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BS: Foul Mouthed trump!

Donuel 23 Jan 18 - 12:12 PM
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Senoufou 23 Jan 18 - 05:50 AM
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Iains 23 Jan 18 - 04:14 AM
Senoufou 22 Jan 18 - 04:34 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 12:12 PM

Perhaps people like me accept that exploitation is a given regarding African poverty. Trump racism is the engineered justification to plunder and exploit.

The decision to feed the trolls is your own.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 09:34 AM

Senoufou I find all your contributions sensible.

I have found that it does not matter if you are talking to Kurd in Syria, or a Malaysian or Indonesian in the middle of Borneo, or anyone anywhere else. We are all the same and by far the greatest number share a very similar, if not identical outlook on life.

   One other fact that becomes ever more apparent on Mudcat is that propaganda has a stunning success rate. It would seem the more blatant the lie the broader the church it gathers. It would appear that anything on CNN or in the NYT is automatically given the status of holy writ on this forum. It is a strange religion they follow like little sheep, with never a thought given to quesioning the "accepted wisdom".   Very dangerous and they are all so convinced they are right.


Jim the guardian is so full of its own superiority and self importance that it lends itself to being sniped at.(and the reactions of those that regard it as a bible are just so predictable) I have no problem with the news items as such, that they report. I frequently have a severe problem with their selectivity and interpretation of events. Their editorials are frequently massaged by input from a socialist la la land.
I actually start my day looking at the mail, guardian and RT before I move on to other sites. The BBC I have largely given up on, and anything with a paywall will make zilch from me.

Question everything and believe nothing is a far more sensible approach in this day and age.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 05:50 AM

At the risk of boring everyone shitless, here's a nice list of all the Africans we know and what they're doing now:-

Kenyan - works on Fresh Produce department at Tesco
Tanzanian - has his own hairdressing business
Gambian - security guard
Nigerian - ditto
Zimbabwean - assistant in John Lewis' men's tailoring department and has now started his own business
Burkina Faso lady - checkout at Tesco
Ghanaian lady -    ditto
Malian - student at UEA
Congolese - two chaps, work in Bernard Matthews
Angolan - works in fresh fish department in Tesco

All these people have successfully made a new life here in UK and are contributing to society, working and paying taxes (apart from the student of course)
None of them have unpleasant habits, cause problems at work or refuse to integrate. They're all lovely people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 04:31 AM

" label it left or right and promptly condemn the content.
Pretty fair description of your own attitude to the Guardian - you have names for it and other publications you find unconfortable, do you not, begins with L, I seem to remember
As you say, "Stupidity comes in many forms." as does hypocrisy and dishonesty
Jim Caarroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 23 Jan 18 - 04:14 AM

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It doesn't matter if Little Noddy or the Tooth Fairy wrote the blooming article! We're considering, surely, its relevance"

AMEN to THAT!

There is/are a rather large number of posters here that look at the medium reporting, label it left or right and promptly condemn the content.
Stupidity comes in many forms.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 04:34 PM

It doesn't matter if Little Noddy or the Tooth Fairy wrote the blooming article! We're considering, surely, its relevance to Trump's remarks about 'shit holes' and whether African people are capable of taking up a new life in the West.

I can see from reading it that the person, whoever they are, has indeed spent a significant amount of time in Senegal, and what they describe rings true to me.

The gist is, can folk from such underprivileged, poverty-stricken and vastly alien cultures adapt and contribute to Western life?
And I say they can, and have done, in spite of Trump's apparent opinion that it would be like expecting a duck to play the violin.

I know only too well there are many awful aspects of basic African culture. FGM is appalling (most of my husband's female relatives have suffered this) and though banned now in theory, it still takes place in secret. Treatment of women and lack of women's rights is another stumbling block. Ignorance of health matters and poor educational standards are lamentable. Family obligations can be financially depleting. And so on...
But all the African people I know who have successfully emigrated to UK have made wonderful and commendable strides in understanding and embracing our fortunate existence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 04:17 PM

BEWARE

Polarizing disruptive fake news propaganda is at work. Operatives would want you to limit your focus to believe the controversy.

