoulder to shoulder limitation on contact. Late I see more rugby tackles than at Twickenham.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 10:34 AM

Agreed. They are already illegal, as with goalkeepers' and throw-in transgressions. I suppose there's a balance between keeping the rules and keeping the game moving and that *minor* transgressions can be overlooked as long as the ref is seen to be balancing things out over the game as a whole. In the Liverpool-Spurs game I saw three blatant fouls on Liverpool players within a few minutes of each other go unpunished in the first half (so did Klopp, who commented on them). Then the ref gives Spurs two soft penalties, arguably not penalties at all. Yeah, right...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Senoufou
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:53 AM

We were outside Carrow Road stadium in Norwich walking across to the supermarket there, when an enormous ROAR went up. Tim Klose (Norwich City) had equalised against Ipswich Town in the last few seconds of extra time! Final score 1 - 1.

We smiled because scores of Police attended, and they had nothing to do, so many of them came into the supermarket to get a snack. Nice to see all the fans coming out calmly (obviously the odd taunts etc, but nothing dire) and with no trouble, in spite of these two teams being old enemies. I think the Police were bored stiff, but that's better than fights.
My husband was sad, as he'd chosen to wear his thick jacket not his Norwich City strip, but at least he was sporting his woolly Norwich City hat.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: olddude
Date: 18 Feb 18 - 11:57 PM

I have seen more cheap shots and shirt pulling this year by every team without penalty.. No great at all they got to fix it

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 04:49 PM

Eh up!!!!

Wigan beat Manchester City, what a result !!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Feb 18 - 07:07 PM

Delph played dirty in the first half. I know that that shouldn't influence the giving of a straight red but in any case I though that the tackle richly deserved it. The ref's indecision was a very disturbing moment. He should explain himself really. Wigan gave us the best display of serial shot-blocking I've ever seen towards the end. Spectacular! Do City need a sheikh-up?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:46 AM

Hi

The games this week have been crackers . Wigan v Man City kept me entertained right through the game. I thought the sending off correct. I think the ref changed from Yellow to Red because of remarks and behaviour by City players. But the ref needs to confirm this. When Will Grigg scored I nearly knocked my pint over. Great game and result for football.

Watched Chelsea v Barcelona - Again a good match to watch. Barcelona were lucky when the Chelsea defence made a mistake letting in Messie to score. Otherwise Messie was quiet. That away goal may end up priceless for Barcelona.

Booked my seat for United's game tonight with Seville. Hope this keeps up the standard of the earlier games.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 02:13 PM

Chelsea did show guts last night but you can't give that deadly duo a single inch. I'd have Willian in my team any day. Hope the poor chap's face is all right after all that blood streaming from it. Now for Man U getting a thrashing from Seville. Naturally, I didn't want Sevilla to get the better of Liverpool, but, as an Indalophile (a lover of Andalucia), I'd love to see them giving the reds a slap tonight. That's balance, you see. I'll be watching!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Feb 18 - 06:46 PM

How bloody BORING was that. It was clear after fifteen minutes that there was going to be no score. Saw better games at t'Gigg in the sixties when Bury were in Division 2. Totally uninspiring. Ok, job done, but where was the fun? Where was the entertainment? Lukaku shite, Pogba anonymous, Sanchez shite. Fer chrissake. If I were a Man U fan (heaven forfend - I'd rather hack off the family jewels with a rusty machete), I'd be questioning my own sanity right now. I hope Sevilla can find that edge they so sorely lacked tonight when they come to the Theatre of Dreams. The world would be a better place without Man U. And I'm not biased, honest!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:14 AM

Hi Steve

Well we managed to do something Liverpool could,t !!! Sevilla are well known as a difficult team to beat on their own ground.

Football these days is no for fun. You of all people should know that.

Mourinho had obviously set up a team to get a result and they achieved that. Admitted it wasn't pretty. But like you say job done.

