BS: Foul Mouthed trump!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Thompson
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 11:45 AM

So Iains reckons it's not racist to refer to some countries as shitholes - because the people there do not have the expensive (socialised) education that people from wealthy Scandinavian countries do?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: meself
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 12:09 PM

Iains' posts on this thread are what is called, 'nuanced'. They do not fall neatly into the polarised outlook.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 12:11 PM

A shithole is an objective description of a particular kind of socio-economic / cultural location.

My home town in South West England is a classic Shithole.

Are even commited left wing anti-racists not allowed to call certain locations on this planet shitholes,
for fear of risking knee-jerk accusations of racism...???

Like it or not, oversensitive to sweary words - or not,
'shithole' is a very powerful description of an intolerable place for it's inhabitants to live and grow up in.

Iains knows I am no friend or fellow traveller of his, but in this thread I commend the general intelligence and quality of his latest posts,
and wish he would maintain this standard throughout his mudcat contributions.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 12:16 PM

Well, Punk - what you need to do is view tRUMP's spew in light of past practice and in context with the rest of his spew.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 12:20 PM

ooops.. i just noticed a clumsy ambiguity in what I just posted..

Sorry, I did not mean to suggest Iains is a "commited left wing anti-racist"..

I omitted "commited left wing anti-racists, like myself and my punky enlightened peers"...

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 12:24 PM

Greg - it's a given i regard Trump as an evil arsehole [take that as my default position],
but I was only referring to Iains in this instance...

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 12:50 PM

Sorry- my mistake. Cheers!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: peteglasgow
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 01:13 PM

maybe it just isn't reaching the news in the UK but i have no idea what the democrats there are saying - or even who leading democrats are these days. there is no point in throwing any more insults at trump - we all know what he is. but the republican party who support him? wtf are they doing, do they have no sense of decency? do they not care what happens to their country?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: meself
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 01:56 PM

Well ... I'm afraid, for most of them, the answers are 'no' and 'no'.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 02:04 PM

Donuel. To set the record straight I started my career with a Canadian mining company mainly prospecting in Snowdonia North Wales. I then did my serious training in the US of A in sunny Dallas, Texas, before being turned loose in SE Asia. Not colonial but neocolonial companies for the most part. For some these distinctions are important, for those unfortunates at the bottom of the heap there is little to distinuish between the two. They are still shat on big time. It is a shame that most posting here have no real appreciation of the thoroughly miserable existence of many of these people. Documentaries or a 30 second soundbite on CNN etc. cannot even begin to paint a picture of the realities and the sheer awfulness of such deprivation. The average westerner is so cocooned and pampered that their life expectancy in such an environment would probably be measured in weeks. Deli belly in the first couple of days and accelerating downhill from there onwards. No access to clean water, medicines and desperate poverty, with many suffering from malaria, in places Bilharzia and other worm infestations, desperate infant mortality numbers apart from the litter of war in places like Angola. Driving the same road for months and then to find you have been driving over mines uncovered after severe rain further hammers home the point that some places are simply horrible. To further add to the misery malnutrition is rampant and in the Sahel especially, famine is always just around the corner.
   I find it extremely worrying that modern life in the west is so reliant on a "just in time" delivery model especially as so called strategic reserves in the UK were apparently run down decades ago.
I am purposely restricting myself to Afica, recent happenings in the middle east and not so recent happenings in Indonesia are a complex tale of further misery.
The system has no resilience. I hope we never have to determine if the saying 'we are only 7 meals from anarchy' has any truth to it. Even the knowledge displayed in the TV series 'The good Life' has had another generation to decay and the accumulated wisdom of John Seymour's generation is known to a very small aged minority. If our system ever sustains a severe shock I am afraid most will become history and the survivors will give a whole new meaning to the term "sorry-arsed".

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 02:14 PM

Pete, here's an aggregating link to a variety of responses, Democrat and Republican.

Reactions to Trump's "shithole" remarks

As you can imagine, Democratic reactions range from outrage to horror.

Some Republicans have expressed their revulsion, others have disassociated themselves without condemning the remarks, some have hedged, others have tried to play down the incident. I think the most widespread reaction is a fervent wish for it to go away.

But judge for yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 02:31 PM

From: Donuel - PM
Date: 12 Jan 18 - 05:11
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. THIS HAS BEEN A TEST OF THE EMERGENCY BROADCAST NETWORK...IF THIS HAD BEEN AN ACTUAL APOLOGY BY TRUMP YOU WOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO TUNE TO YOUR LOCAL BROADCASTS.
"I am sorry, that remark was inappropriate, I am indeed sorry but it was accurate" IF THIS HAD BEEN AN ACTUAL APOLOGY BY TRUMP YOU WOULD BE INSTRUCTED TO TUNE TO YOUR LOCAL BROADCASTS.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 02:57 PM

Here's a New York Times collection of various Republican responses, not as varied, but more accessible.