Will you let them? An article called American thinking has no thinking americans.

Earth to mudcatters, com'on man.
Ever use a smell test
or consider the source.
Weaponized polarizing social media is getting more refined but really...


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 03:34 PM

Greg I could not care less what else she may have authored. There is only one article under discussion and you clearly only wish to demonstrate your extreme bigotry yet again. You very clearly demonstrate you only wish to make a political point and have zero understanding of the subject matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 02:11 PM

Experience to back up my conclusions, Inanes? Physician, heal thyself dude.

Its not her account, Sen. Its her alt-right generated BS conclusions. As for Inanes, I'm sure he's capable of speaking for himself, even if apparently unwilling...


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 12:55 PM

His name is Iains not Inanes, don't be so rude and childish.

And how many times have you visited Senegal Greg? Or come to that, any West African country? I can say truthfully that I probably have more experience of life in Africa than anyone on Mudcat (except perhaps Mrrzy, who has lived in Abidjan, Cote d'Ivoire, and of course Iains) And I can state that the article describes accurately life in Senegal, more the rural areas than Dakar, where nowadays most folk have TV and even access to the internet. I've stayed in small villages in Casamance (Djouloulou, Kafontine, Abene for example) Ziguinchor (main town in Casamance) was more developed, but there was still terrible poverty to be seen there.

The writer was naturally very shocked at what she saw, and it can be hard at first to take in the things one encounters. I believe her account. Which parts do you question?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 12:45 PM

Greg you have first hand experience in the field to back up your sweeping statements I presume.
Do tell!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 12:00 PM

Absolutely, Inanes. And a good deal of that the content is shit and slanted, biased shit at that, a judgement supported in part by her past practice & other examples of her shoddy work.

Do read those other articles.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 11:09 AM

Greg you like many on here like to judge a book by it's cover.
It betrays a shallowness of thinking to my mind.

It is content that is crucial, not the who, what, when, where, why of the author.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 10:24 AM

Inanes, while it may contain a smattering of fact, the only real shit in your link is Karin McQuillan's article itself.

Have you checked out some of her other sterling productions in the "Amerikan Stinker", to whiot this amall sample:

*Note to NeverTrumps: Trump's Character Is Admirable,
*Racist Obama Caused Dems' Downfall, Not Hillary
*The Muslim Face of the New Democratic Party
*Why Dems Try to Break Black Hearts and Only Trump Can Fix It
*& etc, etc.

Please.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 09:55 AM

Senoufou. I am glad that you gave some input to my post. Although I have spent a lot of time in various parts of Africa I have always been shielded from the more "intricate" realities of life in villages. I have always seen it on the basis of passing through innumerable times rather than experiencing it first hand as you have.
There are positives as well as negatives, as you rightly point out, and
your statement on integration is absolutely correct." People transitioning from one culture to another are bound to find it hard at first. But given time, they do adapt."
      We may think our western way of life superior, but that does not mean that African society has nothing to teach us.
They can easily learn to live like us, not so many of us could learn to live like them. Our life style is also far,far less resilient than theirs. There but for fortune...............!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 08:24 AM

Iains, that account is fascinating and true, and one cannot deny it. I know Senegal extremely well, and have travelled all over the country, in small villages and in Dakar (the capital) Not all Senegalese are Muslim though. Most of the Serer tribe (Senegal and Gambia) are Roman Catholic for example. I have seen the terrible lack of hygiene standards all over West Africa. And the culture (as the informant points out) is completely different to ours in the developed countries.
It does shock one at first, I agree.

BUT - I disagree that 'these people' cannot adapt as immigrants. I know many Africans here in UK who have successfully made the transition and are now useful and worthy citizens. I could name people I know from Congo, Senegal, Gambia, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Kenya, Mali and of course my dear husband from Ivory Coast who are now British Citizens and work hard in their various areas of employment. They certainly don't defecate in the street!