It was a World class performance by David de Gea. I don't think that Lucacu or Sanchez deserve you criticism. I agree with your Pogba comment. He came off the bench and clearly did not want to play. At one point he was laughing and discussing his hair do with one of the opposition as they were taking a corner. I thing his days are numbered. Most United fans hope this can be soon.

I also watched Liverpool v Man United under 19s in the afternoon. Liverpool won 2-0 in a good game. The interesting thing to me was that Liverpool played with the same tactics as the first team. Fast moving attacking play with strong defensive tactics.....very interesting.

Cheers

Mike

Ps please don't harm the crown jewels.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:26 AM

Well Liverpool drew twice and put five last their goalie so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, Mike. And if football isn't for the entertainment of supporters, well I don't know what. Last night's game was played by two very uninspiring sides, United without firepower and Sevilla scared stiff of conceding an away goal. It wasn't exactly a joy to watch, was it?

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:41 AM

This was one comment (out of nearly a thousand) on the Guardian website under the match report. I couldn't agree more. Man U are wasting some amazing talent under Mourino. The best thing long-term would be for Man U to win nothing this season then they could get rid of him.

Juan Mata was fantastic at Chelsea, player of the season a few times. Pogba was one of world football most desired midfielders at Juve. Sanchez world class at times at Arsenal. Martial and Rashford 2 of the games most promising young talents, full of pace.
Only Mourinho could blend all this talent and pace into dull negative pedestrian dross.
No excuses about budgets or recruitment policy. He has turned excellent attacking players into a defensive unit totally devoid of any confidence.
United were truly terrible last night. You can dress it up anyway you want but they were awful. Spurs Liverpool and man city also played away games last week and the difference is staggering. Forward thinking managers who play football to get results but also entertain the masses.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 09:42 AM

Yes I can spell Mourinho!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 02:50 PM

Hi Steve

I was referring to the game where Liverpool lost 0-3 to Seville.

I agree with some of your comments. I do not like the style of football that Mourinho is using this season. In fact no manager since Fergie has got United to play the way they did. In fairness to Mourinho he inherited a poor side. Moyes and Van Gaal were responsible for turning a League winning side into a very ordinary team.

However I believe that the modern day fans want results. They don't care how they get them.

I believe it is the younger fans that have this attitude and they are not prepared to wait and let the Managers do their jobs.

You should appreciate this as Liverpool have gone through a similar process.

They look as though they are through the drought and are building a team to take on the best in Europe and The World.

It annoys me to see United playing as they are but I have to hope that someone will see sense and has the necessary skills and experience to change it all.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 22 Feb 18 - 06:18 PM

Well it won't be Mourinho, that's for sure. And I think you're looking at Fergie's tenure, especially in the later years, through rose-coloured specs. "Winning ugly" was a well-known Man U mantra under him. I'd ten times rather watch Liverpool's amazing firepower, coupled with dodgy defence and goalie, keeping me on the edge of me seat. Can't remember the last time United raised a bead of sweat on me brow.

I assume you are referring to the Europa League final two years ago. The score was 1-3, not 0-3. Both Liverpool and Sevilla are now very different teams.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:03 AM

Hi Steve

Yes you are right it was 3-1; apologies.

United under Fergie at their best were a very attractive and exciting team to watch. Especially in injury time !! ( Fergie Time)

I rember when they played ( I think it was) Aston Villa at Villa. They were losing heavily and finished winning 6-4.

A Pundit asked Fergie about his defence weakness. Fergie replied " I am not worried about it. We have the team to beat any team regardless how many they score.

One of today's problems IMHO is that we have too many of Fergies team not only still on the books but playing regularly. We need new blood and a fresh Philosophy.

But to me and thousands like me will still remain faithful to The Red Devils.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 08:13 AM

Flippin, 'eck, Mike, the only time there was a 4-6 scoreline between Villa and United was in 1948! I wasn't even a twinkle in me dad's eye then!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 02:55 PM

Hi Steve

Heck Steve you are just a young whippersnapper. I actually remember that game. Of course this was way before Fergie.