List of Republican responses

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 04:32 PM

Republicans are spinning the s hole remarks as salty.
How do they know?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 05:24 PM

I see that the African Union (representing all 55 countries in the continent), the UN and even the Vatican have all condemned Trump's remarks as racist and insulting etc.

I agree with Iains that most people in the West haven't a clue as to the appalling lives people in the so-called Third World lead. They aren't just poor: many are dying on their feet and suffer daily, with disease, parasites, malnutrition, disgusting water and sanitation arrangements, untreated injuries etc etc. I have seen this myself, and my husband has lived it, in his early life. But to declare they live in a shit hole is cruel, incredibly rude and very very regrettable.

As to African immigrants being problematic, in UK my husband had to jump through hoops to receive his marriage visa all those years ago.
Interestingly, where he works he has seen many young (white) people come to join their cleaning team and quit after a couple of days, saying it's too boring, too hard or they can't get up early enough to show up on time. But he has never ever let the school down, and they all absolutely treasure him (so they tell me!)

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: meself
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 06:14 PM

A person with a shred of decency would simply say, "I'm sorry; I shouldn't have said that."

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 07:40 PM

Simply put..

I'd suggest "shithole" is an objective robust descriptive word..

unless mouthed as a sneering perjorative term by a rich white racist fukwit...

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: wysiwyg
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 07:59 PM

Dunno if it's been said here already, but the issue here is not the crudity. It's the racism it was used to express, and the policies flowing from that which exemplify Systemic Racism.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 13 Jan 18 - 08:22 PM

"Dunno if it's been said here already, but the issue here is not the crudity. It's the racism it was used to express, and the policies flowing from that which exemplify Systemic Racism."

It's been in the background but insufficiently stressed, I feel, that Trump was employing this language in suggesting a return to US 1920-1965 policies limiting immigration essentially to northern Europeans (70% from England, Ireland, and Germany alone).

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 03:58 AM

A view from the trenches:


https://www.blacklistednews.com/Trump_and_his_sh%2Athole_remark%3A_the_story_nobody_is_talking_about/62931/0/38/38/Y/M.html

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Stu
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 04:51 AM

So Iains post above is part of the reason why I haven't posted to Mudcat for the last few weeks. The link in Iain's post is to an article on a right-wing website, written by a man called John Rappoport, a right-wing conspiracy theorist wanker who posts all sort of idiotic nonsense on his website: https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/trump-and-his-shthole-remark-the-story-nobody-is-talking-about/

Iain's article is as foul a piece of racism and misrepresentation as it's possible to get; the sort of vicious, spiteful bile that fans the flames of hatred and promotes the agenda of those who wish rule based on their twisted beliefs about race and the innate superiority of themselves and the pedlars of this inaccurate nastiness, the likes of Farage and Trump. These people are just nasty. Iains is a nasty piece of work.

In recent months this forum has increasingly given voice to the likes of Iain's, they have free reign to peddle this filth without challenge from the mods. This is of course the way that society is going, but letting this sort of link be posted is not only unacceptable, it shows how far standards have fallen on Mudcat. There is no debate anymore, only an echo chamber for those provoked into apoplectic anger by the likes of Iains, who obviously gets his yah-yahs from raging people up.

It's wearing to be exposed to the likes if Iains and his ilk; their wilful and vicious provocations make every thread a war zone, rob any nuance from the discussion and encourage fractiousness and anxiety. I'm done with this shit, I don't want to spend my time with racists c*nts like Iains, and if the mods had any mettle they'd ban his sort from the forum for posting this crap. They're turning the world into a shithole of their making, and trying to drag us all down . The fact Iains et al can link to appalling, nasty and inaccurate crap like that without fear of being sanctioned tells us everything we need to know about how their plan is working.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 05:55 AM