It could also be pointed out that our much-revered 'civilised' culture has its drawbacks. No old person in Africa is left alone for days on end staring at the TV. Old people's 'homes' are unheard of. Women with young children help each other out and no mum is isolated at home
feeling lonely and overwhelmed. Sick or disabled folk are lovingly tended. One has respect for one's elders, and children are well-behaved and obedient.

People transitioning from one culture to another are bound to find it hard at first. But given time, they do adapt. This works both ways. I had to accustom myself to what I saw in Africa, but in time I decided that people are people, and all have potential for change and advancement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jan 18 - 05:32 AM

An interesting link that lays out some rather brutal facts. Some of the detail I have issues with, a part presents a reality some may find hard to accept.
I think the author's one year exposure a little short to come to such conclusions-However!
The article does highlight a cultural gulf between some African cultures and western ones. I believe other details could have been used to highlight these differences.
I emphasize again parts of the article I have issues with and I find some parts exaggerate and other parts reprehensible.

But it is one view from the trenches, so to speak. I would have liked to have found another link to support a less extreme view, or closer to my own thoughts.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 18 - 08:33 AM

Hundreds of thousands of women take to the streets against Trump
JUST IN TIME to make a few bob!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jan 18 - 06:49 AM

Yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 01:44 PM

Is the jury still out on whether he really seriously wanted to leave Europe at all...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 01:40 PM

In any case, the huge amount of shipping in the Channel would preclude the siting of a bridge. And imagine the closures during gales and storms. Chaos.
Wasn't it Boris who wanted a massive floating London Airport to be constructed in the Thames Estuary? He's totally bonkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 01:30 PM

then build a ridiculously expensive bridge to give better permanent travel access

You've got the Chunnel - what more do you need? Long as you make it only one way - headed East.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Senoufou
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 01:24 PM

Boris Johnson is as mad as a box of frogs. People used to find him amusing and rather endearing, but he's getting to be a blooming liability. Bridge indeed! What a clown!


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 01:16 PM

Hey.. let's all leave horrid EU domination and freedom of movement..
then build a ridiculously expensive bridge to give better permanent travel access, joining us together forever...!!!??????????????????????????...


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Raggytash
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 07:41 AM

Todays Guardian gives an article from the European perspective. I think a most telling paragraph which applies to some on this site is:

"Much like Donald Trump, the Brexiteers have proven themselves immune to information or insight that does not meet their emotional needs. This must be why they continue to hope and insist that in order to avoid this proliferation of new barriers to trade, the EU will relent and allow Britain to have its cake and eat it – to forget about the obligations of EU membership while continuing to enjoy its many advantages.

This simply will not happen"

The remainder of the article can be found here.
Link


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 07:20 AM

3 types of CEO's

delegator
hands on
chaos; charm and harm

Which is Trump?

Example: meet with bipartisan group, praise and agree with everyone.
Then on the next meeting blow up, intimidate and bully, setting everyone back on their heels.

Shut down the USA? Why not, he promised to do so last year.
It is worse than people think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: robomatic
Date: 19 Jan 18 - 02:08 AM

Might make more voters for Trump

Knee jerks are the wrong way to 'take a knee'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 12:08 PM


donald-trump-fire-and-fury-tv-series


With any luck, they can get Trump to play Trump- he's a past master at TV bullshit.

as for losing money, I would refer you to H. L. Memcken:

"No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby."