In those days my dad used watch all United's games. This was before sports came to TV.    On a Saturday evening my brother and I sat and listened to the football results on the radio with my mother.She used to make our teas but she never started to cook my dad's tea until she heard how United had gone on. If they hadn't won she didn't cook it because he used to go in the pub if they lost. We never saw him until we got up on Sunday mornings.

Tough times in those days.

United play Chelsea this week - the Pundits have forecast a 1-1 draw.

That would be a good result for you.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 18 - 05:09 PM

Me dad worked at Pendleton Burtons, then at the Stretford Road branch, where he was the shop manager. Every Saturday night he'd bring the Football Pink home. It never ceased to amaze me that we'd get match reports for both City and United within three-quarters of an hour of the final whistle. The front page alternated between the two! There were two reporters, one being the estimable David Meek and the other whose name I can't recall, who did the reports. The paper was pretty rough and ready to say the least, and there were always a few errors. My favourite was "...and then Charlton shit hard into the back of the net..."

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 08:44 AM

Hi Steve

I remember the " Pink". For a period I used to deliver Daily papers and part of that was delivering the Pink on a Saturday evening. It was so popular that I used to take two bags....one for delivering to houses that ordered it and the other was for people who would stop me and ask for a copy. I didn't mind cos I got quite a few tips.

Cheers

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 18 - 09:08 PM

Another three added to our goal difference, Mike! The game wasn't on telly anywhere, and anyway I had to spend the afternoon spreading tons of gravel on my drive. But I'll be watching the Man U/Chelsea game...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: MikeL2
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:25 AM

Hi Steve

Yes Liverpool continue their march to the top. They have added consistency to their performances which has let them down on occasions.

I watched it on a streaming device of my No 1 son. This performance was exciting and every man in the side played his part. Outstanding for me was Full Back Robertson who was fantastic. He plays like an attacking wing forward driving forward with pace and feeds his 3 hungry strikers. He still manages to defend when required.

Oxade Chamberlain looked good and is now slotting in seamlessly into the Liverpool team.

I think it is amazing how they are playing; especially since they lost their "main man" . I think they are playing even better without him.

I am going into today's game United v Chelsea with trepidation , there is trouble in the camp and it looks to me like the problems Chelsea had with Mourinho.

Fingers Crossed.

Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 06:38 AM

Hi Mike. I couldn't find the match anywhere - is your streaming solution cloak-and-dagger or are you going to tell me about it!? ;-). Anyway, I had to get into the garden and spread a ton or two of gravel on me drive. Mrs Steve would NOT have appreciated my postponing the task to watch footie on the telly, leaving a big ugly bulk bag in full view from the house for yet another day. Saw the highlights on MOTD and Liverpool were looking good. Robertson looks like the find of the season, apart from Mo, of course. Virgil doesn't do the spectacular but his commanding presence seems to be settling the defence, and Bobby Firmino has become a real team man. I'll be watching on Sky this afternoon. Naturally, I'll be hoping for a draw. Make it exciting as you like as long as it's a draw! I like the way Liverpool are opening up a good goal difference advantage over some of the top-four challengers. Could come in handy at the bitter end...

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 07:18 AM

Steve, There's an APP named Mobdro which you can get for androids etc. If you download it you can access dozens of channels, news, sports, film etc etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 11:32 AM

Lukaku paid the rent, Pogba looked like he was worth ten million, Sanchez was complete rubbish and Matic is a dirty bugger. Job done. Yawn. Second best of the three possible outcomes for Liverpool!

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 12:24 PM

Now I'm being bored by the League Cup Final.

Subject: RE: BS: Football (not the U.S. kind)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 18 - 02:05 PM

Wenger has to go. That was terrible to watch.