I suppose you would regard "calling a spade a spade" a racist statement.
Your problem is you live in a cocoon, carefully fed a massaged narrative concerning events outside your own country.
Get out, travel around and give me a synonym for shithole that does not upset your sensibilities.
You are a prime example of a snowflake isolated from reality in your comfortable western lifestyle. No doubt you would be the first to whine should your local supermarket run out of basics. Go take a hike for a few months around a third world country where corpses may lie by the side of the road for days, go see firsthand what is being discussed, go look at all the young kids with no future, eyes crawling with flies, dressed in rags,if anything at all and wondering if they will eat anything that day. Go inspect the slums created by people forced from the land, go look at a river where they take water for drinking, wash clothes and defecate all within a stones throw of one another.
   I suspect you only read the opening and carefully ignored all the negative prefixes. It seems a pretty accurate summary to me.
What firsthand experience do you have?
Seems to me it paints a reasonably accurate portrayal of those unfortunates at the bottom of the heap. I think it could go a lot further on the politics of how the present situation arose in these countries but in many cases this would mean accepting that westerners(mainly CIA) have engineered regime change here there and everywhere. These changes have been largely to benefit globalism, increase big business profits all at the expense of the little people. Of course watching TV, driving around, using the latest electronic gadgets has nothing to do with the sorry situation in countries thousands of miles away has it. The fact that you pay a diminished price for these western toys at the expense of others peoples quality of life, if not literally their lives in some cases, is of no concern to you. You are happy to accept all the benefits but have no concept of the consequences and zero conscience. You need to wise up to this interconnected world.
Your actions have consequences!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 06:12 AM

Well said Iains.
Unless one has travelled and seen for oneself the deprivation in, say, Africa, one can't comment on what sort of countries are found there.
Iains has had much experience, and to my mind is NOT racist. On the contrary, he comes across as compassionate and pitying of the sufferers he has seen.

But I do agree that 'discussions' on here sometimes descend to terrible rudeness, name-calling and vituperous nastiness. That's why I retreated for a time, as it was very upsetting. I'm now back and trying to skirt round any of this, but here I go, wading in again. I'm going to get a tin hat and wear it when posting on Mudcat...

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Stu
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 07:31 AM

:Your problem is you live in a cocoon, carefully fed a massaged narrative concerning events outside your own count"

You know nothing about me, don't know where I've been or what I've seen.

I know I've spent 18 years on this forum and know a troll when I see one, and you are one Iains. Not since Martin Gibson has there been such a shameless poltroon. You post that crap to justify racism and then feign sophistication and insight when called out on it. You're talking shit and can't disguise that, you posted nastiness disguised and you are still talking it up.


"Unless one has travelled and seen for oneself the deprivation in, say, Africa, one can't comment on what sort of countries are found there."

Ridiculous argument; you have to have been to Mars to comment on the chemical composition of the Martian soil? Have to have travelled to the Mesozoic to be able to comment on the skin colouration of a dinosaur? The only way to be able to review and interpret evidence is to gather it first hand? You live by that rule do you? How the fuck do you know the moon isn't made of cheese?

The countries Trump insulted are full of wonderful, resourceful and intelligent people who are forging a new future out from under the colonial jackboot; the same jackboot that produces the sort of shite that Rappoport wrote in Iain's link, poorly constructed posts reeking of condescension and white superiority. The very idea that some idiot right-wing journo in the US understands the needs of the people in these countries and is telling them in such a manner is staggeringly arrogant; that's white entitlement right there. Of course there are massive problems, but saying these countries are shitholes and then supporting that is disingenuous, insulting, ignorant and racist. I'll take my cue from those Trump and Iains insult, as the people from those countries are not so chuffed to hear them described as shitholes. Read the article again. Understand the subtext.

Let these people win or thunder against them. Support posts linking to that sort of nastiness and you become part of the problem, abandoning reason and decency to kowtow to someone who only wants to drive division and hatred.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 08:45 AM

No, Stu, one doesn't HAVE to have visited these countries, but if one HAS, surely one is in a better position to understand them and to express opinions about them?
I am well aware thank you that African countries have 'wonderful, resourceful and intelligent people' - I am married to one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jackaroodave
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 08:57 AM

Ians, I'm sorry, but I can't quite follow your reasoning: You seem to feel that if we leftist snowflakes were exposed to the massive suffering in Africa and Asia, and if we realized it was the product of global turbocapitalism, facilitated by CIA assassinations and the like, the scales would fall from our eyes and we would embrace the right-wing position of yourself and Jon Rappoport.

Frankly, this does not seem likely: There must be some missing steps that people can mentally supply who are familiar with your arguments. I'm not, so help me out here.

As I read the Rappoport piece, one point struck me as anomalous. He addresses the suffering Africans thus:

"You do care about medical teams that sweep through the neighborhood and vaccinate everyone, because you?ve seen adults and children die after the shots."