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 11:44 AM

"Has little jimmy popped up to contribute to the discussion. or simply shit stir as usual."
Mudcat's own Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jan 18 - 11:18 AM

whatever he has said or done, or says he has said or done, or we think he has said or done - our perception is about to be written in stone.

donald-trump-fire-and-fury-tv-series

And I would bet it won't loose money on the production. I would bet - but are there any takers on the wager?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: robomatic
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 08:52 PM

Trump is both a symptom and a diversion. Whether or not he himself is a racist is both doubtful and irrelevant.
What is more to the point is the enormous amount of time and energy spent on the issue which has taken the place of world affairs, world energy, world collapse, and world economy.
He is simply a gross national product.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:59 PM

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: gillymor
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 09:23 AM

You've got him pegged, Mr. Red.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 09:19 AM

haha a British trump wanna be. Some folks used to act like Napoleon.
Now its a cray cray donald


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 08:44 AM

Has little jimmy popped up to contribute to the discussion. or simply shit stir as usual.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 06:22 AM

Mr. Red, or is it Senator Red, life for Trump is clearly binary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 05:07 AM

"Try again in english mr red."
Perfectly understandable to all other than idiots who would avoid what is being said Iaians
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:37 AM

Try again in english mr red.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jan 18 - 04:32 AM

I presume you put yourself at the Trump end also

It is amazing that some people can have a mindset that allows them to think being provocative is actually doing something and thus curiously divorces them, in their mind, from being tarred with their own brush. Despite their logic being clearly fallacious in the first place.

Life ain't binary - it has many spectra, as indicated, and interstitial positions therewith.

don't bother trying to wind me up, I just laugh at such desperately feeble attempts


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:38 PM

"I love RT"

I told you all he would.

btw
that's what happens when stuff goes over your head
I do not denigrate anyone who doesn't get it. It would not be fair.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: robomatic
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 07:16 PM

"Now I know how many holes it takes to fill The Albert Hall!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 06:04 PM

supposed shortcomings of the President

SUPPOSED shortcomings of President Shithole?

What goddamn universe do you inhabit, Inanes? Or are you simply an uneducated idiot like the POSOTUS?


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 05:55 PM

Well you finally posted a construction I can understand. Your interpretation is batshit crazy of course But with your fixation on
supposed shortcomings of the President the result is hardly surprising.
I do believe you are using the same alleged "distraction bullshit" discussing Newsmax and the National Enquirer. I prefer RT. There I can get the news from the horses mouth. With CNN I fear much of the time it comes from the horses ass.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:50 PM

That response is called a "so, what about.."
It changes the subject and works on people attracted to shiny objects.
RT and FOX loves using that one.

Newsmax and National Enquirer are also financed by Russia at its foundation.

You can even involve the NYT with 'what aboutism' techniques as you just did with CNN etc.

Are you a 'natural' or does RUSSIA PAY YOU ';^/


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 04:35 PM

Not only Trump that has an unsavoury turn of phrase! :

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/29/politicians.swear.list/index.html


http://www.nbc12.com/story/19919569/top-profanity-in-potus-history


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Lighter
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 10:24 AM

Los Angeles Times:

"African immigrants are more educated than most - including people born in the U.S."

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html

So that settles that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:41 AM

Nice cartoon in this mornings paper shows Trump's "shitholes" with little flans placed over them next them reading "shithole" next to Trump with a similar flag over his own head
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 09:38 AM

Censure, removal by 25th amendment, impeachment, prosecution.
These are the legal solutions. What do you have?
Vichy Republicans are obstructing these solutions. Could they possibly be waiting for martyr status for political advantage?

There is audio proof Trump has made multiple phone calls to brag about his shit hole comments being popular with his base.


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:40 AM

"You are either part of the solution or part of the problem"

I'm not too keen on that one either.. too glib and simplistic..

..and just as hectoring & self rightiously antagonistic as..

" If you're not with us you're against us"

There are surely more positive and constructive ways of inspiring ordinary uninvolved folks to think intelligently about serious issues...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Foul Mouthed trump!
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jan 18 - 08:24 AM

"You are either part of the solution or part of the problem"
Quite right you are.
Now what do you propose to do about it? I presume you put yourself at the Trump end also.

It takes a zero skill set to make clever remarks. Proposing any sort of sensible solution is considerably more demanding.


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