Looking around, I find that Rappoport believes, among other interesting things, that diseases are caused not by germs, but instead--not in addition--by the inability of a weakened body to resist them. In particular, AIDS is not caused by HIV, but rather by "viral inhibitors like AZT."

Is this part of the overall program as well?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 09:00 AM

Stu and Iains, I suspect you have both been fooled by a website carefully designed to make you both react the way you have, but for different reasons !

Stu you are correct I do not know anything about you. A human bio would aid in that. That goes for Iains too.

Iains, you have been traumatized in ways no one in England and USA have. Of course we have been traumatized in different ways in our respective countries. If you say 'I am not a racist but'..."the bodies are not picked up for days", you might sound racist .
In the US, when the police kill and the bodies are not picked up for hours, there are riots. My point is your trauma leads you to think others have not had similar experiences to you. Maybe we are under informed, but if you fall for blacklisted news, so are you.

Stu your point is well taken but despite your objections a free flow of information is better than censorship that confuses and obfuscates facts further.

On his birthday try speaking to each other in terms MLK would understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 10:26 AM

I don't read Iain's & other similar mudcatter's links...

It's that simple and easy...

I refuse to add to the click count of what are 99% certain to be far right 'news' and 'research' websites...

But I still prefer how Iains is participating in this thread over his more usual combative abusive posts...

..though he is starting to lapse into his limited vocab arsenal.. eg "snowflakes"...

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 12:30 PM

Well, when the site is Russian made and financed it isn't exactly a right wing website is it. It is a psycho-social discord machine.

As a hypnotist it became my mission to prevent people, on my own, from falling for this gobbledygook from both sides all through the cold war. It is the same old technique using new technology today. Perhaps clear insight can not be taught.

'They'
They like the sting
They believe rot that makes truth spoil
and lies that makes their red blood boil.
They're not listening,
they're not listening still.
I guess they never will

"The Lomax Bros."

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 02:00 PM

It's a psycho-social discord machine operating in aid of right-wing fuckwitism.

When did the KGB become champions of freedom * democracy (unless you're tRUMP?)

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 03:48 PM

" If you say 'I am not a racist but'..."the bodies are not picked up for days", you might sound racist .
In the US, when the police kill and the bodies are not picked up for hours, there are riots."

This rather shows the difference between Africa and the US. Stating the reality is hardly racist. It is a different world in places. The story was: touch the body and it is your responsibility and COST. Harsh but that is the way it goes. apocryphal? I do not know.
Life and corpses are regarded differently elsewhere. A true story.
I was on a boat in Indonesian waters and we found a corpse floating in the water. Eyes were pecked out,it was bloated, had been dead a while.
We radioed an Indonesian naval vessel expecting them to fish it out of the water. As they came close they revved up clean over the body and turned it into instant fishbait. I don't recall anyone rioting over that event!

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 04:02 PM

Jackaroodave. The two medical items you highlight I share your reservations.
To respond to your initial question is more straightforward. The situation in Africa is what it is. The statistics for poverty stricken countries are that out of 50, 34 are in Africa. The explanation I gave for this was pretty much a gross simplification referring to essentially post WW2. Since this time it is hard to pinpoint an African country that has not had dislocations by war or regime change in addition to the traumas of decolonisation. You can either accept that as a statement or refute it. How you make the jump from outlining cause and effect to a given political stance escapes me. There are a multitude of reasons to explain why so many African countries are dysfunctional the paper outlined some of them.
Like any other country all African countries have an educated elite, but in the case of Africa the numbers are very small and hardly egalitarian, and they inevitably are the most mobile.
   Unlike some I do not care what sources I use for information,I will even scroll through rumour mill news, not because I believe a fraction of what is there but because there are sometimes little nuggets that are inserted (?) that give a rather different perspective on certain events. Such items force one to question the accepted narrative and in these latter days of spin that is no bad thing. I had the advantage of a career that took me to five continents and 40+ countries and much of the time this involved travel into the boonies. Inevitably this brought me to sights and events that others have to rely on reporters for. You see it first hand and inevitably it has an impact on you, especially sick children or children with missing limbs and not a hope in hell of obtaining prosthetics.

I do not care if a source of information comes from the extreme left or far right. If the content bears up to scrutiny and is at least supported in the main by other sources I will often accept the gist of what is being said.
In the case of the link I gave, it was the result of a brief internet search on African poverty and deprivation. What it had to say largely supported my own view. I do not necessarily support all the content blindly there may be one or two points I disagree with. However if linking to a site you have it in its entirety you cannot censor the odd phrase that does not fit with your perceptions. To generate the main thesis by myself would take too much time and too much space. That is why I use links. It seems too easy on this forum to go out and massacre the messenger because it then absolves you from reading the message.
I could discount much content of the New York Times or CNN if I went down that road.
    Sadly in this day and age there is no such beast as a provider of unbiased news. I suspect such an animal probably never existed, the author inevitably provides content tinted by his own perceptions that may be right or may be wrong. Today such content goes through further editing, massaging,censorship. Having been on the ground in places where events have happened my own view has an entirely different slant compared to that being reported by the MSM. Today the MSM and governments exert more control than perhaps most realize. This is something of a digression but calling someone a snowflake is small beer compared to be labelled racist for outlining what is essentially the truth. It seems the included warts do not sit well with some.
We are still faced with the fact that as yet no one has coined a replacement for shithole, Disfunctional hardly starts to describe it.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 18 - 05:53 PM

"I do not care" is not a defense, it is a failing.


Trump hotel had the words shit hole projected upon it.
Trump did call the White House a shit hole so he spends his time at MERDE LAGO to enjoy some holes.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 06:37 AM

A more pertinent area to pick on is why these countries are so dysfunctional. Many reasons, some historical. Some despotic, how Trumpish!

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Doing nothing puts you, on the spectrum, more towards the latter. Trump is firmly at that end.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:24 AM

"You are either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Quite right you are.
Now what do you propose to do about it? I presume you put yourself at the Trump end also.

It takes a zero skill set to make clever remarks. Proposing any sort of sensible solution is considerably more demanding.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:40 AM

"You are either part of the solution or part of the problem"

I'm not too keen on that one either.. too glib and simplistic..

..and just as hectoring & self rightiously antagonistic as..

" If you're not with us you're against us"

There are surely more positive and constructive ways of inspiring ordinary uninvolved folks to think intelligently about serious issues...???

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:38 AM

Censure, removal by 25th amendment, impeachment, prosecution.
These are the legal solutions. What do you have?
Vichy Republicans are obstructing these solutions. Could they possibly be waiting for martyr status for political advantage?

There is audio proof Trump has made multiple phone calls to brag about his shit hole comments being popular with his base.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:41 AM

Nice cartoon in this mornings paper shows Trump's "shitholes" with little flans placed over them next them reading "shithole" next to Trump with a similar flag over his own head
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 10:24 AM

Los Angeles Times:

"African immigrants are more educated than most - including people born in the U.S."

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html

So that settles that.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:35 PM

Not only Trump that has an unsavoury turn of phrase! :

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/29/politicians.swear.list/index.html


http://www.nbc12.com/story/19919569/top-profanity-in-potus-history

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:50 PM

That response is called a "so, what about.."
It changes the subject and works on people attracted to shiny objects.
RT and FOX loves using that one.

Newsmax and National Enquirer are also financed by Russia at its foundation.

You can even involve the NYT with 'what aboutism' techniques as you just did with CNN etc.

Are you a 'natural' or does RUSSIA PAY YOU ';^/

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:55 PM

Well you finally posted a construction I can understand. Your interpretation is batshit crazy of course But with your fixation on
supposed shortcomings of the President the result is hardly surprising.
I do believe you are using the same alleged "distraction bullshit" discussing Newsmax and the National Enquirer. I prefer RT. There I can get the news from the horses mouth. With CNN I fear much of the time it comes from the horses ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 06:04 PM

supposed shortcomings of the President

SUPPOSED shortcomings of President Shithole?

What goddamn universe do you inhabit, Inanes? Or are you simply an uneducated idiot like the POSOTUS?

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 07:16 PM

"Now I know how many holes it takes to fill The Albert Hall!"

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:38 PM

"I love RT"

I told you all he would.

btw
that's what happens when stuff goes over your head
I do not denigrate anyone who doesn't get it. It would not be fair.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:32 AM

I presume you put yourself at the Trump end also

It is amazing that some people can have a mindset that allows them to think being provocative is actually doing something and thus curiously divorces them, in their mind, from being tarred with their own brush. Despite their logic being clearly fallacious in the first place.

Life ain't binary - it has many spectra, as indicated, and interstitial positions therewith.

don't bother trying to wind me up, I just laugh at such desperately feeble attempts

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:37 AM

Try again in english mr red.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:07 AM

"Try again in english mr red."
Perfectly understandable to all other than idiots who would avoid what is being said Iaians
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:22 AM

Mr. Red, or is it Senator Red, life for Trump is clearly binary.

Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 08:44 AM

Has little jimmy popped up to contribute to the discussion. or simply shit stir as usual.